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10 Facts Even Watch Snobs Don't Know About the Rolex Submariner 

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@watchfinder
@watchfinder Год назад
We know you want more watches…. click here: linktr.ee/watchfinder
@ronpurvis9037
@ronpurvis9037 Год назад
I owned a Rolex submariner for 50 years. One thing you didn't mention was staring you right in the face. The submariners sold in Europe in those days, stated meters first and feet second on the face. The ones sold to North America were in feet first, meters second. My watch was about a 1968 or 1969 model, as I purchased it in 1970. What made my watch unusual for the Canadian market, that it was a "meters first" watch. The dial read " 200 m or 660 ft. It had a mat black bezel, not a ceramic one. The dial had no metal rings around the numbers, just faded light dots, that were originally a faint green. Rolex repainted them to the white markers when I sent it to them for a routine cleaning. It also had no date. My model was not a chronograph. The date was only available in the chronograph models. I sold it a few years ago for some stupid reason. I have regretted parting with it ever since. Although it had been through a very rough life with me, it never had a scratch on it. The crystal would scratch, as it was a hexalite type, but I simply polished out any scratches with a metal polish. On the last routine service, Rolex classified it as a vintage watch. Moral of the story, if you have a submariner and are thinking a selling it, place it on your dresser for 6 months. If you still want to sell after that time, do so. I bet you will wear it again before six months has passed and you will be thankful you never sold it. If some gave me that advice, I would have never sold mine.
@andrewallen9993
@andrewallen9993 Год назад
The hexalite crystal on an old Rolex like that of a Vostok Amphibia will not shatter on impact unlike that on a modern Rolex.
@randyvfromtheperch
@randyvfromtheperch Год назад
I think you mean to say "...only available on the CHRONOMETER models..." Rolex never used the term chronograph on their watches. The Daytona is a Chronometer Cosmograph. Shame you sold it.
@chrisreed3929
@chrisreed3929 7 месяцев назад
It's the only watch I can confidently state that I will never sell. I have never owned any other watch that just feels so right.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
Wish you had mentioned that 904L is not a proprietary steel and that Omega used it before Rolex and that brands like Horage also use it but don't charge a fortune for it.
@marcd7332
@marcd7332 5 месяцев назад
And?
@morphyon
@morphyon Год назад
I picture this exact situation to happen at your summer party: *Andrew chatting with random guest* „…And that‘s why Rolex has to be in every video title…“ *random guys’ eyes fixed on Andrew‘s hands* „…hey, my eyes are up here!“
@n.shanga6389
@n.shanga6389 Год назад
I would love to hear more about Blancpain's dive watch history.
@dbob3405
@dbob3405 Год назад
I started my meager watch collection with a stainless steel rolex my wife purchased for me as a graduation present when she was visiting relatives in England in the mid 80’s. I eventually traded up to a gold and stainless submariner with blue dial. I have traded and wheeled and dealed to my final 6 which will likely be my last-3 Pateks, an Audemars Royal Oak Offshore, a Ulysses Nardin Diver and the Rolex Sub. Most of my watches were sports watches because they needed to survive my many fishing trips both offshore and in the bush. The submariner was definitely a watch that could survive these trips. It is not the best of the bunch but it still runs like a workhorse and I am still in love with the look. It is a classic and always will be
@_sr
@_sr Год назад
Yeah, 36 mm explorer is the original bond watch❤
@Dooguk
@Dooguk Год назад
But....he's a fictional character
@tudorserban111
@tudorserban111 Год назад
@@Dooguk It was Ian Fleming's real life watch too.
@amgaida
@amgaida Год назад
The hands and the voice and the outstanding videography is really what your channel is about. It should stay like that and please don’t show your face into the camera all the time. It destroys what it was before. ☹️
@RoberttSmithh
@RoberttSmithh Год назад
Agreed
@ComicBookVeteran
@ComicBookVeteran Год назад
Loved it as always! Would love to hear you do the history of the Submariner.
@deecarter1059
@deecarter1059 Год назад
The Watchfinder RU-vid channel was so much better when the videos centred on sumptuous macro video of the watches rather than the presenters.
