I run everything from vinyl. I can vary the disc speed too. 16rpm for text file, 33rpm for video 45 rpm for gifs and 78rpm for audio. By adjusting the speed I find I don't need multiple bays as when I start running low I slow down the spped with the pitch control. If you choose this method too, I suggest using direct drive or idler drive types. The belt drive systems can cause read errors due to minor speed fluctuations.
I have 4 of their enterprise units in production at my day job, a 4bay on my desk and an unsupported version of their OS running on an old computer. - I love Synology.
I just bought the 1820+. I put in 2 m.2 1TB drives for cache and tossed in 16GB RAM and a 10GB card. Absolutely love the Synology. I also run a 10G Microtik switch for my core, two Microtik 5 port 10G as edge switches with CAT 8, and put a 10G card in all my rigs. I transfer to the NAS at about 6G and copy from it to my Rigs at the full 10G. Aggregation on the Synology is cool if that's all you have, but nothing beats a 10G card
Now you can get a used Cisco Nexus 3048, Catalyst 4948E, or the older Catalyst 4948-10Ge now. Remove one of the fans if noise is an issue. Which isn't a big deal in the Nexus unit. Also using LACP (aka Bonding) helps give you more bandwidth. So you could get 20 gigs to the network. There are other bonding modes available as well.
My first NAS was a QNAP, I only had issues with it. After migrating my data to a Synology NAS, I am never going back to Qnap. I can't recommend Synology NASes highly enough. They are great, stable and work...
6 лет назад
Another fan-less enterprise switch is Ubiquiti's EdgeSwitch Lite 24. It's a managed switch with 24 Gigabit ports and has 2 SPF+ cages.
You should let people know that if you buy one NAS, you really need to get 2 of them. Why? Because a NAS is not a backup!!!! There are many things that can and will go wrong. So the second NAS is for backup. Use rsync which most all NAS support. My backup NAS powers on 2 days a week late night so my main NAS can backup to it. In the morning it’s powered off once again. It’s automatic which makes things simple. Trying to manually backup gigs of data is not practical and you’ll give up doing it pretty fast. But if/when you lose your data, you’ll be glad you have a real backup. Raid is. It a backup. Other then say raid1. This is really all your files going on one HDD, with a clone if everything on the second drive. That is a backup. Where as raid 5 and others are not. But if you have a fire or theft of your NAS, you lose all your data. So if you can, main NAS at home, backup your NAS at home as it can be a ton of data, then bring that backup to work or a family members home, and then you can backup still using rsync from your house to the backup NAS at a remote location. Which is the best way to go. You’re not going to backup 10TB of data for example on some paid cloud service site!!! For one thing, uploading that much data would take weeks. If you have a 1TB internet cap, that would take 10 months to backup using all your cap on a backup. The cost is crazy high. Much cheaper to just get a second NAS. But again, a NAS is not a backup unless that data is also someplace else. I have a high end Intel CPU NAS as my main NAS which is running PLEX and so forth, and then a used, almost new low end ARM CPU NAS for my backup. It works for my needs. It’s really the only practical way to go when you have Terabytes of data!!!!!!
This exactly. Off-site backup be it cloud or another synology is essential. It may be necessary to do the first big sync locally if you have bandwidth limits.
The External SATA drive bay limits the 5 x drives in it to having to share a SATA version 1 connection of 1.5Gbps you should NOT create a RAID volume across the internal and external drive bay, you should have 2 separate RAID groups.
That’s an insane price just for a case. I would pay for that if it included the hard drives...I’ll stay in the clouds for now until I win the lotto or they bring down the price to at least 50% off.
Good to note with the M.2 support that it does NOT support Nvme drives, only M.2 SATA, so you're not missing out on a whole lot with choosing the 10gbe PCIe card over the M.2 one. The M.2 SATA can just be replaced with a standard 2.5" SSD.
True, and iirc I THINK I could've just used one of the drive bays for a normal SATA drive for caching too? but I filled them anyway haha
6 лет назад
If you're strapped for cash you can install xpenology on any PC, works pretty great and if you need only 4 bays max I recommend buying a HP Proliant microserver gen8 and doing just that, can't be beat for the price.
