If smartphones can get rid of the flare of the 1" sensor, use multi lenses for wide angle and telephoto shots and increase response time.... they will bite into "real" camera sales like we've never seen. Those shot of yours are just plain awesome Robin. Glad to see you out and about after the Oly fiasco. Keep on keeping on!!!!
Impressive photos!! I think smartphones brands need to make an alliance and design a smartphone lens mount for 1" sensors. A mount that would be slim, with very little flange distance, strong enough to carry a small telephoto. The lens needs to be small and light. So, the brand can sell you a smartphone with a kit pancake 24mm (equiv.) lens, small and thin. Then you can purchase other prime lenses or even collapsible small zooms. The standard need to be semi open, for third party lenses. So to get the autofocus they need to pay a very small fee, to get the aperture other small fee. And if someone wants to create a manual lens is free for payments of fees. I imagine me carrying a small bag with 3 tiny lenses for my smartphone. It would be epic!!! With good real lenses the smartphone photography would have a quantum leap in quality, a lot of people would be interested in photography too.
The telephoto needs that people have on a smartphone are so niche that I don't think they would ever do this, at least not the major brands. I'm just going to throw a number out there, but I would wager that the focal lengths and field of view did you get with typical wide-angle smartphone cameras, covers 95% of the needs of people who use their smartphones to take pictures. Smartphones can already zoom, it's not good zoom, but smartphone photography is notoriously inferior in results to real cameras so if someone really cares that much about being able to zoom and have it look good, they're probably just going to buy a camera. anyone who really cares that much about image quality will just buy a camera.
@@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter but they are too big. Pentax had a mount for small film cameras that covers even APSC with very small lenses, the Pentax 110. Something like that could be on a smartphone
Even though many reviewers said that the lack of post processing is the biggest weakness of this camera, I see it as a pretty good thing. It might not be the best camera for point and shoot scenarios, but you can really get that "feel" you get from a real camera by using something like this (I've used my friends sony phone for photography). Looking forward to pick this up
It uses the whole sensor but the sensor isn't one inch, it's one inch according to an old measurement system where the sensor can fit a 1 inch tube. Real sensor size is about 0.5 x 0.4
I think the same. No way they can use the complete 1" sensor with a lens that is mounted so close. Using 1" sensor completely will require a much fatter camera bulge.
I had the Lumix Panasonic CM1. What I loved most about the camera is that it was built like a small pocket-able camera that had it's own shutter button and it had a clickable wheel around the lens for adjusting aperture or manual focus. It also had a built-in app that had basically the same camera menu as all Panasonic cameras.This Sharp phone looks like a typical smartphone which is awkward for taking photos. I do like that it has a F1.9 Aperture though. The CM1 only had a F2.8, so it wasn't a low light monster but was fairly impressive at high ISO for the time. If phones do go in this direction I think they need at least a physical shutter button with fully adjustable settings for aperture, exposure, etc.
Good stuff as usual Robin. In a weird kind of way, I am sorta glad you are not an OMD ambassador. I finally get to see you branch out and show us other cameras and technology in your amazing style of explaining things. I wonder if the USA suppliers will hop on board to offer this 1" sensor, great photos from a camera. Cheers!
Watching this on my sharp aquos r6, im living here in japan. The phone updates improved a lot than last year, it has a fast shutter now and the focus is good. Waiting for the aquos r7 this year. Nice shots and video btw. 👊
Hello, Out of curiosity, how much cheaper can you find the r6 now in Japan, used or new? Since you're there. Just doing some research around the device, not immediately interested or anything.
@@xzygmvnd wow, fast response haha Thanks for the info. The price is in such a good place right now, especially your offer (or, I'd assume, similar ones that exist throughout the country maybe). Wish I was able to get my hands on one. Anyway, thanks again!
You are probably are one of the few honest RU-vidrs that I've seen on here. Or at least you don't feel like you will be 'blacklisted' by said companies. The R7 which came out after it on paper looks incredible. I probably couldn't use it properly as a mobile phone alas an alternative to a travel camera it could suffice.
Thank you for this great video Robin. Over the past weeks, I delved into smartphones. I though that it would be a good idea for my next smartphone to have a good camera. As you said, you have always the phone with you. I was disappointed with the results. So I diceded not to invest in an expensive smartphone but in a compact camera (my main camera is the e-m1 mark iii). If smartphones get a 1 inch sensor, I would welcome that. Smartphones also fall short in the telephoto range (optical zoom is oké but you don't want digital zoom). That also difinitely need to be improved.
