10 DLC Lore Discoveries That Change Everything (Shadow of the Erdtree) | Elden Ring 

What were your favourite lore moments in your journey through the Lands of Shadow?

Manus -> Latin for hand Metyr -> Meter -> Latin for mother Metyr = Manus Metyr = Mother Hand

Miquella IS dead. He is not a spirit like Serosh. We kill his body and soul when we kill Radhan. Thats why the remembrance is "Remembrance of a lord and a god". He is able to be killed because he stripped himself of his immortal flesh to become a new god. Also his death is confirmed by St Trina.

The first time a furnance golem grabed me it was raining and it's flames where smaller and i could see the whole dragon inside of him

Not me instantly killing the first kindred of rot I see because of PTSD from the base game 💀

Miquella doesn't have eyes anymore. He plucked them out as a sacrafice to turn into a god just like his arm or his heart

Btw, godhood in the Lands Between sound like a trap and conspiracy of cosmic Lovecrafian beings. The gods of elden ring are like mediums that chanel power of enteties beyond our reach, in a sense they are agents of said beings be it Formless Mother, Outer God of Rot, Frenzy Flame or Greater Will. Outer gods give you power but in turn influence world to their liking. For example Marika is a god, but power she wields is not her own (It's Elden Beast- agent of Greater Will, I guess Greater Will is like leader of a patheon). I wonder whos power Miquella borowed (probably Greater Will)?

What I find very interesting is that the item description on the Boar Knight Boss (I forget his name, Gallus or something?) States that he and Radahn were friendly rivals in their youth, and you have the death knight armor describing knights who served the prince of death. As well as linking to his defeat and befriending of the dragons as each set of the death knight armor increases dragon cult incantations. Which means Mesmer and the pruging that he went through as well as the potential burning of the erdtree probably happened well after Godwyn was killed and Radagon was already 2nd elden Lord. Also the dragons were probably enemies of Mesmer because of the lore of Bayle attacking Placidusax, of whom were still probably on friendly/neutral terms. That attack instigated dragon communion and made mordern dragons enemies to pretty much everyone

I had a thought. Miyazaki said the DLC was "the size of limgrave". Its sort of become a well known joke now as the dlc seems to be a lot bigger than limgrave. But, what if Miyazaki was talking about the map itself in relation to the base game map? I see people trying to overlay the map to the base game map but what if we scale the dlc map to the "size of limgrave" and try to fit it?

Also, the map overlays VERY nicely with the Lands between. The big hole in the Hinterlands lays EXACTLY where the erdtree's stump is. Also not, that the tree isn't exactly where it should be on the map in relation to its stump. Reason being, they would have had to cover the divine tower bridge if they put it there. But it does overlap nicely with the big tree stump underground (where the erdtree actually sits in the world)

3:26 There's that one saying that goes: "the eyes are the windows to the soul". Since Miquella's eyes are always shut, no one can ever truly know his intentions, except for himself. I'd probably also bet that not even St. Trina would know either, despite her being Miquella's other half. You look at Marika and Radagon, and it could be argued that Radagon wouldn't have known that Marika had intended to act on her desire to shatter the Elden Ring, until it was already too late.

I made a video last year (The Eye Theory of Elden Ring) that went into that huge stone tablet you mention at 9:00 which uses such similar footage as yours that it made me do a doubletake 😅 it weirdly took me forever to line the camera up properly for those different panning shots of the stone tablet and I’m sort of relieved someone else has gone through it as well

Kill me...🥲 I utterly annihilated the sleeping Pest with Lion's Claw not realizing its friendly then killed Moore.

Well considering there was a war agains the ancient dragons and they later made peace and even worked together, it would make sense that the vile drakes are also foes of the Erdtree. They did Placidusax a solid and purged some drakes while they did their own genocide.

I think we don’t see Miquella’s eyes as a parallel to the fact that Malenia’s are sealed shut from Scarlet Rot

there is a good reason y Godfrey and Serosh are portrayed differently than Miquella and Radahn in the remembrances. Godfrey and Serosh are different independent individuals acting in harmony, Serosh is there to hold back Godfrey's bloodlust (afaik), and Godfrey can willingly... "remove" Serosh when he feels he needs to. Meanwhile Radahn in there has been reduced to nothing but a puppet (a brutal puppet that can rip people's guts apart in 0.1s, but still a puppet), while Miquella is there as the puppet master. On the 2nd phase of both fights we're fighting the true nature of our foes, Godfrey the lone 'WARRIOR', and Miquella the puppet master and his puppet, Radahn is nothing but an extension of Miquella's power. Thus the remembrance is also showing the true nature of who we've just defeated.

