Try it at 24v and the wirefeed to suit, you wont have issue with your side to side fusion, plus or minus depending on wire size and material thickness. also run stringers, the size will happen on its own. it freezes fast you risk inclusions if weaving. Helps big time to 'set' the size of your weld by doing a quick left to right sweep at the start to build a shelf and it will freeze fast, just stay steady let it build on its own after that (works with dual shield too). Most important with gasless wire is maintain the required stickout or you WILL have porosity of some sort. T11 is another nice wire to try too, similar application and from my own experience faster than this. and another thing if this guy had to look up specs to see how to run it then i wouldnt say hes qualified to tell anyone how to use it. this isnt an exotic wire its very common. he keeps saying its a slow process, well the point of wire is for welding to happen faster so he isnt using it to its potential here. also that wire isnt digging the way it ought to be he needs to turn everything up. gasless wires like to freeze up quick dont be afraid that it will fall out on you because it wont. wear leather sleeves at a minimum, and a quality canvas welding cap when running gasless wire. lots of errant spatter to ruin your day. real thick gloves leave the mig gloves at home.
@@davidseanmacdonald1470definitely, one machine might have longer cables than the next, or corroded cables and connections, I was using a machine that was having a total loss of 10 Volts, had to set my voltage to 33 volts, but was getting 22 volts at 210 on the WFS welding vertical up. And when you explain this to superiors, they don’t understand and are wondering why you are going through so much quick connects! They end up not understanding the relationship with resistance in a constant voltage set up. It’s not a problem so much with stick on CC but very much a problem with CV wires.
Stuff is very good for UTs. Used it on base plate extentions and alot of structural reinforcements at a potash mine. They were up to 3.5" thick plates and we ran the Lincoln NR 232 .072 wire we had it under strict parameters to maintain the seismic characteristics. We had inspectors checking the amperage we were putting out while welding and at 25 volts with 350ipm we were blasting 400 amps through the wire. It was crazy how much it penetrated and deposited. Was like riding a tidal wave of metal. And didnt fail a singal UT!
Up in Canada in the province of Saskatchewan. We have 40% of the worlds reserve of potash and some of the best quality ore. There are like a dozen potash mines up here!
A couple more videos on structural and you can corner the market. This is a good video. Pipeline welding is fun but you have a ton of structural welders out there that need advice. Also what that you in the AWS magazine?
1/16 is the only size flux core wire they have at my school, but i would prefer to learn with .045 which is what will run on a machine i want to buy. i must say, i sure do like running 1/16 dual shield wire, it puts down great looking beads fast with awesome penetration!
I like the videos that you guys do they are always so educational. I would like to see you do some more of the flux core stuff but with the cheaper machines that a lot of us at home have.
Hey are you still gonna do that 3g and 4g 1inch with 1/16 self shielded flux core wire? Also could you run a d1.8 self shielded flux core 3g restricted semic flux core weld test as well?
Good technique the slight angle down was good dragging with the slight weave , need more stick out on first pass , second pass good , 3rd looks good don’t forget inter pass heat , if you don’t set up multiple test coupons or let cool individually that will screw you , Oakland local 378 iron workers back in the day
Thank you for this informational video! We run Lincoln Electric NR-232 flux core wire in my college welding shop. We run 20.5 volts and 150 inches per minute. Keep up the great work!
Testing on a 1 inch test plate with this.. having trouble with the root where I get slag BEHIND the root pass.. any tips? Thanks! Learning so much on your page.
We use 1/16" dual shield where I work I typically run 30 volts and 305 wire speed vertical I run about 24 volts and 190 wire speed this stuff is awesome
We used that at my last job too and for vertical I’d also have it at about 24 volts but my wire speed was a bit higher if I remember correctly. Never got to 30 volts though unless I had to fix some porosity lol normally I was on the 27 V range.
@@JBguitar-cj8pc we have to arc gouge any porosity on full pen welds I'll do my root at 27 once I get 3 or 4 passes in I turn it up to 30 fill it up hot then back down to 27 for my cover
Ran 1/16 at the ship yard 30 pound spools always found holding gun upside down while doing vertical made it easier. Great video we had a we ran 265 wire feed was the lowest an 25 volts. He's right you never want to breath that crap.
Only 19v on 1.6mm wire? Id have thought it would be lot higher that that! As far as the smoke from that stuff goes, its horrid and really nasty shit. Innershield has been given the nickname of "innerdeath" at lots of companies/yards over here in the UK lol
Ken F I was surprised on the settings too but it’s pushing 200 amps with these parameters. Gotta make sure you have adequate fume extraction and/or a quality respirator with the proper training to use it.
Really great to see a video on the t-8 series wire. Very few instructional videos exists showing its application. I recently moved from the the states down to NewZealand. when I contacted an inspector to oversee rectification for me using this wire process, he had never even heard of it. Really uncommon down here. I use it almost exclusively here on structural and heavy equipment applications in the field, and on each job customers are pleased with its high deposition rates and weld quality over that of 7016 rods that are conventionally used in NZ. Considerable savings in time & $. Thanks for the great content and education.