@gfxdaddy
@gfxdaddy Год назад
The Watchfinder RU-vid channel was so much better when they had actual content and weren’t just fishing for clicks.
@exvan3571
@exvan3571 7 месяцев назад
Pre-Richemont
@SlabSweptClean
@SlabSweptClean 4 месяца назад
Don’t be such a bitch about it
@peachlandtaxi919
@peachlandtaxi919 Год назад
I know that this shiny ceramic bezel is a big mistake ⌚ (It should be matte like the Tudor bezel)
@peachlandtaxi919
@peachlandtaxi919 Год назад
@@SaintWill70 100% Just take a look how much effort they make to avoid the the reflections and the shiny bezel in this video.
@huguninpearl
@huguninpearl 4 месяца назад
At nkuwan it's not just a bag; it's an art piece. Each design is crafted with unique inspiration and craftsmanship. The exquisite production process reveals not just a bag, but a fashionable feast for the senses.
@VicharB
@VicharB Год назад
Somehow I nearly always click like even before I finish watching your videos, even when it is on or about Rolex. :) P.S. I knew 7 of the 10 facts. :p
@mr22guy
@mr22guy Год назад
I found it interesting that the sub basically went straight from acrylic to sapphire.
@panosa963
@panosa963 Год назад
Would you know the ratio between date/ no date sold?
@DodyChai
@DodyChai Год назад
Feature the Cartier Santos next as not much people knows that it is the first wristwatch made for men.
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 Год назад
And the first sports steel watch!
@KyleWongCO
@KyleWongCO Год назад
Listening to your narration for so long makes it hard to put a face to the voice, but glad you’re now in front of the camera!
@saymyname218
@saymyname218 Год назад
The first Submariner that i saw in a movie was "The Deep" staring Nick Nolte who wore one all the way through the film.
@skyworks1621
@skyworks1621 Год назад
It was extremly hard to get, but knowing the history around it and my love for it since beeing young watching 007 I love it.
@Explorer40mm
@Explorer40mm Год назад
The only issue with Rolex is they’re a customer service nightmare. In Canada they sell multiple watches to the same few buyers whether they ask for them or not, while selling none to everyone else. One Chinese real estate agent in my group gets a new Rolex every month from his AD while everyone else waits. It’s gross.
@notDonaldFagen
@notDonaldFagen Год назад
Earlier ceramic no date Subs are like 7-8k now.
@josefelixmiguel9700
@josefelixmiguel9700 Год назад
Really interesting 👏👏👏👏👏
@hughmckendrick3018
@hughmckendrick3018 Год назад
Do more iconic watches along this content line, please.
@kungen1117
@kungen1117 Год назад
I would like to hear about yacht master
@cybergunstore5905
@cybergunstore5905 Год назад
Nice video I learned a lot. Are you sure about the figures of « few hundreds to 1200$ today compared to ten times the actual price of today? » If it was 300$ in the 50’s it is maybe for than 4 times the price today?
@cybergunstore5905
@cybergunstore5905 Год назад
Yes you are right. I have double checked 🤣
@skeelo69
@skeelo69 Год назад
If you have time to review the recent trip to the ISS by US Astronaut Peggy Whitson...and i am talking about the Axiom mission you can clearly see what timepiece is strapped to her left arm....it's an Omega Speedmaster.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
​@@SaintWill70Bit touchy, I wonder why?
@redcat9436
@redcat9436 Год назад
Tritium isn't a paint. It's a gas encapsulated in a glass bead.
@lx95020
@lx95020 10 месяцев назад
Now it comes in tubes so it can be used on watches. Back then it was applied like lume is now.
@dritzzdarkwood4727
@dritzzdarkwood4727 Год назад
The other format worked better.
@lp9280
@lp9280 Год назад
The watch inflation is ridiculous... obviously I do not expect to buy Submariner for $1,200... that is if Rolex would even sell me one, but $10,000 price tag is also stupid. I think realistic price for comparable Rolex and Omega should be ~$2,500-4,000... and the rest is just false scarcity the Rolex has created. Omega is overpriced as well, but at least you can buy their watches, but the reason Omega can charge $8,000 is just because Rolex artificially crated false scarcity and this Omega almost looks cheap considering their quality is the same if not even better.
