I loved the reveal that 'O' was the master. I really didn't see it coming and was thrilled! Sacha Dhawan is such a great master, immediatly selling it for me in that scene
Daniel Holleman no he isn't he didn't have that master feel to me just like Heath ledger didn't have that joker feel that came to the writing mostly but with this master there is unanswered questions that come with his existence like is he an earlier version and if not how is he alive after season 10 for example
The way his personality flipped on a dime like that was just genius acting from Sacha Dhawan, he seemed so giddy to get to be himself again and pull off another diabolical scheme!
I loved it too! I really didn't see it coming. The whole episode I was like, "I like this O person. He seems really nice I hope nothing bad happens to him." And then the Master twist happened seemingly out of no where. And I say "seemingly out of nowhere" going back and rewatching, you can definitely see all the bits of foreshadowing. The spymaster line, the way O seemed so interested in the Doctor, or even the way he responded to the creatures by saying, "Oh wow. But why would they do that?" The way Sacha delivered that line made it seem like O wasn't surprised or scared at all, but I didn't catch it initially because of the intensity of everything else that'd just happened. O's reveal was already good on paper but Sacha made it BRILLIANT.
Daniel Holleman I agree with you because usually me and my parents figure out that it’s the master last minute and this took us by full surprise and i was thinking the plane was fake when his tardis was flying and when there is an actor who can play good but turn bad in the snap of your fingers, is a good actor especially if they turn into it and you can feel that change as well.
@@kevin10001 Eh. Simms didn't feel like the classic Master. Nor did Missy, for that matter. But that's kind of the point - the Master's personality changes when he regenerates just like the Doctor's does. This incarnation is particularly petulant and prone to mood swings.
"I did tell you to look for the SpyMASTER". I know it didn't work for some people, but Sacha Dhawan's reveal in 'Spyfall' totally hit me like a ton of bricks. I think it was because I was patting myself on the back for having figured out he was the villain but the idea that he was the Master never occurred to me.
Is it just me that really likes Tennant little hissy fit at wilf? It shows the vanity that Tennant had but he still has the overwhelming sense of duty to do the right thing. He believes this body and mind he has could be so good for the universe but he refuses to let anyone die for him so he gives it up anyway. Really shows his sense of right and wrong for me
I have mixed feelings. Love the character moment & all the development that led to it, but I do kinda feel like Tennant - Tennant, not Ten! - deserved better in a weird way. He brought so much joy to the whole experience of *being a Whovian* that the whole Lonely God downfall arc that served the character so well also seemed... almost insulting to the actor. It's not a fair criticism.... it was all incredibly well done & I do love it for the most part. But it does kinda leave a bad taste in my mouth, too.
Paul Mcgann in Night of the Doctor, Should have his own category: COMPUTER: A clear statement of your symptoms will help us provide the medical practitioner appropriate to your individual needs. CASS: I'm trying to send a distress signal. Stop talking about doctors. DOCTOR: I'm a doctor. But probably not the one you're expecting. *Shows Paul Mcgann...*
Marion Baggins I really, REALLY wish we’d gotten a proper season with the 8th Doctor. Paul McGann put on a brilliant performance in Night of the Doctor, and I think it’d be really cool to see what his adventures were like beyond the movie (which I haven’t seen and never plan to see). I know he’s worked on radio dramas but still.
@@MrLegendofLP Watch the movie, yh its not a good movie BUT Paul McGann is the Doctor spot on. (plus his TARDIS controllroom is my alltime favourite) Also, listen to the Audios, he is such a good Doctor, much like John Hurt. They have such a strong presents, you can almost see the Doctor infront of you. Not one performence of them is bad. Always spot on, always likeable storys. Paul McGann and John Hurt share my second place for the Doctor. Number one will always be Tom Baker, by far.
I remember hearing his voice...i jumped up, from my sofa "YES YES YES he is back!!! 17 years!!!!" And what a comeback it was. You just looked at him and you knew, yes you are the Doctor, he nailed the part, he looked the part, like he was never gone.
