It is my favorite spider man story arc. I have ASM 700 signed by stan lee THATS how much I loved it! It definitely didn't go on to long it wrapped up nicely and had a good pace.
This video isn't about quality but poor execution of those story arcs/events. Most of those can be rebooted in decent stories (I for example think they should use Onslaught to retcon X-man into MCU), problem was that people needed wait ages on something what should be resolved far earlier.
Superior Spiderman seems to be some sort of blend of the both, I know they couldn't keep octo as Spidey for long, maybe, but fans wanted the og back. Not to mention, details of the story called for it. When time came for it to end, it was well done. (No word for prof hulk) but that is the new norm for some comics, like the IM Hulk atm (immortal hulk) or professor hulk of the MCU is now our norm for the characters of banner and hulk (they same)
@@MrJerichoPumpkin they were just lingering about in literatures universe. Something with their publisher or writers being done with it ( I know the original writer didn't want it to be adapted to film) Morrison? I'm glad they have it done, it was awesome ( long drawn out but underwhelming, awesome but nonetheless)
Can't believe Superior Spider-man was included in this list and even compared to the Clone Saga. Superior was one of the best modern day runs and so different from the stale Spider-man storylines that had preceded it
The build up to Onslaught took forever, but once it got going, it was pretty good. I think Marvel wanted to include their entire roster. They didn't want to leave the Avengers and Fantastic Four out like they did in Age of Apocalypse.
I don’t know why they put Maximum Carnage on the list? I actually really like it and it’s probably the only 90s story arc that didn’t run over 50 issues!
@@TheRezro Yeah, but the complaint really only applies to retro-completionist collectors. When published they were still cheap, disposable entertainment.
Yeah, I loved that storyline. Otto gained a temporary sense of empathy for his archenemy and beat the living s*** out of Black Cat. How could you NOT love it?
I actually loved Superior Spider-man. I thought it was a unique premise and Dan Slott is a fantastic writer. And while I agree that there were way too many tie-ins I actually liked the Flashpoint storyline, although I think the animated movie did it better.
Yeah Superior Spider-Man is great but I don't think "No-one should complain about it" is a good thing to think about any kind of media. Even "unanimously" good ones.
Yeah a decent show that overstay it welcome and made the likeable characters to even more unlikable they truly made Sheldon into more annoying to the point you want to kill him
Speaking of things which overstayed their welcome...! I really liked the first few seasons of Big Bang Theory, it was when the writers reached the point where the characters had to grow that things started going wrong.
Tyrant-Den+ I said the first four seasons after that idk I wasn't feeling it not I wasn't that much of a fan of the show to me decent at best but I agree
@@georgebrice3831 yeah. It just got this weird limbo feel to it as the writers tried to walk this weird tight rope of the characters developing without changing. Sonata the end they are all married and having kids and being successful but are still the same characters from day 1. With three exceptions in Amy, Bernadette, and Kuthrapali; but their being shacked to the rest of the cast is just painful.
For your #1 list item. The flashpoint was an alternate timeline that was enjoyed by fans. The logic used to explain on how it went in "too damn log" can be used for marvel's latest secret wars ... Crisis on Infinite Earths... 52... so on and so forth. It's one thing if a series last too long, but there is a distinction to be made when there is a change of status quo or change of era.
First thing... I loved Maximum Carnage. And I’m not the only one as it was massively successful and people still talk about it. And it wasn’t even that long of an arc! Second... All major characters have story arcs that cross over multiple books. That’s just part of the comic book experience. You may not like it, but singling out Maximum Carnage for it as some bad thing is ridiculous when it’s such a common practice. Third... what’s your problem with “The Big Bang Theory”? It’s a great show! And the characters poking fun at something like a comic book story is completely appropriate to them. I think 10 minutes was too long for this video. Next time, clock out at 5.
The video is filled with so much far fetched misinformation that they dont even have a concrete narrative. Its either about long stories, stories that took too long to be published or major status quo changes that lasted too long. Saying "oh Flashpoint is a long story because it lead to the new 52 and Rebirth" is wrong because flashpoint CONCLUDED and the new 52 and rebirth arent even damn storylines they were marketing events and people liked rebirth. Stop giving erroneus information
Well the point was that the storylines took "too damn long" to unfold not that they werent good. So you saying that this video is spreading false info would be your own incorrect opinion.
