Multiforce bit.ly/3Vd9Rlv Bibury 19-in-1 amzn.to/3BL0zXn Bibury 22-in-1(hammer) amzn.to/3hBbrA1 Flissa Multitool amzn.to/3Yzza4o ($10) Bit Extender Clone amzn.to/3HPjh3J Ratchet Attachment (long wait) amzn.to/3V2UL1X Leatherman Bit Kits amzn.to/3HGSRRL Leatherman Bit Extender amzn.to/3jeShR1 Leatherman Ratchet Driver amzn.to/3hFrtc3 Leatherman Wave amzn.to/3uXyfgq 0:00 Start 1:18 3 Reasons to get a Clone 3:11 Clone Walkthrough 10:57 New Bibury Clones 19:28 Clones are good for Leatherman Have a Multitool or EDC Question? Leave a comment and I may make a video on it! Website: maxlvledc.com Amazon Shop: amzn.to/3B5kJvr Instagram: bit.ly/3zndlKR Facebook: bit.ly/3ITwKWD Email: mle.collab@gmail.com (no links plz, wont click them) Maxlvledc is a channel dedicated to exploring the tools we carry every day. I will be discussing bags, flashlights, knives, multitools, pen, wallets, key organizers, pry tools, functional clothing, watches, electronics, and much more. Because I also love to modify these items, there will be videos on tools such as screwdrivers, pliers, scissor, wrenches, and power tools. I try to read every comment so pls feel free to ask any questions below! Thanks for stopping in! _______________________ Disclaimer I will use affiliate links whenever possible. Using these links allows me to continue to make content for this channel. Thanks so much for your help! #everydaycarry #edc #maxlvledc
One of the things that has bothered me the most about leatherman is that despite the high prices, 90% of their tools use 420hc including the top dogs like the p4, surge, and wave. I think 154cm should be the minimum standard for tools in this price range.
Yeah it’s strange that my surge wire cutters have in theory better steel than the blades. And did anyone else get their main blade really recurved ? Lol QC is amazing these days.
If you know someone who has a surface grinder just get the bits you need and grind them down to fit. Just make sure you take the same amount off each side so the tips stay in the center that's what I done
A great show on comparison mate. There is nothing wrong with clones/low end multitools. We just need to use it wisely & know its limitation. Bought a few less expensive multitools & take them apart at which later we customised to suit our needs, making it more functional & performs much better than Leatherman by far. Have a great festive season & hopefully to see more of your amazing mod/customisation work in the new year. Cheers mate.! Greetings from Australia.
I have been rocking a Diacamping DL1 for a few months, and I absolutely love it! The DL1 is the "upgraded" clone that has a large outside scissor in place of the file and an awl in place of the inside scissors. In my opinion it's got the best tool set possible (I only wish it had a micro bit driver and not the fixed micro flat driver...which I changed to a sim card tool), I'll take the DL1 over any wave any day.
I got a DL1 and its pretty damn poor. I think QC is a problem, I can barely open my knife and it doesnt want to lock, had to make it quite loose to even get movement and my scissors just refuse to work consistenly. If it was better quality it would be absolutely awesome.
I might need to try out the Signal/Wave clone it looks really interesting and worth a look. One of my favorite multi tool is actually a tool that was only sold at Menards which is a store mostly found in the Midwest. A couple of years ago Menards discontinued the tool and clearance the tool for a bit more than $10 so I bought a couple extra to have later.
I have a BUNCH of Leatherman tools. But the one I have been using and always seem to grab is the Flissa. I’m currently deer hunting and actually used it to skin out 2 deer and trim limbs away from stands. My friends are cracking up because I never do things half ass. In the past 3 weeks I have gone multi tool crazy.🤦🏻♂️😂😂
Great discussion! I’m a huge Leatherman fan and love the Wave platform! Over the last year, I have purchased 12 Wave clones. I’m lovin’ the two new models from Bi / Bury. Yes, I would love to see a regular blade on that new Bi / Bury! It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 12 months! I think it’s a huge wake up call for Leatherman to innovate! Leatherman should be leading the pack with a dozen different versions of the Wave! The real kick in the ass for Leatherman, was when the Multiforce was released with the 1/4 inch driver. Leatherman’s proprietary bits suck! Keep up the great work!
is the bi bury one your fav? I'm looking at the Daicamping DL10 which people say is like the surge or the Daicamping DL1 which is the same as the Flissa one shown.
