I always looked at the Mysterious Stranger as a main protagonist in their own story and they happen to cross paths with you on yours and their adventures. Think about how many times you are just wandering the wastes at a high level and see a civilian being attacked by raiders or whatever. You vats them from a distance or walk up quickly dispatch of them easily and move on about your day without a word? The mysterious stranger is just a really high level protagonist in another story that wanders through the area lends a hand and gets a bit of xp and moves on.
I always take Nick for most of far harbor because his special story line and interaction with many of the characters there make and already wonderful dlc even more fun, deep and fascinating.
i like the idea that the Mysterious Stranger is the Vault Dweller (F1) from the future. the Stranger/Dweller has the ability to travel back through time but only does so to save your player character from combat that would have killed you otherwise. this is why he’s a man because the canon Vault Dweller is a man. it’s also why the Stranger appears as a man or woman depending on what gender you pick in the first Fallout. the Stranger is you.
There's even an event on fallout 1 that sends the dweller back in time and end up breaking the water chip... And if my memory is correct, you must pick up a rock that is part of a statue for that to happen, sooo the dweller might learn how to properly use it after the ending.
The exact moment of the divergence in fallout is actually during the creation of the transistor. This has always been so and it's known as a point in history that if you could go back in time would have devastating effects on the timeline. This is actually one of 3 technologies that if removed/changed would set humans back immeasurably
I Believe that The Dunwich/Blackhalls are directly connected to the interloper story. Maybe the Interloper is a manifestation or conduit of Ug-Qualtoth? I also think the head busts are connected, too. They're all around the interloper, and also at the bottom of the Dunwich hole, near the sunken alter.
i think stuff like sunset sarsaparilla being founded in 1918 is minor enough it shouldn't be really included in the timeline divergence debate, cause if you are willing to accept that then i feel like it's not a stretch to say the timeline actually split millions of years before the games because ultracite ore is only in fallout and being a rock, probably formed millions of years ago
I think the Mysterious stranger and the unknown around him is cool. but I feel that once the games tell us everything about him, he won't be as mysterious anymore thus losing all the interest around him
I think it would be cool if there was like a dlc for a fallout game where you become a mysterious stranger and protect people in danger like the silver shroud questline
I imagine that there are some entities who are beyond the understanding of mere humans. These include the occult Cthulu monsters worshipped, but also Dogmeat and the Mysterious Stranger. They are spirits of the Wasteland!
The Divergence being after World War 2 is completely FALSE because in Fallout 3 DLC Mothership Zeta, there is a Samurai named Toshiro Kago from around A.D. 1568-1603 in Feudal Japan, who was abducted by the Aliens. And since Bethesda confirmed that Mothership Zeta is canon, that means the Timeline Divergence can be as early as Feudal Japan Era.
@@foofoo3344 But on the other hand, it's not that much of a deal when a random Samurai gets kidnapped, like almost no consequences to the future. Technically it's a divergence yes, but I think the biggest point is that transistors were never invented and maybe alien technology speeding up research for laser and plasma weaponry, along with energy production.
Okay so, the thing is, you can have fictional events before your divergence. The divergence is just really when things take a radical turn. Otherwise the divergence would be in the feudal era of japan, with a samurai getting abducted by aliens, if not even earlier.
id say that sunset sasparilla was probably supposed to be an irl brand, eg rockstar energy (cause they in vegas) but cause licensing they changed it, therefore its just different id say that chernobyl never happened, and we didnt fear nuclear weapons, we embraced them
The hexcrete pillars seem like a reference to the 50s sci first classic "the Monolith Monsters". The movie centers around an alien element falling to earth, that rapidly forms immense ultra hard crystals when exposed to oxygen. The crystals become so big they topple over in a tidal wave of gigantic stones. Their encroachment threatens a small NM community and a scientisthas to stop it.