Fantastic video, thank you. I don't need anything near this sophisticated yet, but it's good to know how it would be configured if needed in the future. 👌
Nice dream set up. Sadly most of us are not sponsored. I have 5x Synology devices I have acquired over the past 7 years and as they are the affordable models they are not expandable, slow, and really underpowered for what they are. Anyone looking at your set up will want to double it so they can have an OFFSITE back up of their files, as relying on the RAID alone, especially if you are only on RAID 5, at quite a substantial risk of losing all the files you have during a rebuild or theft. I LOVE the Synology interface and Apps, however I now realize I can buy 2 units for the price of only one Synology, with more versatility in my choices for cheaper 10GBe LAN cards, easier RAM upgrades that won't void my warranty, faster CPUs for transcoding all running on other robust OS's. The other good thing about my Synology boxes is that it is easy to sell them off to finance my future projects. But if Synology and Western digital would like to sponsor me I will happily rave about them too :-p
Charles Rare apologies never saw this. 2x PCs running Unraid. That said, I now own a 1819+ had a job come in that helped pay for it. Back it up to a home brew unraid.
You'd have to give up one or two drive bays, or add another 5-bay expansion, but you COULD do a SSD cache and still have the 10GB network. I did this with my 1817+ and it's noticeable, but probably not as efficient as the on-board PCI-E card.
Nice video, I'm looking forward to getting my DS918+ in the mail. I don't need the kind of space you do so I hope it'll work out. I also like how this one has the spot on the bottom for (2) M.2 drives. We use a LOT of Synology products at work DS916's and a few rack mounts and they have all been the cats meow. I really can't think of a better nas experience. I know that you are in a apartment, but if you ever get a house you could replicate your setup and toss stuff off site in a garage or something. That's the only thing that I worry about, is the primary box going up in flames from a disaster or something. Glad I found your channel.
Yep off-site backup is very important and something I'm still working on. Hoping to get some cold storage archived at my parents' house - though it becomes difficult to pick and choose when you have so much data.
Yeah, I hear you on that. I have an older 2 bay Synology that I'll use to toss backups from the big guy to this, maybe toss it in the basement. I can't even imagine what you'll need to do... Sounds like you have a LOT of data and WAN links are only so fast... Tossing data on big externals and doing the cold storage like you mentioned would work pretty well, just rotate every once and a while maybe...?
The problem with that Synology NAS that I have is it only has 1 PCIE lane. So u either have to pick 10gbe or m.2. And u can’t get high read speeds with only a couple drives.
My unit hard a power supply fail issue, 1815+. Communicating with there tech support was via emails and was a nightmare. I did not loose any data and ultimately they corrected my issue via a warranty replacement. But was way more painful then it should be. It may be ok for a high profile user like Eposvox but not for the individual consumer. My suggestion is to check on any company's support policy before you buy. My experience with synology left a very poor taste in my mouth.
That's sad to hear. I actually started working with Synology because I had a poor customer service experience with QNAP last year (with a review unit, no less) that cost me data loss and Synology's was great to work with. That being said most people have wildly different experiences w/ support services for most companies, heh.
DON'T RAID your internal drives with the external drives.. it's a disaster in the making. If you loose the external unit, even a power drop or a cable knocked out, you'll loose the ENTIRE RAID array!
Meso Phyl lol. Ok. Try it and see. It’s true. the controller sees the loss of all of the drives in the external enclosure and will crash the RAID filesystem as it thinks all the drives have died..
@@SwampySi Actually you're wrong, he specifically states in the video that he's using SHR not RAID 10/5/etc, which means in the incredibly unlikely event that he loses the external unit then the system will recognise the loss of access to the unit and the data held on it will be inaccessible until it's reconnected. NB: the expansion units are specifically designed for the external drives to be raided with the internal drives, this is data centre tech, your argument is like saying data centers should all stop using SANs because the shelves connect together lol.
Some models of Synology (like 1515+) are failing due to the Intel C2000 Issue. Mine died exactly 1 year from the new purchase - last week. they do have a 4 year warranty , but its a hassle when it died. make sure the model you have does not have the Intel C2000 issue.
Coincidentally my 1515+ just died last month. No power. I emailed Synology got a quick RMA and my replacement one arrived today. So I will give them big credit for support.
Here's a quote, unfortunately not mine: If RAID 5 is an oxen cart, then ZFS is the Space Shuttle". With that, you already know everything you need to know not to entrust 80 TB to any NAS; instead, you will have to go FreeBSD, quality hardware + ECC RAM.