Kinda wish there is a 2nd dlc, so much potential.

The revelation that his "eye" was not a slit but Marika's Rune's shape was truly a mindblowing moment for me

I think a really underrated disc is the one on the flame of messmer key item. Which basically confirms that Melina is indeed a daughter of marika. And likely in fact the house eyed queen

Interesting video! A couple of notes from me: 1. Are you sure Metyr predates the Elden Beast? Wouldn't it make sense if they arrived together, on the same star? After all, if you were going to affix a ring to your body, where else would you put it, besides your fingers? 2. Miquella's and Godfrey's boss fights do, indeed, have parallels, but we most certainly kill Miquella. The on screen text after winning the fight reads "God Felled" or "Slain" or something like that. Also, we only kill Miquella in spirit. We don't need to kill his flesh, as he has already divested himself of it at his various crosses in the DLC. 3. Quelaag has a brilliant video up now regarding the suppressing tower and its implications as to what the land of shadow is and how it functions!

We obviously kill Miquella. It literally says "God Slain", the Remembrance is called "Remembrance of a God and a Lord" and through it, we can get one of the incantations Miquella used during the battle. So he's dead dead

The Forager Brood is probably just a different tribe/brood of the pests.

i think him saying a curse upon thee is him reflecting on how he feels about his relationship with his mother.

In the cinematic trailer, we see Marika using Gloam eyed queen's eye/crux to make part of the shadow realm from the land between, veiling it

I know the joke is that "every character is the gloam eyed queen." But i legit think Messmer is the GEQ rhe same way Marika is Radagon and Miquella is St. Trina. Evidence: *There is now a confirmed trend of Marika/Radagon children having gender flipped alter egos. *The black flame and red destined death seem to linked, some theories saying that black flame is just a weakened version of destined Death that lost its color. (Similar HP drain effects) Messmers flame is very much red AND black, (although no HP drain) *The Godskins are often tied to snake imagery, like giant corpse/shed skin in the temple of eglay or the Godskins Nobels long reptilian tail, or the Godskin apostles stretchy serpentine torso. *The swaddling cloth could be shed skin, even used by a younger Messmer as his mother held him. and the concept of demi-gods shedding their skin like a snake could explain the origins of the godskins attire. We even see Messmers snakes turn white in his second phase as they shed their skin. *The Godskins have religious ranks and implements of torture, fitting Messmers inquisitions role and aesthetic. *The Godskins are said to be the results of fleshy homunculus experiments, and we know Messmer was researching ways to cure the melded fleshy pot Shamans. Its not a stretch to see that research used to create the Godskins from discarded flesh. *Messmer is linked with Melina as her sibling. conveniently he is already missing his left eye, the same one that Melina opens to reveal its purple color. Did Messmer give her his eye as a backup plan? Granting her the power of the GEQ should the next elden lord be untrustworthy? *Messmer was clearly loved and trusted by Marika, and we know that the alter-egos can act independently and even counter to the wishes of their other selves (Radagon containing Marika, St. Trina asking us to stop Miquella) and perhaps the reason Marika banished Messmer was to keep the GEQ from returning, even sealing his eye with a soreseal. *The spiral shape of the Godslaying Greatsword is very similar to the Hornsents holy spirals. It makes sense if the GEQ rebelled against Marika, that she might align with the Hornsent as a temporary ally. Ironic that the Hornsents symbol of Godhood was inverted to kill the very gods they worshipped. In conclusion: For all the answers given to us by the DLC, i noticed it odd to have basically no mention of the GEQ, a character speculated upon like St. Trina, who DID appear in the DLC. I think the GEQ is already in the game, and the simple fact that Marika and Miquella have alter egos, i can't help but wonder if Melina, Messmer and even Melania ALSO have alter egos we dont know about... Thinking about mysterious men tied to Melania... Was the blind swordsman HER alter ego? Who is Melinas alter ego? It's and out there therory but i think it has legs. The Abyssal serpent just feels too out of nowhere to NOT be tied to something else.

