The tree falling question isn't philosophical, it's linguistic. If a tree is falling somewhere and there's no one around to hear it, it would create pressure waves in the air, but no auditory experience in the brain. If you define "sound" to be the former, it makes a sound, if it's the latter, it does not. This question builds on English using the same word for both, not on any philosophical debate.
Describing the circumstances which give rise to the question is a linguistic affair, but any meaningful* proposal for selecting a specific answer is philosophical. * "[x] is the answer because that's what I understand sound to mean" is immediately circular, so not meaningful - when you start exploring _why_ that's "what sound means" you are going into philosophy
What…who defines sound like that?!? (second way) (especially for as long as that saying has been around) Also note that a tree falling would presumably be heard by someone who was around: not just any old air pressure waves.
@@MadaraUchihaSecondRikudo Maybe, but you can explore how we talk about things with linguistics then it gets philosophical when you start proposing how we could or should talk about things. Arguably, linguistics is a branch of philosophy anyway. For that matter, the various sciences were once called "natural philosophy" until they developed enough to form distinct identities like "physics" and "biology". Of course, whether the well-defined subjects are still philosophy or have descended out of philosophy is debatable. Philosophically.
A communication error occurred. Oof, I felt that one. That's something you don't want to see playing an MMORPG such as FFXIV, so I genuinely felt your pain when you saw that.
For a moment, I thought he played my 1-1 Bean Burrito level from years ago. I had the clear condition be to kill all Goombas, the flag was replaced with a door, the door still went to the beginning, and munchers on tracks with block-covered bomb-ombs led to an On-Off to open the ending past the door. Oh, and the timer had less than 10 seconds remaining when I cleared it.
Love your videos! I can’t catch your streams too often so I don’t donate there. You never fail to make me laugh. I really appreciate your content. Keep it up!
“Wow, you worked at NASA and gave it up to help teach young kids minds to help everyone in the future, thats amazing! Surely they must pay you living wage for something so important and helpful to society?” “You’d think that. Anyways, Your pizza is 11$”
"If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" When a tree falls, the motion disturbs the air and sends off air waves. This physical phenomenon, which can be measured by instruments other than our ears, exists regardless of human perception (seeing or hearing) of it. So, the answer is yes. Just because there is no one in the forest to hear the sound does not mean that the sound did not take place. If once places a tape recorder in the forest, then later plays the recording after a tree fell, then we know that the sound occurred. You don't have to ponder it anymore lol
The question isn't whether or not it occurred but instead whether or not the vibration traveling through the air is "sound" if it's not perceived. It's a matter of cognition, not physics
@@M_Alexander and that was already answered in my comment. Yes, it is a matter of physics. Everything in the natural world is. And the matter is if it occurred. That's literally what the question asks: "Does it make a sound?" The answer is yes. Sound waves are produced regardless of who is there. Just because it's a philosophical question, that doesn't make it a good one. Just like the equally dumb "Chicken or egg" question.
@@M_Alexander It's a sound. Before life was populated on every coordinate on the planet: lightning, rain, hail, tornadoes, wind, rockslides, dripstone dripping water, waves coming to shore, trees falling, branches snapping, underwater bubbles; all of them made a sound. Yes, it could be a vibration in the air. Regardless, the sound was still made.
@@SunstriderGames-cx7vr no it's... it's like the difference between electromagnetic energy and the color orange. There's no physical law of orange or blue or music or art. It's like arguing the semantics of "I think therefore I am"
@@M_Alexander Alright, you stay with your delusion. I'll stick with my facts. Oh, and when you die. Be sure to ask God the question. So, he can tell you "Yes".
@@M_Alexander Well I don’t think color is as arguable as sound, the meanings of the words and the characteristics of the phenomena are a little different A color in itself is just…a color. But i still say that a sound is pretty much only in the hearable range.
"Non believers looking pretty scared right n.." *dies* No, Dave, we are never scared because we know you are going to die the moment you try to say something like that. 🤣
I have seen Detective Pikachu, and despite not really being a Pokémon person, I quite enjoyed it. I think my favorite part was when they interviewed Mr. Mime.
Indeed! I played _Blue Version_ between my Super Game Boy and original Game Boy, and watched just a little of the anime. That movie was *excellent.* I was *shocked* when Dave's loss for words turned into "not great." Beauty, eye of the beholder, all that...