I can’t wait till we get a clone of the Leatherman Crunch! Hopefully one of these companies crushes it! Might be a good name for the clone! Great video! I always look forward to all of your videos! 👍🏻🇺🇸
Was waiting for that last bibury review! really interesting clone design indeed. thank you for the video. I'm really surprised on how far and how cheap these clones are coming. I believe that in less than couple of years leatherman will be forced to innovate and revolutionize the multiool market just to keep up with the chinese clones. I wonder if any other leatherman model will expire its patent soon... (maybe the crunch?) I'm currently using a swiss+tech clone along with my wave +. I really appreciate the freedom it gives me to try new things and mods without worrying damaging the expensive wave. If I had to give a gift to a friend those clones would be a bang for the buck.
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This video has sent me down a rabbit hole of Leatherman Clones. I still have Leatherman and that is my favorite. But, oh man, i now have several others as well. And they are pretty good tools for 5he price. Thank you for this review.
Well, I bought a the B/Bury and also own a Victorinox Spirit X which is probably the nicest multitool you can buy. I also own an older Freestyle CX Leatherman which I love. BUT I have to say that the B/Bury seems like it can do everything the more expensive tools, especially the leathermans. The Victorinox are another level in my opinion as far as build, but the Leatherman's don't really feel that special in the hand in my opinion.
I bought the Walmart Multiforce last month and I couldn't close the multitool unless I pressed quite hard on it. I returned it. I've owned a Leatherman multitool since the 1990s.
Great video as usual. Can’t agree more on the concept that clones can indeed help improve originals. I myself have begun to get a few of the clones and they have been really good!
The first multi-tool I bought was a Gerber and I regretted not paying more to buy a Leatherman PST. I did my research, primarily on Amazon reviews, and I was happy with my next purchases except for the SOG I bought many years ago. Now I look at Leatherman tools and I think 'where is the value in these things?' When I buy something - and I get this from both of my parents - it pleases me the most when I get a quality product for a good price. You can't get that anymore from Victorinox and Leatherman. I very recently bought some SOG Powerlitres directly from SOG and the price had been reduced from $65 to $52 and SOG gave me another 10% discount on top of the already discounted price. That made each SOG Powerlitre about $47. Now the can opener is horrible on the Powerlitre and the scissors could be better but otherwise the SOG Powerlitre is a pretty good product and I got that product at a really really good price. That's how I see these Wave copies from China too (although you'll have to prove to me how reliable the hammer is and whether the ferrocium rod works on the Bibury). Although a lot of the features on that Bibury camping tool look like they were derived from the Leatherman Signal and Surge you have to hand it to the Chinese for putting it all together in an original way at a price that makes it look like a really good value. You're right Dom it's good the Chinese are competing directly with Leatherman and Ruike knives is competing directly with Victorinox. It seems like organized crime has taken over Leatherman and Victorinox. Thanks for the video but it would be nice if someone like Corporals Corner and/or Junkyard Fox 'take the Bibury camping tool through it's paces.' Best wishes.
main appeal of the og wave? the warranty. I just sent mine in warranty because after 5-6 years the main pivot worked itself loose and the wire cutter was not working anymore, they sent it back with new jaws and new blades + scissors, which I didn't even think would need replacing, no questions asked.
I got myself a Leatherman Wave Clone, it was the Daicamping DL12 (I think) from Aliexpress, shortly after placing the order I managed to acquire a Leatherman Wave Plus for an irresistible bargain price. Comparing them, the clone has two stand out features which for me personally are major wins, that's the outside accessible scissors and the 1/4" bit driver. The bit driver whilst not great, it's easy to solve the issues with a magnet. The quality of the materials and the fit and finish on the Leatherman completely out does the clone though. It just feels nicer and softer in the hand. I will likely modify the clone and remove the linear locks for the blades, so it becomes a UK legal carry, and perhaps use it as something to tinker with.
Sweet video! I never really had an appreciation for multi-tools until I came upon your channel. I’ve gotten at least weekly use out of the Gerber and Leatherman issued to me during my second and third deployments respectively and, until watching your videos, never thought much of them. Future video idea: best multi-tools to bring along on a trip to the range.