The fact that the hexagonic pillars from old world blues can grow out of the ground really does mess with me seeing how put them in anyone else's hands and you have a weapon and everyone will be basically screwed
Raggedy: That’s exactly what they were meant to be in my opinion, since this entire DLC was basically an homage to 50s sci-fi it stands to reason that they would use that plot point from a cult 50s sci-fi film. Half the reason this is my favorite DLC from New Vegas is the countless references to some of my favorite 50s sci-fi films including Forbidden Planet, The day the earth stood still, War of the worlds, Black scorpion etc. etc. etc.
@@KevinR1138 Makes me think of that one story where water from outer space is first thought of as the solution to all the problems, but then turns out to be infectious and deadly.
My head canon is that The Brotherhood gave the order to kill Sarah. They saw Sarah as "soft" like her father. Arthur Maxson was young and could be easly manupulated into deciding anything they wanted. I also think The Brotherhood blamed The Lone Wanderer for her death. The Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 4 doesnt say anything about him/her even though his/her actions have huge ramifications for The Brotherhood of Steel. After the Lone Wanderer got blame for Sarah's death, he/she disappeared from The Capital Wasteland.
Nah. The Lone Wanderer doesn't get mentioned because Bethesda has a policy against trying to set down definite details about what the players did in the previous game, in an effort to not step on our toes and invalidate our playthroughs.
It's actually really funny to me that the mysterious stranger was never written off as just a part of the game, instead Bethesda canonized him and had Nick Valentine look into the mystery
He was canonised first in New Vegas, you meet the Mysterious Stranger's son. Obsidian were even going to have him kill you if you targeted his son in VATS at one point.
I think Sunset Sarsaparilla is part of our timeline. Lots of companies claim an early founding date, but when you investigate, that early date was prior to being bought out by another company. Who's to say the SS company wasn't something else prior to WW2 - a company that went out of business or was never bought by SS.
To me, the most mysterious thing about fallout was in far harbor, having visions of (and following) the 'mother' spirit during the children of the atom quest.
There's actually a cabin you can find with notes and stealth boys. It's theorized this is the person you saw as "The Mother" after getting messed up by the Springs.
@@MillieBlackRose Yes I remember vaguely; it was a woman the children of the atom want you to seek out and assassin, (or another woman thats tied to that woman?)
@@MillieBlackRose Nevermind im thinking of a reference to The Mother in the pump control room, there's a 2nd Icon of her in there as well as the one you get initially.
Given the fallout bible isn't canon I personally don't belive that there is a divergance, its just an alternate/parralell timeline that has some common events that cross over with ours.
The Fallout Bible may not be canon any more but look at what Bethesda has done to the lore. I'd rather follow the defunct bible that whatever swill Bethesda is trying to push off as lore.
I take any canon/almost-canon explanation of a divergence to be just shorthand explanation for history is not SIGNIFICANTLY different before WW2. I don't see reason to see it as part of a divergence in the time travel or multiverse or alternative reality sense. The differences are just for world building and it's a similar, parallel world.
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This was a common knowledge when I was playing and still probably can be found on wiki, one of the big divergences was, they didn't invent micro-transistors. That's why everything is big and bulky and that's why technology differs from us. However, around the time before great war, they finally invent micro - transistors so fallout universe suppose to looks like our universe if they keep continue using it.
@@uni4rm micro vacuum tubes are still infinitely more bulky than the integrated circuit, and just as fragile. Part of the reason micro electronics caught on in our timeline is precisely because they were more durable and their size couldn't be matched.
"They didn't invent transistors" was a myth arising from aesthetic confusion at seeing vacuum tubes at all in the original mixed-modern/retrofuturistic presentation of the original games,, deepened by Bethesda's aesthetic treatment of the franchise (wherein everything just stopped in WW2, stylistically; NCR troopers and Nate both dressed like they were in WW2, Korea at latest). Integrated circuits are represented in FO1 and FO2. There are desktop computers the size and external style of those that existed when the first Fallout games came out, which are then named as only dumb terminals (and yet still operate autonomously) with a much more retro style by Bethesda. You can look at Fallout's original energy weapons, and then how Bethesda later shoves a bunch of vacuum tubes into them that they didn't have before. It is very much something they played up for aesthetics. "Around the time before the great war," as you put it -- 2077 -- was much later than the first canonical mention of transistors in 2023, per Jack Cabot. The thing is, the year when transistors were invented in canon is never specified. People have claimed it, but no one has ever cited a source. As far as them *never* being invented, there are more sources for that, but you have to read them carefully to see that it was a design idea, not necessarily an accepted canon. Furthermore, EMP is effective against robots, which would not be the case if they ran entirely on vacuum tubes. I know everybody wants things wrapped up in some neat explanation, but this is just an inconsistent presentation of technology in the Fallout universe.
