Euron’s story is the greatest atrocity to me. He would’ve been a more sadistic, and arguably more brutal villain than Ramsay, instead of some Jack Sparrow wannabe.
Right?! The books tell us of a this sinister man who’d sailed all the waters, drank warlock wine and that’s just scratching the surface, the show gave us a brooding pirate with one of the least satisfying deaths plus lacking screen presence in general.. egh.
@@hunglejewel you may! He was arguably the darkest character, known for travelling the world, partaking in the darkest of magics, cutting out the tongues of his own crew.. the list goes on with this guy. But so much more happens with this character in the books, even up to now where he’s most likely plotting something mind blowing. I’d have more of an in depth review but I’m slightly rusty 😂👍🏻
To add to Ramsay's monstrous nature, he didn't just cut off Theon's fingers. He flayed the skin from them and left Theon in pain. He only cut off the fingers after Theon had begged fue to the agony. The books mention that the first time this happened, Theon tried to bite the finger off to end the pain, but was caught and punished for it.
Nick, it's still my hope that in the books, where Ramsay is still alive, he will somehow find himself as the prisoner of Euron Greyjoy, who will proceed to teach him what real psychopathy and real torture are. That would be the ultimate karma for him. Ramsay fancies himself a badass but compared to the real psychos he's still just a spoiled little boy playing with knives.
Mathias Saumur Morissette+ They have the violence in the show tuned down for a reason. Some scenes in the books would just be so downright disgusting to film even HBO wouldn’t accept it. I highly doubt some of these actors would even act on these scenes. Sansa’s rape caused lots of uproar and it was a rape that happens off screen.
Aegon in the books isn't confirmed and is really questionable. He may actually be a Blackfyre. Jorah doesn't have Grey Scale. Jon Connington (Griff) does.
Honestly cat is one of my fav characters in the book... but as a mother myself maybe that's why I'm drawn to her. Tyrion is just as amazing and jamie in the book is my outstanding best! TV done him sooo dirty
The character I missed most of all was patchface. He was so cryptic and mysterious such an intriguing character. The books are so much better than the show and I loved the show until season 6 when it sold its soul for special effects.
Been a long time since I read the books but as I recall, the Waif isn't a total bitch towards Arya in the books. Also, Arya being a warg is described in a fair amount of detail.
Daniel Kunkle "waif" is in fact, a sort of a friend to arya, teaching her about great many things, while personally taking lessons of the common tounge from arya. same can be said about other members of the faceless men. as for Arya being a warg, it is the main reason why she is doing so well over there, in fact, that may have been the reason they recruited her
Not except Sansa. They are all wargs, as GRRM has confirmed. Sansa just doesn't have her wolf so her warg/skinchanging powers haven't awoken yet. We also don't know if Robb's ever did, or if Rickon's have yet. Bran, Jon and Arya are the only confirmed Stark wargs in the sense that they have actually used their powers.
There have been major differences since season 2 (think Robb's marriage or the Battle for Blackwater Bay), but it first started really deviating from the books in season 4.
season 1 was the only one that was actually accurate in my opinion. season 2 already had many different things, like Cersei trying to poison Tommem or Robb actually imprisoning Cat for releasing Jaime. Though most were not differences that overall changed the plot.
You neglected what I think is one of the most important changes between the books and the show: Robb's marriage. In the books he breaks his oath to Walder Frey because in a fragile state he sleeps with an unmarried noble lady and values her honor above his. Frey then betrays him for it. It later turns out that the whole thing was a Lannister scheme, including the attempt to make Robb fall in love with the young Jeyne Westerling. In the show however he falls in love with a field nurse in what is a glorified Disney story and completely abandons his plight. This totally undermines both the intrircacy of the scheme in the books and the character of Robb Stark, who valued duty above all and was a brilliant strategist who acknowledged the severity of the war they were in.
Concerning Bronn, I have always wondered why a sellsword who used to work for the attainted younger brother would become Jamie's companion and second in command of Lannister forces. Did the Lannisters have no competent generals in their whole army? I expect the changes are fan service, since Jerome Flynn is so popular.
Probably, however Bronn is also hinted to have participated in sieges before, so perhaps Jaime knows exactly what sieges they were, and as such recruited him for the upcoming siege of Riverrun. His cunning for and dirty tactics could have also played part in it, as maybe Jaime needed him to find a quick way to end the siege instead of starving them out like the other commanders would do. Its probably fan service, though.
This is based in the medieval times where family name, honor, rank, and prestige take charge so yeah this is fan-fiction. The idea some sell-sword could take charge of army and lead men whose names are carved in the history books is near impossible. In the books he married lloys stokeworth and is in charge of Stokeworth castle with a small force of mercenaries after dodging an assassination attempt by his new brother-in-law with the backing of cersei.
Bronn was training Jamie how to reuse a sword. He didn't want anybody else knowing about it so he was paid well for his silence. Bronn also didn't sugar coat it when he practiced with him. Jamie was a great swordsman at one time, so he seen the actual skills Bronn possessed,therefore could use him as a sword arm if need be.
