10 MORE Changes That Star Trek Hoped You Wouldn't Notice 

I like the explanation where the temporal cold war has done so much havoc with the timeline that what we're seeing as inconsistencies are actually changes in the timeline from the conflict.

Inconsistency in STAR TREK?! Outrageous!!! I'll be taking this up with James R. Kirk PERSONALLY!

Whenever I notice inconsistencies in Stark Trek, I get insanely angry and then I realize what an awful nerd I am

The Temporal Wars is a great answer to inconsistencies.

At a Convention shortly after the release of Star Trek 6, we were told that the pink blood was to avoid an R rating. Also, the Red blood from the Klingon assassin was meant as a give away that he wasn't Klingon. That part was never revealed in the Theatrical release.

I just think they're all from the times Q snapped his fingers... He puts things back at 99.997% of the original & thinks 'Meh, good enough.'

About the moon. Vulcan has a Sister Planet T'kuht. It was first mentioned in a fanzine, later in the novel 'The Vulcan Academy Murders'. It is an interesting little novel with a lot about Vucan's history.

McCoy wasn't an enlisted man; he was a commissioned officer with the rank of lieutenant commander!

They also address the Eugenics Wars and WW3 in Strange New Worlds when the Tal Shiar Temporal Agent explains they arrived to influence the events that were supposed to happen in the 1990s, but no matter what she did it still occurred...just later and later in time "as if the Universe Corrects itself." To me, this means that the Travelers and their Watchers are constantly working to correct and manage temporal events to keep the "Prime Universe" as on track as possible...but that doesn't mean that some temporal adjustments don't happen. My only problem with this is that it assumes that BOTH Quantum multiversal time and linear time exist. Because even slight changes to the Prime Timeline automatically create alternative timelines (see JJ Trek) going back and "correcting things" really just drops YOU into a timeline more along the lines you recognize (see DS9 Trials and Trible-ations). But really even the uncorrected timeline still exists. YOU are all that you moved by making a change "back" to how things were, and just by being there things are quite how things were (see DS9 Past Tense)...unless there's a bootstrap paradox exclusive to that timeline within the multiversal timeline. And, of course, all of this is shaken up and put in a blender by pretty much the entire premise of Star Trek: Enterprise (or better named Time Trek: Enterprise) and the referenced outcomes of that war and things like JJ Verse and the Mirror Verse mentioned in Star Trek Discovery Season 3 by Dr. Kovich in 3190.

i like the hand-wavy explanation they gave in SNW for the various changes in regards to the Eugenics Wars and WW3 etc. Which was basically that "it was such an important era in Federation/Starfleet history, that so many of Starfleet/the Federation's enemies have gone back to try to stop Starfleet's beginning only to be countered/fixed by other time travelers, that it has resulted in the timeline of the events being nudged further down the timeline. lol

9:58 If memory serves, a Technical Manual described the holodeck on Enterprise-D as using forcefields to make , in essence an omnidirectional 'treadmill' under the feet of the guests, so that no matter where they went, they stayed near the center of the room, with the surroundings moving to simulate travel (well, center-ish, it would allow groups to separate, and then isolate each one in a personal 'sub-holodeck' to simulate them being farther apart.

Captain Braxton: I blame Janeway for altering Fixed Points in time. Drove me to change my identity, move to 21st century Boston, then solve crimes with Rizzoli and Aisles.

Snw explained kahn really well. With the diverging timeline reset when the romulan agent said they had to wait 30? more years.

6: In regards to Discovery using Force Fields in the Shuttle Bays, I'd posit that being an experimental ship, complete with it's untested Spore Drive, it was fitted with other experimental tech like shuttle bay force fields.

My personal head canon is that Vulcan is a double planetary system where Vulcan’s barycenter lies outside the other planetary body. That’s exactly how Pluto and Charon orbit each other. Therefore Spock is being pedantic in his statement to Uhura which is so very very Vulcan

McCoy was definitely not 'enlisted personnel'; he held a Starfleet commissioned rank of Lieutenant Commander in the OS, and Commander in the movies, and Admiral by the time of TNG. O'Brien is an example of an enlisted crewman because he held the billet/rank of Chief Petty Officer.