I wish Rory got more time with River. Emotionally speaking, I somewhat buy that Amy is River's mother, but she interacts so little with Rory! And when they do, it's never fatherly. Rory would have been such a good dad, I wish we got to see it.
the Missy reveal didn't shock me as much as the O reveal. i think it was because Missy was already kind of chaotic and mischievous before the reveal whereas O was a complete personality shift. Like we saw him as this cute awkward slightly bumbling but endearing tech genius guy but then the shift from that to the reveal i was literally there screaming "WHAT THE F*** SHUT UP" at my TV. bear in mind i had just come home from work at a busy restaurant on New Years Day so i was tired and annoyed this woke me up big time. Its the more recent version of the Derek Jacobi Master reveal and i love that reveal like you because of Jacobi's performance and Tennant's performance as well but honestly O was a literal bolt out of the blue.
A major reason for that is it was the first return of a pre-Chibnall era villain besides the New Year’s Dalek episode, and we already had 2 villains that episode.
I think Souffle Girl's reveal in Asylum of the Daleks deserves an honorable mention. It might've been one of the more obvious twists, but the execution was one of the most heartbreaking moments of the 11th Doctor's run.
One part I like about the Jacobi Master reveal is how the fact that he's a Time Lord comes up before we find out *which* Time Lord, so Jack thinks it sounds great but the Doctor seems to know pretty much immediately that it's not a good thing.
I have to love River's reveal as Amy and Rory's baby. Watching them through with my boyfriend knowing what was coming, he guessed she was the Doctor's wife right away and did not expect any further River-twists so its got him. It got him good he gasped and everything :D
Regarding the four knocks twist: I've been watching a lot of reaction videos this year and I love how most of the time it doesn't dawn on them until you see Tennant's face and it hits them.
Great video, but I feel the twist in Heaven Sent where it’s revealed that The Doctor has been experiencing the same events over and over again should have been on the list.
I know we weren't considering classic who but I loved the scene in Trial of a Timelord where the prosecutor asks Mel "well who were you sent by?" where upon Anthony Ainley's master appears on the screen and says in a big boomy voice "by me madam!" Turned out to have been tacked on at the last minute but wonderful all the same
Joe Clayton that was a great season and the first full season of classic era I got it also shows how the master can manipulate the matrix so in this last season he could have done it again with the timeless child reveal cause he stated in the episode he wanted to emotionally break the doctor and the "reveal" we go would do that cause it would make her rethink her whole existence even if it was true and it was the rani or romana or another timelord other then the master
@@kevin10001 The thing is... I would have believed it if it was Rassilon, because it was already revealed in the Five Doctors that Rassilon knew the secret of eternal regeneration. It being the Doctor.... made less sense. But, I will wait to watch the next season and figure it out then.
The McGann reveal in Night of The Doctor i literally screamed never ever had a reaction like that to any tv show/film is possibly my number one cos i wasn't spoiled was rumoured about 24hrs before airing but didnt believe it everything else i knew in advance so didnt have same affect but that being said your number 1 and 2 would be my number 2 and 3 as still got heart racing (actually so did Ruth's reveal!)
I remember hearing his voice...i jumped up, from my sofa "YES YES YES he is back!!! 17 years!!!!" And what a comeback it was. You just looked at him and you knew, yes you are the Doctor, he nailed the part, he looked the part, like he was never gone.
Maybe I would have tried to put in the O' Master plot twist in there somewhere instead of Missy's reveal? I love both Masters, but considering how many people guessed who Missy was, even at the first episode, while O took everybody by surprised, right at the beginning of the season... Yeah I think I would have exchanges those two.