@@VitriolicVermillion transistors were available at the same time they were in our timeline. It's not the transistor which was the technologic bottleneck to microelectronics, it's the integrated circuit. It is canon that the integrated circuit was not widely adopted until the dying throes of society and even then it hadn't been common long enough to replace consumer tech.
For the very first mystery: Divergence probably happened when the aliens arrived to Earth and started messing around, which was way before ww2 considering the samurai in mothership zeta. That's the earliest point I can think of.
The Divergence being after World War 2 is completely FALSE because in Fallout 3 DLC Mothership Zeta, there is a Samurai named Toshiro Kago from around A.D. 1568-1603 in Feudal Japan, who was abducted by the Aliens. And since Bethesda confirmed that Mothership Zeta is canon, that means the Timeline Divergence can be as early as Feudal Japan Era.
@Bonniebell Roberts Mothership Zeta isn’t canon because Bethesda said it was. All the other dlc is canon because it’s in the game and Bethesda hasn’t stated otherwise. No idea how you came to your conclusion
People also forget that in the one game you could choose to become a force for good or evil. For good you would wear a trench coat and every evil person you killed would gain you karma. Adding to the theory mysterious stranger is a title given to multiple people.
Oh, there's something like that in FO3, you collect fingers of evil people as "proof" of your good deeds and they give caps for that They also give you their "uniform"
Fallout 3, are you talking about the Lawbringer/Contract Killer Perk? While the outfits of the Regulators are Dusters and Cowboy hats, different from what the stranger wears. Plus the Regulators have tight membership and they would know who the Stranger was.
The mercenaries of fallout are not necessarily being paid by anyone. They're largely organised raiders who are up for hire, which is actually much like real mercenaries in history who tended to turn to banditry when not working for anyone. Aristotle wrote that it is sometimes best to hire mercenaries even if you don't need them just to stop them from ravishing your lands.
My own personal head cannon about the Great Divergence is that the timelines have always been separated, with only minor divergences happening throughout it but causing any real difference, that is until the greatest of all divergences happen and completely split it away.
Yeah that mine aswell. They are completly seperated and up until 1945 things were pretty similiar , almost identical, but then things diverged radical because technological advancement in both lines was massivly accelerated after WW2 leading to more differences.
i say there were several divergences- military, political, cultural. technology in late 40s (no transistor chips), music in late 60s. ussr somehow surviving post 1990s.; then cold war shifting to prc in 21st century. and now- no robert edwin house born in 2020
Yeah I agree. The main difference is in the 1940s, but before that like you say. I think the concept of a divergence doesn't even fit with Fallout. This isn't alternate reality in a multiverse or comparative sense, it's just world building and it owes nothing to the real world.
@@malik740 Kind of like stretching a rubber band. More and more stress is added until if finally snaps post-WW2. One example is the Washington Monument is not constructed in the Fallout timeline the same way as it is in ours.
Here's one mystery you could make a part 2 eventually. In New Vegas its pretty common knowledge how much Courier 6 traveled. One mystery is where exactly did Courier 6 come from? All you get really is rumors and places he/she has been but no real source of origin. The Boneyard maybe? The Hub? It's hard to say. Even Ulysses from Lonesome Road will tell you, "You've walked farther than I have." According to Ulysses, the Courier has been to Circle Junction, New Reno, Vault City, Fort Abandon, and on brahmin drives at the Big Circle. Just how far did Courier 6 walk the wastes? Is it possible he/she might have traveled to the Capital Wasteland? Maybe the Commonwealth?