You answered a question about going up hill we were told in class when using 030&035 use the one second rule on side to side good video thumbs up and wishing happy holidays.
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4 years later, D1.1 is structural code, D1.5 bridge code, D1.8 seismic application code. NR-232 is viable for all 3 codes. It’s seismic wire aslong as you have the proper parameters. For the last pass you did you were running to slow on the corners and gave it an opportunity to fill up, that’s why you see a little splash and you probably felt it on the gun, you could’ve added more wire. It was hot and you subconsciously kept the same speed as the root and second pass. Looks good for not running it in a while. Keep those videos coming really enjoyed this one!
Any chance for an .052 spray metalcore video on pushing the puddle vs a whip. The company I work at has a lot of people that prefer to whip and pause like a 6010 and I do until I can get my machine set correctly to where I can just push it and it lays in buttery smooth. I just wanted to know it could be beneficial to whip and pause.
Absolutely don't whip and pause with metalcore yes it gives it that dime stack look but that's all it is looks you suffer on penetration always do exactly what the manufacturer recommends which is a push
I just ran some old stock Olympic B Flux Core this week. I was in denial for a bit about the terrible bead I was getting... just made no sense. I went online for the specs. They state to use shield gas. Go figure.... What a difference. Felt a bit stupid, but was sure that's what was needed. Checking confirmed it. So yeah... always look at the wire specs.
Jason, Thanks for the video! Globular seems like quite the process! Amazon failed to deliver my blue demon dual shield .035 wire so never got to do it last night! Boo
Corey Holstine sorry to hear that man. Globular is just the mode of metal transfer. We did a video on modes of metal transfer a while back. Check it out. Stick welding is also a globular transfer.
it's between short circuit and spray transfer, where you can see globs of metal crossing the arc gap...in the Larry Jeffus "Welding Principles and Applications" it's barely mentioned, because it's not as often used as the other modes of transfer.
Side to side will trap the slag , if it get shot or bend test, I think a stringer would have been a lil better… I have a test on it today so we will see..1/16 wire on a 3g/3F plate test w/backend strip
Ah man I miss welding with that wire. Worked as an iron worker for years and got tired chasing work. But man this wire was fun to weld full pins with and fillet welds all day. Go and hit the center column when your done and let the slag drop😂😂
Jason Becker yeah man that’s awesome at the end of the day I’m sure you feel a better self worth knowing you are molding minds. I went another route now I’m a correctional officer in ca. No self gratification there just a steady check. The last company I worked for literally erected a new high school about 100 yards from my house. It was depressing seeing the crane with a tree walking distance away 😩😩
I'm sure it's ok, but I just feel like you weren't getting into the the corner all that well on on that first pass... like you weren't getting the flux/slag out of the way when you were jumping from side to side. I may not be explaining myself well. Maby if youd have kept the ark right on the edge of the puddle and base metal while moving from left to right it would have pushed that slag/flux out from the center a bit better, ABSOLUTLY NOT hating you guys got a great channel, 3/4 is a bit thick but maby a cut and etch would be nice to see if anything got trapped :)....EDIT it's hard to see the left side of the puddle in the video but after a 2nd watch it looks like u pushed it out lol
@@joseramirez-cf9ki that may be it.. you know as well as I, it's hard to know exactly what's going on if your just watching and not working the puddle yourself. On top of never running that specific wire myself, the puddle looks thicker than usual ;)
Jason Becker curious to know what amps/voltage/wire speed you were using. Look a little cold to me. I’ve used 233 5/64” wire with Lincoln’s “typical operating procedures” settings. It’s very fluid at 125 IPM with 260 amps from a CC generator. Definitely a defined leading puddle edge and slag shelf when running verticals.
why when i went to test for a flux test they had me angle it flat and almost a push never a a drag ?! and it turned out like shit yet , when i ran that in school i had no issues . so basically size up your puddle and then bring it up .
Awesome, I’m glad you guys finally did some t8, can y’all do a video laying down on some full pen with ceramic??? Very common on structural ironwork when there’s a shitload of moment connections, we’ve got well over 3k of those connections on the school we’re building now, and I’ve been running 1/16” Hobart XLR 8 and I won’t lie sometimes I can lay it in perfect but other times I can’t get away from massive amounts of porosity even when I’m pretty sure I’m doing everything right. Flat full pen ceramic backer 3/8” gap, Dragging about 45-60 degree angle, 3/8” to 1/2” thick steel, weaving and staying in the puddle, 1” stick out, on CC set at 200 amps and 190 ipm on a miller suitcase. Lately it’s been really kicking my ass, but I can lay it in beautiful on verticals. I’m stumped. I’ve even tried changing the settings to 250 amps and 255 ipm, 180 amps and 150 ipm, all kinds of different recommended settings, still no luck. Curious to see you guys give it a go!