Honesty if the show was exacly lke this books then most people would just feel too disgusted to actually wanna see it. the things that goes down in the novels is just baffling and i cant imagine any director wanting to shoot a scene like that.
Nick Armstrong You don't have to add those parts. You can tone down certain scenes. But still follow the overall plot. And its not like they ever showed Jeyne have sex with the dog in the books. It was only implied.
Nick Armstrong Agreed! Honestly, this video made me happy I didn't read the books. I appreciate the simple, condensed version of the show. I easily concluded that Ramsay was capable of ANYTHING. I didn't need D&D to show it all to me.
Okay, I'm sorry but I have to comment on this. First of all, there was no logic involved about Stannis' defeat. Just plot armor and a story that made no sense. D&D have been demonizing Stannis from the start. Stannis truely is a champion of light and good in the books. Even though I don't like commenting on the show as it is a D&D fanfiction, Stannis had good intentions about sacrificing Shireen. It was one life vs a million. "I never asked for this crown. Gold is cold and heavy on the head, but so long as I am the king, I have a duty … If I must sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark … Sacrifice … is never easy, Davos. Or it is no true sacrifice" - Stannis, to Davos Seaworth He did not sacrifice her for power as you foolishly stated. Stannis is obsessed with duty, honor and justice. His duty as king made him go north and save the realm vs the Others, aswell as the wildling attack. His duty as king was to offer the wildlings salvation.. and yet again, his duty as king made him rally the north behind him to crush the Bolton theives and seat a Stark at Winterfell, uniting every northener under the Stark banner to fight the Others. In the books, the snowstorm is a thousand times worse than the show, and about 70 people dies becouse of it. Stannis yet won't sacrifice anyone. Not even Theon, a prisoner of war who deserves death for his crimes. Clayton Suggs - "A sacrifice will prove our faith still burns true, Sire." Godry the Giantslayer - "The old gods of the north have sent this storm upon us. Only R'hllor can end it. We must give him an unbeliever." Stannis - "Half my army is made up of unbelievers. I will have no burnings. Pray harder." Stannis will not, and can not sacrifice Shireen in the books. It would make no sense to do so aswell. Stannis is at Crofters' Villiage, which is weeks away from Castle Black (Shireens location). People do not teleport in the books. Meaning Stannis have no chance in hell to get there as he is preparing for the Battle of Ice.. and winter is coming. Stannis would only sacrifice Shireen in a extremely hard situation if it ment saving the realm or not. Stannis have not killed anyone in the books, who did not deserve it. Only people who had committed serious crimes. Yet you speak of him as he would be a villain. Even show Stannis who have been butchered by D&D from the start, is still the best person to sit the throne.
Mathias Eriksson thank you for actually knowing your a song of ice and fire knowledge. It's so hard to explain how great a character Stannis is to people who haven't read the books. You just nailed his character right on the hesd
Ben Ortiz Thank you, and I know your struggle. I can paste a text twice as long as this, on top of this one.. and maybe then I would be satisfied. Once you understand Stannis' greatness, you're a stannerman for life.
D&D handed stannis's battle to Jon Snow. Even with two fucking seasons to do the northern campaign, they fail again and again to do the proper northern conspiracy. Will Stannis sacrifice Shireen himself? maybe. Stannis's faith in R'hllor is shaky at best, and GRRM has always portrayed him as, in his words, "in spite of everything he is a righteous man." Stannis has not had any true sacrifice yet. Edric Storm is a boy of little importance. Alester Florent, Mance Rayder, and the Peasebury cannibals have all committed crimes. I think the show did a good job portraying that Stannis truly loved Shireen, but the sacrifice scene was rushed with little to no justification. will stannis sacrifice his greatest love for the realm? yes. But it will be for his duty, not his ambition. Stannis's entitlement and ambition ran out when he arrived at the wall. He knows that he should be saving the realm to win the throne and restore the north even if it means he will die. Even if you consider 20 good men to be reasonable, what happens after is a farce. all the sellswords left with horses, so they still have a considerable number of horses. if they eat all of the horses left, stannis still has near 6000 men, well fed, with spears, against the bolton vanguard. Easy win. season 5 has no logic at all. If they cut the dornish bullshit and get rid of the pretty but useless episode of hardhome, a proper battle of ice is easily achievable.
One of the biggest differences could be the actor's portrayal of Brienne. She played her completely different from what was written giving her a bold, confident and cocky edge which she never had in the book.
the circumstance is everything. shireen is at the wall. stannis's battle with roose is no justification for her sacrifice. stannis is gonna be in the battle for dawn and shireen's death will make sense with that. jon's season 6 plot is a rip off of stannis's northern campaign in a dance with dragons.
I actually think Stannis will do it because the only character who will suffer would be him. GRRM wants to portray the battles within the human heart. Melisandre and Val sacrificing Shireen is no true sacrifice. However context is everything. First Stannis needs to win winterfell, then the walkers have to storm south to make the situation desperate enough.