I pretty sure there's a picture of the lone wanderers parents or someone from the capital wasteland in vault 21, so cross country travel isn't impossible
@@insomniagobrrr5542 I'm forced to agree. I don't think Courier 6 is the LW from Fallout 3. I know there's a mod called TTW, Tale of Two Wastelands, but mostly that's just mod based not actual canon. Besides if Courier 6 is the LW, why wasn't he/she aware of Wasteland Survival Guide in game somehow? Nah I think Courier 6 might have originally been been born somewhere in the NCR. Aradesh maybe or even New Reno.
i really think that “is atom real” is a kind of tame and easy to answer question when you’re talking about the game where there’s occult lovecraft entities and alien invaders and interlopers invading our reality and weird black obelisks showing up.
FO4 has an additional reference to the mysterious stranger, if I remember correctly. I think one of the police stations has a dead raider in it, next to a terminal. The terminal has a log detailing his obsession with (and eventual death by) the mysterious stranger.
I always believed the mysterious stranger is a blessing given to an individual by some kind of luck deity as the perk is always tied to luck in the base games.
The Mysterious Stranger could be an immortal entity related to a luck god. We know that the supernatural stuffs like H.P. Lovecraft's stuff exists in the Fallout universe. So, it makes sense that there is some sort of luck related deity.
A brand deal with Nuka-Cola and the government lead to an early version of X-01 power armour being produced with Nuka-Cola Quantum branded shortly before the bombs, however X-01 power armour wouldn't be produced more until post-war
Does Miss Fortune have any expanded lore? Like the Mysterious Stranger. Or was she just a throw away character for New Vegas? I was sad when Miss Fortune didn't make it in to Fallout 4.
I like to think that Miss Fortune is a nod towards the Mistress of Mystery, but I can't remember if she was on the Unstoppables comic cover in New Vegas.
The divergence happened when Zetans first came into the Solar system and kidnapped various people throughout the history. Or when the Eldritch beings were created long before the big bang.
I always imagined that the Mysterious Stranger was some ambiguous immortal ancestor to the bloodline which spawned all the protagonists. Dog Meat is also HIS dog, not ours.
@@ILIKEOTTERS Yeah, thank you, when I played these games in my youth, I really put effort into that theory, and others I suppose. The only pertinent expansion to that theory I'd like to add is that I also assumed Dog Meat was possibly the stranger's method of tracking his bloodline.
The divergence point was the development of the microprocessor. You can tell because instead of technology becoming slimmer and more compact, they got bulkier and more reliant on nuclear energy.
Speaking of Sarah Lions. There is a fan made mod Called Exiles and Reminisce, which allows you to meet up with a group of Brotherhood members who are now in exile who are still loyal to Elder Lions’ ideas and that Sarah Lions is alive hiding from the Brotherhood. In the Mod you can have Sarah Lions take back control of the Brotherhood of Steel replacing Author Maxim. Reminisce is a fun fan explanation to who is paying the Gunners it is the Reminisce of the Enclave from Fallout 3.
The creators say the divergence was after 1945. But the Cabot story starts thousands of years ago. The most popular theory is that the alien contact, which left the helm, was the divergence. And the aliens are the difference. Their small touches over the years caused the divergence, which wasn't evident until after WW2, but started long before.
The interloper is Indrid Cold.. another legend attached to the moth man legend. Since the lore seems to be the same for the most part, as real life lore.. getting into the lore of the area will help. There’s a series called “Hellier”, that gets into all of that pretty deeply.