The most frustrating part of Synology servers, are their woefully inadequate CPUs. Even my RS3614XS is not powerful enough for Plex to transcode some of my 4K video files. It’s so frustrating. I love everything else about this NAS, but the transcoding part... By the way, I use DS2415+ to back up my entire RS3614XS, and each unit has up to 2 disk failure protection. That limits each NAS to about 60TB (older HDs too), but the level of data protection is pretty high... Not to mention having my DS2415+ syncing the most critical files to Box.com 😃😃😃 It’s an absolute blast though to move video files between my PC and my RS3614XS over a 10GB connection. Just last night I was reminded again what a sweet setup I have while moving several dozen video files totaling over 8.5GB, and the entire “move” was completed in under 15 seconds! 😂😂😂😜✌🏻
Wow, that is such a *HEAVY* Performance hit, going for Synology - just because it is less noisy. My NAS is also quite quiet when one door away (which may or may not be possible for everyone), does suck more energy but does 700MB/s easily and even caches it in RAM when copying to or reading from it. 96GB Installed (ECC ofc). I Thought about the Rackvariants back then - now i'm glad i did not go for them.
Actually, I'm apparently having an issue where jumbo packets/MTU size isn't saving properly and am working w/ Synology to resolve the issue. Other users of this have told me they get 700-800MB/s with it.
I just assumed I was bottlenecked by the spinning disks, but someone brought it up and I double-checked and the settings hadn't applied and etc. Should get it resolved next week w/ support and should be seeing better speeds. Might make a brief speedtest update video if so. Will be VERY excited if so, faster is always better, haha.
Please keep us updated then. I'm eager to see improvements made by Synology so they are "worth getting again". I'm gonna stay on my overkill 19" System but my friends do not thrill over having to do stuff to get their system running :D
Hiya an old clip I know however I have been toying with the idea of updating my system to 10GBe aswell. I have read though that the drivers for the cards for a standard O/S like Win10 or Win7 etc are practically non existent? What O/S are you using for the integration of the network? Will windows 10 pick up the cards without problems or am I looking at Server 2016 to run them on. Which defeats the object tbh for a home network and file sharing movie NAS etc?
Except there's nothing I would use frequently enough to make caching make sense - this is where my editing projects go. The source footage stays here, I render cache/preview files locally and then move the projects along when done. Only small things like my graphics assets would get cached. On my DS916+ I can already 100% saturate the gigabit connection on HDDs alone without a cache, so there's no speed test to be done. If I take out the 10gbe NIC, I'm going to hit 1gbps max regardless.
So i've got a 1817+ with 2 1TB SSDs cache. one of my SSDs is on it's last leg so I'd like to take this opportunity to upgrade them to 2TB SSDs. Can i do that without breaking the RAID?
Looks good Adam! What are you doing now as far as off-site redundancy? In other words, do you have plans in place for if something were to happen to the whole unit at your location, do you have backups off-premise, for example, at a friend or family's house?
Still working on that one. Obviously duplicating this would be idea, but far too expensive for me at current time. Currently my most crucial stuff - which is mostly family photos and etc., not actual work stuff - is getting archived to BluRays which I will store at my parents' home in temperature-appropriate area. At some point this year-ish I will set up a smaller NAS (or re-purpose one of my older ones) to hold the basics - graphics templates, final exports of videos, etc. and just store it (unpowered/offline) over there, too. We'll see.
What're you doing to back this data up? If this device fails or something catastrophic happens, do you have an off-site backup? Asking because I have two DS1817s and intended to backup A to B(offsite), but cannot find an elegant way of running a version managed backup over WAN when dealing with terabytes of video. i.e. when I film a new project and import 250GB+ data in a day, syncing that from A to B(offsite) obviously takes forever!
correct me if im wrong. But wouldnt it be a good idea to back up your data from your synology unit to another synology unit that is offsite? that way if for some reason your house burnt down youd still have a backup? Its awesome that synology have made data storage so reliable and simple but it still wont solve the problem of having an offsite backup :o
I can't find the video where you said what Raid setup you had that failed you. I have a Terra-Master 4 bay with options of 1,5,6,or 10 raid. Which raid should I use? I have 4 8TB drives. I'm thinking raid 5. Thoughts? I would be fine with Raid 1 and have 16TB redundency. Please let me know. Nice vids by the way.
I'm loving my family Synology 8 Bay NAS, it's been perfect. Heavily utilising the Web server feature along with Video Station as my Plex alternative! Good review as always Adam :)
This is a nice setup, but surely doesn't qualify as being "on the cheap"? Unless you mean that it's specifically "on the cheap" just for you due to sponsor freebies? You could have the same functionality by building your own NAS from older hardware at a much cheaper price.