Perhaps Robb Stark's marriage deserves a mention as well. In the books he marries a western noble (Jeyne Westerling). And his wedding to her was actually a plan devised by Tywin Lanister and Sybelle Westerling. Also, leaving out the visions in the House of the Undying was ill-advised. Those visions have been a MAJOR influence on all of Daenerys' actions in and after "A storm of swords".
And to add to that, there is a possibility that Brynden Tully has run off with the real Jeyne Westerling who may be pregnant with Robb's heir (or that Brynden will impregnate Jeyne and that they'll pass off the child as Robb's heir). This theory mostly rests on the greatly contrasting descriptions of Jeyne by Catelyn and Jaime in their POV chapters and speculation.
@@stanleylee5358 GRRM said that the difference in description was an accident and it was a mistake he made I just thought that it was because different people were describing her and Jamie’s judgey 😂
@@Omggeex True. However, it does leave open to GRRM using that as a backdoor in the future if it ever came to it. Though, I do vaguely remember an interview where he said one of the painful parts of being a writer in this modern era is that information travels between fans too quickly and very soon readers zero in on mistakes and best ideas and see exactly where the author is going. I think he was referencing R+L=J with this. Throwing a curve ball wrecks his own story because the curve would have no setup. Sticking with the original plan and confirming popular reader theories will seem predictable and uninspired. I think instances of mistakes like these, are kind of a blessing, in that they usually fly under the radar and end up becoming an out while still maintaining a modicum of justification.
Basically Brienne was given the choice of “sword or noose”. Sword refers to her taking her sword, going to find Jaime and kill him or, Noose; be hanged. She said she refused make that choice so she, Ser Hyle and Podrick were hanged, during the hanging “she screamed a word” and most people believe the word she said was “sword”, choosing to kill Jaime Lannister.
@@kingnikolai5799 She might also have screamed HONOR because that's what she cherished most. Or maybe even the name of the gay king she was in love with...I forget his name...the one killed by the shadow.
It’s been a while since I’ve read it, but I believe it says she’s shouts “one word”, it doesn’t tell us what it is, and in a later chapter she is free with no explanation, looking beat and tired, she finds Jaime, telling him that she found one of the Stark girls, and he goes with her. It seems like it is probably a trap. I don’t think we definitely know what the word was, unless there are some other preview chapters out there that I missed.
You forgot the BIG difference between the REAL House Martell of Dorne of the books and the LAME travesty of the TV series. Not to forget the show's substitution of the rivers and marshes of the Rhoyne for the fiery, volcano dominated smoking shores of Valyria.
Not really, I thought the Arianne storyline was pretty lame. Still though the show made it 100x worse. About the only positive thing was they got rid of Darkstar, who sucked absolute ass.
AmaR A Ellaria isn't Satan incarnated in the books. Matter of fact, she is the complete opposite: She actively dissuades her daughters from seeking vengeance for Oberyn. Myrcella doesn't die.
@@ramaboy10 The 3 oldest Sand Snakes (Obara, Nym and Tyene) all wanted to start a war with the Lannisters in revenger for Oberyn, but in different ways Obara wanted to take a force to attack King's Landing; Nymeria wanted to assassinate Tywin, Jaime, Cersei and Tommen; and Tyene wanted to crown Myrcella as queen since she was the rightful monarch after Joffrey according to Dornish law (In Dorne, the eldest child is the heir regardless of gender). In response, Doran locked them all up But Doran's daughter Arianne took up Tyene's plan and ran away with Myrcella planning to crown her as queen (mainly because she thought that her father meant to disinherit her as heir in favour of her brother, and this was an act of rebellion) It turned out that Doran had made a secret marriage pact that meant thay Arianne would marry Viserys Targaryen when they got older. But since Viserys was dead, Doran sent his son Quentyn to Meereen to ask Dany to marry him and bring the Targaryen dynasty back to Westeros
no mention to the assassination of stanniss character on the show? oh yes I forgot that D&D shitted him so much that they turned him into a filler character that Noones remembers
Nop. About Shireen's death, the writers of the show said "when GRRM told us about it...", spoiling the girl's fate (like, if I may, assholes). But no mention of Stannis, who isn't in the same situation at all.
im not talking about his death but about destruction of stannis's character.they turned stannis into a religious fanatic in order to make dany and jon look cooler
MrDexter eh I didn't like stannis in the books either, so i didn't care what they did with stannis anywho.That's just me though. And I don't think they made it so Dany and Jon would look cooler. Stannis was kinda square and I didn't like it. It was probably just to get rid of him to move the story along faster.
its not a coincidence that stannis's fanbase are book readers.show writers are obsessed with dany,tyrion,jon,arya and thats why they destroyed any other plot in order to focus more on them and make them more likable
Hey guys can you help? In the video the guy said Aegon Targaryen was rehygar Targaryen’s son, making Him nephew to Danny Targaryen. I’m confused on the part of Aegon being Danny’s nephew.