Multi-tools get lost/stolen too. I had a brand new > $100 Leatherman stolen that I bought & carried to be helpful to someone in a jam. Which I often encountered as I only get around town by walking & biking. That steered me away from mult-tools. A whole tool set vanished. The most important thing I've learned from former military personnel who do survival videos is don't have your life depend on ONE tool. The saying is "One of something is none of something." Proprietary lock-in is a big consideration. I think a bigger one than having a backup. I only begrudgingly go proprietary if there's a significant improvement in performance/functionality that I need.
I bought a Bibury 21-1 multi tool a while back(about 2 years ago), as it was getting decent reviews online. It's been an absolute workhorse, and it's still going strong for me. Really good quality, amazing price.
What I really want to know I'd if the tools on the clones are parts compatible with the wave. My large flat head is usually the first thing to go and while I can send it in for warranty, if I decided to mod some part of it, I wouldn't be able to. I'd also like the option for a t-shank and the third party t-shank or even a spare t-shank holder are more than the cost of one of these clones. Also, I'm personally a fan of the standard flat bit. Id love to put the flat but holder on other smaller multitools.
That was great . Really digging your attention to detail and possibility of combination. I'm on my 2nd wave and my oldest is on her first, the thing about the wire cutters is something I hadn't thought of,great stuff sir
Bought 2 of the Bibury 19-in-1. Both are smoother and heavier than the Surges I bought for 5 times the price. I lost 2 Leatherman's in the last 4 years so I paid 450 for 3 essentially. In the same time I would have spent 75 on 3 Biburys. Maybe the blades will wear out faster but probably not, but even if they do... ill buy another for 25 on Amazon or.... get this... SHARPEN IT... LOL. Goodbye Leatherman.
The economics of clones got even better this morning. The Wave+ went up $10, as did the Signal. I couldn’t tell if others went up, but I suspect at least some others did. The Bond is still $60. The Surge is still $140. Prices for accessories also went up - bit extender from 20 to 25, ratchet driver from 30 to 35, bit kit from 24 to 30.
I wonder if some US companies are going to start making their version of the wave. I'm hoping this patent expiration will be similar to the Benchmade axis lock patent expiration and we will see solid competitors.
I like the idea of getting a clone, to see if you will actually use the tool. Let's face it, if you get the inexpensive version of the tool, and you never take it out of your pocket; you wasted that money. Now, if you use it everyday, then maybe think about investing in a higher quality version. That's why clones CAN BE good.
Honestly, it should be a wake up call to Leatherman to innovate. The last time they truly innovated was for the Free series. Maybe they’ll build further on the Free series or come up with a whole new platform, but something eventually has to give
Both of these are now $29 right now. I don't recall it being that cheap before. But that's literally insane value. I ended up just buying the Leatherman Curl since I don't need a saw and would prefer a lighter tool. But good god, that's so crazy how close they are in cloning.
My complaint with more recent waves I’ve purchased is I keep snapping the pliers and other tools. The pliers at least seem to be made of some kind of powdered metal that is quite brittle…I would expect forged at this price range
Hate to break it to you but true inflation has been around 18% a year for a while now. Companies have to pull a lot of tricks to make it seem like our dollar isn’t almost worthless. The tool you think should cost $150 would actually go for ~$400.
I live in Aus & I only have Original Leatherman, love'em all, haven't come across any after market what we call leatherman that are so similar, the price & quality counts, enjoyed the vid 🍻😎😊
I've purchased a couple clones/knock-offs this year. I purchased an Alonefire S11 instead of the Rovyvon A5x, it's battery died after a year. One my son owned stopped working after 3 weeks. I purchased a knock-off Spyderco Delica. Good package opener, but I feel like it is going to break at the hinge if I try to even do something as simple as sharpening the end of a stick. All that to say, clones aren't always bad, but it does feel like a gamble with quality. Where clones thrive though, is they allow you to test-drive that type of tool to see if you really use it everyday. I used my S11 flashlight multiple times a day. I now know it wouldn't be a waste of my money to upgrade to the Rovyvon. The fake Spyderco let me learn that I disliked that blade shape and I later purchased a Victorinox pioneer x, which I enjoy way more.
Any chance you'd want to do a video on what Chinese manufacturers need to do to close the gap between them and American multitool makers vs what American multitool makers need to do to maintain or increase the gap? 🤔 Or maybe a speculation vid on the future of multitools? What would a mars colonist need in his pocket to get through the day to day? 😆
There is also the Maerd P6 with bonus the likes of spring loaded pliers, replaceable wire cutters, pocket clip and dolphin nosed scissors; a pretty good clone of the Wave and Wingman in one.
