10 Questions with Mike Winger (Episode 13) 

Great agent Smith impersonation by the way, Mike!

It’s interesting on question nine that they said atheists. There are Christians who use crude language and have “lower standards“ than you?

Thank you ❤ May the Lord bless you and protect you

If you can see this message, this is a prayer request to my brothers and sisters in Christ. My comments get shadow banned 99.99% since I started sharing the Gospel thanks to Mike's encouragement (been watching for over 10 years now). Since the Gospel is offensive to many, I suspect I've received too many down votes even though I have always sought to promote love and peace. If so inspired, would you please give me an upvote on this comment. Not sure if it will work, but I'm hoping it will allow me to participate in other more controversial channels to promote compassionate Gospel truth where others have gotten caught up in hating their neighbor. At the very least, prayers are appreciated. Thanks so much! ❤

"Is going to the cemetery and talking to loved ones necromancy?" I find that practice highly problematic. In fact a lot of burial/funeral practices seem to be to me like slippery slopes. I get that people are mourning the death of others. But I'm annoyed how that is used to dictate all kinds of practices and even teachings on others. Catholics liked to do that.

Morning stream! So, first degree arson. 😊

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I am so terribly sorry for your incomprehensible loss 🙏😢

May the Lord bless you and keep you.

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Jesus is indeed close to the broken hearted. When you're broken over your sin and humble before God, he will certainly lift you up. There's nothing you can go through that God can't get you through it. I'm so glad you chose to abide in Christ.

I am so so sorry for your loss.

Praise the Lord!

I prayed after my parents died things like…please give me rest that they are with You to things like, please tell them that I love them. I don’t think either is wrong UNLESS it starts to adversely affect your relationship with God.

How beautiful that you were able to work out those difficult feelings, and that God led you through it so gently. I think that is the difference of 'crying out in our grief,' and 'pushing God away' believing that he doesn't understand our pain, even after we've gotten the chance to share it with him. He is faithful! ❤️

Thank you for sharing you heart. May Jesus continue to bless your heart. I wish I could hug you. May His love be all you need it to be.

It's incredible what God can bring us back from

Thx pastor for your service. May God give you peace and confidence

@Roger I can't imagine your pain. I'm so sorry for you and his family! God's blessings on you and your ministry. Please take care of yourself! 🙏

I am praying for you

Wow! God bless you and the work, brother.

Prayers for you.

I'm so sorry for your loss and your pain. I hope that somehow in a way only He can do, that He spoke to her deep in her heart in her final moments and that her heart may have opened to His love.

You never know what took place in the final moment before she took her last breath. All she had to say is "Jesus". So don't despair. Jesus is THE HEALER of everything, including broken hearts. He will give you PEACE THAT SURPASES ALL UNDERSTANDING. KEEP HAVING TUNNEL VISION FOR HIM. He is your best friend ever. He loves and adores you. Rejoice...the very best is yet to come. 😊😊😊

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I had the same with my grandpa, he was a truly evil man, but towards his later years he changed, I don't know if he knew Christ, I was 9 yrs old, that was really hard. He lived by the sword and died by it.

@@sonyaweakley4440 All she had to do was say “Jesus”? Then what would have happened according to your understanding of scripture?

I do the same. My heart BLEEEDS for you. I lost my first born son so I know, first-hand, there's no grief & agony comparable. The 2nd harshest grief is still light years from losing one's own child. Idkh ppl who dont have Jesus to turn to for comfort survive it.

I lost my daughter too. And I never talked to her directly. I knew she was in Heaven with the Lord and from time to time, I’ve asked the lord the same. “Lord please let Victoria know I’m missing her”, and the like. It’s hard at times but I also look forward to meeting her one day!

I am sorry for your loss ❤

@@Elisha_she_bear Thank you! I appreciate that.

We lost our 4 1/2 year old son 2 months ago. I lost my mom 19 years ago and I agree that there is no pain like losing a child. I miss him so very much! I feel like a big part of me went to heaven with him. I don’t talk to him but I do ask Jesus to give him hugs and kisses from his mama.