Theory: Maybe the divergence happened way into the past, like maybe even the birth of the Fallout universe, since we know that Eldrich Gods from the mind of H.P. Lovecraft exist or has been heavily hinted to exist in the Fallout universe. Since a lot of the works and books don't exist in the games but rather some key stories are actual events. Like the Cabot house in Fallout 4 where the father embarked on a journey in Egypt exactly as the one of Lovecraft's stories. There are also some mysterious creatures added to Fallout 76 as of recently as well. I personally missed the Limited time Event that involved Mothman cult and the mysterious creature that the "Enlightened" members of the cult reference to, but they do acknowledge that the presence is something stronger and otherworldly than the Mothman. Another one is the influence of the Dunwich mystery which is also considered to be almost supernatural by nature. Rituals performed by people to what seems to be a god from what we've seen to grant Immortality or wealth. A lot of history of Fallout is already diverged Pre - WW II.
Man I remember getting into fallout a few years ago and there was hardly any fallout RU-vidrs this is awesome to see how much traction the games have picked up since
I say retcon Sarah's death. It's happened several times in several other games, so do it here. Lol. She could pop in with the line " the tales of my death have been greatly exaggerated "
One possible theory I have about the Zetans' fascination with the Giddyup Buttercup comes down to their overall ideology and society. It's implied by the layout of the mothership that the Zetans are not the type of race to have any interest in leisure and are almost entirely focused on being as productive as possible. It's possible that due to this, they're fascination of the toy comes from them simply being starved of any sort of fun that even the smallest bit of dopamine (assume their brains can even produce it) is overwhelming to them. Personally, I'm more interesting in knowing why so many Zetan pilots don't know how to fly in an atmosphere for the life of them. I don't even think you can make the argument that the crafts are not meant for atmospheric flight since the pilots would almost certainly know about that and would make sure to stay out of the atmosphere. Unless the Zetans are Kerbals in trenchcoats, then I dunno what's going on with their pilots.
Maybe its not a flight pilot decline, may e they set the crashes as a stage and once people comes to investigate the mothership snatches them up , or maybe it traitor zetans escaping the mothership but getting shot down as they start flying🤔
If I'm not mistaken, the main divergence point is the invention of the integrated circuit. Technology in Fallout is made with vacuum tubes, plain transistors and other fairly retro components. It wasn't until much later that the integrated circuit was implemented into the tech tree of Fallout. The Platinum Chip is an example of tech with ICs, and I think the synth tech from the Commonwealth is another. The fact that micro electronics never caught on should be the main difference in the divergence of the two timelines. The reason everything looks so retro is because everything electronic is bulky.
I like the idea of atom being real because they describe division as new universes being made. So that means the great war created thousands of these universes (new games).
Makes you wonder if the 'divergence' wasn't somehow connected to the existence of lovecraftian deities in the fallout universe... (I know that dunwhich wasn't added until f.o.3 so it'd be a big retcon, but still).
The Divergence being after World War 2 is completely FALSE because in Fallout 3 DLC Mothership Zeta, there is a Samurai named Toshiro Kago from around A.D. 1568-1603 in Feudal Japan, who was abducted by the Aliens. And since Bethesda confirmed that Mothership Zeta is canon, that means the Timeline Divergence can be as early as Feudal Japan Era.
@@foofoo3344 An abduction isn't really a divergance. For all we know that samurai died in "our" timeline and never affected history. For the timeline to diverge from ours, history has to change on a greated scale than one person. So if Kago was returned to earth in his timeline, that would count. The real answer should still be before WW2 though, since the Zetans had been in contact for a while. The reason the writer said "I'm going to head this off now, stop asking questions." Was because they don't know and anything they choose will have huge holes in it.
@@kyleellis1825 You need to look at the butterfly effect. That one abduction could have major effect somewhere down the timeline. For example, what if an inconspicuous descendant of an unknown peasant (who's family have lived in a remote village for a long time without affecting history) who was supposed to be saved by the Samurai is somehow related to the early invention of the integrated circuit. Just because there is no immediate effect, it doesn't mean there won't be any effect. Sometimes the major changes could happen only after several centuries.
@@foofoo3344 I already said the samurai could have died (in our timeline)the same day he was abducted (in the fallout one). That negates any butterfly effects and that is my point. We don't know what the samurais fate would have been without intervention. If he had a historical name, then 100% you're right. But as it stands, we don't have enough information to state that is the point of divergence.