Can that bibury w/ the external scissors be modified into a single handle "knife?" Also do those scissors fit in the Multiforce considering they're likely from the same manufacturer?
Funny thing here is I purchased the Leatherman Rebar because I didn’t want to deal with non standard bits and I also found a craftsman mini ratchet that accepts 1/4” hex bits. Not perfect but a pretty good substitute. I was so close to buying the wave. But I also have a van full of tools if it gets too big or rough for what’s in my pocket. But these clones might be worth a good hard look. Especially with the bit extender.
Hey my driend ! you are a doctor multitool !! 👍🏻 i want to buy a leatherman bond for light and easy carry and think purchase other cheap multiforce or new bybury but... multiforce you say better sorry for my bad ingilsh 👊🏼👊🏼
I'm a huge fan of the wave, I have 2 of the originals that don't have replaceable wire cutters. Also the micra, which I was given as a gift at least 15 years ago and still carry daily, since my job doesn't allow any blades bigger than 2". I've had a variety of cheap knockoffs, all have sucked; to have cheap but non-garbage options is great to me. I'd like to see some Micra clones too! Most of the mini multi tools I've seen are utter trash.
Like your work mate! Just found you again a couple of days ago! Good thoughts budget tools! I have a surge and a wingman and a small SOG that I really like! I bought 2 different wave clones and use them quite a lot the last 6 months and they are really Good! But in total they not close to the quality of the original:)
So I have a Wave, and I've carried it on my belt for many years. My son, age 15, carry the Walmart clone, and it works well for him. He uses it to fix his equipment(he started his own landscaping business at age 14!) , and to help me out around the farm if I'm doing something I cannot get to mine fast enough.
I own a wave plus. I got a multiforce and frankly I think it is better. The wave is less fat because of the flat bits and the file is a little better. However, I hate the flat bits. The multiforce uses real bits and extensions, the blades are on the ends of the arms instead of the plier joints which is so much better, and the scissors are superior. Plus the price is lower. My Leatherman rebar has no equal yet to me. The old school two handed clamshell Leatherman tools are still where they excel IMHO. The competition is all over waves and signals though. My Leatherman skeletool got a lot of pocket time until I got a SOG Powerpint which is now my most often carried multitool.
It's so true. Not everyone have to start from hundred bucks zombie apocalypse adamantium multitool ;) I failed with my first clone but next one was absolute amazing. Great video !
Funny, nowadays while the outu which I own is a fun little knife. I don't have the buck 732 which I really wish to have. I do have my bivy clone which is probably one of the very best of the kind. And then there is that veltev, or at least the many clones of it. I ended up to get one, I not sure about my own blade sharpness. But the rest is pretty much it. I mean I got mine for 14$ approximatively
Ya those legs you refer too also have hands that walk away with more than just your leatherman. Especially if you leave it close to your wallet and your watch and goes by the name of mahoney
I feel like at the price point of leatherman tools, they should absolutely come with a lifetime warranty that includes the bits. I have shopped the leatherman products several times and every time I have, I talked myself out of buying because they are ridiculously expensive.
Have you seen the Swiss Tech multi tool like these? Its all black with red pivot collars. I've only found it on Walmart online and eBay. They also made one similar the the sog baton.
Nextool Flagship Captain came out recently. Looks like a compelling Leatherman Surge clone. Even looks to use the Leatherman flat bits. Would be a good one to add to the clone reviews.
Swiss+Tech has a decent clone, I have 3 Bibury varients and keep them in different bags. Leather man are too expensive for the amount of use I put them too.
Tim Leatherman was a fool to increase the prices of his multitools, also foolish in not renewing the patent on his Wave because that multitool was his company's greatest seller. So I am not surprised these clones have entered the market. My collection of SAKs is pretty big now including a Ranger Grip 79, but I still have the Leatherman Wave and Surge, though over the years I modified them to suit my bushcrafting hobby whenever we go on vacation. You did a fair review. Still, I distrust clones because they cannot be entirely relied on, but many people have a limited amounts of money to afford the real McCoy.
If you can't afford to lose it you can't afford to use it. I'd rather carry a tool that isn't such a big loss when I eventually leave it somewhere or it wanders off of its own accord.