That was wise of you to recognize what was not healing for you! That was such an awful loss, but like David, you know where she is and you will be with her again. Much love.

I never visit graves, they aren't there and it only makes me sad.

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I am so happy that God healed your pain. I hope you have many more joyful days to come. God bless you!

@tishalack1089. I hear you. I too lost a child at 5 years old. Heartbreaking. I think when our faith isn’t strong grief can pull us into a downward spiral. I see how God pulled you out of that spiral and helped you see the truth. This is how we grow I think, going through the fire so to speak and emerging out of it more wise and stronger in faith. Grief is a process we have to go through, else we would not be human, but you were definitely helped through the process by our Father. Those mysterious ways of His! It’s awe inspiring.

amen. amen and yes ❤

That’s so tough to hear my man.

Bless you ❤️‍🩹🙏🏼 sending you all the love and healing I have also hung on to that everything will make sense someday. Our God is every good adjective you can think of, and then some. We are SO blessed!!! And that’s why we praise Him🥰

I am so sorry. Not knowing where your loved one is, is the hardest thing to go through.

You did not seek contact with the dead and there's nothing in the Bible that says we cannot hear whispers from eternity.

@@kellypatton1220 I don't mean to be insensitive, butdragonslayer said the fqather "denied HIM on his deathbed." He or she knows where their father is at.

Oh how joyful that is!! I've heard of people seeing Jesus coming for them as they passed and what joy they have!! THIS is what we believe and know that our Savior will do for us!! God bless you ❤

My grandfather passed away in his sleep with a smile on his face.It's like they all knew btw he was a very religious loving person

Honest question from someone considering Catholicism. Do you think your family was truly in line with the teachings of the Catholic Church or going overboard either in practice or heart? My understanding is that relics should point to the reality of our Bodily resurrection in Christ and the Communion of Saints through our One Mediator Christ. I've learned a lot about spiritual warfare from Priests who battle demons through the Power of Christ and the intercession of His Saints, including the Blessed Mother

You may be interested in "The Exorcist Files" podcast

@@foodforthought8308 yes, id say my family was in line w catholic teaching and doctrine. We attended Mass every Wednesday and Sunday and confession every Saturday. We were all baptized, had reconciliation, first communion, and were confirmed in highschool. I was also married w in the catholic church after taking precanna classes w my husband ( we didnt leave the catholic church until 2020) We abstained from meat every Friday and recieved communion every Sunday ..never touching it w our hands out of respect. We had masses said in our home, prayed the Rosary every night as a family after dinner, as well as various novenas. We also were all named after various saints, grew up wearing scapulas and metals, and kept holy water in our home. We were homeschooled for elementary school using Seton homeschool curriculum ( a catholic homeschool curriculum named after Saint Elizabeth Ann Seton) and then went to a private Catholic junior high and highschool. My family was not the kind of family that only attended church on Christmas and Easter. We were extremely devoted to the Catholic religion and belonged to the Universal Living Rosary Society and attended weekly Eucharistic Adoration. Leaving the Catholic church was initially difficult on my heart...I knew my family would likely not understand and I loved the traditions I grew up with. A Latin High Mass is beautiful and I so miss the stained glass windows and incense. There's something so comforting to it for me. That being said, the Bible is clear that we no longer need a priest to be our go between for us and God, as Jesus is our mediator, And is also clear that the work on the cross was a once and for all sacrifice..the work on the cross is finished. Catholics believe Jesus is perpetually sacrificed at every Mass, that through a special ritual the host and wine actually become the real body and blood of Christ, and that you must recieve the eucharist and wine to abide w Jesus. This is unbiblical as are other aspects of Catholic dogma, sych as praying to saints and Mary, venial vs mortal sins, and purgatory. Paul warns quite a bit about certain men who had broken away from the truth and were telling people to avoid certain foods and forbidding marriage. I would encourage u to read 1 Timothy 4 and to check out Mike's video on the Catholic faith, he does an excellent job at his treatment of Catholic catechism and I saw no bias in his video or opinion at all. I'm praying for your discernment, friend. ♥

