I sold one of my C70's and an R5c to get the C400. I will always keep one C70. That's my pair. Huge Canon fan. Beautiful colors, 10 NDs, RAW internal, Awesome AF, Triple ISO, so many assignable buttons for speed and great on power. I'm done for a very long time. Bravo Canon!! Oh and that monitor, great to easily change view.
Such a detailed and balanced breakdown. Thanks, Eric. You've provided so much useful guidance on using my C70. I'm disappointed you won't be doing the same with the C80, but I understand your rationale. Anyway, RU-vid might only be a hobby for you, but you are incredibly good at it. I hope you'll continue to delight your fans!
In a sea of hype, you’re always a real one. For someone who held pat on buying a c70, the 80 is really enticing as is the 400. Then again, I’m sure I could get one refurbished 70 on the low end. But the ff is generally important as is AF
I stuck with the 400, specifically because I’ve felt myself growing out of the 70 over the course of the last year. For me this was both a physical issue where some jobs just simply call for a bigger body with more attachments, and a technical issue when working with Sony shooters in uncontrolled lighting environments or mixed cam setups where the 70’s natural softer look stood out until going through post. The jumps canon made in the 400 and 80 feel like a natural progression curve for the kind of commercial work I do and love. I Also shoot narrative, work on features, a few docs, industrials, and music videos.
18:30 Exactly how i feel right now. For the $5500 i can keep my C70 that I already love, and buy the some gear that has been on my list for a while such as dana dolly, aputure 600d, nice 7 inch monitor, anamorphic lens and still have money left.
Great video. Thank you. Enjoyed the RF 24-105 rambling. Informative. Also, the specifics re RAW. Currently have the C70. Autofocus of C80 is compelling.
Using a single lens for wide and long is the reason I originally picked the R5C over the C70, I figured: I can get two lenses in one if I crop in to S35. Most people saying 6k/8k is overrated overlook this major advantage especially for run and gun shooting.
There is crop in the image and it is often overlooked, but a 4k image is way way more sharp on 8k camera than in a 4k, because the pixels are true groups of 4 and can probably bybass a debayerisation i suspect. I mean if you are into sharpness, i don't realy care myself Having 6k or 8k is realy nice with some speciality shots when you need to zoom in the picture like a budget dolly zoom done in post
The C80 looks super cool but I'm kinda heavily invested in Super35 lenses for the C70 right now so I'm not looking to upgrade yet. But I look forward to seeing the Sound It Out C80 e-course become available 😆 Your C70 course has been an immense help to me 🙏
I think it goes hand in hand with lens and lens mount choices. For anyone who has started invested in RF mount glass , like the new 24-105, as their collection grows their need for native full frame RF mount options will rise steadily. But if that's not you, and my too, it's really a small upgrade if you want some stronger autofocus performance or better low light options. But it's really for that RF mount lens owner who wants to use Canon's new lens options, as they add to the Z line, and sees the c400 and c80 generation as the way forward. As a c300 mark III and C70 owner, i'm excited for the future when I decide to go all RF mount, etc etc. But definitely not this year.
Thank you for a measured and utility based appraisal of new tech, quite a rare thing on RU-vid! Like you, I don't feel I have a genuine reason to upgrade my C70. My workflow wouldn't change at all other than not using an HDMI to SDI converter I use once a year for a live stream I keep getting hired for. Not a big deal. It's so easy to think that new tech is going to change things, but my life shooting hasn't changed since I had a C100 (apart from the bigger hard drives).
Great video. We just bought a C400 and are eagerly awaiting it's arrival. Question - What cam / lens combo did you shoot this video on? It def has a soft look and then aberration and coma on the edges. Vintage lens?
The constantly changing aspect ratios in the video was too much for me to keep watching. Made it about a minute in. Just a heads up. Not sure what’s up with the weird small rectangle for showing clips when your talking head clip is wide.
Thanks for the overview, and candid review. I'm in the same boat where this doesn't completely blow the C70 out of the water. Lights and lenses, at this point play a bigger role in how my work looks. Honestly waiting on what a fx3 mkii could look like 🤔
thank you for specifically answering a question that was digging a hole in my brain... if they are all base ISOs then do they have the same noise and dynamic range as ISO 100 or 800...!
One thing I wanted to ask about... With the C70, for that doc you were working on, you were using 24-105 f/2.8 and carrying a 24mm with speedbooster for wide interiors -- but couldn't you just have gone for C70 + ef 24-105 f/4 with speedbooster?
The c80 opens the 'major lenses' being the 24-105 2.8 and the 28-80/2 .. but most importatn I 'feel' (and I dont want to as I own a ton of EF) that the RF glass is just a little more sticky on the AF. The reason to get the 400 or 80 is surely to access those lenses. I guess you have the 24-105+boostes on the C70.. that 24-105 is both super useful and a bit horrid! As a 200 owner Ive been awaiting affordable used C500.. but honesly im feeling that the 400 would be better to get into RF glass (which I also use on my stills cam)
I think the focal reducer has no effect on DOF realistically. I could be wrong though I was told this on a canon forum. It lets more light in but DOF increase
I didn’t expect that M. Night Shyamalan twist at the very end. Good logic though. That makes sense. Thanks for the informative video. I feel like the C400 might be that “different” camera you’re looking for?