The Khan stuff completely omits the stuff from ST SNW. They explained the temporal anomalies with the augments and the changes to the timeline

A little insight into the TAS Vulcan moon issue. We have an illustration the Vulcan landscape and a 'Vulcan flyer' (basically a land speeder before land speeders existed) with a note from Dorothy Fontana that says "No Moon" on it. What we have surmised with the input of Bob Kline lead artist, is that none of the drawings Indicate day or night so the drawing actually showed the *sun*. Then after it was drawn as a moon It was stuck into the night sky as well. So, it would appear the intention was not to have a moon, but miscommunication through different departments put it into Vulcan's sky anyway! They were working at a breakneck speed, so there was no time to go back and change it.

the important question is where did cockrane get the antimatter für the warpdrive in the first place when it was difficult to gather enough titanium for the cockpit?

I love when Elie reads a list, her accent makes me happy and I think from here on out she needs to be the voice for the computer

Part of the fun of Trek is coming up with rationalizations for these little inconsistencies. For me, anyway

I always thought that UESPA was a strictly Earth authority and that, at some point in TOS, the Enterprise was transferred to Federation auspices, in much the same manner that a United States military unit might be placed under United Nations authority.

Strange new worlds came up with partial explanation for change on Khan. La’an Nooniam Sing travelled back in time with Kirk , and they encountered an assassin that stated the Time wars had shifted reality to point of Khans birth being bumped by 30 years, and how it frustrated her having extra wait time.

To be fair the No moon just Planetoids thing is pretty on-brand for Vulcans

I have a simple explanation for the apparent moons in the Vulcan sky. Vulcan has no moon, Vulcan IS a moon.

Inconsistency in Discovery? Can`t be! We all know how much the show respects the canon.

Considering Neutronium is an actual theoretical material (solid neutrons, to be exact, no elemental matter present), it wins for "toughest", "hardest", "Densest", and "Why hasn't this collapsed into a Black Hole".

12:19 that’s no moon that a space station😊

McCoy was Lt. Commander in ST:TOS making him and officer.

0:00 Intro 0:48 10: Starfleet Was the UESPA 2:19 9: The Hardest Substance Known to Man 3:03 8: The Bounty's Changing Bridge 3:52 7: The Tribble Origin Story 4:53 6: Shuttlebay Force Fields 5:46 5: Zefram Cochrane's Age 7:55 4: The Colour of Klingon Blood 8:47 3: Kirk Had a Holodeck 10:00 2: The Eugenics Wars and World War III 11:53 1: 'Vulcan Has No Moon' 12:42 Outro

As for Vulcan... Maybe Obi-Wan is right. "That is not a moon." XD

Another reason for the whole "Vulcan has no moon" is because Vulcan itself IS a moon orbiting another larger planet. Some Beta lore has it that Vulcan orbits a larger super-earth named T'Kut (Charis), and that Vulcan was one of 2 planets orbiting T'Kut.

The (2nd) Bounty Bridge took its cues from the Klingon bridge in TMP, really. (Which is probably my favorite bridge design ever for any starfleet ship. It’s even got an upper level, though you can just barely see it)

I seem to remember that Tom Hanks was the original choice for ZC, who was 40 when First Contact came out.

One inconsistency that has always bothered me was that the first portrayal of the Vorta on DS9 showed they could emit some kind of energy burst from their upper chest. Yes, that particular Vorta ended up being revealed as a false victim meant to fool the DS9 crew, but that doesn't explain away the "chest-burst weapon." Also, with regard to the comment about Zefram Cochran, NO, we most certainly do NOT "still adore James Cromwell's portrayal of the character." Cromwell, as capable of an actor in other roles as he may be (have been) is the most cringe-worthy portrayal of a character in all of Star Trek. I still shudder at the memory of his Zefram Cochran. A huge disservice to the character as originally shown on TOS, both in appearance as well as mannerisms.

One of the funniest exchanges in early STAR TREK: "Vulcan HAS no Moon. " I"m NOT SURPRISED, Mr. Spock!" She was FLIRTING with him. And he just said that to brush her off. I find it insanely ironic that, one of Nichelle Nichol's VERY BEST scenes in all 3 seasons of the show, because NBC ran the episodes out of sequence, appeared in the VERY FIRST episode that was broadcast. It was downhill all the way after that. (And in the 70s, I can attest, that scene was CUT in syndication.)

“Enlisted personnel like McCoy”? McCoy was a Lt. Commander.

The pink blood of Klingons is not inexplicable. There was so much of it in Undiscovered Country back when it was colored red, that the picture would have needed to be rated R.