@@foodforthought8308 Although many non-Catholics object to relics, the Bible contains several examples of relics being integral to healing. For example, the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to back to life: 2 Kings 13:20-21 So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet. The hem of Jesus’ garment cured the woman of a hemorrhage (cf. Mt 9:20-22), and the sick were healed when Peter’s shadow passed over them (cf. Acts 5:14-16). Even more interesting is the case of a relic of Paul: Acts 19:11-12 "And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them" The Catholic Church does not say there is some magical power in relics; there is nothing in the relic itself, whether a bone of the apostle Peter or water from Lourdes, that has any curative ability. However, scripture clearly shows that the proper use of relics may be the occasion of God’s miracles.

​CCC 696 says Mary is a co mediator with Christ. So already you're not catholic. It's an unbiblical doctrine. 1 thess 4:13-18 says those who are dead are waiting for the shout so the dead in Christ can rise. Therefore these saints are dead. Ask for intercession from the saints that are alive. ​@@foodforthought8308 Edit: This is coming from someone who, like you, wanted to find a reason to be catholic. It seemed cool, I like the robes and the imagery and the beautiful cathedrals and all that I called and talked to a few priests, got given a catechism and catholic answer bible to look into, he even bookmarked the sections in the catechism for me with the questions I was asking him. I read it and was shocked by the claims about Mary specifically as just one example. As much as I'd like it to be right it just isn't. They've strayed way too far.

Whoa . . . 😎✝️

Holy Spirit moment!

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Unfortunately, Mike this this REALLY wrong. Here's what you CAN tell your kids: The saints are alive, not dead. (Mk 12:26-27) The saints are aware of our prayers and needs. (cf. Lk 15:10, Heb 12:1, Rev 5:8) The saints are righteous, and their prayers are effective. (cf. Rev 21:27, Jam 5:16) Scripture is silent on the question of asking saints to pray for us (which is NOT necromancy). Therefore, we are free to do so. *Necromancy is communication with the dead in order to obtain hidden or secret knowledge beyond our ordinary human powers, whether about the future or current events. It’s not mere communication with the dead. Many non-Catholics erroneously conflate the two; they may look similar but they are very different. Notice the subsequent instructions that Moses gives concerning a coming prophet. In Deut. 18:15, Moses says, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren-him you shall heed.". In other words, there is no need to go to mediums, sorcerers, wizards, or necromancers to gain knowledge, because God will send a prophet of his own. Since the context of Deut 18 is about looking to God’s prophet and not to mediums, sorcerers, wizards, or necromancers, it’s clear that the prohibition has to do with seeking hidden knowledge beyond ordinary human intelligence apart from God. And since conjuring up the dead (necromancy) is one way of doing that, God forbids it. But that's not what is happening when people ask the SAINTS to pray for them.

Catholic doctrine which is different from protestant doctrine.

Definitely catchy and clever... but If Mike were to admit to' winging it' or improvising, isn't he then saying he does things w/o much preparation? The dude is practiced both in terms of the Word and the intent of it.🌹

Smart...but maybe 'God's Wingman' instead. He's changed so many lives this guy...literally God's wingman.

@@linak7155 I agree. I was just kidding. No one puts in more preparation than Mike Winger.

Exactly. His whole Q&A sessions are "winging it". Most answers are philosophy/wisdom of men and guesswork. Listen to the mess of the question 3 "answer". It would be comical if it wasn't tragic. One day he will have to give an answer to God for misleading thousands 😢

@@leenieledejo6849 Oh dear, I'm not sure what is going on in your life for you to be so bitter but you are in the right place to fix all that. Mike has an is changing lives with his knowledge, wisdom and infectious positivity. I hope you arrive at a place of love and compassion soon.

