It breaks my heart watching this because it reminds me of the game I fell in love with as a Bairn that has now been destroyed just as society has also, this is how I remember it passion,mud and tough hard characters not only on the pitch but in the crowd as well,everything the modern game is not
What a game between two legendary teams. The champions of the previous two seasons. Excellent atmosphere, tremendous goals, and a superb punch-up between Hunter and Lee. I'm sure they ended up the best of friends.
@@MrTotalluck Leeds won the title in 73/74 and Derby won it in 74/75 (and 71/72) and this match on 01/11/1975 is from the 75/76 season where Liverpool were the champions.
@@alancawfield6549 youre right. Since It was a game from 1975, I assumed It was the 74/75 season. But Since It was November It was from the following season
Actually hearing Hunter speaking about it decades later I felt it was still not that friendly between them. Why it kicked off we don't know but Lee had his tantrums quite often.
After leaving Leeds Utd and joining Bristol City, Norman Hunter was my next door neighbour for a while. As a football mad kid, we had some great chats 'over the back fence' and he related some funny stories. A proper footballing warrior!!
about 3 years ago I stopped at traffic lights in North Leeds an old guy slowly crossed the road it was Norman hunter toot on the horn and a wave back from him made my day
Hunter looks terrified in round two... retreating like an Italian tank in top gear... I remember watching this on MOTD when I was eleven. The scrap was sensational even then.
@@martinputt6421 Is it really...the same thing. Run by the Football League without all the money, hype, media circus etc etc. Not the same at all other than it being the top tier of English football.
@@martinputt6421 Barclays sponsorship of the PL ended in 2015-16. There has been no sponsor since then. I would suggest you do some reading around the creation of the PL, it's financial structure and the motivation behind clubs desire to breakaway from the Football League. As a corporate entity it is not the same product as the old Division One. Plus if you read the other comments you will see most agree with me. I guess you're a lot younger than me.
As a linguist I was curious about the etymology of 'hard lines' and it appears to be several centuries old and to refer to having the bad luck of being on the front line in fierce combat or else handling frozen ropes on a ship. Unusual too the use of second person supporter-like commentator to protagonist dialogue, you don't often hear 'Nice bit of dribbling, Best' 'Good try, my son' or 'You'll be very disappointed about that, won't you, David [Seamen]?' on MOTD. Interestingly, 'nish' means 'nothing' in Northern English dialect, originating from 'nichts' in German or 'nisht' (no, not) in Yiddish, so may be an oblique reference by Motson to 'nothing doing on this particular occasion' - i.e hitting the bar - rather than addressing the Derby player by name. I'll get my coat.
a proper game of footy - the enmity between these two at the time, stemming from the Clough/Revie scenario, was incredible. Good to see old City favourite Franny Lee diving his socks off and winning a penalty!
Yes, anyone who says diving on a football pitch is a modern thing should look at the footage of the Lee dive. It was up there with the efforts of Tom Daley!!!!!
Wonderful watching this again. I was at that match (being a Rams supporter) and when Davies scored that winning goal there was a roar and cheer from the crowd that must have been heard in Leeds. The Leeds team at that time played hard uncompromising football and If they where playing today all of them would probably get sent off in the first 5 minutes of the match.
As a Frenchman I totally agree with the previous messages. When British football belonged to the Brits and not Yankee, Thai, Russian or Saudi club owners.
Roger Davis (Derby) & David Fairclough (Liverpool) were both match-changing super-subs of the era. Oh, the memories of the 1970s when I was just a seven year-old Black boy at the Clock End, Highbury Stadium...and watching the Big Match every Sunday with Brian Moore.
@@SEBKAL Absolutely👍.More passion,conviction,skill,technique and of course Fight! .Unlike this phoney,expensive,hyped BS we're seeing now in this so called "Modern game"..Which we all know is a right load of "bollocks"!
Motty as observant as ever ! The 2 players are CLEARLY walking towards the tunnel and he says " they MAY have been sent off!" followed by an almighty scrap so then he says " I'm sure that must have been sent off THIS time!"... You don't say John !!!! lol Why 43 years later did I love this era? British players on real pitches giving 110% and loving THEIR Clubs and being able to choose to stand and right near the pitch...HALCYON DAYS...
Slightly off topic. I watched Chelsea play Spurs in the early 70s at Stamford Bridge. Peter Osgood and Mike England had a brutal battle that day but at 7pm that night they were together drinking each other's health in the King's Road pub I used then.
Tremenda película la de Bryan Clough un verdadero genio.. investigue sobre su vida y especialmente sus frases...fue impresionante lo que hizo en el Derby County y después en el Nottingham Forest FC...saludos de un admirador del fútbol Inglés desde 🇨🇱
@@elmexingles exacto he leído varios reportajes sobre el, el tipo practicaba el juego limpio y se lo inculcaba a sus jugadores en los 70 el Leeds sentó supremacía en el fútbol inglés y su fútbol era bastante rudo (es cosa de ver todas las peleas que provocaban Gilles, Bremner y cía) cuando Clough asumió en el Leeds (no duró más de uno o dos meses) les dijo "voten todas las medallas que han ganado, porque no lo han hecho en buena ley" jajaja un capo pero se hecho el camarín entero encima...