10:48 I know that exact feeling Dave, I once played a level that required you to speedrun through a SMW castle for 500 seconds, and you'd touch the axe on the very last frame if you ran the whole level at full speed. After a few tries I beat the level only to find out that its creator had taken it down while I was playing it. I really wish the game had a way of still allowing you to see whose level you played even if it was deleted, I would have gone into ALL of his levels and Booed them. Deleting newly made levels just to waste players' time is a huge dick move anyhow, Nintendo should have done something to prevent trolling players like this. For instance, not allowing deletions within the first hour or so of uploading (if the level is deleted later, at least most players wouldn't notice then) or penalize creators who repeatedly delete new levels.
Sound is defined as mechanical compression waves created by movement of matter through air. It doesn't require someone or something to actually hear/detect it.
I never comment that often on Dave's videos but I gotta give a shoutout to the maker of the first level - IT WAS BRILLIANT! Makes me (almost) wanna play MM2 again NGL!
18:15 According to the double slit experiment and quantum physics, science actually suggests that if absolute nothing is there to observe a tree falling then no, it doesn’t make a sound. And the tree actually only exists as math and data sitting in the background. The tree itself hasn’t actually even fallen until someone is there to observe it when all of the wave functions collapse into particles and decide that the tree has indeed fallen.
The answer to the philosophical question is that it's truly unknowable. Kinda like Schrödinger's cat. The point is that we as humans have to make assumptions for things we don't know. But the fact of the matter is, we don't know everything. If no one is there to hear the sound (or no one can physically see the cat), then ANYTHING known, unknown or currently inconceivable could've happened to prevent what we assume is the obvious outcome.
Anyone who says MM2 is a dead game just hasn’t watched enough DGR’s Stream. I have seen some crazy and fun stuff on levels and DGR plays them as a gentleman and scholar. Love your videos and proud supporter!!
If a tree falls in the forest, and: person A is there to hear it and person B is not there: we know it made a sound since person A heard it; and if person B knows that person A heard it, they can agree* that it was a sound since it was heard by person A(like we just did); and if person A is there, nothing would be different to person B than if person A wasn’t there. Thus, it would have still made a sound. *ignoring the dimension of belief or disbelief, or if you insist that the meaning of sound is just a perception Okay maybe that’s not the best logic but… 😅 So it turns out the famous philosophical saying is just a game to find out if people have a stupid definition of sound? 😅
Dave talks a lot = Dave fails a lot, like always! XD Poor Chris had to edit overtime, due to Dave's clumsiness! I hope that he won't forget to pay his employee(s?), cuz he surely(not Shirley) forgets a lot of parts of levels he already went past :O
17:38 The answer, at least in my opinion, depends on what you consider to be "making a sound". If you believe that it consists simply of the generation of pressure waves in the air that could be conceivably perceived as sound, then yes, it does. If, however, you believe that said waves require someone to actively perceive them in order to qualify as sound, then no, it doesn't. Or if, perchance, you believe that sound is an aspect of a transient world and is therefore ultimately meaningless, then the answer is flarglebargle. So in truth, the answer is whatever you want it to be.
Lol the 1-1 “Bean Burrito” level is kinda like one of my levels, mine is called “1-1 x34” and is the same thing except instead of 20 laps, u gotta do 34 laps. And also the pipes work because otherwise it wouldn’t be possible
To answer if a tree falls in the woods and no one is a round to hear it will it still make a sound: A sound will be felt by something, so it will hear it via the senses. So yes due to how reverb will travel and energy will continue someone will feel it much like how the eardrum will sense sound. So yes even if no one is a round to "hear" it, they will feel the sound the same way the skin of the eardrum detects and the body interprets the pressure of the wave and by the brain interpret change and tonal pressure. Granted there will be bacterium around or animals and sound will carry as reverberation and various frequencies can travel for super long distances especially when something is microscopic.
My old physics teacher was a man named Ken. I mention this because im pretty sure we're both in Oregon, and im from a rural town. His last name started with an M. Maybe the same person?
18:00 a blind person turns on a light in a room. Did the light actually turn on because the person is blind? A tree falls and the only person around is deaf. Did the tree make noise?
A) Trees can Hear, so the entire question of "If a Tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?" is a Moot question, because its a Forest, there are other trees to hear it.... B) Sound is a form of kinetic energy that causes vibrations through the atoms of some medium, so if there's a Medium (Air, Dirt, Water, etc) then it will Still make a sound.... That's why there's no sound in space, there's no medium to carry the kinetic energy through.
Yes it makes a sound. Laws of physics mean there is no other option. We don't hear a lot of things doesn't mean they make no sound. Stuff does not stop existing just because it is not observed. This is object permanence level 2. It does not need to be heard. It makes a sound but you do not experience sound. It makes about as much sense to me as asking if a tornado blew wind and no one was around to feel it did it really move any air? Of course it did.
