I can’t say I agree Anakin explicitly begging for help would be better because the final film features essentially the same exchange in a much more subtle fashion. As Anakin burns, he cries out in pain, desperately looking with tears in his eyes to the man who’s been like a father to him for some form of rescue or relief. Obi-Wan knows he can’t save him, though, regardless of how he may want to more than anything, and so looks and walks away, leaving his fallen apprentice to his fate. All of that’s done without a single word between them, and so to spell it out so explicitly would be to rob that scene of its nuance and power, at least in my mind.
I feel like Anakin never would begged for help. He was at this point totally consumed with raging anger that had him made kill Padmé, the original reason for turning to the dark side. Basically, he was a full circle crazy and hated everything, including himself.
Or force-tossed him into the lava. That would have saved a lot of trouble (and people). Of course, then there wouldn’t have been A New Hope and, frankly, a story.
The Chewie scene would’ve broken me right then and there. We never get to actually see into the full perspective of Chewbacca, not without translation from the other characters. So to see Chewbacca, who we would expect to be filled with either terror, or rage at the man who killed his best friend/life debt holder…. And yet only see Chewbacca still loving Ben…. Man, that makes me tear up just describing it. That would’ve been a beautiful scene.
Mace Windu, Jocasta Nu, and Ki-Adi-Mundi are the ones who called Dooku a political idealist not, Yoda. The Special Editions came out in March 1997, not 1977. Not getting the Big 6 (Han, Luke, Leia, R2, C3PO, Chewie) back together in the ST was criminal.
I remember when I first saw A New Hope, I was confused as to why Luke was so attached to this one pilot over all the others. I just assumed they bonded off screen. It wasn’t until the special editions that I realized that they were old friends. But without the scenes on Tatooine, the special editions made their friendship even more confusing. Also I know that he had just come off a high from destroying the Death Star. But he was a lot more shaken up by Obi-WAN’s death than that of his lifelong friend.
I knew who the character of Biggs was before actually seeing ANH because strangely enough, they had that scene of Luke and Biggs on Tatooine in the original Comic Book version of the movie, which was released even before the movie came out!
The way they cut Luke's dealing w/Han's death is the clear evidence that they have no idea what the hell they were doing. "Let's cut a 10 seconds scene and put more casino shots". Unfreaking believable .
There was an extended scene of entering the shield bunker in Return of the Jedi. While leaving it in might have slowed down the action, they should have left in the part where the Imperial officer says, 'You rebel scum!" And Han says, 'Scum?" with outrage.
Not a deleted scene, but I thought it would have been neat for the Death Star II to stop firing when the Rebel fleet mixed in with the Imperial Star Destroyers. And have the Emperor demand, 'Why have you ceased fire?' Moff Jerjerrod replies, 'But we might hit our own ships!' The Emperor replies, 'And?' Or just have the Death Star Mark II fire... destroy a Rebel ship... and a Star Destroyer along with it. And have the control room stare in shock.
I feel this is a deleted scene. Or at least, something from the original script. There is more than just 1 deleted scene with Moff Jerjerrod. There's a channel here on FB that put all the deleted scenes with him together and incorporated it back into the original ROTJ footage
@@brianwhedon8442 Could be. I could see that being part of the original script. I did have a script copy that was released with art work, but I think that was the theatrical one.
That also leaves open a possible scene of the Rebel fleet commanders using their smaller, faster ships and tactical awareness to maneuver into using several star destroyers as shields against the death star, causing several of the death star's blasts to do little more than thin out their own numbers of star destroyers while the crafty rebels avoid the shots entirely.
True. I'd have settled for having one of the Ewoks take a dump in the woods. Disney's best bet would have been to work with George Lucas' treatment for the sequels, and call in some competent writers to flesh it out (apparently it was nowhere near being a completed script), and also not to just throw away the whole Expanded Universe (there were enough stories there to keep them going for decades). Even if their execution of it wasn't that good, they would have been able to defend it as being somewhat true to Lucas' original vision. The second best thing they could have done was to contract JJ Abrams to complete the entire trilogy based on his ideas (despite their lack of originality). Based on the leaked draft for his version of Episode 8, we would have a coherent explanation of why Rey was able to pick up a lightsaber for the first time and beat Kylo Ren in Episode 7 - Luke using the Force to guide her actions. Instead of making her a 'Mary Sue', we would have seen her undergo some real training in the ways of the Force, and thus some character development. It would also have avoided the whole 'broken Luke' storyline (which made no sense at all). With any luck we would also have seen them do something interesting with Poe and Finn (potentially the most interesting new character in the sequels) - instead we got Poe being dressed-down by Vice-Admiral Holdo for no valid reason when he questioned her defeatism and inaction, and Finn being abandoned to a pointless sub-plot that did nothing to advance the story.