Great episode, Ellie! As a Trek fan since the beginning I love the canon discussions but with the caveat that if you take them too seriously you’ll drive yourself nuts. I like how you showed that scene from “Where No Man Has Gone Before”, aka the second pilot, where you see James _R_Kirk on the tombstone. 😂 The contradictions have been there since Day One.

The Dimond can easily be explained as bashir playing the characters in the holodeck story.

I actually really like the explanation for the dodgy dates of khan that was put forward in SNW series 2 tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. That agents from various races had tried to change earths history many times, but each time, all they were able to do is push back the inevitable, hence Khan being a child in 2022 from that episode. he should have been about 40 by that point. Its like a mix of Terminiator's judgement day delays and the idea that there are fixed points in time that can never be fully removed, from Doctor Who and such.

The Vulcan moon thing could just be Spok pulling Uhura's leg.

Appropriate that a moon would feature at #1 on this day in particular (I am typing this on the 8th of April, 2024, the day of the big eclipse that I am missing due to clouds and storms locally).

As a long term trekkie I try not to think of how Discovery breaks literally everything. I just try not to think of Discovery at all.

If the story itself is good, it can pull you in to the point where you don't really care about the inconsistencies. On the other hand, it wouldn't really hurt Trek writers to go back and look over what has come before, to at least keep some things consistent.

I was just thinking we have not had an Ellie video in a while and then we are given a nice gift of an Ellie video.

Note: Though modern Trek has borrowed a few things from it, Roddenberry was very clear that The Animated Series is not considered canon, despite the involvement of so many from TOS. Any of the events that occur in it or things that exist in it don't really apply to the rest of Trek. The Holodeck idea was something that was conceived for TOS, but they didn't have the ability to be able to show it on-screen. This was eventually recycled for TNG, but not before floating the concept on TAS.

2:20 - The best and most elegant explanation of the change of UESPA to UFP is that UESPA is a remnant legacy organization from the period before the Federation and after Earth started folding its various National Space Agencies into one service. UESPA would have operated as an interim service until the United Federation’s Star Fleet was formed. While UESPA does not formally exist in the 23rd Century as a controlling entity over Starfleet, it may retain some kind of authority to any ships ASSIGNED to the “Earth Fleet”. Similar organizations would likely still exist for each founding member planets of the Federation until around the time of TMP when Starfleet adopts the “Delta” insignia over the “Starburst” previously seen on high ranking officers and the alternate ship/ fleet insignias seen on other Commanders/ Crewman seen in the time of TOS. It’s also likely that by the time of TMP, all the legacy organizations have been retired/ dissolved. Of course Brannon Braga effs this all up with the setup of ENT because he doesn’t know Trek or care. That’s where he carelessly and thoughtlessly jams Earth Starfleet into continuity. At least the people on the art and production team knew about it. But Braga is the guy that couldn’t remember what a tricorder was in an interview about a year after he left ENT. He should have been able to recite it in his sleep after working on Trek for 15 years. Braga is also the reason we got Klingon “Warbirds” in Broken Bow and JJ Trek pulled this forward into ST09 and their insipid Kobayashi Maru sequence.

I've ignored so many inconsistencies, that I now ignore random changes they introduce as well. For example, Vulcan will always be Vulcan.....despite whatever the disco producers want to call it these days.

@ ~ 11:00 Spock mistaken - NO!

The holodeck being a finite space thing is pretty much a thing right now with VR, people standing in what to me looks like a repurposed satellite dish that's polished smooth and the person in it walks about in slippery socks while restrianed by a harness, so they feel like they're walking, the holodeck has a "treadmill" effect akin to this so that they can walk about a simulation without moving all that far and without hitting the walls, but how it all works, well, that's science fantasy... :P

The Holodeck was supposed to appear in the original series episode " Is There in Truth No Beauty?" Kirk was supposed to use it to distract Dr. Jones while Spock was attempting to mind meld with Kollos against her wishes.

I didn't know "liberty" & "ignore" were now synonyms for character assassination. 😡

Excellent video please post more of this type of videos

In TMP the Refit Enterprise with its linked shuttlebay & cargo hold; had the hangar doors open and crew without EV suits moving cargo.

I had a fan theory in which Zephrame Cochrane was a fan of Sam Fuller's Crimson Kimono. As his body aged and damaged in space, he asked the companion to make him look like the handsome actor from Crimson Kimono, but all records of James Shigeta got lost, so the Companion made him into Glenn Corbett.