What's even more interesting is that prior to the episode being released, there were a bunch of rumours claiming that Sacha Dhawan would play the Master. And people either forgot or figured that he was just playing someone else. Sadly, I could not watch the episode immediately without getting spoiled. I knew the Master returned but thought it was Daniel Barton before the fact that it was Sacha was spoiled for me as well
SoraKingdom3 Sacha master is a head scratcher cause how can the master be alive after season 10 and if it was an earlier version they never explained where in the time line he was from some of this could be said for Ruth's doctor as well cause they never explained where in the doctor's timeline she was from but it was heavily implied she was before William hartnell by console room and not knowing the sonic screwdriver that wasn't introduced until the 2nd doctor and sacha wasn't that good as the master
@@kevin10001 I didn't mind that much because... Well, in New Who, the Master always come back, even though he shouldn't be able to. I don't remember exactly how ended the Master at the end of season 4, but it did felt like he should have died for good, because coming back as Missy. And from what I heard, it wasn't that different in the classic (but don't quote me on that one, I barely know the classics)... So yeah, it's kind of a running gag with the Master. At least, that's how I see it.
@@kevin10001 As for Ruth... I'm not sure where she is. The fact she already named herself the Doctor, and has the police box Tardis (which got stuck in this form AFTER Hartnell stole it) make me feel she might not be from before the 1st Doctor. Same thing with the Screwdriver, once 13th named it, her reaction did implied she knew what it was, just not recognized it's appearance. I think her place in the timeline will be further explored during the next season, as the season 2b theory wasn't debunked yet.
I didn’t know who the Master was at that point but immediately knew it wasn’t a good thing because of everything I had picked up through the music building up as the watch opened and of course Derek Jacobi’s acting. Because the look in his eyes at that moment... wow!
see the reason I personally love the twist in utopia so much is because we see the fob watch and it calls back to family of blood. it’s a sudden reveal, sure, but what makes it work is the moment just before when he goes ‘oh this old thing...’ and its the damn watch that we all recognise. It’s great theming too because the family of blood was about how dark the doctor can be and about running away from himself in a lot of ways. so the setups there for us to see the fob watch and know there’s a lot of darkness inside there. it really makes the whole thing work on an extra level
If the BBC hadn't revealed in early 2005 that Christopher Eccleston was only doing one series of Doctor Who, that would have been an incredible twist in the last scene of Series One's 'Parting of the Ways'. The regeneration into David Tennant would have blown people's minds!
Doctor: "I read your file, you're a champion sprinter." Master: "Got me!" I cringed hard at that reveal especially since it was the doctor who youtube channel which spoilt me on that reveal.
Apparently when they got to that point in the initial read-through, they had to stop for like a whole minute because Tennant and Barrowman were laughing and cheering and jumping up and down.
Russell T. Davies was great at Easter Eggs. I knew the Cybermen v. Dalek crossover was coming because in post credit promo at the end of the pen-pen-ultimate episode there was 1sec (at most) showing a soldier being shot and his skeleton being outlined - Dalek style. I knew then what was coming. (And loved it!) Also, though he denies it, Mister Saxon IS an anagram of Master No. X and there may well have been ten actors playing the master by then. So we did all expect it.
I was watching this whole video thinking, "Jacobi's gotta be number one", and I was right! :) That gave me such chills. It still does, even though I know it's coming, because it's Derek Jacobi and he plays it so beautifully. I know he has Big Finish stories as the War Master, but OH, how I want him back on screen. Those five minutes he had were delicious, and I want more.
I can think of some runner up twists like oswin as a Dalek,captain Jack being the face of bo that came out of nowhere but it has nothing to do with the story the flow in that is captain Jack can't die the face of bo died but there are a lot of good ones but I like your list
Oswin as a Dalek would make my list, not just because of the reveal but the implication of all that's been going on since her arrival and all that her mind must be going through at that point.
Irrevenant3 I reckon when he was powering the motor way as The Face Of Boe he had to use the energy that Rose accidently gave him for 23 or so years as there was not enough electricty to keep the motor way going and think how far that motor way went on for therefore he is draining that energy out of him massivley and has he says I give you my last and the electrics start working more powerfully so I think he would have lasted forever but giving the energy away to power the city finshed him off a bit like Wolverine's healing factor fading over time and possibly some of that energy returend to the Tardis , sorry for the long reply but its very intresting :)
The other ones that come to mind for me are "I'm a Doctor, but", "Mr. Razor" and "Spy (*)beat(*) Master". While the image of the "hand from the stretcher, sonic screw driver falling" will always be a powerful scene to me, it is less impactful as a twist, due to the nature of the episode. Oh, wait, how could I forget one of the only fan-squeals I ever produced, closed captioning says "American Accent:..."