@@cj1557 stories that take "too damn long" implies that they werent good since a good story is engaging Heres a list of false information in the video: Flashpoint was a 6 issue storyline (something short for a comic) with no delays and a definitive beggining and end. It had a positive reception and many like it (with it even getting an animated movie, a story arc in the CW show and rumors of a live action one). The new 52 WAS NOT a storyline. It was a massive marketing campaing. DC Rebirth WAS NOT a storyline. It was a marketing campaign that had an EXTREMELY positive reception with fans who, in fact didnt want it to end. "The new Wonder Woman" and "Profesor Hulk" WERE NOT storylines. They were status quo shifts and thus saying "they lasted 5 years" is wrong since they were not an idividual story. Superior Spiderman was a monthly ongoing series, consisting of several storylines, and had no delays, this once again was just a Status quo shift.
Back in the 70's,DC comic book stories that went more than two issues were a rarity. I remember a Superman story in which it seemed he lost his powers when dressed like Clark Kent (turned out a humanoid alien was behind it,the ultimate goal being turning Superman into a bomb) and a Batman story in which he needed to prove he hadn't shot Ra's Al Ghul and Talia with a gun,despite the fact that it supposedly happened in front of witnesses. Both stories ran for four (or five?) issues,with each chapter including a note that the entire story took place after Supes and Bats' adventures in other titles.
Marvel actually released a mini series that told The Clone Saga how it was originally supposed to be told before it went off the rails. I hear it's actually pretty good.
Superior Spider-Man was a great storyline I want to know what people said they didn't like it cuz that was a really good story line it was interesting 💯💯💯
I loved "Professor" Hulk, even though I started regularly collecting Hulk with 425, when Hulk's status quo shifted again and he started turning into raging Bruce Banner when angered... Yes, Clone Saga was convoluted, but I still think of Jackal as one of Spidey's worst foes (and would like to see you folks at WhatCulture do a video on him, hint hint...😊) And I loved Onslaught, at least at the beginning. I remember buying the X-Men issue at Kroger (and yes, they sold comics at Kroger; the "newsstand" wasn't dead yet!), taking a quick look at the end, and then reading and rereading the issue, shocked, startled, and eager for what came next. 😊 (Oh, and even though it's technically too short for THIS particular list, "One More Day" almost put me off Spider-Man. It was only the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon that convinced me to give the comic another chance. I mention it here only because of the brief flash of it in this video...)
I'm not going to complain about the Professor Hulk era; it lasted as long as it did because it was one of the best versions of the Hulk, story-wise. The Hulk's persistent problem is that, while it's often a good idea to give a character a core flaw, the Hulk's central flaw is just too overwhelming: he's stupid or unheroic, and in any event he keeps turning into Puny Banner. That's fine for a character you plan to write for 6 to 12 issues, but it doesn't take long before it gets old. To put it differently, the Hulk spends too much time fighting the same opponent every issue, and it's always himself. Marvel tried a million spins on the Hulk in the 30 years or so before Professor Hulk came along, all of them short-lived because none of them really worked. But Professor Hulk did. Most likely, what makes him work is that Professor Hulk mitigates both of the Hulk's traditional weaknesses. A person could argue that the central focus of the Hulk should be stupidity and Puny Banner, but maybe that's not a great thing to center a character on.
kingbeauregard what people don’t understand about the merged hulk storyline was that the struggle between Bruce and the hulk wasn’t removed. It was depicted as taking place internally instead of externally.That’s why the merger ended up breaking down at the end. It can’t be that hated as a status quo change if it stuck around for 68 issues.
I agree for the most part the only thing I disliked about it was that it took a master time traveler and made him crap at time travel. It wasn't even the first time someone had to undo a villain altering their past in DC Comics yet somehow he couldn't do it without destroying the world.
The "professor Hulk" was one of the best things to happen. Bruce Banner in control of his Hulk mode was an epic departure and good read. It's one of the things that made 90s comics bearable...
Suprised y'all included Superior Spiderman cause that, Immortal Hulk, Infamous Iron Man, and the latest X-Men comics(Although even they seem to be going nowhere) are basically the only good things to come out of Marvel in like half a decade.
Where is Spider-man/Black cat: The Evil Men do? It took 2 years to finish a 6 part mini-series because the writer stopped after the 3rd part and waited 2 more years to finish the last 3 parts.
Hey anyone hear of a little,not so big or important storyline, called "No Man's Land"? Yeah it's not like it was a huge event that stretched on for like a YEAR. In all seriousness how are you going to put Doomsday Clock(Which is a great story along with NML)and a bunch of other relatively short stories over NML?
So anyone else notice how they explained herors reborn basically backwards? Is it too much to ask that what culture atleast read the wiki entry of something before putting it into a list? Heroes Reborn was bad, but atleast have the integrity to find out why.