About miquella closed eyes - he kinda tore them out and left under one of his signs in game. Think it's the same sign where you first enconter Ansbach. Eyes are considered place in human body where grace exists in game lore. Miquella separated himself of everything that connected him to old order including his eyes.

Miquella the kind abandoned his kindness, love and compassion to become a god. This would theoretically make him another marika. There is no point in welcoming a god like that.

Since Miquela abandoned his body as we see in the crosses in the shadow realm we basically destroy his soul during the final fight. I believe he is gone for good

They confirmed there wont be another DLC, so sadly we'll never know what happened to anyone

Hell goes with those insect things, I hate them. Cook book received-bug killed. That’s it, they should manner in base game

I killed the first Forager I came across. I knew immediately I had done something wrong because I noticed too late it wasn't attacking back. So I went and hit a site of grace, rode back and saw it's corpse in its place and immediately lamented my decision.

St trina dies when you kill radhan, this seems to imply that miquella dies too as st trina is part of miquella.

Love the Gothic 2 soundtrack

Good use of hades music

The Dancer of ranah is related to Tanith

So i accidentally attacked one of the kindred rots which triggered Moore to invade me. It wasn't until i killed Moore that pieced together what he says and regretted my actions

I hear Gothic 2 ost

I have been thinking about it and perhaps Metyr is a metaphor for the holy spirit in Christianity. In christianity the fact that Jesus is the son of God has deep metaphysical implications. He is not merely a creature but he partakes in the same divine essence as God the father. Likewise, Metyr as a daughter shares the same essence as the Greater Will. Moreover, like the holy spirit which is said to indwell christians and guide them to follow God's commands, so too do the Fingers guide the people of the lands between to follow the Greater Will. In this metaphor, the fingers would be like apostles or prophets, while the Three fingers would be akin to a heretic or false prophet. Moreover, Ranni would be like the figure of Eve/Cain and Godwyn would be Abel. The snow witch, of course, would be Satan.

Well we only fight the real mogh once the other is made by morgot

Did you notice Miquella only shows three arms? His fourth upper arm is only half showing. Not sure if that means anything. 😎🍻😎

I like to believe that the shadow tree is the Miquella’s Haligtree

God video

Due to datamining we know that Miquella's flashback model as a child has gold eyes of the golden order where his spectral god / adult form has gray eyes because he's cut himself off from 'gold'

Among the ruins of Unte you can actually find an unlit furnace golem and have a good view perched from above. Inside is a whole drake.

Miquella abandoned his “hesitation” and his “love” at crosses. Of course he’s not so dedicated to compassion anymore.

6:40 Miquella’s body does die because he sacrificed it all over land of shadow. We also get the text “God Slain”

When you find the Miquella Cross that marks where he abandoned his eye, you can go back to Ansbach who reacts in surprise and tells you that Miquella's eyes are no mere morsel of flesh, but proof of his status as an empyrean. Seeing as how Ranni has one eye shut, Malenia has both of hers scarred over, Marika has the side of her face missing when we find her, and Melina, if you believe her to be the Gloam-Eyed Queen, also has one eye shut, it seems as though there's something notable going on with the eyes of all empyreans. Messmer also has one eye shut and some sort of deity inhabiting his body which might mark him as one too.

Imagine if radahn has a third phase where he just rips Miquella in half and combines gravity magic and blood flame fully

The item is called Remembrance of a God and a Lord. So it must really be him. All the Remembrances say they were hewn/shaped into the Erdtre/Scadutree. Since nothing ever really dies then maybe they can be reincarnated in some way. Maybe by force of will? Kind of like how you eat Bayle's heart yet his sheer rage continues to try and return.

Regarding the similarly between Miquella and Serosh, the latter had a separate existence as a Lord of Beasts before becoming Godfrey's advisor. My guess is the Two Fingers turned Serosh into a being akin to the shadowbound, meaning that had Hourah Loux prevailed, Serosh would have regenerated and turned him back into Godfrey. That would explain why Serosh casually let Godfrey snap his neck.

I feel so sorry for Radahn and mohg they both got screwed royally here, Radahn robbed of the peace we finally granted him and mohg robbed of his dignity by being manipulated and having his body desecrated

People are still finding things now, like Quelagg just found that the Helphen's Steeple sword is a model of Messmer's tower and that and the Tibia Mariner's are in the same boats from the part of Shadow Castle with the Shadow Militiamen.