Your number one is my number one. I was gobsmacked when I realised Professor Yana was really the Master. And Derek Jacobi was phenomenal in this role, both roles!
I agree these are great but I have a special love for the O Master reveal in Spyfall P1. Some great honourable mentions too to: Rory the Auton in Pandorica Opens, the Doctor losing his memory of Clara in Hell Bent, Bonnie in Zygon Invasion, and Oswin being a Dalek in Asylum of the Daleks But maybe I just enjoy Moffat's era too much :)
I absolutely love the O twist, I was spoiled that the Master would be in it but I totally thought it would be the other guy! I swear they did that on purpose, for people who were "spoiled"
I do rather like that episode, and know a few other people who do too :) I know it's not perfect, but I find it enjoyable to watch, but, like I said, I'm a sucker for Moffat's era
@@WiloPolis03 The Ruth!Doctor twist was spoiled for me, yet I still have to admit I was shocked when I first saw it. Sometimes it's the way things are pulled off in Doctor Who that make them worthwhile
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That might take my number one spot for me. You just get to that point where you think the prophecy might not come true, that maybe he'll survive (even though you know he'll regen)...then you hear the knocks and it all falls apart. You immediately know who it is and exactly what the Doctor will do...because he's the Doctor. So much emotion in that scene.
I expected Missy to be the Rani not the Master. The whole experimental nature of the realm of the dead thing felt much more coldly calculating in that way the Rani was more a scientist than a conqueror.
@@maurinet2291 Up until they revealed the downloaded people were being converted into cybermen the whole realm sphere seemed a lot more coldly analytical. Gather all the informatuonnof human history in one place. Which seemed more like the Rani than the Master. Granted Classic Rani was incredibly inconsistent so I guess I was just hoping for a modern reimagining that did something worthwhile with the idea of the Rani cause classic who kind of wasted it.
Cult of Skaro reveal was awesome. I remember watching that at home with my wife - she audibly gasped when the Daleks appeared and we heard a simulataneous (but louder) gasp from next door - at the time we lived next to an old couple who we didn't even know watched Who.
As unpopular as an opinion can get I know, but I get chills every time I watch the final scene in Sleep No More where Rasmussen explains that the episode itself was a part of his trap. I'd never seen ANYTHING like that at the time, and it blew my fucking mind when I thought I was too old to get shocked or scared by the show.
The classic series got a lot of twists too, many of them are master reveals. I wont say the stories so you wont be spoiled in case you didn't see them yet, but especially Ainleys master had a tendency to be in some sort of disguise for an episode or two, and I usually didn't recognize him before the reveal. Also notable would be the watchers identity in logopolis and the twist at the end of the key to time. My number one spot for the classic series would be the twist in "the enemy of the world" that is the explanation why salamander is able to see earthquakes in advance. That was a great one.
Yes Utopia number one! I remember watching this one and like you say watching this sweet, warm, bumbling character change so suddenly was just so good! At the time I hadn't seen much classic Who but I imagine like most people in the UK, my parents had grown up watching it. So I'd heard about the Master (and hiding behind the sofa when the Daleks came on - it was a real thing), and hearing my mum gasp and squeal really added to the twist. I don't think I could do an entire list, but one twist I really enjoyed was from Series 9 and it was Sleep No More. The episode itself was a bit meh but that ending twist where, Rasmussen is actually a Sandman and his been using the episode to send the electronic signal out to turn everyone into Sandman. It's just so unnerving. Especially his last line of 'You've got something just there, in the corner of your eye' and that laugh at the end. God just thinking about it sends a shiver down my spine.
Audience: so who is this Ruth person? Chibs: bam she's the doctor Audience: wow! I wasn't expecting that she's a really good doctor Chibs: now back to Jodie Audience: oh. I quite liked her Chibs:bugger
Bummer for you guys, I've quite enjoyed Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor. I may not have loved every episode, but her performance for me has always spot on.