To all the people complaining about changes, you need to realize that it's much easier to narrate a story in a book than it is to film it. Some parts of the story have to be altered on screen in order to aid in its progression. For instance, the book version of a story can introduce multiple characters that wouldn't have the required air time to develop in a movie. If they introduced all the book characters, plot progression would be impeded and viewers would be confused. Also certain characters would look too grim and their make up would be to complicated if they were to appear exactly as they are described in the books (ex. Tyrion and Theon).
some names have to change also. because people get confused watching the show. Theon's sister was actually Asha in the books, and another woman was named Osha, but they changed Greyjoy woman's name to Yara. also, there are no White Walkers in the books. They're named "Others", but they changed it too so people won't get confused by the term "other" and think it means someone else or sth.
@@hanieh_art Even so, The Others isn't that difficult to discern, the same as OSHA and Asha. It doesn't justify the very mediocrity used to character development in later seasons.
@@hanieh_art, actually, Others were occassionally referred to as white walkers and the whole thing about changing names so people don’t get confused is stupid. It’s a very minor thing but if people who read the books don’t get confused, i’m pretty sure people who watch the shows can handle it especially since you can see what the character looks like in the show
All of the Starks being Wargs would have been nice on the show. Bran-Summer, Jon-Ghost, Arya-Nymeria, Sansa-Lady, Rickon-Shaggydog and Robb-Greywind. Who all take the personality of their respective owners. Not to mention most of the wolves are alive in the books. Well 4 of them are sans Lady/Grey Wind.
The Bronn storyline would never happen in the show because Lena Headey and Jeromy Flynn signed a contract to make sure that they'd never be in a scene together, because they previously had a relationship that ended badly
+Paddy .Cook yeah I thought about that, but I guess Headey and Flynn didn't mind bcus it's only for a two seconds and they don't even look at each other, let alone speak to each other
Doctor Trails I'd heard the whole thing about them dating, and then hating each other's guts. It kind of explains how Jerome Flynn is never on the Q&A panels, despite playing such a popular character. But I don't buy the 'contract' bit, since a contract is legally binding, and no corporation would leave themselves open to legal proceedings by asking actors to breach the terms of their contracts.
I agree, Book Euron is a real menace, who raped his brother's wife, he announces himself by having Dragonbinder (a horn that can supposedly bind dragon's to the master's will). Show Euron is like the drunk uncle and black sheep of the family.
Oh... Something that should be on this list because it is huge: the iron born. No kings moot, no dragon horn, they change 'Asha' to 'Yara', Balon's other two brothers, the highest priest of the drowned God, and Victarion, the commander of the fleet, aren't even mentioned. In the books it's Victarion that sails his fleet to Mireen to ally with Dany etc etc. The Ironborn parts are so changed only how much of a jerk Balon is remains the same.
In my opinion it's better to watch the series first and then read the books, because in this way you could imagine all the charachters and not get confused. (Although I always prefer to read the book first, but not in that case obviously :D ) I think that if you just decide to read the books without knowing how the charachters look like and what are their relashionships with one another, you might get really confused and might lose interest in continuing the story. But I can honestly say that the books give you much more interesting details and helps you to understand each and every charachter in depth.
The downside of this is that a show watcher might very well view the characters through the lenses of the show and then attribute things to them that were invented by the creators. Considering how many of them are exact opposite to their book counterparts (e.g. Lannisters bear no resemblance to what ended up on the screen, to name just one example), divorcing yourself from the show version might be quite a problem.
Elisha Nguyen He conveniently forgets to mention that's it's physically impossible to kill her at this point in the books. Not only that but he neglects to mention Jon's season 6 storyline is practically my dance of dragons arc . He also forgets Ser Davos' secret mission as well as the night lamp theory
2 words: Dorne plot :( Even my friends (who don't read the books and only watch the show) told me, "that sand snake story was kinda lame." That's what happens when ya leave out Arianne and Young Griff! You get crappy writing.
The Sand Snakes sucked. If you actually read the initial Dorn chapters in the novels you see that the Sand Snakes only appeared at the very start of the third novel. They were like a tiresome wank-fantasy of Robert E Howard, with their scornfully flashing eyes and their highly improbable martial superiority over men. The story then rolls on to its actual point, ie to Doran Martell and his wayward and ambitious daughter Arianne, and Doran's long game to change the 'constitution' of Westeros by assimilating the rest of Westeros with Dornish law - under which a girl child has equal right of inheritance with a boy, which, according to Dornish genealogies, places Arianne Martell as the rightful heir to the Seven Kingdoms. The Sand Snakes in the novels are nowhere near as lethal as they think they are. When one of them comes up before Areoh Hotah demanding audience with Doran Martell while Hotah merely regards her with weary contempt., her aggressive, threatening manner prompts Hotash to tacitly hope she won't push him to reveal how dexterous he truly is with his ceremonial axe. When they implement their plot in conjunction with Arianne to kidnap Cersei's niece to hold her hostage Doran Martell's intelligence is so accurate that he is aware of the plot as it starts and is able to apprehend all of the conspirators individually. Which hardly makes him the weak ruler of the tv series. Basically, in the novels, the sand snakes are just a footnote in the Dorn segment, which actually prioritises Doran Martell and his fractious relationship with his daughter, who considers him as a weak man. Perhaps the reconciliation of Doran and Arianne are the real narrative thrust of the Dorn segment of the novels.