5:43 Shuttle bay doors are easily explained. For ships that would not ever be too far from Federation space, they could afford to install new, experimental designs. For those ships that would go on five year missions and potentially be beyond the range of rescue, they needed to have time tested and proven design. Depressurization and repressurizing is far less inconvenient than the force field failing and not being able to access the shuttle bay.

I feel like for plot holes in Star Wars you can just explain most away with "because the Force", while for Star Trek plot holes you can just assume they were created by some Starfleet captain going back in time again and changing the present without any one else realizing it.

I decided that in canon every change was caused by Q having a laugh changing stuff and just not being too bothered about putting things back perfectly. Q would say "that's close enough" and leave it at that and hope Picard just doesn't notice.

Star Fleet is STILL the UESPA! "To go boldly where no man has gone before." That was the charter.. . In mind.

Voyager also (indirectly) mentioned the Eugenics Wars by having an episide aet in the 1990s in another time travel episode.

I kind of got the idea Cromwell's Cochrane looked as old as he did due to heavy drinking and goodness knows what else.

@12:42 - or (also. possibly cool), by the time of that Discovery episode, it had been a constructed object after studying that Dyson sphere from TNG; or there was a planetary object that was captured in the intervening centuries due or was just a really, really long-period object [Neptune / Uranus trading spots over the course of a few centuries], or Vulcan tractor beams got *WAY* better (they did seem pretty smug about that compared to the NX-01’s grappler)!

Interesting little tidbit about Vulcan having no moon. In the non-canon novel "Spock's World", a rather comprehensive history of Vulcan is laid out, from the planet and its people's ancient prehistory to the rise of Surak, the adoption of C'thia (the ruling ethic of logic), and so on. Now, Spock's mention of "Vulcan having no moon" is dealt with in the novel as him just being pedantic, because Vulcan and its smaller celestial body T'Khut are, technically speaking, a binary planet system. Vulcan and T'Khut orbit around one another rather than T'Khut (like Earth's moon) orbiting around Vulcan. As a result, whenever a Vulcan says "Vulcan has no moon", some joker will often respond with "You're damn right it doesn't, Vulcan has a nightmare!", given that newcomers to Vulcan are often horrified by this massive, blood-red bulk rising up over the horizon at night.

When talking about the eugenics war, you missed out the fact that the timeline had been delayed by interference by time travellers, as La’an met a young Khan in 2024 Toronto (“Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow“)

As for the shuttle bay and force fields, even though Discovery is set BEFORE Kirk’s adventures on the “original” Enterprise (“original,” as in, “no bloody ‘A’, ‘B’, ‘C’, ‘D’, or ‘E’), she was an older vessel before she became Kirk’s to command. In fact, Pike had already taken Enterprise on a five-year mission, as we find out in The Menagerie (TOS 1.11, 1.12) and the ship already had some miles on her before even then. Therefore, it is entirely possible that Enterprise is OLDER than Discovery, meaning Discovery having shuttle bay force fields while Enterprise does not is entirely plausible.

Uh, they pretty much explained that Khan and the Eugenics war was bumped forward in Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow in the 2nd Season of Strange New Worlds. It also leaves open future changes.

The cause of "Pink Blood" was the drinking of Romulan Ale. 🤣🙄

When it comes to continuity inconsistencies with Trek I always remind myself that time travel does in fact exist in this universe

The rec room Holodeck thing is pretty easy to hand wave. The Holodeck on the 1701 Enterprise what state of the art for the time. Just google how awed everyone was when going from PlayStation to PlayStation 2 E3 demo. Also in a funny aside, what if the rec rooms environments actually looks like cartoons. Like something out of Who Framed Rodger Rabbit? or Mary Poppins?

My thoughts on the later Holo Decks,are they are constantly updating as the crew walks through the,much like randomly generated levels in video games,but fully interactive.

I look fwd to reading "Legacy of . . ."

The top of Pike's transporter can be seen on Perry Mason's desk!

In regards to Cochrane and his age, one must discard entirely the whole First Contact movie as apocryphal. There are so many problems with the basic premise that the whole thing has to be Starfleet propoganda (and a holodeck adventure) in order to hide the real story, which is told in the book 'Federation.' That story clears up everything about Cochrane and the develpment of the warp drive. As for the Borg, their storyline is better handled in the 'Gods of Night' trilogy.

We did get a map of the Vulcan system in SNW S2 showing the twin planet.