The main difference it made having a bit more classic who knowledge was that as soon as Derek Jacobi pulled the watch out I went "oh fuck, it's going to be The Master isn't it...". People not getting the Missy thing surprised me because that is about the only thing in any show I ever predicted in advance. The Missy short for Mistress connection sunk in for me a minute or so after she introduced herself.
I can think of a few good twists in classic Who. 1. The reveal of the Time Lords at the end of The War Games 2. The end of Genesis of the Daleks 3. The end of The Key to Time 4 the Valeyard
1 - The Impossible Astronaut (The Doctor dies) 2 - Utopia (You Are Not Alone) 3 - Heaven Sent (Breaking the wall) 4 - World Enough and Time (...Someone's former Prime Minister) 5 - The End of Time (The Time Lords return!) 6 - The Name of the Doctor (The War Doctor) 7 - Curator (You know, I really think you might) 8 - Extremis (The world is a lie) 9 - The Magician's Apprentice (Davros. My name is Davros.) 10 - Vincent and the Doctor (Vincent dies anyway)
@@cicada.and.pomegranate - I'd say it is a plot twist, given that the whole episode (particularly the last 15 minutes) is built up to Vincent being saved and history being changed. The lack of twist *is the twist.* It's really nicely done.
For me this would probably just be a list of Master reveals. My favourite is actually the return of John Simm in The Doctor Falls, and the co-reveal of the Mondassian Cybermen. I do also enjoy the O reveal. I prefer that to the Ruth reveal.
LOVE the list videos! Completely agree with your number one. I personally would have included The Face of Bo. Not that it was groundbreaking or anything-it would be on the lower end. But it hit me harder than some of the others you mentioned. The number two I don't remember getting that worked up about. I think my expectations for the Fiftieth started and ended with Eleven and Ten riffing on each other, and I wasn't excited for another incarnation to muddy the waters.
An unpopular opinion here, but I love Sleep No More and the reveal of Rassmussen as a sandman is one of my favourites in the show. It is very much an Inside No. 9-esque reveal, as is the whole episode, somewhat unsurprising with Shearsmith appearing, and the reveal of the sandman Rassmussen is just [to me at least] a glorious crescendo of unease to the small clues that something is off throughout the episode [certain camera angles, the lack of an opening title sequence and Rassmussen's different personalities in the episode and as a sandman].
You could say Rory seeing his future self on the hill in the hungry earth ties into his death. It's also a story of how people behave when they lose people, and we get to see that in our main cast if only briefly at the end.
Any twist reveal of the master is always great. Shocked that O wasn't on here. At least for me that was the most iv been interested in who in the past 2 years (not likes chib or Jodie) but that made me sit up and loose my shit like oh shit my favorite Villian is back let's fucking go baby ye 😂
Great list, nice birthday present. One correction: the drums the master hears has a four beat rhythm. It represents the beating of a time lords two hearts (lub-dub lub-dub). I have to agree with your number one. Jacobi really sold the whole reveal. Too me the reveal of Ruth was #2. Starting with The Family of Blood we knew about time lords have a way of hiding their true selves inside something (a pocket watch in that case). That was our only hint for Jacobi's Doctor (but I missed it also). In Ruth's case they could not have her carry a pocket watch, because it would be too big a hint pulling the same trick 3 times. I thought making the device an emergency alarm button was brilliant. I suspect you ranked it #5 because almost no one liked the reveal of the Rest of Ruth's origin.
If you’ve listened to Big Finish, then you’ll love the War Doctor and the War Master even more. The War Doctor boxsets with the late John Hurt was the first ever boxsets I ever got from Big Finish and is why I still to this day buy their new boxsets when they come out, and I love it! Not only can we hear John Hurt’s amazing voice, we also get to hear what it was like in the Time War and how much pain the Doctor had to go through in it. And then we have the Jonathon Carley stuff, which I think is also amazing because in those boxsets we get to hear the War Doctor in his early days, even as far back as right after he regenerated in Night Of The Doctor. And Jonathon is just so good as the War Doctor. The War Master in Big Finish is just so much fun, I LOVE it! Derek Jacobi does a phenomenal job at portraying the Master and the writers behind these boxsets are just so good (the writers in Big Finish are generally amazing at their job, but they do an exceptionally great job at the War Master Boxsets!) the writing along with the acting by Derek was what made this incarnation my favorite Master of all time! Both the War Master and the War Doctor is worth the money and then some! (Just as a taste of what the boxsets are about, the latest boxset of the War Master is him going on trial with the judges being a new, mysterious race of Time Lord legend and the Master has to convince the judges that he is innocent, and (this is not a spoiler since he is on the cover art) as a last resort, the War Master calls the tenth Doctor to help him and we finally get to hear the tenth Doctor and the War Master reuniting! Phenomenal stuff! Anyway, that was my ramble on two of the best series of Big Finish!