Why, if you are using Windows Primarly, are you saying to enable NFS? You can only mount NFS shares in Windows if you enable NFS services for Windows but still deal with NFS based permissions. This can be very confusing to the lamen who doesnt understand how NFS works. You should clarify the two when stating such.
hey, at 8:00 you mention the "actual network location" instead of network drive. I didn't hear that one before, care to elaborate? Or is this just a windows-thing? since I use mac
Doesn't apply to Mac. In Windows you can either "Map network drive" to a drive letter (i.e. X:) or add a shortcut to the network location (i.e. \\192.168.1.127\Share), but on Mac you just already use network locations, so it's fine.
I never quite got along with a NAS and a Mac along with Plex and Roon (Roonlabs is rather excellent for music) ; DAS was far more stable for me. Went with Drobo 5Ds and have been happy for 5 years - really need an 8-bay DAS now though. Wonder why you didn't go with RJ45 10g card.
I wonder how many NAS the NASA must be scattering across the world..what with all the observatories and space collabs with partner nations. Whats your view on the Tiered storage from AMD on new ryzen chips , can a 2200G offer better than atom speeds for plex servers??
I wish I had not bought the sinology nas as it has an Annapurna chip in it that I didn't realize at the time wouldn't do well at transcoding Plex videos. Mine came with 10 gig but never used it. Just have the 1 gig. My understanding is it wouldn't help my transcoding by switching to 10 gig port unfortunately. A shame really.
At the moment i'm also using a Synology NAS and a DROBO 5D. But i'm looking to upgrade my NAS and i was looking at those new QNAP NAS with TB3/USB-C/SSD/HDD and 2 10GB ethernet ports built into it. Not sure what i should look for at the moment. I also wanted a 10GB Ethernet Switch but i want a full duplex managed one with QoS, i am a bit afraid however for the noise of the fans! So again, i will need to take a good look for that!. Anyway, it's the first time i'm on your channel and i like what i see. Do you do a lot of these sort of video's? If so, i will subscribe :-)
Is there anything special to setup with the switch. I've got the ASUS XG-U2008 switch and a compatible Intel RJ45 NIC for the NAS and the ROG AREION 10G NIC in the PC but only getting 1G speeds. A little more info on that would be great.
Try Backblaze. Even your current one may go haywire. They have B2 cloud for Nas backup. Just in case PC backup is not enough . Storage is unlimited for PC but for NAS its not but still a good solution. Just 5 bugs but getting the file might take some time based on the size. But no limit on file size yes unlimited file size. they have stored so far 500 pb.
BackBlaze cannot effectively restore multiple terabytes (nevertheless 10s of terabytes) of data. They've even said so in emails to potential customers. Therefore paying them to have my data is effectively useless and a waste of weeks of uploading.
No i agree it may be impossible. But they have option to restore the data via HDD option and you can send those HDD back to them. So its should not be a problem. Plus i have see few uploaded 11-15 TB of data. You can try and see. I know it takes weeks. More over the entire restore is not required unless something burns or fails. Always the option to restore a single files or folder of a project comes in handy. It is still a simple backup solution with unlimited data backup via pc.
I will confirm this from personal experience. I tried to upload 12TB over 18 months of MKV files and never got past 3TB without it falling over. They couldn't tell me what parts of the files that had been backed up, as with large files they break them up. Also the data that had been backed up i couldn't restore. After investigating it with them they offered me my money back which i took. They were an awful company to deal with. I brought a cheap Synology 4bay NAS with 4 x 8tb WD Reds and have this at my parent's house and this is the backup for my Synology NAS at my house. Works perfectly and much quicker to back up to.
did the 10 g card work without any setting changes ? also same q with your computer did you drop a 10g card in connect the 2 to the switch and 10 g was working ? or did you have to configure any settings on the nas or comp?
I can push/pull up to 500MB/s from the NAS, which is around 4gbps, which is not a full 10gbps but is 4x normal gigabit - still a huge upgrade for transfers and streaming my video work to my editor
1 drive can pretty much saturate a 1 GbE connection, with only 115 MB/sec typical transfer rates...; w/ 5 disks, this speed can be increased to about 4x that...; to exceed 115 MB/sec will require a faster network connection, typically 10 GbE, barring the 6 people using 2.5/5 GbE
I’ve got a question, if I setup let’s say 4 500gb hard drives now(cause I’m trying to save money for now till I can upgrade later) will I be able to switch out one of the drives for a 1tb later and let it rebuild the data then once it’s done switch out the next 500gb to 1tb and so on and so on till they are all 1tb drives and have it automatically adjust the space so that I’ve got more free space to work with? Cause that’s the one issue with regular raid that I’m trying to find a better solution to.