I know what it's like to yearn for people to share things like this with and not have that, but I do know that Jesus will listen and understand. May He give you comfort and fellowship. ❤

@kathleens.laroche754 Thank you for this. Sometimes, it's easy to forget that Jesus knows all about me, and I can talk to Him, because He loves and cares for me. Bless you for your kindness.❤️

And I’ll help you bake it, dear sister!

The saints are aware of our prayers and needs. (cf. Lk 15:10, Heb 12:1, Rev 5:8)

As an outsider of the 3rd Dimension. Learning of humanity and their religions, is interesting. Oh... I'm only human in form. Not in soul. And when I'm done on Earth. "I" won't be here in the 3rd Dimension nor on Earth. As I never was.

Well, God goes fishing often as well, so you are in good company 😅

Worked for the disciples.

Watching a loved one pass away from pancreatic cancer is HORRIFIC. I lost my mom last year to it... I agree with you. Wouldn't wish it on anyone... 💔 I'm sorry for your loss as well...

His "answer" to question 3 was his own guesswork. Nothing "true" about it. His answer to question 4 was full of "I think...", "I think...". If you truly want answers you will pray and LISTEN and WAIT. And heed Jesus's words in John 14:26 & 16:13.

@leenieledejo6849 You do realize that Mike isn't Jesus. He is a pastor willing to give his best understanding of scripture. That's it. If you don't like the way Mike is doing his thing. You are always capable of going online and doing it "right".

@@thelanaden Jesus tells you how to get the best understanding of Scripture. Stop ignoring him: John 14:26 & 16:13.

@leenieledejo6849 Look Karen. If you don't like Mike. Stop watching him. Crying like a spoiled brat is never an option.

@@thelanaden Oh some puerile insults! What a surprise from Mike's fanboys. Your idolatry is there for all to see because *raging* at ANY criticism of idols is a classic symptom (since idolatry is a work of the FLESH, your reaction is carnal too: Galatians 5:19-21).

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I said a prayer for them ❤ Please pray for John, who doesn’t know the Lord. Thank you, may God bless you ✝

@@kgebhardt1187. Will do. Thank you❤

My dad died 2 years ago and I’ve said the same thing…that it has gotten harder, not easier. I don’t talk to him either although I sometimes say “miss you dad” when I see something in life that reminds me of him. I know he’s safe and in complete joy with Christ!

Yes and no... Descendent of the First Divine Soul. The Primordial Evil predates humanity's Gods. Satan/Devil? Please, they are not even close. Well... Safe travels from the 9th Dimension of Existence. Souls of Free Will.

That's so good to hear. That tells me that you are a GENUINE servant of Christ. The vast majority of ppl can easily detect a GENUINE Christian & treat us with respect & consideration for us. Consider: the most cynical athiests would trip all over themselves to please Mr. Rogers. But the vast majority mock the daylights out of Kenneth Copeland.

Did the ouija board actually work?

@@doms5755 I only used it around 30 years ago, way before this, as a teen, with other girls, we were trying to get in touch with Kurt Cobain! We did not get him but we got something! Banging on the dorm and no footprints, screaming outside too, even camp leaders were scared, they figured we were making it happen and we absolutely weren't. At one point a loud banging at the door inspired one girl to answer the door but it was like a wind? It blew her metres across the room and she landed on the floor and ran away screaming and had to be sent home. We were all crying and screaming and figured we'd invited a demon in, but many of us believed we were subconsciously doing all of it ourselves through fear, as the leaders were calming us down it began to stop (the banging and the screaming outside), so we felt we were controlling it somehow. Anyway we all eventually got to sleep and I never played again. Though I did really want to that night of my mother's funeral, I'm so glad I didn't. It wouldn't have been her.