If they could have kept John Simm coming back as Razor a secret that could have been #1. That missed opportunity makes me sad- that could have been Moffat's best.
I'm struggling to call that a twist, more like the revelation of mystery. In my mind, to count as a twist it has to be contrary to what we had previously believed. If it had been implied that, say, Omega or someone like that was leaving the Bad Wolf messages, but THEN it turned out to be Rose, I'd call that a twist. As-is neither we nor the characters had any idea.
Totally agree with #1, I wasn’t that much aware of the Master at the time I originally watched it either. I would’ve put Sacha Dhawan’s reveal somewhere in the top 10. And Jo Martin’s Doctor a bit higher. What a greatly entertaining list! I love this kind of videos.
I'm glad s12 Master reveal wasn't here. I think for a twist to be a good twist it should make you excited and almost shocked even if you knew it was coming. On my every rewatch, most of the ones they've listed never fail to get a strong reaction from me, but that Spymaster reveal was already spoiled to me (thanks to dw official ig account), and the episode did nothing to get me excited for the return of one of my fav characters.
Cult of Skaro reveal should be higher in the list than Missy reveal being The Master, to me it was obvious. Everything with Moffat wasn't done well, he keeps spoiling everything to early. Davies knew what he was doing, the 4 knocks, established as the Master, twisted to possibly being the return of the Timelords, then as a final twist... it's Wilf and Bad Wolf, is Bad Wolf the Doctor, a new enemy? Oh the return of the Daleks? Or even specifically the Dalek Emporer?... No it's Rose with the Time Vortex in her head. 4 knocks should be number 2, Bad Wolf should be number 1. Derek Jacobi as the Master, close 3rd place. Can't believe you didn't even have Bad Wolf in your list?!
I would have included Tom Baker's unexpected appearance in "Day of the Doctor." Nobody, and I mean NOBODY saw it coming. As an old school fan, I recognised the voice instantly and started hyperventilating. Plus, it kind of plays into the Timeless Children a wee bit... (Sorry, I know I lose points for mentioning that...)
I caught the jacket/no jacket thing when it first aired. Tremendous long game writing and acting. I like your list! I would add the Doctor/Donna reveal, tho. After she's zapped by Davros, gets up and saves their asses... wow! And then so heartbreaking. TFS 💖🦅🦅
A few personal favourites (not saying they should have made the cut because they're all pretty small, but I love them anyways) - Nancy is Jamie's 'mummy', the doctor dances - Jack is (maybe?) The face of Bo, last of the timelords - baby Melody was a flesh avatar (hit me way harder than the Amy one tbh), a good man goes to war - the doctor had been there for thousands of years, heaven sent - It was all a computer simulation, Extremis - O is the master, spyfall
I gotta agree with everyone who mentioned Night of the Doctor. It may have had more emotional impact than any other twist on any show, at least for me. But there's one other big twist you didn't mention--the reveal of Oswin as a Dalek.
SERIES 3 SPOILERS: Remember the maniac and invasive Toclafane spheres the Master used in the Series 3 finale to invade the Earth? Remember they turned out to be the innocent and hopeful people who were brought to "Utopia" by Professor Yana (Master). They all got mad when Utopia turned out to be a lie and their brains were transformed into those robots. That was... really... a great twist and a very sad one.