This is a really well made video, I just can't tell if it's an infomercial or if it's trying to teach me something. I think toeing the line on overt sponsored content here?
Well, it's both. All of my content has to had some educational core or there's no reason to upload it. But it's not "covert sponsored" - I say it's sponsored everywhere.
What kind of read/write speeds are you getting? I'm looking to do a similar setup but I'm working with 4K XAVC files from an FS7 so the bitrates are as high as 600Mbp/s per video stream.
I push/pull about 3Gbps - though I believe I have a PCIe limitation w/in my NVMe SSDs causing that - the NAS is capable of higher. But plenty enough for that footage. I frequently work with 1Gbps+ footage, which is why this was necessary for me :)
Looks great thanks! would you know if the 10Gb NAS would transfer faster than sata 3 speeds? if you had ssd cache and both 10Gb ports in link bonding mode.
10 GbE can do about ~1 GigaByte /sec, given enough spindles, fast cache, etc...; SATA3 is is limited to 550 MB/sec...assuming a good SSD is the source, as a single drive will not exceed 180-200 MB/sec throughput anyway
Once a video is up and rendered, why would you want to keep the data backed up. It's like buying a movie on dvd ...pointless as you never watch it again. Client stuff, yep for sure I'd back it up but I'd have the clients buy the backups and keep em.
lol this reasoning just makes no sense. I run a business. Videos are my product. Trashing my product once they're posted to a single site makes zero sense whatsoever.
guys, iif you want to use a nas to also record security cameras - do not buy synology - as they are greedy they only allow 2 free camera licenses (go check the cost for additional - realy expensive) qnap gives you a min of 4 free - now upgraded too 8 free if you use the qvr pro apps on the qnap
£145 for 4 lisences with synology, or 8 free with qnaps qvr pro, plus another 4 free with surveillance station so to get the same with synology would cost you £435, so yes case closed.
That's the expanded name, yes, but "WD" is also what they refer to themselves as and is an acceptable thing to say. Literally the last possible thing worth nitpicking in this video holy cow.
While the formal parent company name is "Western Digital," their brand and marketing all refer to a "WD" line of products, which is more than okay to refer to.
@@mattmcmhn That is not true, unless Intel has bought out Marvel Armada inbedded CPUs (which I do not believe they have) it does not require Intell processors on Synology NAS as I can run it on mine running a MARVELL Armada 385
@@williscooper7750 I didn't say Intel was required, I said certain models without Intel processors cannot run Plex. Here is the Plex NAS compatibility list for your reference, little boy: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MfYoJkiwSqCXg8cm5-Ac4oOLPRtCkgUxU0jdj3tmMPc/htmlview?sle=true
I cannot read from a CRT for hours on end, I can see them flicker even at over 100Hz. So I was kinda happy to get rid of them back then. But damn do Dreamcast games look beautiful via the VGA adapter on the CRT! There's a thing about your favourite system though. PS2. They implemented the flicker fixer circuit completely wrong, so nobody used it. Because of this there wasn't that much incentive to comp into a full progressive frame buffer. So when you wish its video was less crappy... Unfortunately it's not merely a surface level mishap that they could have fixed in a later iteration of the hardware, it goes much, much deeper.
Oh yeah, it'd require a full replacement of ALL video out tech on the machine, and a hardware bob deinterlacer built-in since most games did not have progressive scan.
I have a pretty much similar setup. 1817+ with 8x12TB helium datacenter drives with a 517 (5x10TB helium drives) and the 10G card hooked to my ubiquiti switches. The big issue was off-site backup... and TBH the only solution I found was to use my old 1815+ and two 513 expansion bays filled with every 4TB+ HDD I had from previous storage builds, fill it using rsync locally and ship it to my parents place. I then use a VPN and synology's sharesync to sync them every night (the VPN is required as Sharesync via synology quickconnect is throttled to 1mbit). I also do an LTO tape backup that I keep off-site every few months just in case a disaster occurs and a mass deletion gets synced or similar. Really wish synology would come out with a card like QNAP sells with both M.2 and 10G ethernet, I'd like cache even just to reduce the HDDs thrashing every time I read/write.
