@@jimmysmith2249 To be fair, Trek hasn't always been consistent with the interior size of its ships. A great example is Star Trek V, in which Spock, Kirk, and McCoy fly pass far more decks in the Enterprise A than what was described in past shows.
There's no way the ring in Lower Decks can be as big as the Earth's orbit. The thing only seems to be a few kilometres wide, and you can see cities at the other end with the naked eye. The star is probably not a real star, given that the computer in the episode was able to simply switch it off.
@@TheBucknativeIt would depend. But, on the basis that the average German aduly is 173 cm tall, you would need to lay approximately 1,734 Hamburgers head to toe to extend 3km.
I did expect the Spheres from Enterprise to make this list though at the lower end. especially as the network of them held enough power to completely change the nature of space for their builders
I was surprised the Delphic Expanse spheres from Enterprise S3 were excluded as well. Although dwindled down to 19 km in script, memory alpha states that they were originally scripted as 90 km. Either of which would be large enough to make this list if you use the size differentials of the humpback whale probe being included as a precedent.
@@firstname4337 Enterprise was far better than Voyager, lol. Heck anything was better than ToS as well (save maybe the animated series), that's why it got canceled twice in 3 seasons.
Star Trek’s depiction of a Dyson Sphere was terribly flawed… Showing the Enterprise in orbit and seeing any sign of curvature in the sphere was so wrong. The sphere should have appeared flat next to the Enterprise
Shouldn't it be a Niven Ring? Dyson came up with the sphere, yes, but Larry Niven (creator of Sean's favourites, the Kzinti!) was the one who thought up a Ringworld.
Both terms are accurate. A ringworld is just a variant of a dyson megastructure. From what I noticed the terms are usually used interchangeably in sci-fi, in actual "can we do this" science Dyson's name is more often used because unlike Niven he came from a purely scientific approach so a dyson sphere, like seen in TNG, was something he never really considered viable.
Corazonia is basically a copy of Larry Nivin's Ringworld. So to give some since of size and scale... The Ringworld is an artificial ring about one million miles wide and approximately the diameter of Earth's orbit (which makes it about 600 million miles in circumference), encircling a Sol-type star. It rotates, providing an artificial gravity equivalent to 99.2% of Earth's gravity by way of centrifugal force. Ringworld has a habitable flat inner surface equivalent in area to approximately three million Earth-sized planets. Radius: 1.5 × 108 km Circumference: 9.7 × 108 km Width: 1.6 × 106 km Height of rim walls: 1600 km Mass: 2 × 1027 kg Surface area: 1.6 × 1015 km2 Surface gravity: 9.69 m/s2 Spin velocity: 1200 km/s
Are you correct with the measure? Because there is every earth continent in it and mars and earth in the ocean. the ringworld has a weidth of 1.600.000 km. i think you have the measures of a halo ring
Yeah, based on what we saw on screen in Lower Decks, Corazonia is nowhere near this big. I think the sun must be some sort of artificial construct and it is a much smaller ring.
@@adamlytle2615 perhaps the sun is artifical but its a niven ring but in smaller size. Halo ring doesnt have a sun and dyson never make clear data over a dyson sphere and he doesnt make a dyson ring paper
Thinking of Voyager 6 in the Motion Picture, and I'm reminded of the Tumblr story about how the galaxy feels about human engineering. *Klingons*: Tell us again why you never conquered them?? *Vulcans*: Because they tend to do things we never believed possible. For example, every probe we've sent out have either returned with information or been destroyed in asteroid collisions. Humans sent out two of their probes and they returned not only sentient, but violently so. Two...out of perhaps two dozen. The odds are, another will return to Earth and they'll have to deal with it. *Klingon Captain Klaa remembering he destroyed an Earth Pioneer Probe* "*laughs nervously*
Did you forget the shield, fence, thing Q made appear in Encounter at Farpoint? He made it appear and go faster than the Enterprise. Who knows how far that could scale.
@@Thurgosh_OG Was that the one where it is explained that the probe was originally designed to move in, scan, then leave undetected? I remember a story where the havoc it caused was a result of the Borg attempting to interface with its computer.
Iffy. A world is not a "structure". Earth for example is not a "megastructure" Plus the continuum is an extradimensional SPACE which is not the same thing as a PHYSICAL OBJECT.