1) Yana 2) O- Master reveal 3) Time Lords' reveal in End of Time 4) Daleks reveal in Army of Ghosts 5) McGann in Night of the Doctor 6) War Doctor reveal 7) Reveal of what the Tocclofaine are in Last of the Timelords 8) Captain Jack is the Face of Boe 9) Amy and Rory's daughter killed the Doctor- Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon 10) The Pandorica is for the Doctor Classic Who: Timelords revealed in War Games Ace's mum was the Baby The Daleks were working with the Master in Frontier in Space Valeyard reveal in Trial of a Timelord The Sontarans were behind the Vardens in Invasion of Time The Brigadier kills the Silurians The Cybermen were revealed to be controlling the androids in Earthshock The Master steals Tremas' body Skaroth is already in the past in City of Death The Doctor is the Evil One in Face of Evil (That's all I could think of)
I can understand why this twist did not make your list, but I have to admit that I was pleasantly shocked when Agent "O" was revealed to be The Master at the end of Spyfall Part 1. I kind of like it a little bit more than the reveal of Missy as the Master.
1. I completely called Missy. It wouldn't have made by list. 2. Jo Martin wouldn't have either to be honest. It was already done and I don't like that it sets up and supports. She's a great actor and a decent Doctor, but I'm just left going "eh". It was executed pretty well though, that I can't quite argue with. 3. My brother and I noticed 11's jacket too! I loved that retcon 4. Rassilon is one of the best twists ever! But, the 4 knocks take the cake over it. Such a masterful subversion. 5. Your top two are probably mine, yeah. I'm have to agree with you. What about the Dhawan reveal? The Curator? Davros in The Magician's Apprentice? The McGann reveal?
I know you don’t like mystery boxes, but I think the handling of Bad Wolf was really well done. Maybe the only well done one. It est built you as this big bad or a prophecy and then we find out it’s actually Rose and she’s there to save the world, but destroy it.
Like you, I rarely see twists coming, which is why I wouldn't put the Missy reveal on my list. As much as I love Michelle Gomez's performance, I saw it coming a mile away. Spyfall reveal is very high on my list.
I can't remember. Had capaldi been cast at the point of the reveal of John hurt? I honestly don't remember being that excited or bemused by it. I'm wondering if I just assumed he would be the next doctor. I knew about Yana being the master. I don't even remember how I knew because I didn't watch any dr who you tube videos or wasn't involved in any doctor who pages or forums back then. I did knew exactly what the face of boe meant by his dying words, I knew that Derek jacobi would play the master, and then regerate into simm, and simm would continue to be the master, I didn't know that jacobi would be presented as a human, but as soon as I saw jacobi, it didn't take me long to cotten on what was going on. I knew what his yana related too. I think someone must have told me. Now when I hear spoilers and theories I just take them with a pinch of salt and they don't even stay in brain. Example I did read about sasha being cast as the master, but I'd completely forgotten I'd read it until I saw the reveal. That's how much I don't pay attention to this stuff now. I wish I hadn't have known, but if I hadn't have known, at the time of reveal I wouldn't have idea who the master was. I only knew because someone told me along with info about who exactly the master was, so it might not actually have impacted me that much if it hadn't have been spoiled. O being revealed as the master is one of favourite twists. The scult of scaro also took my breath away. I honestly didn't spot that razor was the master. Again I knew he was returning so it should have been obvious, but I didn't spot it and still found it exiting. Not really a twist but I was very existed by both capaldi's and bakers appearance in the day of the doctor.
Re your Capaldi question, I think he had already been cast as the 12th Doctor when the John Hurt reveal happened but the general public didn't actually find out until August when they had a big televised reveal for it
Very intresting find regarding the coat wonder where the Doctor of that ep went if his future self goes back at that point , I just rememberd the hints about certain planets and the bees going missing due to Davros but I dont remember why he effects the bees going missing might be a differnet reason , Awesome Video hugs :)
One twist I'd put in for classic Who is Adric actually dying. While he may not have been the first, companions didn't die. They always got away or where saved by the Doctor. Watching that episode as it aired I kept thinking, he'll be saved, the Doctor will save him....then he didn't. Some might argue that was a good thing he wasn't saved but it was still unexpected.