I agree..I think I made a point NOT to say they were better overall. Sometimes have better ideas..better design..but I'd rather have a leatherman or vic on my hip.
If the patent on the Wave has run its course, are the flat bits out of time as well? If a tool company like Wiha could release properly hardened bits that fit the Leatherman drivers and have them individually available, they'd make a killing. If Leatherman has no interest in fixing the issue... Leatherman at this point just seem content to make money exploiting the faith and goodwill they've built up over the years by actually providing good tools at a good value for money, gouging customers for everything they're worth now days.
I’ve been looking through your old videos and I just can’t find the one were you show the magnets you put into a ball detent bit holder to make it accept normal bits. I even looked on your Amazon shop and couldn’t find it. If you can either link the video or the magnets I would really appreciate it.
Hopefully someone at Leatherman isn't asleep at the wheel and sees that the Chinese cutting and pasting different parts into multitools that cost 1/3rd the price are going to eventually make something impressive that steals significant market share from Leatherman just from the law of averages. 😆
Wish Leatherman would up their hardness or tool steel on bit kits.......too soft....Maybe a destruction test on the bits to get Leatherman to up the quality......Also...Does anyone make Allen head bits to fit the drivers?
i dont know if i get this correct but .. leatherman is us made wich i think is good to support the few companys that keeps jobs in us or any other country than china ? also yeah you pay "double" price for an leatherman but you can also go to ANY sport/tool store in the WORLD wich sells leatherman products and get super good warranty help for free ? only for 25years that is ? thats worth the double price for me
Good point.. most of the importatn things about tool is durability and reliability, so Leatherman has own that. BUT It is overkill for most of people(incl me) even in pros! If someone break out multitools and need repair and also requires warranty for that, I think it is wrong. You shouldn't do that such high stress work on multitools.
@@MJSeo13 yeah agreed if you use a leatherman correctly it should last a LONG time . i have one for edc at home and one for edc at work . the work one gets used in the wrong way ALOT because i have to . the reason i buy what i can with decent quality and long lasting warranty is simply because if a company gives you 25years warrant it oftens says something about their trust in the product. not always but mostly
@@sebastianhettervik4579 Right. For right use on the most jobs can't beat'em Leatherman's. That is why i love my Surge, and also hate'em.. It's kind of hard to get backup's(Like EDC, Camping or my BOB) because due to the high value of exchange rate, it's too expensive even in korea(Wave costs around 160$ in kr), That's why these 'clones' are appealing to me. But besides for the money, Leatherman is indeed the best. As you mentioned Long Warranty means quality of prouduct is awesome.
I just got my new shall 18 in 1 multi tool and it’s ten times more better The my leather men And here’s why 1 There is actually a spot were I can actually slide the tool out of its spot with out haveing to use something like a butter knife or screw driver 2 The fact that I can use other screw driver bits rather then the one flat head bit that came with my leather men 3 When I got my leather men I could not even cut a zip tie I even tryed to get a replacement pair to see if that would fix the problem but no it did not but with these one cut and the zip tie was gone aka it flew away were as my leather men would just love it would just hang there like a fucking hang nail unless you took the cut piece off by hand
I don't know I have litle Squirt PS4 and pay it 55€ and its good . But it's my last Leatherman. After buying Victorinox Spirit mx its so so good and tool is usabe ,hard and beutiful .Also now moly shit is si tin and I have clip but I like to cary wit sheat in packet cos its thin ,and in sumer I will car it on clip. But Squirt ps4 is Litle beast. I realy like that tool .And its unbelievable strong.
Will i be able to use a normal 1/4 hex #2 phillips bit in the clone bit driver? Standard bits would be shorter than that longer double sided bit given with the tool
Of the clones you showcased which one do you like the best? You and others Ytubers have talked about the OZ Multiforce quite a bit. I had never heard of the Flissa before and the reviews on Amazon are only OK. I had seen one or two Bibury tools, but not the ones you showcased. Assuming I'm not going to start collecting all the clones and just want one, which one would you recommend? Or should I save up and get an actual Wave if this is probably going to be my only multitool? Thanks for the video!
@@maxlvledc Thanks for the follow-up. I think I'll swing by Wally World and pick one up. Looking forward to more great content next year. Happy Holidays!
This is kind of unrelated to the video but every time I see the Leatherman ratcheting extender attachment I always wonder if it works with the Steelman 10 in one screwdriver.