I mean, if you want to get technical, it was Crisis On Infinite Earths (37 years ago!) that started this whole never-ending DC renewal train with Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis, etc. Flashpoint, New 52, etc. are all part of the same string.
I think someone needs to explain to what culture what a story arc is. Only a couple entries from this list I would say are really story arcs. Most seem to be reboots and status quo changes rather than story arcs. Also can someone explain to me where they are getting the info that fans want Spider-Man to suffer? Isn’t one of the most hated Spider-Man storyline’s (brand new day or one more day whatever it was called) because someone in marvel hated the idea of Spider-Man being married and superheroes being married shouldn’t happen?!? Last I knew I thought fans kinda you know cared about good storyline’s and they aren’t like begging for Spider-Man to suffer, that really seems to just be a marvel thing and certain writers. This just seems like a weird list to hate on random shit that they couldn’t figure out how to put into other lists.
Gotta correct you. It wasn't the editors that demanded that the clone saga went on and on in the 90's. Marvel was in such poor economical shape that it was the marketing department because it sold so well.
I think for sheer length it may be hard to beat the original Hobgoblin identity mystery. Originally it dragged out over more than four years but then later on the original write returned to put things back the way it was all planned and so we only learned his true identity a mere 14 years and 4 months after it all began.
I don't follow comics like I once did,but I hate to distance myself from them entirely....that said,I enjoyed Superman:Grounded. Admittedly,I never read the individual issues,having bought the two-volume collected editions,which was actually the first time I read the stories. And while I found myself frustrated by the constant delays involved with Doomsday Clock,I'm glad I stuck it out to the end. Since that was pretty much the only title I read that year,I was completely unaware of the continuity errors you mentioned.
There was the Kang arc in The Avengers. Ran too long with an unsatisfying ending. Months of it where the Avengers getting kicked around and when they finally defeated Kang and unmasked him they were all asking, "Who's this guy?"
Oh man! I gave up buying every title leading to onslaught saga. I was like will read them in the comic book store ,without buying hoping no one will say if you read it you buy it.
Of all of them, the only series I read through was Doomsday Clock, and only because I collected, held onto, and binge read the digital versions when it was all done. I've only read the Superman-related DC Rebirth comics, but little by Bendis after that. There is so very much else to do in life, it is easy to move on to other interests. Also, I miss _Invincible_ and _Astro City..._
I’m so tired of hearing purists attack the superior Spider-Man just because it dared to shake things up. I loved the series and thought it did some really cool stuff with the Spider-Man storyline.
Personally I was like wtf with superior Spider-Man and didn’t think would last long. But from what I’ve heard I don’t think it’s as bad as what some people made it seem and was pretty solid run. Also though it’s not a story arc as someone else has pointed out. It’s just an easy target because I think there are a lot of people like myself who didn’t know much about it and just brushed it off as any silly marvel gimmick. But if I had the time I would give the run a go and don’t doubt I would enjoy it now.
In the flashpoint argument, still dealing with the effects of the infinite crisis, the source of the constant reboots, which in turn is the product of the crisis of infinite earths which on its own spanned many issues and still affects today as stated above. Also clone saga should be hirer is day this as a biased Spider-Man fan
while it was short compared to the rest of these, I found The Trials of Harley Quinn arc (which took 11 issues total at a once monthly release) to be too long for the extremely anticlimactic pay off given at the end due to Year of The Villain then messing up the arc towards the end
Well read almost all the comments, and basically Superior SpiderMan is a winner, not one person pissed on it, so I know I'm not crazy. Everyone loves Spider Ock
The Clone Saga went on FOREVER! A little surprised it is at #10 on the list. As for Frank Miller's Dark Knight saga, well, it never REALLY needed sequels, so this whole thing went on WAY too long anyway! And they SO screwed up the 80s Clark Kent/Lois Lane wedding storyline! They were going to get married, and then they delayed it so the Lois & Clark TV series could finish its OWN wedding story arc -- which it DIDN'T, and so we got the Death of Superman, which itself didn't last as long as it should have. A ridiculous storyline made necessary solely for marketing reasons was simultaneously too long and too short!
Rebirth as being a bad thing after the New 52? I've enjoyed the hell out of so many different storylines from many characters from this and the continuation of it!
Come on.. If you are picking maximum carnage 14 issues and some months crossover what should we say about infinity wars, war of the realms, civil war 2, and asically every single event since the 90 issue civil war?
You are aware that BBT was from Chuck Lorre Productions who's shows are all connected to Warner Brothers, don't you. What I'm getting at is that they own Marvel's chief competitor DC.
The video is talking about story arcs that went on too long not that all of them were terrible or werent enjoyed. Just listen to the first few seconds of the video again.