@Jesusandbible
@Jesusandbible Год назад
Yes.... what strap did James Bond have ob his Rolex Submariner watch? Any idea?
@JosephsCoat
@JosephsCoat Год назад
The price relative to inflation is heartbreaking. If I could get a Sub for $1200 I’d own ten of them 😂
@thecornerbutchershopbeverl7809
would love to hear the history and evolution of the Rolex gmt master and master 2
@weiniesail
@weiniesail Год назад
You forgot Nicholas cage in national treasure
@BWB31975
@BWB31975 11 месяцев назад
Wow! I've learned a lot about the Submariner in the last couple of years, mostly from this channel, so I was not expecting this video to contain a lot of new information. It was all new! Thanks and great job. P.S. You look just I like thought you would back in the hands-only days.
@deathbysonar
@deathbysonar Год назад
I picked up a Cronos V2 Submariner Homage. I love it! I would highly recommend to anyone searching for the next best thing to a Rolex Sub.
@RoberttSmithh
@RoberttSmithh Год назад
Sugess seastar is the best sub homage
@heinz-haraldfrentzen1261
@heinz-haraldfrentzen1261 Год назад
First point about the 904L steel. It also acts as a counterfeiting deterrent in that the cutting equipment normally used for 316L steel will deteriorate considerably faster if you try to use it on 904L steel.
@robertposteschild2353
@robertposteschild2353 Год назад
why?
@riccaregio
@riccaregio Год назад
Unless is because of the higher molibdenum content for some reason I don't think so. Is softer than 316 and we use that for all sorts and is commonly machined without any issues
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
Not true, it's softer than 316 steel. Weren't you paying attention?
@robertposteschild2353
@robertposteschild2353 Год назад
It doesn't. You have no idea what you are talking about.
@mwiethoff
@mwiethoff 3 месяца назад
904L was first used by Rolex in 1985 🎉
@seang2822
@seang2822 Год назад
The inflation number is an odd one.. the reality is government published inflation figures are wrong when applied to most things … how much was a house in the 1950s in most suburbs vs today? Or how much was the average car? Or even average income ?
@shanephillips8735
@shanephillips8735 Год назад
Ring toss! I'm there!
@danielwilliams2467
@danielwilliams2467 Год назад
Really liked this. Do explorer II next
@tynchytemper9618
@tynchytemper9618 Год назад
I can almost guarantee that a timex and casio have been into space at least once each. Pretty sure a Seiko has been to the moon?
@jaur8183
@jaur8183 Год назад
I want to buy Rolex because I love only its logo!! and its limitation for buying. Like buying Hermès bag 😂🤣
@Rainism969
@Rainism969 Год назад
Submariner and Sea dweller are those watches that I own just to “tick the box” without any love or hate, just nothing, no feeling whatsoever. Unlike JLC, PP or VC, they are full of passion for me.
@jimmylight4866
@jimmylight4866 10 месяцев назад
Your a goof.
@erik7346
@erik7346 Год назад
His voice is just perfect for reviews
@BAF605
@BAF605 Год назад
You missed the fact that the first watch in space was a Sturmanskie worn by Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, not a Speedmaster
@rm783
@rm783 Год назад
Thank you for the truth
@n8tn808
@n8tn808 Год назад
Cool! Thanks!!!
@cdm765
@cdm765 Год назад
Hating Rolex is about as original as loving Rolex. It is an exceptional brand in all ways, so I choose to love it.
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 Год назад
Well done! I loved hearing about the history, including why Rolex used 904L steel!
@phasespilly6106
@phasespilly6106 Год назад
I have one from the 90’s I believe
@TheDanielduong
@TheDanielduong 6 месяцев назад
After watching this video, I kept thinking, nothing convinced me to get a submariner over a Casio G-Shock 5600.
@ytdavidkwei
@ytdavidkwei Год назад
Oh finally. Your face !!! 😅😅😅
@simonw3872
@simonw3872 Год назад
Nice photography. As much cheese around the cyclops as a stuffed crust pizza 😊. Why do they do it?
@Agent-vj3ns
@Agent-vj3ns 8 месяцев назад
Wow. Your last couple sentences explain why vsf can make such stunning 1:1 replicas for less than six hundred dollars. Even the decorated movement is an exact copy of the 3235.