How about a video on "10 promotion scenes in Star Trek" The rules: - A character has to be promoted to a higher rank by another character. - No off-screen promotions - It doesn't actually need to be a starfleet officer.
@mcsquared5047, as much as I didn't care for Wesley Crusher, the scene after he is made a full Ensign & he walks onto the bridge in uniform is one of my fav ST moments. And Gates McFadden really looked like a proud Mom in that scene. It was well done.
I found the diameter of the DMA absolutly ridiculus. 5 Lightyears? That would consume our Solarsystem and the next system Alpha Centauri at once. That is completly bonkers.
@@chacaf22 Not even close. Voyager had also some veeeery stupid dimensions. In one episode a Malon Waste Freighter was about to explode and it was said, that the waste would poison a radius of some lightyears within days. HOW? Is the waste travelling faster than light?
@@TaiBlaine well yeah sometimes incoherent things are said to generate tension & drama since TOS And people still argues about that because Jim Kirk said so... In S1
@@trekkieraccoon3343 No. Sagitarrius A*. The Supermassive Black Hole that is the core of the Milky Way Galaxy is estimated to have a diameter of 32.2 million miles, which is roughly a third of the distance from Earth to the Sun.
The Dyson sphere is a bit more extreme than most of the other entries on this list, it's outer layers were made of neutronium, that is the ultimate in structural/armor materials that I aware of in the trek verses. Also the probe interior was largely solid, it was essentially a crystalline tech base according to a novel I vaguely remember.
Yes and dyson never make puplic of a dyson ring. That make other out of its dyson sphere. the biggest change is that a dyson sphere doesnt rotate and the ringworld rotate for Gravitation
What? What you wrote is very hard to read. I think you’re saying that a Dyson sphere wouldn’t rotate. Why in the universe not? Rotating a Dyson sphere would be an easy way to get gravity, with the top Gs at the equatorial ring and reducing as you reach the poles. Additionally, this could be used to gain structural support by directing stress forces in a specific way rather than just anywhere. Puplic?
@@CaritasGothKaraoke IF it rotated, the atmosphere would collect around the equator, with the polar areas being uninhabitable. Which is why Larry Niven designed the Ringworld to spin to provide gravity. There is also the problem of the inside being in constant daylight, which would make the surface too hot to live on quite quickly. The Ringworld solved that problems by place a system of "Shadow Squares", enormous solar panels strung together closer to the star, to give the surface of the Ring a day/night cycle and to also provide power.
I would disagree with #1 as calling a pocket universe a "superstructure" fails to imply exactly how big a space within a space that loads content as needed truly is and that said location has measurable boundaries other than whatever Q decides those boundaries might be.
The Fesarius was a lot bigger than what Spock calculated, look at the scale from the pics when it first encountered the Enterprise. It was the size of a moon
Yeah, and another one they left out was the "planet" that the Squire of Gothos drove around that star system like a Tesla on warp drive, playing chicken with the Enterprise. It wasn't clear if the Squire had created it or just put the honeypot trap habitable area onto an existing planet to attract the Enterprise crew.
I've always wondered about the society that spent the time and resources to build a Dyson's Sphere, then had to peace out because the star they picked was unstable.
If they had the technology to build a Dyson Sphere, they should have had the means to stabilize the star. Star lifting is the most likely method to acquire enough matter to build a Dyson and it also extends the life of the star by removing elements heavier than hydrogen that the star can't use for normal fusion.
@@FlintIronstag23 > If they had the technology to build a Dyson Sphere, they should have had the means to stabilize the star. Nonsense. The technology required to build a Dyson sphere is *_nowhere close_* to that required to "stabilize the star"
@@AlainDessureault This was a Dyson Shell that was portrayed in TNG. It is VASTLY more difficult to construct and stabilize than a traditional Dyson Sphere or Swarm which is what Freeman Dyson actually envisioned. Dyson said, "A solid shell or ring surrounding a star is mechanically impossible. The form of 'biosphere' which I envisaged consists of a loose collection or swarm of objects traveling on independent orbits around the star". So, if a civilization can create an "impossible" Dyson Shell they should also the technology to perform stellar husbandry and star lifting to stabilize the star it was constructed around.