I heard in the deleted scene in ROTS when Anakin is burning on the lava shores of Mustafar and begs Obi-Wan for help, Obi-Wan says, "I tried," and turns away. That's when Anakin shouts "I hate you!" and then we see his eyes turn yellow for the first time. This was supposed to have been changed because George Lucas thought it would be more appropriate if his eyes turned yellow earlier, like when he was slaughtering younglings.
I think Lucas screwed up by having Anakin slaughter the younglings instead of the 501st doing the deed alone. First off, it makes all of his later scenes with Padme and Obi Wan anticlimactic because you know damn well they aren't talking him down from his embrace of the dark side after he's just murdered a bunch of little kids who were looking to him for protection. It would have demonstrated that, prior to his fight with Obi Wan, he hadn't fully embraced the dark and maybe in the right circumstance could have been saved from himself, since at that point all he had done was stop Mace from killing Palpatine (had a hand in his death but wasn't intending to kill him) and he would have killed the insurrection leaders, who were a collection of murderous villains anyways. Also, killing those children was just such an unforgiveable thing for him to do, especially considering how much "there's still good in him" talk we get from the original trilogy. There is no good in someone who murders a hundred children with an effing sword, and no way in hell this dude suddenly gets redeemed and becomes a "good" force ghost because he finally turned on Palpatine and saved his son.
@@22steve5150 I think I agree. My problem with it is that his desire to save Padme doesn't seem credible enough for him to do such a thing. In fact, I believe the reason Vader turned was more complex than just wanting to save Padme and Lucas failed to communicate it all as well as he might have. For example, Anakin was supposed to be raging angry about losing his mother and his failure to prevent her death despite having at least a pre-conscious idea that he was supposed to be something sensational even among jedi. This was touched upon when Anakin complained to Padme that the jedi were hiding things from him (because, justifiably, they didn't trust him), and when Padme told him he isn't all powerful and he shouted, "I should be!" In that scene, and when he slew the sand people, he was properly raging but when it came to the big moment of his formally turning to the dark side, he was broken down with anguish and confusion; and standing before the younglings, he was emotionless. None of this feels convincing. At the moment of his turning I think it would have been better if Palpatine had poured scorn on Anakin for wailing, "What have I done?" and turned the screw on his mind openly by saying something to enrage him, e.g. "What have you done? You've done what you should have done weeks ago - struck down the jedi weaklings for the apologist fools they are! You could have saved your mother if they hadn't been holding you back! You hate them! You always have! They lied to you! You knew it as well I did! I can feel the hatred inside you, boy - don't fight it, let it out! It is your strength! Nothing can oppose you if you embrace the dark side. The dark side is all powerful!" I can imagine Anakin looking amazed at Palpatine as if scales have fallen from his eyes about the jedi. We see in his eyes the rekindled memory of him slaughtering the sand people, of the rage he felt, and the power coursing through him as he lashed out, as Palpatine speaks. We'd need to see a close up of Palpatine's face to show that he is using the dark side on Anakin, clouding his mind to all the goodness within him so that he has no defence against his dark side emotions. Then we could see Anakin's face distort with emotion and then explode in a roar of anger, almost foaming at the mouth, and he shouts something like, "I see it now! You are right! I will crush them! I embrace the dark side!" At this pivotal moment when he says those last words, maybe there could be tiny sparks of electrical energy jumping from him as he turns over his command of the force to the intensity of his anger. Then I can imagine him turning to face Palpatine, his rage under control but still visibly trembling, his face a mask of grim determination, and bowing down before Palpatine. "Show me, my master." he says (in the manner of James Earl Jones) as Palpatine grins and cackles gleefully. Obviously showing his turn to the dark side this way would require a change to the one where he meets Padme (although that scene could now easily be done without her as Obi-Wan, sensing the profound change in Anakin, warns he stay back). Everything would work from this point on, and Obi-Wan walking away from a burning, screaming 'Anakin' would seem like justice for a totally lost, warped, individual; and, incidentally, it would make Obi-Wan telling Luke (in A New Hope) that Vader had killed his father seem less like 'a certain point of view' and more understandable given the transformation that Anakin had gone through in becoming the hate-filled Vader.