I talked to my sister after she died suddenly several years ago. In my grief, I cried out to her. My faith has recently been strengthened and I am learning so much reading the Bible and at my church. Now, I do the same as you. I ask Him to give her a big hug for me and tell her I love her ❤ May the Lord bless you and comfort you always

I am sorry for your losses, and I’m sending you a hug ❤✝

You have not sinned. The saints are alive, not dead. (Mk 12:26-27) The saints are aware of our prayers and needs. (cf. Lk 15:10, Heb 12:1, Rev 5:8) The saints are righteous, and their prayers are effective. (cf. Rev 21:27, Jam 5:16) Scripture is silent on the question of asking saints to pray for us which is NOT necromancy*. Therefore, we are free to do so. *Necromancy is communication with the dead in order to obtain hidden or secret knowledge beyond our ordinary human powers, whether about the future or current events. It’s not mere communication with the dead. Many non-Catholics erroneously conflate the two; they may look similar but they are very different. Notice the subsequent instructions that Moses gives concerning a coming prophet. In Deut. 18:15, Moses says, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren-him you shall heed.". In other words, there is no need to go to mediums, sorcerers, wizards, or necromancers to gain knowledge, because God will send a prophet of his own. Since the context of Deut 18 is about looking to God’s prophet and not to mediums, sorcerers, wizards, or necromancers, it’s clear that the prohibition has to do with seeking hidden knowledge beyond ordinary human intelligence apart from God. And since conjuring up the dead (necromancy) is one way of doing that, God forbids it. But that's not what is happening when people ask the SAINTS to pray for them. Be at peace.

doesn't this, read as a fact, preclude resurrection?

But the traditional and unscriptural doctrine of consciousness after death stubbornly persists. The Bible is IGNORED. “The dead do not praise the LORD, nor any who go down in silence.” (Psalm 115:17, 18 NKJV) “His spirit [‘ruach’-breath] departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his thoughts perish.” (Psalm 146:4 NASB) “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and THEN He will reward each according to his works.” (Matthew 16:27) THEN and NOT immediately after death. Resurrection of the dead must happen in order to receive the “reward.” “… you shall be repaid at the RESURRECTION of the just.” (Luke 14:14) “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give everyone according to his work.” (Revelation 22:12) “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the GRAVES [not in Heaven or “hell] will hear His [Jesus’] voice and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of LIFE, and thise who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” (John 5:28, 29) And what is this “condemnation”? The Bible is CLEAR that the condemnation is DEATH. Eternal death-ceasation of existence-FOREVER. “For the wages of sin is DEATH, but the gift of God is eternal LIFE in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23) “… he who does NOT have the Son of God does NOT have life.” (1. John 5:12) Same as in the well-known John 3:16-either “perish” or have everlasting LIFE. Logical, because death and life are direct OPPOSITES. The the unscriptural, God-insulting, blasphemous, satanic doctrine of eternal life or existence in the so-called “hell” gives the unsaved ALSO eternal life-albeit in horrible misery and suffering. What a horrible portrayal of our Heavenly Father. What blasphemous doctrine. John clearly states that those outside if Christ “DO NOT HAVE LIFE.” (1. John 5:12) And both Paul and Ezekiel state that the unsaved get the punishment of DEATH-Romans 6:23; Ezekiel 18:4. Ezekiel 18:23, 31, 32 is also very clear, and speaks clearly of God’s character. We read there that God takes “NO pleasure” in the DEATH of the wicked. So why do so many think that He would derive pleasure from their supposed everlasting torment? UNTHINKABLE! James 5:20 also says that the unsaved get DEATH. Finally, WHY didn’t Jesus say to his disciples that He will see them WHEN THEY DIE and their “soul” (or spirit) leaves their body and goes to Heaven? Why did He say what He said in John 14:2, 3-namely, that HE will RETURN and THEN take them to Heaven, so that they can be together with Him? The PARABLE of Lazarus and the Rich Man, which is obviously METAPHORICAL, is taken literally by the desperate proponents of the “hell” and “immortal soul” heresy. And the passage of the “thief on the cross” CAN be harmonised with the rest of the Scriptures. Even Jesus did NOT go to Heave that day-see John 20:17. Jesus told the man that already, on that very day-long before the resurrection of the dead and the Judgment Day-he can be CERTAIN that he WILL be with Jesus in Paradise. And that will happen after the RETURN of Jesus, of course. “Immortal soul” or immortal spirit is UNSCRIPTURAL! Only God is immortal (1. Timothy 6:16). Hence, only He can grant us eternal life-when Jesus returns.