@MrRevvvhead
@MrRevvvhead Год назад
Rsvp yes please.
@danielmelendez9943
@danielmelendez9943 Год назад
Should feature Sinn U- T-SDR
@richardflaskegaard3760
@richardflaskegaard3760 Год назад
Did the submariner make modifications that would meet the US Navy specs? Or was the selection process simply political? And who won the choice of the US Navy?
@jim2950
@jim2950 Год назад
That my blue two toned 37mm Invicta pro diver keeps great time. It should it has a Seiko movement. $49.00
@johnsanabria3279
@johnsanabria3279 Год назад
I have 3 Invicta Pro Divers,one being a quartz model. The irony is that the quartz model--an earlier model--actually looks like a Submariner!
@jim2950
@jim2950 Год назад
@@johnsanabria3279
@jim2950
@jim2950 Год назад
This cheap Invicta keeps great time. I have had compliments on the watch. It seems very dependable. For the price I consider it expendable. But it does not act expendable. It is very accurate. So I just add to my collection. I went to an estate sale. I picked up a 1980's Seiko for ten dollars. It is a day date. looks great it is two toned and looks nice The big watch for me this year is the Seiko green Alpininst. My serious watches are Omega watches from 1934 to 1973. I love my vintage omega watches.
@007-i6z8v
@007-i6z8v Год назад
I love mine to bits and pieces.I have six different models and all keepers.
@teenoso4069
@teenoso4069 Год назад
The intrinsic value of a Submariner was put at £2,500 when compared to its peers
@lx95020
@lx95020 10 месяцев назад
Poor Blancpain.........no one will ever says a Submariner is a knockoff of the 50-fathoms. I guess it is not who creates an amazing watch, but who makes it better.
@micaljimenez7381
@micaljimenez7381 4 месяца назад
People buy rolex because its rolex,its an aspirational brand,the poor rich,or middle class dream of rolex like a social statut..rich guy buy pateck or AP ,very rich buy richard mille or jacob and co,rolex is just like the minimum for entry in jet set illusion...
@SheffieldRock
@SheffieldRock 9 месяцев назад
Next watch: Deepsea, the Supermariner
@euanbegbie
@euanbegbie Год назад
These are all well known points? Wtf?
@Jasonkenny-
@Jasonkenny- Год назад
Is this the first face to camera on this channel? Did I miss something?? Thought I was watching t’other channel…
@Guitarorpheo
@Guitarorpheo Год назад
1. Its design is stolen from Blancpain. 2. It's overpriced 3. There's better out there 4. It's boring 5. It's boring 6. It's boring 7. It's boring 8. It's boring 9. It's boring 10.It's boring Bonus: Rolex should be named trolex, for how shitty they treat new customers.
@chriscon8463
@chriscon8463 Год назад
11. I still want one.
@Guitarorpheo
@Guitarorpheo Год назад
@@chriscon8463 I lack that gene, I'm afraid. I don't want a rolex unless my life depended on it. The 11k of a Sub can give me an amazing JLC. Why go the pedestrian route when you can take the road of Kings?
@chriscon8463
@chriscon8463 Год назад
@@Guitarorpheo Don’t get me wrong…I wouldn’t pay what they’re asking now, either second-had or retail. I’d honestly rather have a 39mm green-dialed GO SeaQ!
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
​@@chriscon8463Have you tried one on? In the flesh they aren't that impressive.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
​@@chriscon8463Good shout with the GQ.
@vincent67239
@vincent67239 Год назад
I have a Deepsea JC and I still want a Submariner 😂
@Semper_Iratus
@Semper_Iratus Год назад
Is it a real rolex?😊
@KeepingWatchUK
@KeepingWatchUK Год назад
Fact 1. Watchfinder charge far too much for a pre-owned one!
@tudorserban111
@tudorserban111 Год назад
Rolex grey market prices in general seem to be ridiculously high in the UK.