I think it 's the football we have lost for ever it 's the best we could ever see by the way in whole life I never ever saw someone flying in the air as Cherry did may be only Pele and Michael Jordan ,great football
In 1989 the Football League chose the best 100 players who had played for their centenary year. They roughly chose ten from each decade from 1889 - so it was tough to get in. Yet, Norman Hunter made that 100. That's because there was much more to his game than the physical side. He was almost as good a passer than Bobby Moore, for example. Also, Hunter was the first PFA player of the year in 1974. So he must have had something extra.
Derby County were champions twice in the 70s, Leeds were an immense team, Liverpool were hugely successful - there were great footballers spread throughout the whole of the old First Division - so how the hell was the England team at the time so disastrous?
Because you had to many Scottish players and to a lesser extent irish and welsh now your teams are crammed full of foreigners Scotland tried it and fucked up big time but know gradually we are trying to bring through our own again because we dont have skys big money in twenty years time i do see our national team thriving and England you will still be wondering why you cannot compete with the Spains and Germanys
A VERY good point. I hate to say it but ever mind England, the Scotland team nowadays is a joke, all because of this foreigner policy. And so I think it'll be a very long time yet before we (Scotland) qualify for either the World Cup or Euro Championships again.
Because english best players were ordinary if compared to the germans, italians, dutch, etc. And if compared to South American players the gap was even bigger. I lived on England in the 70's and i could notice this: their top players could not even make the medium/big teams of Argentina and Brasil. Then, when England made it to the WC finals, or even Euros, they got massacred every time
mkrbrtsn 1 "A great decade for English Football " ? Ha bloody ha ! There was an appalling amount of violence, vandalism, racism (throwing bananas at black players) crumbling death trap old Stadiums with filthy facilities & rotten pitches, women & children scared to go to matches, bomb scares, & England twice not even qualifying for the World Cup!! (Germany & Argentina) Yeah a real 'Golden Age' for English Football ! Were you actually even there?! You should ditch your rose tinted glasses & get yourself down to Specsavers !!
Hunter tried to cripple someone every week.As I said in the post Hunter was a nasty ,underhanded little shit.Franny did not punch someone every week : that scumbag Hunter kicked and tried to put someone out of the game,every week.It was a symptom of the footballing rationale I.e. win at all cost.No skullduggery was off the table.Even the FA warned Leeds about their conduct.
@@djangorheinhardt ..glad I'm not the only one who thought hunter had little talent and was just a dirty bastard..so over rated and makes me cringe when th plaudits were coming out after his death..that whole Leeds including revie in the 70s were just dirty gits!!👊👊👹
@@mickfoskett6629 Get a grip. Is this the first match you've seen from this era ?? Hunter was a great footballer, and all teams had enforcers. Francis Lee was just a cheat, and was reviled back then.
His grandson, Chris 'The Wardrobe' Martin, now plays at Derby. He's also been known to go down relatively easily on the odd occasion... (not really his grandson, for those who might just actually be wondering...😄👍🐑🐑🐑)
This is what I watched as a kid with my father at saturday night, with a Finnish commentary. We Finns take a sauna at Saturdays, which is a relaxing steam bath, in case somebody finds it somehow exotic. So, relaxed, steaming warm and pure, I sat at or by the sofa, with my after-sauna lemonade, father sat down in his spot on the sofa and poured himself a pint. I was usually first on my spot, cause I coudn't wait. Father came always a bit after the broadcast had started. Didn't understand it then, but I guess he came spot on whe he heard the whistle blow. Never in the world would I imagine sitting on the father's spot on the sofa - it was like messing the thrown up. Once I spilled his beer a bit cause I wanted to play. Got away with a serious talk. And quick feet for starters. Grabbed by hair was the typical serious case. Spanked I got only if I had hurt my baby sister. Never happened a hair pull or spanking in the football evening though. Those games were something I wouldn't miss even for an opportunity to torture my sister. My learned her way in the world - grew bigger than me. I don't torture her anymore as an adult. Exceet with my stories, occasionally. The game started. I could almost smell the grass (probably had played earlier in the day). Probably wore my Pele shirt quite often in the game night. Or then the bathrobe, or how do you call it - saunarobe for us Finns at home talk. Basically it's then exactly the same as bathrobe. The commentators voice calmed me down with his professionality, and with the exceptation of something grand -exceptation in his voice, and exceptation in the singing audience. And I wasn't disappointed, even if it was 0-0. It was a full experience, my Saturday night goodnight story. The singing English football crowd still takes me to my Finnish childhood 70's. Globalization taking its baby steps.
@@delanodegenie6970 Childhood reminiscence, why get so negative about that? If it looks too long, you can always skip without noise. It's not like it's away from you if someone wrotes something you don't have time to read.