I always dreamed of a phone with a lens on the top edge and ability to bend light and spread it across a proper decent size sensor. Theoretically it should be possible to paint a medium format lens with light from a tiny lens that way ...
Can see why you grabbed it. Back pocket camera you will have with you for sneaky shots, love it. Just have to accept the flaws,can see why Japan only release.
I think this is one of those use-case things. For a photographer, increasing the sensor size and removing processing is ideal because we know how to do the processing already, how to manipulate depth of field, and are actually thinking about what we are shooting. Also, we actually care to take the time to do the processing, unlike the average smartphone user, that just wants an instant usable result with punchy color and everything in focus. This will be posted on social media, where it is going to get compressed all to hell anyways. I have actually been holding onto my Galaxy S9 since it came out because of something else most phones are missing in the hardware department: an adjustable aperture. I'd almost argue that (in our use case) this is just as important and increasing the sensor size. The difference in depth of field and sharpness, even with such a small sensor, is really dramatic when switching from f1.5 to f2.4; it's almost like having two smartphone cameras in one. Samsung did away with this feature because the average user doesn't know how to use it, which is a shame, and because doing DOF in software is much cheaper. I think this coming back, alongside larger sensors, will be huge. Also, to keep from having to crop the sensor down (like the Xperia Pro-I does), it looks like they used a really wide lens. I think 19mm equiv. really limits the usefulness of the camera. It's great for walk-around, capturing large areas with buildings and landscape, but people are going to look a little awkward. That's also where your flare is coming from. I'm wondering if taking a small cup, cutting off the bottom, and taping it to the phone would help alleviate that. Granted, using a wider lens is a much better solution than cropping the sensor IMO. Most people are going to care more about getting more in the frame rather than how it looks, so this is a win for Sharp regardless when considering overall sales/mass market. I would like to see what this can do with some high quality auxiliary lenses (Moment), but I don't think they have a big enough image circle. I think the future is coming with new lens design paradigms involving flatter elements, so we can finally get something like a 35mm/50mm equiv. on a smartphone without huge compromises.
Smartphones have terrible ergonomics as cameras. That's why I dislike using mine as a camera. The only photos I take with it are sent to my grandchildren's phones because it's so easy. Pre-smartphone phones were smaller and fatter. I know the desire for ever larger screens, but a fatter phone would leave room for better lenses and better ergonomics. I notice that the Sharp Aquos lens is an extreme wide angle, which is all that can be mounted on such a thin body with such a large sensor.
I agree completely. I don't think most people on the planet would care if phones became a little thicker for this upgrade, thin tech is only for marketing purposes and the growing size of screens directly goes against the weight and size reduction manufacturers want. Give me a fatter phone if it means better camera quality. I personally wouldn't care, and if it's all just for the camera chances are they wouldn't be much heavier either.
@@anecro Check out the Panasonic CM1. It was basically a truly pocketable camera with real camera controls that happened to have Android OS built-in. It doesn't really function with modern cellphone towers anymore. But it was amazing at the time. I personally wouldn't be interested in a phone camera that doesn't at least have a decent grip with a physical shutter button.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Robin, about having 1-inch image sensor. I currently own an iPhone 13 pro and even with the most advanced software the images still leave a lot of room for improvement, and one of them is the natural sharpness you described here.
I don't think that 1" is the future in smartphone cameras, too large and needing too much effort (complexity) in the lens design to keep the smartphone thin (I think this is one reason for the lack of flare resistance). A bit larger than current would be neat, and going with BSI and the one or other software trickery (but with care) could still improve image quality. For the vast majority of users, the current IQ of smartphone photos is more than plenty, and I don't think that they will buy this kind of smartphone for the camera.
Great video Robin. I bought a Canon G5X mark ii which has the Sony 20mp 1"sensor and was pleasantly surprised at how really good the IQ is up to 1600 ISO. As lenses on phones also improve, they will just get better and better as imaging devices. Need an EVF too.
Very nice and impressive images! A one inch sensor in a smartphone is kind of crazy, in a good way. I will add that I got my first smartphone because of the photos it was able to take. The jump in quality from the first flip phone camera I had that would record an image to that first smartphone was huge.