Well, perhaps they didn't want to wait until Martin finished all his books? Furthermore, nothing is taken away from the fans of the book: You can still read it. What is there to gain anyway from watching the show, if you already know all the plots?
testthewest123 past season 5 everything is less of an adaptation and more of D&D's bs. I was so excited to see Alexander Siddqui as Doran but they killed him off and for what? And Stannis wasn't supposed to die plus many other storylines and characters that could have made the show more interesting were cut out and for what? Basically they are making a adaption of GRRM's books but if they wanted to do a different take on a ASOIAF they could have just said so. I'm a fan of the show because of seasons 1-4 but now everything is marred by bad pussy, torture porn, shock-factor deaths and ruining GRRM'S tale.
I love how you start out by saying it follows the books closely. That may have been the case earlier, but it's not even close to the books anymore. It's taken a huge left turn.
***** First you say it's surpassed the books and that's why they're different and then you say it's a level above the books. Make up your mind you tool. And it hasn't just surpassed, it has clearly taken the story in a completly different direction you asshat. And maybe you should learn to accept not everybody sees it the same way you do. Stop being such a little child and accept it.
***** Oh dear me a grammar nazi. When you have no arguments you can always try grammar. The last stand of the idiot. We can do this in my language if you like? Yes, no, maybe? Nothing like little children trying to act up online. It just doesn't get anymore pathetic then that.
***** So i misunderstood a word. That completly fucked it up for you? You could not understand anything i wrote. You just changed the subject because you have no argument. In my head i couldn't really understand somebody would say it surpassed it in everyway because of cinematography and music. That is just mind numbingly stupid. Doesn't even have anything to do with what i wrote. Compeltely indifferent, but hey i misunderstood a word so i'm the idiot. Again you little child, go fuck yourself. Did you understand that little boy.
***** You don't get angry online. The word you're looking for is annoyed, cause you're an anoying little boy. And the majority of people like transformers and Donald Trump. So conrgats, you're part of a huge group of idiots. But you're right the cinematography and music is much better in the show then the books.lmfao. And i've never ones in my life heard any self respecting adult use the word asshat. You're not fooling anybody kid.
@@88happiness Hand of the King (Mad King Aerys) after Tywin who was given "a simple task" to catch Robert Baratheon as he was hiding in a town called Stony Sept. Connington failed and was expelled. Which actually saved his life, as Jaime killed his follower along with Mad King
@@SuperCosty2010 Thanks. I guess I should reread the books. His name seems so 'normal' compared to the other people. There are a couple of them in the book and they always seem out of place.
Could you do a video on little things that were changed for zero reason...like Asha or Yara being bisexual-even though she had a steady boyfriend in the books? (the diversity is great, but why not put in Dany and Cersei's experiences vs make up something)
"All of Roose Bolton's sons" WTF?! There was just one, Domeric, and Ramsay supposedly poisoned him, after Domeric decided to invite his bastard brother and meet him. Roose has no other children yet, Walda hasn't given birth yet in the books. "They convince the Boltons that she is really Arya" No, they don't. Roose knows she's fake, he just doesn't care. Ramsay probably knows, too. Jeyne suspects that he knows and hates her for it (of course it is, Ramsay has class issues and hates the fact he was born a bastard, so he must be pissed off that he only got a fake Stark heiress). The Boltons just want to convince the Northern lords that she is really Arya. It's for that reason that they needed to have Theon at the wedding, so he could "confirm" she was really Arya Stark, and it's also why they keep her locked up and don't show her much to the Northern lords after the wedding, for fear someone will figure out the truth. Whether the assembled Northern lords suspect/know she's fake is a matter of opinion and less clear. Many readers think they do realize she's fake, and that this is exactly why they're not doing much to help her (as opposed to the clansmen who are miles away and think she's really Arya, and who are ready to go to war to protect "Ned's little girl"). It's a big theme in the books, the way that common people are used and discarded by the nobles as if they aren't even human - and it's an especially important theme in Theon's arc. His biggest crime was not "betraying the Starks" as Benioff and Weiss think, but the murder of two innocent children, who he had killed just to pass them on as Bran and Rickon. Pre-Reek Theon was a massive douchebag, arrogant, entitled, and treated lower class people like crap. It's important that he starts feeling empathy for another victim and risks so much to save her even though she is NOT a Stark, not an heiress, not Ned's little girl, not a noble with a great name, not "important" - just a steward's orphan daughter who is seen as expendable and used as a Stark kid proxy and victimized, just like the two miller's boys were. A lot of people are trying to save "Arya" - Jon sends Mance and the spearwives to save her and risks his oath for her, the clansmen are ready to fight for her - but Theon is the only one who does it while knowing that she's not actually Arya but an "unimportant" commoner (and keeps that secret from everyone, knowing that Jeyne would probably be left to her fate if people found out). Of course, the showrunners managed to completely miss the point and decided that Theon needed "a real Stark" to save. I don't want to comment on your comment that Sansa "got off lightly", other than to say it's gross.