@Tom_H327
@Tom_H327 Год назад
Well, if Rolex is going to be so stingy and narcissistic about their product, so I will be about their product never entering my collection. I don't have time for their BS. 😂
@robertborg1905
@robertborg1905 Год назад
Is there a huge voice edit that puts it out of sync or am I imganing
@Soloseas
@Soloseas Год назад
I don’t understand why the comparison is made with how much this watch should cost with inflation. Early references were true tools watches not luxury watches. Modern references are true luxury watches in the guise of a tool watch.
@JaxWatchesandEDC
@JaxWatchesandEDC Год назад
Nah, it’s an overhyped tool watch. The Rolex Submariner is a $3,000 watch all day long. It’s not like the thing is hand finished like a Grand Seiko.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
​@@SaintWill70BS, typical Rolex fan boy, all you have is your micro adjustment bracelet. The GS kicks Rolex's butt in every other regard. Rolex, built by machines assembled by technicians. GS assembled by watchmakers.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
​@@SaintWill70Get you, you equate price with quality. If Rolex sold its watches for half the price, you wouldn't want one. I've handled both and GS is leagues ahead.
@datdudeinred
@datdudeinred Год назад
Apart from the deep sea (the one made for james cameron's deepsea challenger mission) everything else rolex made is a shitty way to spend your money imo. I would rather pay same money or less for a JLE.
@AGC828
@AGC828 5 месяцев назад
So there was one SUb with a
@MrHighbury
@MrHighbury Год назад
Patiently waiting for mine at the end of the year
@MrKurns
@MrKurns Год назад
So the US Navy failed it for water tightness? Did Rolex fix this?
@alsaeedm
@alsaeedm Год назад
Old format better.
@oldboygeorge7688
@oldboygeorge7688 Год назад
The turdor one is better 😂
@jayebirdjb7143
@jayebirdjb7143 Год назад
Is anyone else sick of Rolex.
@Illsamustache
@Illsamustache Год назад
Because the Sub has been so heavily copied, I find them boring these days. There are so many more interesting options available for 1/2 the price or less. I wouldn’t ever buy a Submariner, or any Rolex really. They’re just hype, imo.
@ultimaetsolder
@ultimaetsolder Год назад
Face doesn't match the voice. Please just stick to showing watches!
@andrewd7586
@andrewd7586 Год назад
So how’s your RU-vid channel going?… 🤡
@viking1101
@viking1101 Год назад
Miss the old format…
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
They are on tour so don't have the same staff with them to produce the same content.
@4NowIsGood
@4NowIsGood Год назад
You don't look like your voice.. or is that an A.I. avatar?
@joem198
@joem198 Год назад
I like this guy a lot better when I didn’t see his face for some reason, his voice in face don’t match
@wintermute8315
@wintermute8315 Год назад
Because why would you spend so much money on watches instead of, I dunno, hair plugs or dentistry?
@Dooguk
@Dooguk Год назад
@@wintermute8315 Maybe you could spend some on decorum lessons?
@cocoyc495
@cocoyc495 3 месяца назад
The submariner is for windowlickers who think they wear a special luxury watch
@zillsburyy1
@zillsburyy1 Год назад
#1 dont buy it
@jerrysanchez5453
@jerrysanchez5453 Год назад
I'm gonna be honest this channel has become even more of a click bait joke at this point then the submariner
@gilbertohollanda3841
@gilbertohollanda3841 Год назад
Best dive watch ever
@BasedHadrian
@BasedHadrian Год назад
Yeah diving at your desk in the office 😂
@MichaelDavis-pq6ei
@MichaelDavis-pq6ei Год назад
A good dive watch but you could do so much better with that amount of money.
@Semper_Iratus
@Semper_Iratus Год назад
But is it real?😊
@MichaelDavis-pq6ei
@MichaelDavis-pq6ei Год назад
@@Semper_Iratus A very fare question 👍
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
The US navy obviously didn't think so.
@3316xtendedmedia
@3316xtendedmedia Год назад
You buy Rolex to be seen,a Grand seiko for yourself. Rolex owners are the people you avoid on a party,because they have the depth of an egg.
@jali898
@jali898 Год назад
But our pockets are deep as well 😂😂
@3316xtendedmedia
@3316xtendedmedia Год назад
@@jali898 true said.And your right. Chapeau
@lenf3641
@lenf3641 Год назад
That statement of a person who will never afford a Rolex.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
​@@jali898No they aren't because real rich people don't buy Rolex, too common.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 Год назад
​@@lenf3641There we have it, the typical Rolex fan boy reply, I can easily afford one, even grey market prices but nah, just too blah.