@@FlintIronstag23 > A solid shell or ring surrounding a star is mechanically impossible. Actually, _it is_ possible _but not_ such that it can provide useful gravity by rotating > if a civilization can create an "impossible" Dyson Shell An "impossible" one is one that rotates fast enough to provide useful gravity. That's impossible and moot. > they should also the technology to perform stellar husbandry and star lifting to stabilize the star it was constructed around. If a civilization can create an "impossible" Dyson Shell, it possesses _magic_ and can do _anything_ including "stabilize the star" but _also_ to _not need to do either in the first place_
Holy Q!!! My only correction its about Vexilon Yes, if the Star inside Vexilon it's around the same size and mass as our sun, the ring have to had a size as Earth orbit But if we're talking about an smaller Star (much more common star type in our own galaxy) You could achieve "naturally" Earth like conditions with a much more smaller and compact ring, mercury orbit size or even less because the Star energy output will be orders of magnitude smaller than our own Sun
Oh even as a kid in the 80s watching Voyage Home, I always assumed that the Whale probe was a habitat filled with water and teaming with alien cetaceans
This may not be 100% cannon anymore, But Star Trek Online explored this and, in the game, they've had this, and several other dyson spheres built by the iconians.
A similar show called The Orville had a space ship close in size to New York City and it was a generation ship with inhabitants not even knowing they were on a ship.
Considering that 82 Astronomical Units* in diameter is 0.001 of a light year across, I'm not too sure why they reduced the V'ger probe cloud down to 2 AU, that's about 3.2 minutes at TNG-scale Warp 5, and then the discovery writers barfing out something being 5 light years across which (to them) seemed fine, I dunno, with edits, re-writes, retcons, etc. to pre-2009 trek, things just get so messed up... :\ (*average distance from the Earth to the Sun)
It was done in the Director's cut around 2000, I guess they felt they overdid it. I consider 82 AUs to be the true diameter, it inspire the appropriate terror. Also the cloud could easily be variable and it dissipated before it entered the Sol System anyway. Probably the only Director's Cut decision I disagree with.
I picture Q creating a giant mega structure 100 miles long and 78 miles wide in the likeness of Ky'occ & Buals and putting it on a collision course for Uranus.
So I never look up anything star trek on RU-vid and I always have ear worms that I cannot get fixed for the life of me and this morning I had the new star trek them song in my head and now I have this video...
two items that better be on this list are the Dyson sphere and the Voth city ship, oh and that weird thing from twisted that warped the ships internal structure and then exchange a bunch of information and left
The Whale Probe was never seen again and took centuries to arrive. I suspect an extragalactic civilization built it. If they're cetations like the whales, a ship the size of Enterprise-D would be rather cramped for crew of more than fifty. Especially for a journey lasting at least a century.
If we're including non-mechanical creations. Might I submit the Bajoran Wormhole. Its artifical and (if we do consider length for a moment) spsns two quadrants in length.
@@MaiAolei The criteria de-emphasized length, it's more accurate to say they were looking at volume over length (otherwise as pointed out, a whole lot of space elevators.) The mouth of the wormhole was still fair significant and thus gave a fair volume. I'd include it due to it's uniqueness; it's not just another space station or vassal (even unusually large ones.)
The way the Bajoran Wormhole was protrayed is inaccurate. It's not a tunnel through space, it's spacetime being pushed together at two points. It *should* have been more akin to going through a door than a tunnel when ships travelled through it, but considering it is artificial, perhaps physics was skewed (or they shouldn't shove all the Prophets into a Galactic doorframe). I still headcanon that the reason the Prophets are in the Wormhole is because they pissed off the Q at some point and were shoved in there.
Seeing it's actually a very short shortcut between the two points in the galaxy it connects, it might not be as big as you think it is. Still definitely worth mentioning for this list.
If we’re going with a whole pocket universe thing then the Megan’s from ‘The Magiks of Megas-Tu” essentially did the same thing as the Q continuum 14 years before Encounter at Farpoint.