It was stated when the timelines splinted in Fall Out 3"s manual. And it was the transiter believe it or not. That's why computers in the Fall Out universe had vacuum tubes in them. And why it kept it's 1950's theme. I remember reading that, and thinking "Now that is some Butterfly Effect sh$t",
I like to think the mysterious stranger is a group of people. I hope that’s what it is, like maybe in future games there’s a hidden quest line that tells you a very small bit of information about the stranger in the form of a lost holotape or terminal entry that details the groups recruitment process, and then mentions people that have been vetted but didn’t pass, the first few entries being random names, then maybe the 4th or 5th name is “The Lone Wanderer”. And that’s it. Nothing else, but it would confirm that it’s a group and they looked into recruiting a character we played as that has influence and mentions in the new games. The lone wanderer was extremely influential and did a lot of good with project purity. Maybe he didn’t get recruited because he destroyed the enclave or something.
1:18 The Divergence doesn’t have to be an actual “event” like you expect, but can be also a context, in the Fallout context… the divergence is that the society (at least the US society, for what we know) focused it’s development on nuclear energy instead of microtransistors and IT technology. The after is explained in the opening of the games 18:16 I don’t think they need actually to be constantly payed to be in action. Maybe it could be they just just are settling there (where we find them in game) waiting for somebody to give them a quest. In fact it’s always us most of the times that interfere with their settlements, we never encounter them randomly
I hope in the next fallout be it 5 or another spinoff that the gunners are the main antagonists for a lot of the game. Kinda like in tactics where its raiders then raiders who like robots then super mutants and then the robots. I also hope in the next fallout game or future games theres a side quest centered around an order of mysterious strangers that nod to past games.
I would like for Fallout to either go to the Midwest or Canada. Chicago cause it would be an interesting place post war and is mentioned a lot in the series. I would believe Fallout's location would be located between the area of St Louis and Chicago with the Crashed Zetan Ship the Lone wanderer blew up in the DLC as reason to explore that area around the freeway and be a premise for the game.
The gunners are pretty much the eyes and ears of the enclave. Just hidden under a third company and pays them to scope out key locations and jobs. They're still mercenaries and will take the higher paying jobs if they come up. The enclave either never found a reason to go into the commonwealth or it was too risky. They did lose massively after the capital wasteland. So just hiring the gunners for the job was a better option on the table. The enclave probably would've got involved if the brotherhood never came with everything they used against them. Talon company was the same story. Their is a talon company base right north of project purity and someone gave that Intel to the enclave. It's not much of a surprise that the enclave came at the right time when they did. Not to mention that the gunners more then talon company are more like a Para military. Someone is training them, but staying hidden from who it really is. Also some is supplying them with military gear and hardware. Who would have a giant abundance of military gear?
Personally I think Alistair Tenpenny as well as his other residents of his tower are the ones paying Talon Company. We know that he has contempt for Megaton since it's an "eyesore" and his karma is set to "evil". I don't think it's a stretch that he may have issues with other settlements in the area. Or maybe he uses them to secure new areas for Tenpenny to control. It could be why we see them fighting super mutants in the downtown area. Similarly, I think the rich residents of diamond city are major contributors to the Gunners in the commonwealth. For a while I thought maybe it was the institute paying them but that idea falls flat when you consider the institute can just dispatch coursers to deal with problems on the surface. I think they're also being funded by parties outside the commonwealth who may wanna drain it of it's resources or displace people to take their land. With respect to Dunwich, if Eldritch deities seemingly exist in the FO universe, I don't see why Atom can't also exist. Or at least, why can't "Atom" be another one of those Lovecraftian entities. But that's all just my opinion
the mysterious stranger reminds me of the man in black that are speculated to be conected to aliens or the supernatural among other theorie´s... real world eyewhitness reports say that they sometimes seem to apear and disapear out of thin air ...