Vulcan is a binary planet, tidally locked with it's partner. The partner is called the watcher and is non-habitable and has a moon that is called the eye of the watcher. It is mentioned in "Mind Meld." I know books are not canon but it explains things.

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#4 was obviously beyond the 60's film tech to accomplish in a realistic way.

When you wrote out that Star Fleet was the "UESPA", the "U" looked like a "V" to me. I was wondering how Star Fleet was somehow a Vespa...

The inconsistencies are just the temporal Cold War and the Q messing with the timeline lol

My explanation for any inconsistencies is that there’s an actual time war going on 😅 seriously, in canon there are opposing forces that are activly trying to change the timeline to suit their interests. Not to mention all the accidental time travels of our main characters. Anytime somethings different it's because someone screwed something up in the timeline between episodes 😂

UESPA was an exploration only agency and would charter ships from Starfleet to handle their own exploration projects.

Well the most simple answer to all inconsistent story elements in ST is every episodes story arc takes place in a parallel dimension

this was a fun one

As for the shuttle bay force field...Enterprise has to launch on Sunday & the shuttle bay force field generators weren't scheduled to arrive until TUESDAY😂

One can not use Animated Trek, which has been Declared by Gene as Non-Canon since the series aired. Yes- Tiberius, Rec Room, Robert April, Sehlats(actually seen), and a Cat race(often called Caitians) and other pieces have been used, while Life Support Belts are forgotten. Enough Canon sources have used ST: TAS material that Many declare it Canon(especially since Gene isn't around to Object). 30 Years after production, and 10 Years after Gene seem to change the attitudes, as more authors use the older ideas in the 2000s. Note: The Kzinti from ST:TAS and Star Fleet Battles game are a Licenced property of Larry Niven, and also should be Excused from discussion. With more Shows/Movies/Comics/Novels/Animateds I would Predict MANY Canon challenges, which can only Increase with time! I would Suggest that issues be looked at like Zephram Cochran(TOS/First Contact), basic Retcon. Use at Own Risk. Hugs!

The hardest substance known to man is a Volvo 760

I genuinely like DSC. Tilly, and her mirror counterpart Captain Killy (and her actress) are an absolute treasure. But the DSC entry on forcefields is one of the things that annoys the absolute crap out of me about Season 1. It feels like the entire series, not just later seasons, should have been set after the 25th century, not before TOS, just based on how they have better tech than the Enterprise. I get that OUR modern tech is going to bleed into the show, but even modern takes on the Aliens franchise respect their retrotech origins

To the first one, wouldn’t it make much more sense that the UESPA still exists in the current time and it is to Earth what the Vulcan navy is to them. Members of the Federation often have ships that are not under Starfleet command. As to why we never see the Earth fleet, they get everyone to join Starfleet so that all of Starfleet is the Earth defense force, tricky Earthlings.

It was "Vulcan has 'Know-Mun' " - he was giving the strange name for it that was all :P

Just bought all 3 seasons of TOS, no digital upgrades, purely original. Sad Trek died, but I l'll always have the good stuff.

The original Enterprise has a Holodeck, in the Star Trek Continues episode Pilgrim of Eternity.

Klingon Blood changes color based on their diet. The more raw food from Kronos they eat (Targs and those gross worm things) the more pinkish it becomes. Since Worf was raised by humans his blood is red.

Klingon blood was made pink to keep the MPAA rating below R.

Ellie! You are a popular narrator. 13K views in just a few hours! Thanks for your skill. I do enjoy listening to your videos.

Regard Eugenic War. This was confirmed as alternative timeline in SNW and before someone say anything. That was already a circulating theory and something what solve problem created by Voyager. Basically in current canon Romulan temporal officers intervened in attempt to prevent anomalny created by Quark. And as such Khan didn't born before 90's, but was active during WW3. What to be honest most people already think was the case (Enterprise confirm that was part of it). The obsession over antic pop-culture is most likely result of humanity loosing its culture during the war and that is all what Vulcans recorded, when they still were there. As such any knowledge of such far past could come only from Temporal Police archives, what may be anachronistic.

@0:41 the grave stone reads James R Kirk , "R" is not the first letter in Tiberius

When you look at pictures of celebrities from up to, say, the 1960's, people who were apparently only in their early twenties looked like they were pushing fifty.

"Remember: every time you see something like that, a wizard did it."

The hardest substance in the universe is Captain Kirk. That dude was a galactic playa!