--Borg Transwarp Hubs: Each BTW Hub was at least several hundred Kilometers wide, harnessing Stars and Nebulae for power to the intricately vast Transwarp Network...Six facilities connected to the entire Milky Way and possibly beyond...It raises the raises the question: Is the Transwarp Network related to, part of, or descendant technology from Vadhuaar Underspace?? --Borg Unimatrix One: This megastructure is likely the remnants of the original Organic Races (Species 001 & up) which had inhabited the Planetary System Unimatrix One resides in...The structure seems to include various captured Starships, Technology and races from Borg Assimilation runs, in addition to the Diamonds, Spheres, Cubes and lesser craft of Borg conveyances...This hodgepodge is well over several thousand years old and Kilometers wide
in the Boloverse series cybernetic humans were turning the entire galaxy into a bolo structure, they would laugh at any of the star trek large structures.
Sounds to me like the Unity Device has them all beat. 314 million km diameter, and with extensive internal structures, unlike a Dyson sphere which is mostly hollow.
How do you know a Q "pocket Universe" isn't just like a holodeck equivalent? There's no way to determine whether they're the size of a city, a whole planet, or the size of an entire galaxy. Considering the people brought into them never really explore the region, assuming the Q make a whole "Universe" in size is a completely baseless assumption.
Ive always wondered about the inconsistencies in the borg general strategy. The general idea is essentially grabbing resources, both in the form of sentients, (and their tech) but also raw materials. Before the introduction of the queen, they were a linear bulldozer. Assimilating anyone they came across. That was what made them scary. They were like army ants rolling anything in their way, and converting any beings to aid the cause. Then comes the queen, and completely blows that out of the water by having an avatar that can be tricked, manipulated, killed, etc completely in contradiction to their previous system. In their original version, they should have literally been taking over everything bit by bit by just moving the front forward, and replenishing their numbers from the new worlds. Raids, feints, diversions should have been utterly irrelevant. The concept of a queen completely pooched that.
what about the nekrit expanse created by the sphere builders ? Although it's not purely a megastructure but the spheres network in itself seems pretty big to me.
In Picard Q created an entire alternate timeline just to mess with Picard So technically he created a whole, artificial universe the size of the whole, regular universe Hard to be "Everything that exists or ever will exist all at once with room left to stretch your legs" for size of creation
Only thing that can build a starship would be a preprogrammed robots with the necessary tools and raw materials. Build bubble layers and meteor materials as its surface for the ship, no?
One thing i never understood about star trek is that it has this geopolitical (actualy galactopolitical) scenario between comparable civilizations (type 1.something in the kardashev scale), but it's canon that there are many type 2+ civilizatios that rarely interact but could easily overpowee the usual federatio, klingon etc. Why none of these higher civilizations decides to intervene and rule the galaxy?
Because TOS is going to be the main one? It makes sense that it's in "our" universe. Any deviation from it must therefore be an alternate one. You have to start somewhere 🤷🏻♀️
Size of Enterprise-J is most ridiculous thing that Starfleet ever did. It makes no sense to create starship so large, that it is entire city and send it to explore galaxy if Glaxy Class project of sending entire families onboard exploratory vessel was deemed failed and later scaled down to ships like Enterprise-G.
Not to mention that it looks absolutely ridiculous. It’s not even starship, especially with the ridiculously thin and skinny nacelles, pylons, and even body. My brother made fun the D by saying it looks like a pizza delivery person, made fun of Voyager by saying it’s a spoon, but he’ll really have a field day with Ent J undoubtedly. Also, do they really need go bigger with each starships?
@@whitewolf3051 Well in fact surface of connetion between nacelles and pylon is the same as in Constitution Class. Drexler designed it that because he wanted to go beyond "ape brain" in the way he forgot that in 29th century technology is far less advanced. So Enterpise -J would fit in 32nd from Discovery.
@@whitewolf3051 Drexler's idea in addition to trying to go further ahead in time and therefore do, the future of the future, he also designed the Universe class to be an extragalactic exploration vessel that would be an independent starship community that would be gone on generation ship time scales. The Galaxy class is designed to come home, the Universe is designed to *be* home. It has universities on it. Going to your duty shift is a commute.