The manner of how Moore speak, he sounds like he is a bug or insectoid in nature. Idk... But he might be kindred of Rot in armor... He mostly speak very plainly and very quiet Thiolier is quiet too but his dialogue seem to be more complex than Moore.

Anybody else notice that Miquella, The Elden Twink has four arms? Seems significant, doesn't it?

7:01 you say it never ends but we only have one single example of a person coming back from the dead once WE kill them. Radahn. That’s it. The only time. Mohg in the sewers is an illusion, not real Mohg. Same with Margit for Morgott. We only fight the real version once when we kill them. Miquella divested himself of his body. That’s why he’s see-through. He’s a god that exists as just a soul. And once we kill his lord (who he basically fused himself with) he dies as well.

I think it's important to note the dragon head in the furnace golem is a drake head and not an ancient dragon. We know from the base game that drakes are more animalistic and violent than the ancient dragons. From Bayle's lore we also know that the ancient dragons have a grudge against the drakes as well. It's very possible the furnace golem was set upon by a rogue drake and not the other way around but I'm not sure if any faction would claim the attack for any political basis

Lyndell was definitely an imporant city pre-Marika's reign. If you overlap the maps, it's literally located on top of where the shadowtree would be.

The white hands around Radahn are just Miquella's enscorcellement. Miquella is there in person, now in his improved golden flesh no longer a child but a full-fledged god ready to take over the Lands Between. We kill them just before they'd return to the Lands Between and exact their plans.

Miquella's ring, the gesture, is him holding onto his consort.

You can save Moore. In my second playthrough I warmed the kindred of rot being and never spoke to him afterwards until after final boss and he was still there, special dialogue too.

I suppose in a land where death has a different purpose and meaning, the foragers aren’t as much of an issue. Rot is bad in the context of it taking away from life but when rotting occurs in the dead, it’s a way to feed new life.

I think Miquella's closed eyes are supposed to reference Buddha, similar to his crosses referencing Jesus. They're symbols of his apotheosis. Edit: Freyja and Ansbach both refer to Miquella's crosses as his "footprints" which is an overt reference to Buddha.

5:40 Oddball thought, maybe the reason for all finger morphology is because the first contact someone from the lands between had was touching the shooting star with their hand and it copied that into all its future forms and children?

I think we've definitely killed Miquella or as much as Miquella can be killed. Miquella has divested their body and emotions at every single cross point. So when he came out of the divine gates to buff Consort Radahn I think he was basically binding himself to his consort. So when we kill Radahn we kill Miquella. It would be like killing Ranni's puppet I guess.

miquella's eyes are gold in childhood, but grey after ascending to divinity

It was Marika's plan all along, every single thing we do is Marika's will, we all thought that playing the main game but the dlc explains it, the Greater Will abandoned the Lands Between long before Marika ascended to godhood this is confirmed because we find out Metyr the mother of fingers and daughter of the Greater Will was abandoned by the god long ago, which means every single action the fingers make does not come from the guidance of the Greater Will or any god, therefore the grace that guides us can only come from Marika.

I don't think the current layout of the Land of Shadow was ever a part of the regular world. Rather the Land of Shadow is a dumping ground for parts of the world that were removed. This makes sense given how the areas of the map seem to be stacked endlessly on top of each other.

So why are people assuming that the shadow realm's locations have to have been in the lands between exactly as they are now? Think about it, if Marika just wanted to seal off places that she hated, what are the chances that ALL of those places just so happened to be exactly next to each other in a very neat, island like formation? Isn't it more likely that she took a patch from the north, one from the east, one from the west, etc. and one from right in the middle (the pillar, there's a cloud there on the lands between map), and when she transferred them from the lands between to the shadow realm, they kind of got sewn together? Indeed, many of the locations in the shadow realm don't have a proper transition and literally look sewn together.

My favourite and most mindblowing moment was when Miquellas rune broke and his spell broke. As soon as this happend I revisted all NPC. Their changed dialoges gave me goosebumbs. All the implications with Mogh and probaly Malenia.

Gotta love how RU-vid just did notify me at all about this vid. Not just notification, even in my subscription feed it's not there, I was luck to have been recommended it.

I find it funny to think that the forager brood created alcohol as a rot potion 😅

Fire Giants and Dragons appear in the Furnace Golem because Messmer's crusade happens after the War Against the Fire Giants. We know this because Messmer was friends with Radahn who was only born after the Birth of the Erdtree and therefore after Godfrey was at the Mountaintops. Plenty of time to get some Modern Dragons and Fire Giants in there.