One of the great features about this phone's camera is that it's 19mm as contrasted with 23mm on other 1'inch sensor smartphones. This may not seem like a big deal, but because 19mm is the primary 1'inch sensor, this phones camera gives the feeling of a 16mm lens on a full frame camera(of course not as great as a full frame, but I think you get what I mean)... 23 mm appears to be too cropped in, in my opinion.
Does this use the full 1” sensor or is there a crop? Sony experia has a 1” sensor however only a portion of the sensor is being used. Think of it like having a FF camera and using aps-c glass and still proclaiming full frame sensor.
@@OutingJournal You are the one spreading false information. Look at the lens. It is smaller than one inch.So it is not using the full 1 inch of the sensor.
@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 I live in HONG KONG, Its officially launched here, why not you send email to sharp your self? Its use the full sensor period
Nice review! I enjoyed it, and the photos seem quite impressive, thanks... I think a combination of both software and hardware is ideal; however, if I had to choose between the two, I would mostly be leaning towards hardware. I think they should invest in a third party software to address the issues. I almost bought one last year.
Amazing depth of field is one of the features of phone cameras. Especially with video. This comes from the lens being so close to the sensor. A one inch sensor should mean the lens must be further from it. Will we start talking about micro contrast, Chromatic aberration, vignetting, and barrel distortion? And will phone shooters get talked into out of focus areas as a benefit? They are a different breed...
Great video, Robin I use my smartphone cameras a lot nowadays. It does always everything I need for the social media space. Nevertheless, I still keep a compact full frame camera as a hobbyist for those times I do birding or for holidaying (I know I know - can't do much travelling during the pandemic).
1-inch sensor would make the phone thicker, especially with a good lens, although an ultra wide angle lens or folded (periscope) design would help reduce thickness to maybe 10-12 mm. I wouldn't mind this compromise to get better image quality, but many people prefer a thin phone. Compared to a typical 'pocketable' compact camera (about 30-40mm thick), even a 15mm thick phone camera would be a great improvement. Also, a physical shutter button/joystick combination would be nice and less prone to causing 'camera shake' than pressing a virtual button on the screen.
A good lens and sensor are the cornerstone of a good camera. Image processing can only do so much, it does require good raw material to work with. The most the lens and sensor do, the less processing is required, and the result should (in theory) be superior to a mediocre lens and sensor + heavy processing. Those images really do look great, but I think that's more a testament to the photographer (you) than it is the smartphone's image taking prowess.
I wonder if the sensor is the IMX183. Its an old sensor by now. I think almost 10 years old now. Rather slow read out too. To answer your question at the end. I think 1in sensors would be great but there should still be some 1/2in and 2/3in sensors to cover all the aspects of the cell phone market. Especially those of us that want a smaller phone. I know I think most phones are just way too big. If the sensor is the IMX183 then it defiantly could be improved with some more modern tech like Stacked process to get rid of the amp glow it has.
They could even use a point and shoot sensor which would make a huge difference if the cost is a problem.. or camera companies think it takes too much space..
Bigger sensors are definitely the future for smartphone photography. It won't keep those happy that want interchangeable lenses and the inbuilt lens probably has some unnatural distortion.
The images you presented are excellent and actually border on stunning. Just judging from the angle of view, that 19mm Leica lens seems to be equivalent to a 50-55mm lens on 35mm film. Again, the images from the combination of 1" sensor plus Leica 19mm are excellent.
Wow…the results is beautiful. As if this thing is ripe to be processed on Lightroom or adobe. I wonder if you use third party app like proshot or other manually controlled camera, will this be match made in heaven he he
Fantastic Robin, I totaly agree with you about the 1 inch sensor in smartphones, I wish it will appear more smartphone with this sensor size soon. By the way, did you think about having a look to modern 1 inch sensor cameras? for example canon G7X of Sony RX100 families? I would love to see a review about one of these cameras from you... ;-) Congrats for the video.
Interesting that you say 1" is as good as MFT with kit lens. I've been wondering about an RX10iii/iv rather than going MFT. The nice lenses can get expensive. I currently have a small sensor bridge. Totally agree about over processed smartphone images. Progressing to 1" as standard would be good. By the way, I saw 9 images at the end :)
I’ve shot the G7x for some time. The noise is present, but generally unobjectionable, especially in prints. If you’re fine with black and white, you can definitely get usable images at 6200 ISO. Probably about on par with Ilford Delta 3200 film.