I agree with the "got off lightly" comment. Also the Northern Lords do think that Jeyne is Arya. Most of them would have spent more time talking to Robb and Sansa and probably ignoring the other Stark children when they visited Winterfell. Lady Barbery Dustin herself says that; "What do you think passes through their heads when they hear the new bride weeping? Valiant Ned's precious little girl. Lady Arya's sobs do us more harm than all of Lord Stannis's swords and spears." The Northern Lords are not doing anything because they are scared of the Bolton's and Frey's in Winterfell, some don't do anything because of hostages at the Twins, the Umbers are a good example of this. Without those hostages, and lack of manpower from the major war, the Bolton's and Frey's would be hanging by their entrails from Winterfell's walls.
Like I said, it's questionable, and I've seen very different opinions on the matter of whether the Northern lords assembled at Winterfell know/suspect that 'Arya' is fake or not. I'm not sure on the matter, but I know some people who believe that they do realize she's fake. We can't know for sure because we only see the northern lords through Theon's POV, and they're unlikely to be fully sincere with Boltons or Lady Dustin. Also, in the latest Winterfell chapters, after the dead body of Little Walder Frey was found, Wyman Manderly dropped all pretence and openly showed his hostility and contempt for the Freys (he had learned that his son had been released by the Lannisters) and there was open conflict between the northerners and the Freys. Theon thinks about the fact that someone may notice that Jeyne is older than Arya is supposed to be, and thinks multiple times that her eyes are 'the wrong color' - he's clearly thinking that some people may realize she is not really Arya. People may assume that a girl that age can change a lot in a space of 2 years, and some girls can look older than their age - but if there happens to be someone who saw Arya at some point and noticed that she had the typical Stark look, with grey eyes, they may notice that the girl presented as Arya has brown eyes, and eye color does not change once you stop being an infant. The repetition of that phrase 'and her eyes are the wrong color' in his mind suggests that it's something that's important for the story.
Kyle thank you that is one of my biggest problems with the show is that tyrion had no reason to go and kill his father but in the books his father made him watch as his guards raped his wife then made his brother lie to tyrion about it (and Jamie and tyrions relationship was much better than it is in the show)
Tyrion talks about it in season one, but they chose to not complicate things by adding something that in the books is only mentioned in Tyrion's inner dialogue. They try to make it seem that Tyrion loved Shae in the tv-series, while she only reminded him of his wife in the books.
In the series tyrion tells bron that when he was riding around in the forest with some of the lannisters soldiers he saw a woman get chased and almost raped by a few bandits tyrion commands them to kill the bandits and he helps the woman, he later falls in love with her and has sex with her. After this his dad later lets tyrion watch the woman he loves getting fucked by some of the lannister soldiers and reveals that the woman was a whore. After this bronn responds with: I would have killed the man that did that to me.
D&D handed stannis's battle to Jon Snow. Even with two fucking seasons to do the northern campaign, they fail again and again to do the proper northern conspiracy. Will Stannis sacrifice Shireen himself? maybe. Stannis's faith in R'hllor is shaky at best, and GRRM has always portrayed him as, in his words, "in spite of everything he is a righteous man." Stannis has not had any true sacrifice yet. Edric Storm is a boy of little importance. Alester Florent, Mance Rayder, and the Peasebury cannibals have all committed crimes. I think the show did a good job portraying that Stannis truly loved Shireen, but the sacrifice scene was rushed with little to no justification. will stannis sacrifice his greatest love for the realm? yes. But it will be for his duty, not his ambition. Stannis's entitlement and ambition ran out when he arrived at the wall. He knows that he should be saving the realm to win the throne and restore the north even if it means he will die. Even if you consider 20 good men to be reasonable, what happens after is a farce. all the sellswords left with horses, so they still have a considerable number of horses. if they eat all of the horses left, stannis still has near 6000 men, well fed, with spears, against the bolton vanguard. Easy win. season 5 has no logic at all. If they cut the dornish bullshit and get rid of the pretty but useless episode of hardhome, a proper battle of ice is easily achievable.
indeed, its unfortunate how it started of as an interesting/unpredictable show with lots of intrigue and character depth then eventually degraded into a cliche action movie, with shallow characters and unrealistic chains of events.