@@delanodegenie6970 What was so odd there? The love of football (which is what it was about, from a little boy's view). Or was it the sauna. That's a version of bath, btw. Or Finns may be odd simply because the cukture is not Indo-European. Though Finns have existed longer than the country called England :)
Yes, I fear VAR will decide a relegation battle, either this season, or in seasons to come. I dare not imagine the financial implications for the club involved :(
@@geoffjohnson2152 1978 is still be part of the 70's era. I never stated that Ardiles made his debut in 1975. I did not agree with the guy who claimed that all 70's players had British names. It was simply untrue. Thank you for being polite.
@@weemalle1770 I think most of the players(probably 95%)were British. Ever since the "Bosman"ruling by the EURO Court of human rights in 95? whatever,which was necessary for the players to have proper workers rights. But unfortunately ever since then,the "Pendulum"has swung completely in the opposite direction and now we're left with players(and certainly an influx of foreign Mercenaries)who dont give a f##k about the teams,fans and country they're living in.It's just an "means to an end" So that was the start of this issue and then the commercialisation of the game,the "EPL, contract between BT/SKY,one of the largest sports deal in the world..mucho€£$$ (making it less Physical and less competitive).So that's why people look back at these games with fondness.
From the days when football was worth watching. England was a wonderful country back then. The days when it was Englaish , Scottish , Welsh and Irish guys on the pitch. Great players . They try to tell you football has moved on , yes well it did , in the wrong direction. Money destroyed football
The difference is, back then Lee and Rodney Marsh were the exceptions, not the rule. That's why everyone remembers them diving...nowadays it has become the rule...they ALL do it! :-/
@@Nuttybott And to be fair, Leeds deserved that back then. They had a reputation for professional fouls on players with clear goal-scoring opportunities and that was something that could only be given a booking until 1982 when Jimmy Hill had the rules changed. Leeds would always get in a well timed foul to block a striker when their mainly talentless (outside that of hacking legs) defence had inevitably screwed up. Seems to me Lee was just giving Dirty Leeds and their complete **** of a manager a bit of their own medicine.
Motson was a truly awful commentator. Never had a clue what was happening. Was like listening to a Dementia sufferer screaming in your ear for the whole match.
Those boots were heavy but lasted ages as you had to break the leather down with dubbin. Strikers rarely missed the target then..keepers had to make the save or it was in.There was more talent in this one match than in two PL teams now. Colin Todd&David Nish had real swagger.I'm Spurs so we love flair players.
If anybody ever asks me "Who's the best player never to play for England?" it's always going to be Duncan McKenzie. The bloke could jump over a mini for Chrissakes!
I'm so lucky to have been brought up during this era. This was first division football and the working-man's game. When you could be shopping with the wife on Saturday and decide to shoot to the match.
Iremember watching this on match of the day when i was 15. The ironic thing is Francis lee had a longer ban than Norman Hunter. Much better than the premier league of today which is filled with average foreign players and sub standard coaches. No passing for the sake of it . Its a crime today to pass the ball long.
Gary if you look for lufc films and the episode storming norman, it shows you the background to this incident with fat franny. In fact hunter didn't get anything no ban not even a fine. Lee was seen as the aggressor and got six weeks ban!!! Unbelievable, can you imagine what would have happened today. Six months each a very big fine lol
This was the beginning of the end for both clubs Liverpool and notts forest dominants started the following years.what a team Derby county to win the league twice and Leeds united robbed of the 1975 European cup. after Peter Lorimer good goal ruled out.
What a match, what a fantastic goal from big Roger. I was lucky enough to be in the Popside that day. Brian Clough built the side but Dave Mackay got them playing some scintillating football.
@@gfoot9916 I call BS and Peter Turley is spot on. Players are coached to death these days, nothing will change the fact that football is all about who WANTS it more, and who plays as a team. There are exceptions (norwich 1993, every Serie A team in the 80s, spain 2010, maybe Man City now, but they can still play without boring the hell out of everyone) but France didn't do "chess" in 2018, nor did Leicester, nor did Real Madrid after they got CL title #13. Those teams played FOOTBALL. End of. And that applies to a vast majority of title winning teams.
@@tamhaswoods9056 Playing as a team means having a coherent strategy though. England didn't win in 1966 by inaccurately passing the ball around like a headless chicken as pretty much every England team between Alf Ramsey and Southgate has, with maybe some exceptions under Robson and Venables.
Lee hung his left leg out and dived. It angered Hunter and after numerous verbals Hunter punched him. Lee was sent off for being punched. As they're walking off Lee thinks I may as well hit if that's what I've been sent off for. strange thing was they were good friends and England room mates. This was when football was a tough game from 1 to 11.
Delighted Norman gave Lee a smack. Clear dive for the penalty - Lee was a professional cheat who'd conned referees into giving penalties by diving for years, same when he was at Man City. He had it coming.