Hi Eric, about the RF 24-105 F2.8 with C80 one-lens combo, would a EF 24-105 F4 with speedbooster for the C70 also result in a one-lens combo with almost similar results? Or am I missing something?
The 24-105 F4 in conjunction with speed booster, in my opinion - is an absolutely awesome lens on the C-70. I have had no hugely noticeable issues with autofocus & stabilization seems to work very well. I have not done a direct comparison - but tremendous bang for the buck and has given new life to this woefully underrated lens.
Interesting! I’ve never used it first hand, I remember considering that lens a couple years ago and decided against it after watching reviews. Seems like it is a killer value.
Not totally similar results: the EF 24-105 F4 on the C70 (with speedbooster) will give a F4 depth of field FF 'look' (at F4), while the EF 24-105 F2.8 on the C80 will bring you a F2.8 depth of field FF 'look' (at F2.8). In other words, you cannot get the F2.8 depth of field FF 'look' by using the EF 24-105 F4 on the C70, you are limited to F4 depth of field.
The r5m2 is amazing for photo and video. If you film high iso you going to need the cooling fan too. Mine got hot pixels sometimes without grip. But the image is so sharp and I love the Canon colors.
Thank you very much for the great review! I will also keep my C70 and wait for a camera that’s drastically different and improved. Absolutely no need to buy that camera for RU-vid purposes :)
Great videos as always! I like your no BS approach. I feel the same, although the high ISOs would be nice. If only it still did 60fps raw LT : ( Also, I wonder if the image was too sharp and digital looking maybe? I think the best thing that comes from the C80 coming out, is if you were about to upgrade to a c70 : D
10:47 This is the biggest bummer (for me) with this new camera. To shoot in 4k-60 you are smacked back down to super35 as opposed to FF. Who knows tho... I'm optimistic, the C70 gained some significant firmware upgrades in it's heyday... maybe this will be a possibility for the C80? Time will tell.
@@SoundItOutFilms yes! I did forget to mention that, thank you for the amendment. I shoot weddings and corporate in raw. The c70 has been great, I might have to get another one. Thank you for all of the videos you have been making around this system. 🙏
He’s saying that the Base ISO has more to do with maximizing dynamic range than lowering noise. For instance, if I want to maximize dynamic range I would set Base ISO to 800 and then set my actual ISO to 800 (same idea for the other Base ISO options). Now if I wanted to lower noise at the cost of losing a small amount of dynamic range, I may set Base ISO to 800 but then set the actual ISO to something lower than 800 for a cleaner image. Another example: I’m in low light conditions and need to bump ISO up but don’t want to risk having too much noise in image. I will set Base ISO to 3200 but then set my actual ISO to 1600 to clean up the noise. Dynamic range isn’t as important in low light scenarios anyway. Also note that this is even more important to do when shooting in raw as the image will be much noisier than XF-AVC which has noise reduction baked in. Hope that helps and isn’t too confusing.
7:00 I - just like you - occasionally shoot documentary run and gun stuff but I always want to deliver incredible footage, even when there is not much time avaliable, which is why I am strongly interested in the 24-105mm F2.8, since it sounds like THE perfect run and gun lens. I just watched a couple reviews and especially photographers complain about not only strong distortion but also heavy vignietting at the 24mm setting even calling it completely unusable. This is at 3:2 full frame of course, but you do video - does this issue also apply to the 16:9 crop on the C80s full frame sensor? I can live with some chromatic abberation for documentries but having to start at 28mm defeats the purpose of getting a lens that should start at 24mm, which is a big difference. I also see some Chromatic abberation on the edges of this video of yours - which lens are you recording with?
@@SoundItOutFilms Thank you for your quick response. I found the video about the corrections you were talking about. This definitely makes it a great full frame lens for video purposes. Did Canon however bring the update, where you could disable the corrections? And if not, are these corrections also applied to RAW footage? I was also looking at the Blazar Remus anamorphic lenses. It definitely makes sense now, why there is so much fall off and chromatic abberation towards the edges of the frame.
I don't feel an hugeeeeee difference between C70 - C80, honestly. I was waiting impatiently for your honest review. ;) goosebumps for your last 2min. u have my respect.
Ya, like you I'm (mostly) happy with my C70 and am more likely to buy a rather different second camera to expand my range. Maybe upgrade my stills camera to a Canon R5 Mark II. Or get a camcorder with a 1-inch sensor. Perhaps if Canon updated the XF605, I wouldn't be looking as closely at the new Sony PXW-Z200... Doug Jensen's Z200 footage is intriguing: www.youtube.com/@DougJensenVortexMedia
@@JimFeeley Yep, Eric's the best. Probably 50 percent of my C70 knowledge comes directly from this channel. The other half comes from screwing up on shoots. :)