Season 6 is arguably the best season of GOT. "The door" "Battle of the bastards" and "Winds of Winter" are easily in top 10 eps of the series. Season 5 was hot garbage, and 7 it starts to deteriorate before 8 ruins everything but oddly enough u got 6 right in the middle of that mess as my personal fave season
@@11gingin never said it was perfect but having 3 of the greatest episodes has to put up there as one of the best seasons imo... Plus the final two set everything up to potentially be great... And they f'd it all up... All subjective in the end
7:21 Bronn didn't marry Lollys in the TV show. Jamie showed up before the marriage ever happened and promised Bronn huge sums of money, a larger castle, and a much prettier lady to wed. Bronn still hasn't been given these things and even complained about it this season. But he never married Stokeworth.
You can't think of it that way though man you have to think of the show a the idiots guide to game of thrones... It also mixes things up a bit and adds, fixes, and removes all the good and bad thing from the books and thats worth the risk... With that said they really did fuck up Dorne.
I think you should think of these changes as a type of fan fiction. The producers and writers are big fans of the books. Sometimes even with a huge budget they cant do everything along with pace of story and editing. There is so much going on that it would be to much information for one hour of TV for each episode. Also remember that even though they are please the existing fans of the books they are also bringing in new fans who have never read the books.
I'm glad they toned down Ramsey though. Book ramsey would have even been too much for HBO. The difference are many, but the show and books are still wonderful to me. good video.
Eastwatch by the sea, in A Feast of Crows, the Eastwatch by the sea plays a mayor role, and Cotter Pyke the lord commander there, is hugeley important for the narrative of three whole chapters, but he got skipped in the show... Also, The Frey Pies...happen very differently in the books and neither Arya nor Lord Walder were pressent at the moment.
That's because for some reason the show completely ignores the most badass of the northern lords, Wyman Manderly! His storylines have been given away to Arya and Lyanna Mormont and don't even get me started on his epic "the North remembers" speech.
Lady Stoneheart might be in season 7 because (spoiler alert) on IMDB it says that in Season 7 Episode 1 the actor that potrays Catelyn Stark will be playing a ''Mysterious Lady''...HYPE
Theo Germando I guess it could be. But at this point, there's really no reason. The Freys are probably going to go into ruin after Arya killed Walder and the Boltons are dead. It would just be fan service
Wishful thinking is what it is. there will be no LSH on the show. D&D hated that idea for some reason and have converted her storyarc of vengeance into other characters'. Plus, there have been too many resurrected characters on the show already, I can't find a reason they bring back another one.
To be fair, Roose only had one son other than Ramsey. And we don't even know if Ramsey killed him. Some readers think Roose killed Domeric himself because the kid was too nice. Oh, and hte whole Grey Scale thing did happen, just to Griff (who is really John Connington, friend of Rhaegar).
People complaining about the show veering away from the books make no sense to me. What did you want them to do? Wait for George to release his final 2 books? That could take another 15 years given how slow he is. Did you want George to divulge everything that's going to happen in the books and for D&D to follow that to the letter SPOILING the last two books? If they followed the books, you idiots would complain about them spoiling it. There's no winning.
There's actually a bunch of difference in the books and it's like a whole new story on itself and it sounds more interesting than the show i might buy and read em
Wow what a terrible run down. So many inaccuracies I don't know if I even caught all of them. But let's try: 1. In the books when lady stone heart catches up to and hangs Brienne and she shouts for a sword, there is NO indication that Howell Hunt and Podrick are spared. 2. The books do NOT indicate or say that Ramsay cut off Theon's dick, just his fingers and he has a lot of his teeth knocked out. Also the books don't say that Ramsay murdered his Bolton brothers. Also must have missed the part where he forced Jane Pool to have sex with his dogs, maybe you got a different version of the books than me though. 3. In the books Jojen NEVER goes home to Grey Water watch. When we last see him he is still with Bran and the 3 eyed raven. 4. There is ABSOLUTELY no indication that the show spoiled anything with Shireen, as when we last hear about her she is safe and sound at East watch. Stannis is lost in a blizzard near Winterfell, presumably dead, and Melesandre is at Castle Black. 5. In the books Jorah doesn't just attempt to kiss Dany, he fucking does, I mean he lays a big wet one on her. And she exiles him in the books much like she does in the show. Also in the books and in the show Jorah is sent to spy on Dany by ROBERT not the Lannisters. 6. Tyrion doesn't necessarily convince Aegon to turn away from Dany and go to Westereos on his own. There is far more to it. Like Aegon and the Second Sons believe Dany is already dead. 7. In the show Jaimie doe's NOT force Bronn to go with him, he just asks and Bronn is like "fuck yes, Im in". Seriously did you guys even fucking try?
They might have just skimmed through the books and mention the bits and pieces of it they remember. A lot of popular channels that claims they know the series, does this type of stuff
2 is wrong, Roose states that he know Ramsey killed his son and that he will kill his child with fat walda. 6 is inaccurate, Tyrion plants the seed in aegons mind that he would be better off to go his own way and invade on his part than to go to dany as a begger
She had to choose dying by the rope or taking the sword in order to kill Jamie, when she shouted "sword" it saved her and Pod's life (and some other knight whose name I can't remember).