I knew about the Biggs Darklighter scenes and totally agreed they should've been put in, but I didn't know about Kylo Ren torturing Chewbacca, looking into his mind and seeing only love for Ben. My HEART that would've been awesome! The newer movies really did kind of screw Chewbacca over, I get he couldn't get a lot of solo screen time as he didn't speak a language we could understand but deleting that scene, totally sacrosanct.
Yeah, and it's been said many times before but Leia giving Rey a hug and not to Chewie after returning from Starkiller base?!?! He's not only Han's best buddy in the universe, but one of her oldest and best friends as well! I'd imagine Chewie was probably more like a Wookie/ second father to little Ben Solo so if they would have put that torture scene in that movie it would've killed me! That movie damn near killed me anyway!!!
I like most of the stuff that Abrams did over the years, but what he and Johnson did to these movies… They missed SO MANY opportunities. They should be tossed out of Hollywood.
The Last Jedi definitely should of been reworked as that's when the franchise started to get really worse, outside of a few good projects. Some of those deleted scenes would of made the film better than the final product, at least.
Eh, the real mistakes were probably probably handing the writing of the new series to a guy who was already famous for starting series with no interest in knowing how they end, who then handed everything over with no plan to the next guy.
Chewie was wasted in the sequel trilogy. Deleted scene of him ripping an am off at Maz Kanata's, no emotional scene with him and Leia after Han dies... IMO, it should have been Chewie who laid waste to the Knights of Ren in RoS. We should have gotten to see some "wookiee rage". Then he could be captured by Ben because he couldn't bring himself to harm Han's child, with whom I'm sure Chewie has some fond memories.
When the stormtroopers enter the rebel base on Hoth 3PO tears a sign off a door that warns not to open it b/c there were Wampas behind it. A stormtrooper opens it and a white,furry arm grabs him and pulls him inside and the door closes. Vader appears and is like “What’s up guys?” and they’re like ”Nothing boss.”
Darth Maul was killed off in episode 1(I am aware he survives, just talking before new cannon ) to show that Sideous saw his apprentices as dispensable. Small pieces to a bigger plan. His end game goal was to take Anakin as his apprentice
My favorite alternate scene is where the younlings fire up their lightsabers and the kid says, "Master Skywalker, there are too many of us. What are you going to do?"
What could have been with the sequel trilogy... I thought I knew all things Star Wars deleted scenes, but Ren v. Chewy inquisition would have been SO effective. Just another celluloid miscarriage of justice left on the cutting room floor.
To me, Star Wars is like raising a child. When the child does good or succeeds, you are happy and proud. When the child makes bad choices or screws up, you’re unhappy, but you still love your child despite those flaws.
I think it would've been great to have Anakin not "begging" per se, but after Obi Wan gives his whole long speech about him turning to the Darkside, Anakin perhaps has a moment of clarity, realizing his errors. and says "Master!" As Obi Wan looks back he looks him in the eye and says "Help Me!" with a look of sincere regret and vulnerability. Then for Obi Wan to say " I will not", he then falls back into his pit or rage! Would make his remark in the New Hope make sense too, when Anakin says "the circle is now complete! "
The only problem with the Luke and Biggs scene is it only happens a few days before the Death Star trench run, at most. That means that Biggs would have to already have joined the alliance. This is why I think Biggs squad should have been part of the theft of the Death Star plans.
Not the only problem - Biggs mentions to Luke that he knew his father (it's also in the first novel I think). As Biggs would never have been able to know Anakin, that would have become a problem with the Vader origin story later. As with several other storylines (Luke & leia not being family yet) Lucas had not developed this one yet.