It's not anywhere near that big, you can see the detail of the building in the cities built on the rings. That's like looking at Chicago and New York from space and being able to see the buildings and the windows. And that's half the distance you're proposing. Even as large as the Konnie is, you wouldn't be able to see it next to a 1500 mile wide structure. Sean Hargreaves who designed it said, _"each of the arms of Yorktown was intended to be 17½ miles long."_ Meaning at most she's about 35 miles in diameter. Which means you could park Yorktown between Washington DC and Baltimore with only a mile to spare on each side.
@@DocWolph I gotcha. It definitely gives that's no moon vibes. Even those planetoids are 30 times wider. And Yorktown is only half the size of the first Death Star. The mind boggles at those scales when dealing with a single object. I bet seeing the Dyson Sphere in real life would be mind breaking if you contemplated it.
Hey Sean. So I got booted off Twitter for saying a common Klingon phrase, one I've said a thousand times before, in English. I explained it to them and they weren't hearing it. So y'all be careful on there. See you here now I guess???
so gabriel bell arrives today in san francisco, sanctuary district A. and that's the day the original gabriel bell dies, but the replacement will live until september 3rd. your opinion on that? ;-)
Dysons spears are theorhetically possible if each new section had a replicator. It would grow exponentially. Only flaw is being able to convert energy into matter. But sience is actually working on this.
Nope! "Dysons spears" … are _NOT_ … "theorhetically possible". If non-rotating, there'd be no gravitation. If rotating, the poles would collapse towards the star and the equator would fly apart
@@AlainDessureault gravity variance limitations are overcome by Dyson rings. However there's an assumption here that if we can convert energy to matter that graviton/higgs boson affects can also be altered. We are talking about gravitational lenses. Basically type 2 civilization stuff.
@@donh8833 > there's an assumption here that if we can convert energy to matter We already can > that graviton/higgs boson affects can also be altered. Nonsense. No link whatsoever between the two, and the physics we already know does not provide for altering "graviton/higgs boson affects". Only _magic_ can do that
Q's pocket universe's would not NEED to be particularly large. The only events to EVER happen inside of these universes were, effectively, 'plays.' Why would they not be effectively 'sets' for those 'plays?' The stars and planets seen above would most likely be a "sky box." The mountains in the distance may seem very lifelike but... they don't need to really BE mountains. The characters in the 'play' will never travel that far and if somehow they DO... then the mountains, or a portion of them, can come into existence. A pocket UNIVERSE has laws of nature different from the full real universe. They are dictated by the pocket universe's creator and thus, said P.U. does NOT need to have an area, or volume, so large as the "r4eal" one. A volume that would be largely ignored by it's creator for it's entire existence since the pocket universe would only exist for the time during which the play takes place. I bring this up because there IS, in existence, a megastructure in the Trek universe that are much larger than the ones mentioned. I seak, of course, of the "barrier" surrounding the Milky Way galaxy. A structure that, as mentioned, contains a volume a wee bit larger than The Milky Way galaxy. In the series we are given the impr4ession that this must be some sort of natural phenomenon. I'm sure that it is mentioned somewhere in the "expanded literature" but I have only read a very small portion of that so... I have to go by what's in the various series and movies. That said, a force field surrounding a galaxy being a natural phenomenon? B.S. A force field that zaps the latent powers of psychics up to Goku level? Uh huh. Sure. THAT occurs naturally. And the Earth is flat as a pancake. Who built it? I sincerely doubt it was the Q. It does nt seem like their sort of thing. BUT it does have an obvious PURPOSE as an artificial structure. Seems something happen4ed to the scout ship the Andromedans sent. What could it have been? I POSTULATE that the field exists specifically to protect the galaxy from exactly that, external invaders. The barrier would have been built by a race that, like humans, have some members with latent esper level powers that were basically never naturally active. (The Slavers? The Progenitor Race? Dunno) The field has a psychic charge that awakens these powers long enough for the telepath, now a godlike being, to let whatever vessels are needed along with said esper through the barrier. The unfortunate members of the enterprise did not know WHY they were given these abilities. Nor did they know how TEMPORARY they were. Or they would have4 acted differently. Another theory. BUT. A field of that size an consistency would NOT be a naturally occurring thing. And thus, it would be the largest artificial structure I am aware of in STAR TREK. Q's pocket universes may have been big. But, as I said, I doubt they were that big. Even IF they COULD have been.