My head canon for the Mysterious Stranger is that he is a time traveller, and possibly only one person. (potential spoilers:) Remember in F2, the 'Guardian of Forever'? The random encounter that sends the player back with the sole purpose to break the actual waterchip in Vault 13 (sole purpose because that encounter ends only after breaking the chip iirc). This means it had to happen that way so the whole story of F1 could even start, and to me means that the 'Guardian of Forever' (though being a reference to a Star Trek TOS episode where it is just a time-portal) is more than just a portal but something with a purpose or sentience to guide and make things happen in a certain way. It sends that one (or possibly multiple but i don't think so) Mysterious Stranger to key moments to help the player characters in fights that could alter the expected/desirable timeline. Hell, it could even be NICK who is sent (maybe he had a human-like-looking artificial or even real skin at some point and all the damage visible on him now is just from all the countless battles he helped win).
Fun Fact: The Divergence being after World War 2 is completely FALSE because in Fallout 3 DLC Mothership Zeta, there is a Samurai named Toshiro Kago from around A.D. 1568-1603 in Feudal Japan, who was abducted by the Aliens. And since Bethesda confirmed that Mothership Zeta is canon, that means the Timeline Divergence can be as early as Feudal Japan Era.
The divergent point was when the transistor didn’t become popular and used vacuum tubes instead. After ww2 instead of going for smaller PC’s they opted to invest in massive super computers instead.
I love how you still talk about questions and lore about the games, unlike other Fallout RU-vidrs, most people don’t cover the games lore, but just certain buildings/peoples lore, so thank you
_The Mysterious stranger ~_ Possibly a highly advanced, early prototype Synth; with built in Stealth Boy technology incorporated into his body. Project cancelled when the Synth became sentient and escaped the Institute. Highly dangerous as all attempts to retrieve him proved fatal for his pursuers. Leading to cancellation of this highly advanced early model. Also, being decades ahead of his time, necessary materials needed to create more like him proved too difficult to source.
So basically Nick's other brother? That would explain the similar style of clothing. But then, we know that both, aliens and elder gods are basically really in Fallout. So maybe the stranger is one of those. Maybe one of those ancient eldritch creatures that meddles with humanity.
I swear the ECBOS is the most misunderstood and lied about faction in all of Fallout. Arthur did not fully restore the chapter to the standards of the WC, in fact the chapter is still has protecting Wastelanders as their top priority. (hence their restoration of roads, conflicts with Gunners and Raiders, etc.) What Arthur did to bring the Outcasts back into the fold was point out that dangerous tech can still be contained or destroyed, that they can do both. (as that action does protect Wastelanders) Heck most of their new recruits are Wastelanders!
For the divergence question, it’s even farther back than the 1918 Sunset Sarsaparilla thing. In Mothership Zeta one of the people the Zetans captured was Toshiro Kago. From what I looked up he was born before 1562. So making it be almost 700 years since Toshiro was picked up.
Well the buttercup thing easily could be linked to the nukaworld dlc. There is a quest you have deliver a buttercup to the robot who is sadden to see its been destroyed. In the same quest you realize the protectrons also had real duels with kids in a wild west format
The divergence is William Shockley dies in a car wreck in 1946 so he never employs Bardeen and Brittain to invent the transistor so technology never gets smaller.
my personal head cannon is that the divergence was July 8 1947, in our time line it was not aliens (or if it was then the gov't did a muuuch better job at keeping a lid on things assuming you believe that sort of thing) just an advanced weather balloon, But in the fallout time line it WAS a Zetan ship and had a distress beacon the Zetans being advance beings who could violate causality, came in their mother ships and used that power to begin abducting people from several points in history and the resulting butter fly effects culminating in two very radical changes in the years immediately after ww2 the first is what you just mentioned and the other possibly even more significant change was that the world didn't collectively crap its pants a over the thought of nuclear war and thus did not halt development of nuclear power
The biggest Mystery is: When the Gunners and the Tallon Company are hired guns, why do they shoot anyone on sight without warning? Thats not a way to treat potential customers.
You bring up something interesting, what if the mysterious strangers were all apart of an organization, like the fallout cia or sometbing. Their coats and revolver are very authority figure like.