@kroon275
@kroon275 Год назад
Rolex is so over rated
@brandonwilliam5475
@brandonwilliam5475 Год назад
I think, you should go back to the old way of doing videos. No disrespect, I really mean it, but you guys weren’t blessed with the best looks lol I hope you see that as funny and not mean. Also, the room you are in looks so depressing. Nothing wrong with the original way of doing things. Again, I don’t mean to disrespect.
@impexRQ
@impexRQ Год назад
Just don’t watch it if you don’t like it -
@STEVEARABIA1
@STEVEARABIA1 Год назад
You must be fun at parties. And yes, that’s disrespectful and just dickish.
@brandonwilliam5475
@brandonwilliam5475 Год назад
@@STEVEARABIA1 I think I wasn’t, if I wanted to be like you say I would have said something like he looks like Sid from the Ice Age movie. But I didn’t say that.
@tomislavblazevic2742
@tomislavblazevic2742 Год назад
Well done, perfect demonstration of a sociopath personality.
@fishrowe420
@fishrowe420 Год назад
You ever notice how when someone says, "No disrespect, but..." The next thing out of their mouth is disrespectful...😂
@119fatty
@119fatty Год назад
Please do the Breitling Navitimer next. It was my favorite watch before I cared about watches.
@valter_vava74
@valter_vava74 Год назад
The Submariner is also the watch more likely to get you mugged :-D
@goldencalf5144
@goldencalf5144 Год назад
$10,000? Hah! I bought a Submariner in Bali for $50.
@donaldmckinney1333
@donaldmckinney1333 Год назад
Well done now try selling it for 13000 ! That would be the clever part
@Anon_Anon
@Anon_Anon Год назад
It's weird. As a teen, I hated Rolex so much, especially the ones with cyclops. I thought they looked too "old-fashioned." In my late 20s and early 30s, I still felt that Rolex was boring compared to brands like Omega. However, in my late 30s, I began to adore Rolex. They just make sense. They are nothing fancy, but timeless pieces that will never go out of fashion. You can wear them anywhere and for any occasion. They are practical. Maybe Rolex is just meant for people in my age group. Enough ranting.
@gman4473
@gman4473 Год назад
Agreed I'm 39 and like Rolex very much
@julienfroidevaux1143
@julienfroidevaux1143 Год назад
Even at the prices today ? Back in the day they literally cost a few thousand dollars in today's money . At these prices I could get on board . 10 K for a steel tool watch ?
@timtim2949
@timtim2949 Год назад
I agree, with one exception: I definitely still detest the cyclops. It completely throws off the balance of the overall aesthetics.
@mitchd949
@mitchd949 Год назад
Yes, I look at it like a tool or instrument, not a piece of jewelry. I wear my sub every day for every activity.
@julienfroidevaux1143
@julienfroidevaux1143 Год назад
@@mitchd949 That's the way it should be .
@verynormalman
@verynormalman Год назад
Tool watch, it's definitely not. Too shiny. Too fancy. The only tool connection is the man you'll meet at a party, who will talk and talk about how much his watch is worth this week. Forget Rolex. Go to Tudor, for the real experience. It's what Rolex should be making now.
@Troy211
@Troy211 Год назад
Welder here, 904 is a higher grade than 316.
@RoberttSmithh
@RoberttSmithh Год назад
But let’s be real. No one really buys a submariner to dive with
@vincemarshall9520
@vincemarshall9520 12 дней назад
@@RoberttSmithh I take mine off and dive with a cheap Seiko. Tells great time and has an alarm that functions underwater.
@istvantoth7431
@istvantoth7431 Год назад
Should have started with a huge, healthy slap.
@miloskosanovic7529
@miloskosanovic7529 Год назад
Interesting that you keep referring to the Submariner while showing the Submariner Date....
@fishrowe420
@fishrowe420 Год назад
I'm wearing my 100 dollar 1953 homage while watching this.... wishing I had an extra half million just laying around.
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