The final fight would have been SO much better if it had been one phase of just Radhan and one phase of just Miquella. That would clear up the whole question regarding why he also dies when we beat Radhan. As it is now the final fight we’ll likely ever get for Elden Ring just feels like a worse reskin of the Lorien and Lothric fight. Kinda disappointing honestly

Miquella abandoned his body, no? In that case he wouldn’t have a body for us to worry about killing. He handled that part for us

Did y’all know scadu is a Romanian word that translates to decay so it’s states the word decay tree or decaying tree

telling moore to essentially give up after miquella breaks his charm is even more sad seeing him holding onto the injured forager. shit had me in tears :,(

There's so much to work out in this DLC. This will be our age of plenty.

The scadutree did come before the erdtree after all, and Marika planted the Erdtree to supercede the Scadutree's influence and enshrouded the land of shadow. I do think there's a reason the Scadutree symbol is on the Erdtree

Sorry to spoil the Elden ring series, but I think it would be a great addition to your dark souls 1 collection a video about the titanite demons/slabs. There's so much interesthing aspects involving it. For instance, notice the presence of a titanite demon in Darkroot garden, 800 years in the future long after the time the choosen undead traveled Oolacile and found(Or maybe missed?) a treasure chest containing a titanite slab right there at Kalameet's arena. I would like to add the curious use of lightning as the classic ranged attack of the demons, which make me remember the weapon upgrade chart which shows lightning is actually the only "elemental" type of ascention which uses standard titanite chunks, nor red/white/blue. And now leaving the demons aside, there are other curious correlations between the slabs and their magic, like the blue titanite slab found in a chest at the small pound at the beginning of the Darkroot garded of the past(DLC), which later in the current timeline, in the exact same spot, in the exact same chest, you can find the enchanted ember.

Messmer's eye sealed looks exactly like Marika's rune!

I thought “I am Malenia, blade of Miquella” was bad, but “Embraced by MESSSSSSSMERS flame” is not forever branded onto my brain

Miquella also has 3 arms? 2 are spectral and 1 is physical He got rid of his left arm at a cross which is clearly missing in the fight, He also got rid of his Eyes right? What is the significance of this stripping of flesh process and why didn't he just rid himself of his entire body like ranni but only specific Chunks of it? I think that's a huge hint

Why is Metyr underwater? What are these tubes in her arena? Also have we ever seen her arena in some unused concept art? I couldn’t find any but I kinda remember seeing something similar before.

HADES MUSIC MENTIONED

Radahn : I do not want to become your consort!!! Miquella: but you got your own Serosh ... Radahn : DEAL!!!

I think Miquella’s spectral hands parallel less Sarosh and are moreso meant to parallel Ranni’s spectral other half, her head and face specifically. The fact Ranni also has 4 arms further leans into this.

Fromsoft are unforgivable making us fight radahn again and not hear his voice.

Blind Swordsman was not alone, they had the Blue Faerie. What was the Blue Faerie?

The soreseal and the iris of grace are not the same thing.

We never see Marika’s eyes either

I don't think much has changed if you overlay the maps. It completely fits into the middle, both trees overlapping and actually giving rise to the idea, that the divine towers in the lands between maybe have something to do with it. The "Pillar" in the dlc area is about in the middle of them all, maybe acting as some sort of conduit for whatever Marika did to phase it? We also have the dragon area overlapping with caelid and farum azula above, tieing together their stories really well as well. I definitely think this is not as much of a mystery as people make it out to be.

6:53 you just put the Gothic 2 base Game music in it and I love it !

huh Mesmer's eye is literally Marika's soreseal

Makes sense if he has no eyes since he also abandoned them

Always add chapters. Greater replay value

Someone has decrypted Miquella’s mod which shows he has grey eyes in the final battle but golden eyes in the last cutscene after defeating Radahn.

I feel as if miquella divested himself of his eyes so that the outer gods would not have sway over him seeing as the outer gods so frequently use eyes for things

If there is a mother of fingers, is there also a father of fingers???

Cool cool.nice. thats cool . YOU CAN NOW SUMMON TORRENT FOR WHAT?

There are no good guys in the land between, only those with the grit to survive - shadow chaser