Couple things! I use dual shield for ceramic backing alot. Havent tried innershield with ceramic backing. Work in a ship yard and when we have it set up for dual shield it has to be alot smaller gap then 3/8. We set up on the flat and vertical to be between 5mm and 6 mm root opening and 4mm on horizontal. The milimeters make the difference prep ia everything with this process especially on horizontal! The prep should be for 60 degree included bevel and to a knife edge no land! With .045 wire and 100% co2 shielding the settings we use are 20-22v and 190-215 ipm wire speed. Has to be on CV! This is with .045 wire.
Let's see some dual-shield flux-core welds too please Redbeard. I use alot of Lincoln Electric UltraCore 71A85 seismic wire, no matter what I'm working on, it seems to meet the requirements
Hey weld.com, the marine contractor I work for wants to use this wire for 4G welding on 3/8-3/4" plate. I have used T8 conforming wires before Lincoln 232,233 on moment and column-column splices, tank legs, etc but I have never had to use it overhead. It is an absolute requirement that we use this wire overhead at this job, we can't flip the boat lol. I have no doubt that it will work, Select Arc claims it is an all position wire due to the heavier slag, though I am interested to see how it plays out and if Mr Redbeard has any kind of tips and tricks I'd much appreciate it.
Nicely done as always, would like to try that wire. Looks a little "fluxy" to me. I dunno if you tanks can get your hands on it (a Canadian wire) but try some Arches FC-222 if you get the chance. Pretty good all around maintenance/ repair wire. Lol and for the record, anything under 5/64" is not a "big boy" wire. Get yourself some 3/32" Hobart Fabshield 4 wire if you want to really burn up some gloves.
@@kristianskov4841 haha that was super bad ass i showed that to alot of my buddies at work. I think it was running a bit cold tho? Biggest rods ive used was 3/16 but on the flat we ran at 300 so at 3/4 rods i feel like it should have been hotter then 1000 could be wrong tho!
Break out the big boy wire?? Lol generally I run 5/64 innershield.. always Lincoln manufacturer.. and depending on the application I've used a lot of their different types of innershield brands.. when I started.. and again there are a lot of variables and I'm turning the clock back 30 years I have ran 5/64 3M as low as 200 ipm. up to 500 ipm. Do I really have to get into the details about my experience with 3/32 -311ni. And I have a lot.. and again variables taking into account.. copper backing strips.. 500 to 700 ipm. Big Boy wire?? SMH..
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Hey could you do a video on self shielded flux core.054 wire in the 3g and 4g position on 1inch plate. I’m now in the ironworkers and we’re running the .054 self shielded flux core.
If you move faster side to side you'll get a flatter more consistent weld. Everyone wants to weld soft wire like it's a 7018, but it's not. That first pass would have failed on something crucial.
1/16 wire and only 19v😲 i thought would be higher than that! Lol Not done a lot of wire feed at all though, bit of solid wire and a bit of dual shield. Re the fumes: any sort of "innershield" wire is known here in the UK as "innerdeath". The fumes from that are real nasty.
Man the root pass was beautiful. I'm doing flat right now hopefully I can get the slag to come off like that. I'm get that sandy slag once and awhile sometime the slag just fall off not like that though
Mike they are the same AWS specification and classification of wire. Just 2 different manufacturers. In my opinion, I’ve ran both and the Select Arc seems to be more user friendly.
This video is one Christmas gift. I’m not a welder, but wonder: if this wite is for seismec applications, could I use it for regular (not critical) fabrication and try to have less types of wires?
We weld with very similar wire. .052 71-T1 dual shield with CO2. Hull welding US Navy ships Huntington Ingalls Pascagoula, MS. Apprentice welder here that LOVES watching Weld.com videos! You guys have helped me improve my skills, thanks!
Nice, anyway you can tell me what the test is like? Say if I'm coming in as a structural Welder. I was told Smaw, Fcaw, Gmaw, Gmaw-p. But i have no info on wire sizes or what Rods or what kind of joints. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
@@aaronewing8386 the test will be: FCAW 71T1 .052 3/8 mild steel plate with ceramic tape for horizontal and vert, OH will be backing strap. SMAW 7018 will be backing strap hor flat and vert 3/8 mild steel. 6 test plates total.
I have just started using nnershield wire for the first time.I have 1.6mm esab core shield 8 and lincoln 2mm nr 211. I am a complete novice with this stuff and I'm really looking foward to learning all about it.Getting the settings right and gun angle and stick out right will take a bit of practice .When using the innershied and gas shielded wires you always pull the wire not push?Do you treat it abit like stick welding?
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When you run it at that voltage it cooks out the properties that make it suitable for seismic applications. Ive used it before and we ran it at the top end parameters while keeping the properties recommended by Lincoln Electric. Was a little outside of the scope at 25v and 350ipm we were pulling 400 amps was NR 232 .072 Innershield on an LN25x suitcase with a Flextec 650x
really interesting, the only flux coat ive used is on the cheep mig welders we get here in the uk. for car work its absolutly rubbush ive found, and i use 0.6 wire now with c02 and its really good. is there a wire you could recomend for car work? Im really interested as maybe its just the wrong wire i had... thanks