I always thought the decision "sword or noose" meant, if they want to get their heads choppes off or die by rope. I thought when she shoited sword, she could talk woth them while they prepare the beheading... :D I din't like the style of writing... It was something like "Brienne only shouted one word." chapter ends.
“Aegon” is Young Griff, a boy being taken care of by exiled (Griff) Lord Jon Connington. Young Griff claims to be Rhaegars son but has no proof. When Tyrion questions him about details and makes assumptions of how he survived, he remains quite.
I know I'm in the supreme minority but he is such An annoying concept of a character, not to mention he is booooooring.. it was more exciting without him and Connington.Just another "hoarders" character for Martin to throw into his own convoluted mess. Daenerys and Jon Snow is enough.
Just completed A dance of dragons and I'd go as far as say season 1 is the closest but ultimately fails at being accurate. In our first scene with Waymar, it's very clear he the White Walkers were interested in Jon. Ommiting Waymar and the trap the WW set caused issues.
Long story short, Lady Stoneheart gives her the option to either kill Jaime or to die. So pick Sword or death basically. Brienne didn't want to be a traitor so she didn't choose. So they went to hang both Brienne and Pod. They are both being hung when Brienne looks at Pod, then yells "Sword" meaning that she is agreeing to kill Jaime instead of being killed herself.
How is Sansa's book 1 betrayal & complicity in Ned's death in the books not here? In the books, Sansa is 100% responsible for the Starks' failure to escape King's Landing.
Resurrecting her is a fucking dipshit child's mistake. "And then she goes to Renly and then goes back to Robb and then she gets killed but then she gets resurrected and then she leads the Brothers without Banners and" Holy shit, Martin can write like a child sometimes.
Except becuase it was not a "happily ever after" resurrection, instead she comes back as a broken shell of her former self. She is not longer the Catelyn we knew, instead she is a thing in constant pain, a force of revenge. On the other hand Jon´s resurrection in the show is the product of very bad writing. Being murdered has no effect on him and he came back just as he was before he was killed. If Catelyn and Berric are any indication Jon is not going to be the same after he is brought back (and he is definitely not going to get a crown, especially after showing to be an ineffective leader)
The resurrection trope is somewhat used incorrectly in Fantasy. Martins knows that, you stupid dipshit. He literally has said a few times in his interviews that Gandalf being brought back from the dead was a shitty move by Tolkien. So we can hope that Cat's resurrection means something greater to the overall story. But anyways, the resurrection trope means something spiritually. It means a new beginning. Gandalf and Lady Stoneheart are reborn as diferent persons with diferent motives. That's why the whole being reborned is all about.
well, plus, i don't think Jon was actually revived in the books or had his death confirmed. last time i checked, there were people discussing whether or not Jon died in the latest book (i haven't read that part myself yet, so i can't be sure). we also gotta consider the book and the series are pretty much different stories with the same characters at that point, so maybe things might be different in the books
I believe the 3 heads of the dragon are Danaerys, Jon Snow, and Aegon aka "Young Griff", the last living descendants of House Targaryen. I wish the show had kept the Young Griff storyline, now it seems that the storyline will go nowhere in the end :(, especially if the show and books wind up in the same ending, just different paths. Either way, I believe it will be Sansa that takes the Iron Throne in the end.
Young Griff has got to be the mummers dragon, why else leave him from the show? Maybe Tyrion is the third head of the dragon? idk I just want answers and the next book damn it!
5:50 or they just killed her off because they had no use for her anymore, like they did with two-thirds of the cast after they ran out of book material.
Two honorable mentions: 1. How sick and twisted Euron is in the Books; he is way worse than Ramsey. 2. Arya's Warging ability: - how she Wargs into the cat in Braavos to cheat on her test and how she can connect with Nymeria from across the Sea.
I have just watched several RU-vids like this. Yours is by far the superior of them all. Please create Part 2, it would be awesome to watch as this one. If needed you should also creates more parts than that. Congrats!!!
I’m not sure that I’d ever describe rape as being “[let] off easy.” I guess I’m just weird that way. And oh, by the by, Stannis is still alive (kinda important) in the books, which drastically changes the plot, possibly more than literally anything else...
Actually, there is enough evidence to assume that Rhaegar's supposed son, Aegon, is actually a false Targaryen. And, in fact, Varys's nephew and heir by female line of the Blackfyre house.
Actually, the enmity between both houses is tenacious at least. The Blackfyre's house made the kingdom bleed on several ocassions, specially during the ''War of the Ninepenny Kings''. But, it seems than this supposed ''Aegon'' will align alongside to Daenerys on the upcoming conflict, ''The War of the Three Queens''.
may I trigger the haters now: I love Game of Thrones! I haven't read the books yet, but I will. I decided to start reading after The show is finished, looking at it as two different things
I love the show too despite its flaws. Dorne is lame in the books too and the books have more annoying or stupid characters that you want to skip through their chapters (Quentyn Martell, Book Daario, Aegon, Connington, Lady Stoneheart, Penny, Victarion) so I'm glad they weren't added.