Huh, 7mm lens (19mm FF equivalent)? A little wider than I’d like, but given the size constraints, understandable. On my Canon G7x mkII, I’d also gotten usable shots at 6400 ISO, with a high enough shutter speed to freeze motion in darkness. It’s quite noisy (kind of comparable to Delta 3200 film), but it looks fairly natural in black and white. No phone I’d seen can freeze motion in the dark. How’s the rolling shutter on it, btw? From my understanding, this isn’t a stacked sensor like the newer RX100s. For smartphone manufacturers, to address the heat and power consumption of the larger sensor, a small sensor camera could be placed nearby to act as a viewfinder, only firing up the larger sensor when taking the actual photo. Video would be more problematic, and may necessitate pixel binning to keep heat down.
sayang sekali smartphone ini tidak support kamera level 3 sehingga tidak bisa menjalankan fungsi ARCORE google AR, padahal smartphone ini dibekali sensor 3D tof di belakangnya sehingga terasa useless
Robin, I like this camera too, have you had some software updates already make the shutter quicker ? I also like the Vivo X80 pro +, I wonder which is better
You can find the height and width in millimeters of a "one inch" (so called) sensor online. If you draw that rectangle, then measure it with an inches ruler, you'll see that it has no reference to one inch whatsoever. Neither its height, nor its width, nor even its diagonal, is anywhere near an inch. It's a nomenclature that's intended to deceive. It may be bigger than the 1 over 2/3-inch sensor (whatever that measurement means!) of cell phones, but it's still a lot smaller than micro-4/3, for example.
Yeah - 1" sensor dimensions are 8.6mm x 13.2mm, so the diagonal is 15.8mm. The 1" has something to do with dimansions of the film. But then 2/3" sensor dimensions aren't matching 2/3" in the same way. Also looking at the area - 1" sensor is almost exactly double the area than a 2/3" sensor's area.
To clarify: I typed the above from memory, so 1 over 2/3 inch is a mistake. I meant 1 over 2.3 inch. Again, though, it's hard to say how that relates to the actual size of such sensors. To use Canon point and shoots as an example, lower-end A cameras (powered by AA batteries) and some digital ELPHs tended to be that size, while their premium G (and slightly lesser S) cameras were 1 over 1.7 or 1.8 inch. Of course, in such cameras, you can't actually ever SEE the sensor. The little Pentax Q is 1 over 2.3" and you CAN SEE the sensor; it's tiny, with a 5.53 crop factor. (Still kinda cool though.)
@@wadelapan5756 Ah yes .. and I missed "1 over" alltogether :) So 1/2.3" sensor dimensions also don't have any width, height, diagonal equal to 1/2.3". The 1/2.3" sensor area is 4 times smaller than 1" sensor area, which is quite a jump in size.
Sorry not to see you promoting Olympus (OM System) cameras any longer. It is a loss for OM System as well us OM System fan viewers. This phone is not my cup of tea but images are nice for a smartphone camera. For the 1" sensor to be the future of smartphone cameras, the price will have to go down substantially. Price is in excess of $1,000 in the U.S. (on Ebay probably for used products). I think the 1" sensor may catch on for higher end phones but I doubt it will trickle down to lower end and more mainstream phones. For $1,000, photo enthusiasts can buy at least a Micro 4/3 or APS-C camera. Remember, we are the exception and most people do not care about image quality. As someone pointed out below, most people are satisfied with current smartphone image quality. If you asked them about their current smartphone sensor, they would not know or care. Consequently, I doubt demand for the 1'' sensor cameras will be high enough to push down the price of the 1" sensor smartphones to appeal to the masses. I also doubt Apple will go to a 1" sensor, since their focus (for better or worse) is on software and processing and not hardware. Out of curiosity, I checked out reviews of this camera phone and interestingly it was criticized for having software that lagged behind almost everyone else. This product goes against the stream of most other phone manufacturers and I doubt that will change.
IMO it may be the future for smartphones but smartphones are not the future of photography. Ergonomics and taking pictures in bright light looking at a screen are against that.
Sharp is the onyl company in tech bringing stuff that no one really appreciates, then people cheap korean and chinese knockoffs the likes of samsung, lg, zte and huawei for twice the price of the Sharp.