I think the timeline MOSTLY split in the late 40s or early 50s when the precursor to the microship was invented replacing vaccum tubes, as mentioned there were other factors but i think that was the main one where the tech was simply never invented, or atleast wasnt invented at that time with it fitting much later in the timeline likely after society conquered nuclear technology.
Im pretty sure canonically the divergent point was the fact that in fallout they never developed a microchip. This unlocked a lot of todays modern advancements. Since they never did that they ended up using nuclear powered items as a means to get similar products. This created a need for radioactive material and a ton of mining which used a lot of resources to collect. This would have been in 1959
Who hired talon company to kill the vault dweller is easy, one of the triggering events is stopping the bombing of megaton. As Mr Burke can be killed in one of the ways of triggering it, it's clearly Tenpenny hiring them.
My question that will go unanswered is why some guns look completely different in multiple fallout games like the 10 mm pistol, assault rifles, submachine gun, plasma rifle and gauss rifle. I was always curious about why the iconic types of firearms across multiple fallout instalments are all cosmetically inconsistent.
@@derekmensch3601 one thing I should mention is the G3 rifle and Chinese assault rifle from 3 were gonna be in 4 but got cut due to time constraints and Bethesda being Bethesda so we got the mishmash 249 Lewis monstrosity that is fallout 4’s assault rifle.
My biggest unanswered question is HOW THE FUCK ARE HOLOTAPES RECORDED!?!? People die with them on their person but there's never a sign of any related recorder. Do holotapes have microphones built in? I NEED TO KNOW!
The divergence question i have is when fallout universe moved away frim the computer processing chip and turned to nuclear fusion. Who cares about a soda pop beverage?…
Sunset Sasparilla doesn't break the divergence point. You can have a game set in a real world setting and still include fictional/fictitious companies, brands or items. I don't think some brands being around from before the divergence breaks it
The answer to why a quest can be started, but the person required to finish the quest is no longer in the game is easy to answer. Bethesda has a great world in which to build. They have great writers. But they are lazy beyond lazy and don't clean up after themselves. YEARS later, there are bugs in their games that never get fixed. You either learn to live with them and enjoy what's there, or you have the good sense to never buy their product again... because - like war - they never change.
Dunwich is a reference to Bethesda's Call of Cthulhu: Dark corners of the Earth. While gameplay is a bit ropey the use of the source material is second to none. There were several moments where I stopped and went "this feels familiar" only to realise why and nope out of there. It wasn't until Bethesda took over that the Lovecraft references became common and overt.
Sunset sarsaparilla company could easily be A-treat bottling company that has many flavoured beverages including sarsaparilla which was started in *drum roll* 1918
maxson. maxson killed lyons thou not by his own hands. theirs no question about it. dude fundamentally disagreed with her and her father stances on almost every front even as a kid. when he saw that chance to let her die and he took it. its also not agenst cherictor as four shows. dude dos some bad things withought a second though do to his convictions.
I feel like all fiction that is/was set in the real world inevitably has some events that differ from our real world, I don’t think that necessarily distinguishes those stories as ‘alternate timelines.’ For the same reason I feel like sunset sarsaparilla is kind of a null point, like I don’t think many people would call waterworld an ‘alternate timeline’ from our own, ‘but smeat was invented and canned prior to the flood, so clearly waterworld exists on a totally separate timeline,’ I think both of them just count as sort of baseline fiction.
I think the Giddy-Up Buttercup toys on the Zetan ship is a joke. Basically it would seem they have, rather understandably, completely misinterpreted Pre-War human culture and are under the impression that the toys are extremely valuable to Pre-War humans and are studying them to try and figure out why.
It sounds like to me that the divergence is actually a bunch of smaller events that could have caused an overall great butterfly effect To cause the fall out universe to become different from ours
The Fallout timeline does not diverge, it is a parallel timeline with many similarities. Something that is more plausible than a timeline that looks nothing like ours.
What if the mysterious stranger has a little stealth boy in his holster and when he holsters his gun the stealth boy activates giving him time to leave the premisis without anybody seeing where he goes