@@nicoladibara1936 "Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!" (Mark 12:26-27)

Jesus didn't contradict all those verses that indicate the dead are not conscious and are completely unaware of the condition. That would mean Jesus blasphemes the holy spirit since those verses were written under inspiration.

@@toreyhorton1789 "He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!" (Mark 12:27)

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The spirit that appeared to Saul was a demon disguising itself as Samuel. Notice that the witch said that the spirit came from the ground(1 Sam. 28:13). Now compare this with 2 Pet. 2:4. And yes, it truthfully delivered a message to Saul from God that he and his sons were going to die because of his rebellion.

It was actually Samuel, according to the Biblical account: "And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage."Verse 14

It’s interesting… both of you have the opposite answers… why does this happen so often within Christianity? I’ve been a believer for 33 years and am no way walking away from my faith, but wonder why this is. Any ideas?

You should submit this question next week.

@@Afrinaturality I hope they do! Interesting topic

I'm sorry that Mike disturbed your peace with his false teaching. Scripture proves him wrong. "In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." (Luke 15:10) Who are those rejoicing in the presence of the angels, and how do they know that someone on earth has repented? Be at peace.

I like to skip the stream and watch it afterward so I can go through the material slower and actually retain more of it. During the live I tend to get into conversations and don’t pay enough attention to the material. Perhaps your‘mistake’ is a good thing.

I wish to read your story.

Me too!

i met thousands of asleep in Christ recently so they were never dead anyway since God is the God of the living. test the Spirits to see if they are from God He can send them He brings them to talk to me. the animals even. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; ... And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; ... And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. - Revelation 5:8-9, 11, 13 KJV

​@@CircleWedge I will pray about it. God bless

@@FireflowerDancer I will pray about it. God bless

He was wrong. Christ himself did not return immediately to the Father according to Peter and Isaiah. He told Mary upon His resurrection that He had not yet returned to the Father.

2 Cor. 5:8 "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord". Pretty sure that doesn't mean napping in His presence, but wide awake. The only verses in the Bible about the dead being asleep are considered metaphoric (like when you say that your dog is 'put to sleep' - you mean it in a nice way, but you didn't just give Fluffy a nap). Also in Revelation, it seems that the people are all wide awake, so depending on your view of when the new bodies are distributed, that counts as evidence of people being aware in Heaven. So, there is a minority of Christians who think that you sleep until the Resurrection, but most do not. Hope that helps!

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Pretty sure Jesus hasn't returned yet so those who are dead in Christ also haven't risen. 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52 - Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. Paul again mentions a trumpet but he says at the last trumpet. I'm pretty certain that the final or last trumpet hasn't blown and therefore the dead have not risen.

The reality is there are passages that talk about the dead sleeping, and a place called Sheol, as well as heaven and hell. Sheol was a literal muddy pit to bury bodies in, thus when the Israelites departed, they were said to have 'gone down to Sheol.' The Israelites also thought the dead had no consciousness. These beliefs seemed to contrast with new testament passages about going to be with the Lord immediately after death.

That's an interpretation issue, not a communication one. The Israelites with God’s spirit conveyed the truth about the dead being inactive, unconscious, and unaware of their death sleep-like state. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Psalm 146:4, Isaiah 38:18, Psalm 6:5, Psalm 115:17) However, you're interpreting Paul’s words to suggest he is claiming that some conscious part of him leaves his body and goes to heaven. That’s likely because you chose to accept belief as true. That we have some immortal conscious being residing in our bodies. 2 Timothy 3:16 2 Peter 1:21 All the scriptures were written by Israelites and they were written under the direction of the holy spirit so we wouldn't want to imply the holy spirit misguided them in the OT. The OT is foundational and direct. You're misconstruing/misinterpreting the text in the NT if you believe they are inconsistent/incompatible/conflicting.