@@robertvermaat8949 "Biggs mentions to Luke that he knew his father" it wasn't Biggs but commander of their squadron. Official RPG explained this - this rebel pilots was member of militia on his home planet during Clone War, and indeed fought together with Anakin for some time.
@@sirtaelellevalerie1056 Which still causes problems because the fact Anakin had (living) children was supposed to be a secret that only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Bail Organa and his wife, and Owen and Beru Lars knew. And the medical droids, but their memories could be wiped. The whole point was to make sure Palpatine and Vader never knew there were more Skywalkers out there.
@@keith6706 my theory is that this pilot simply (correctly) guessed that Luke is Anakin son. Aside same last name and piloting talent, they do look somewhat similar.
In Return of the Jedi, that deleted scene where Vader goes to see the Emperor but Jerjerrod and a couple Royal Guards block his way at the elevator. Vader starts to choke Jerjerrod and the guards are about to throw down, but Vader only stops when Jerjerrod says it's the Emperor's command and Vader doesn't wanna piss off Palps.
if the Death Star would have fired on Endor and blew it up.. the explosion of the moon would have taken the Death Star with it.. it was way too close to make such an attempt
My fav scene in Star Wars is when he kills the younglings, bc sometimes I want to do that to some of these parents kids that have never been told no or been spanked
If Lucas buys back the franchise from Disney (for $1 ?) maybe he can restore these missing scenes and clean up the catastrophe that all the various studio chiefs have wrought on Star Wars
There's this scene that starts in 2015 and goes on and off until 2019, it's about 6 hours long. Scrap that and Star Wars would have been a lot better off....
If you replaced every scene of Rise of Skywalker with the original Duel of the Fates script, it would have been not only been a better movie, but a better trilogy than what we got.
Gareth is a handsome dude. But his vocal gymnastics ruin the content. I would prefer it if he toned it down a tad. And someone should fact check the script. Luke doesn't want to be a rebel in Star Wars. He want to join the Imperial flight academy. The special edition came out in 1997 not 1977. There are a few hiccups like that in the video.
I hope they scrap ALL scenes from the "Sequel" and just let real talented SW loving people understanding the lore do another one, in a parallel timeline or any excuse, I`m not picky on this last thing
Still think that would have been anticlimactic for Phasma. I maintain that Snoke or Shreev should have possessed her after their "deaths"; we know now Christie can play a lord of evil.
I was a youngster when SW:ANH was released. I was a Star Wars fan for decades until Disney destroyed the whole thing for me. So sad - I want to love it but now I really just don't have any interest in the franchise at all. Can it be saved for people like me? Does it need to be saved? Maybe I'm just too nostalgic and my expectations need to change.
06:00 I know it's different movies... and I acknowledge that I'm just evincing sour grapes...but Captain Phasma suffered the indignity... along many other characters...of being less compelling than the lactating animals on Luke's exile planet and the captive animals on the casino planet. I hereby offer myself for deserved criticism for my pissy attitude.
I'll disagree. Cutting the part about Count Dooku was a good call-saying it would have been good due to shock value is going for shock value over logic which is often a bad decision storywise. Also disagree with on revealing who lowered the shields on Star Killer base. She did what the rebel did and why would stormtroopers believe who they already saw as a traitor.
I hate Obiwan Kenobi. That statement is going to make me a hypocrite in the Star Wars world because I use the term, "hate," but I can't help it. The character leaves a bitter taste of disappointment in my mouth. It was the worst idea any Jedi ever had to give that man a Padawan. Especially the most important Padawan. The "Jedi master's" lesson in the dangers of violent betrayal was a tough one to recover from for the young chosen one. It's ridiculous how focused Kenobi was on doing harm. Like, to everyone. During his chase of Dooku on Geonosis, when Padme falls off the ship and into the dunes below, Anakin wants to put the ship down and help her. To save her. But Kenobi is more focused on harming Dooku than on saving Padme. Later, one of the most beautiful lines of the Star Wars franchise would be spoken when Rose tells Finn, "I saved you... dummy. That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate. Saving what we love." The true power of the Force, as Yoda seems to *finally* realize after his own death, is not in doctrine, not in dogma, not in some kind of violent justice... but in the peace of love. Kenobi had no love for Anakin. He had no right to call him, "friend." You just don't do *THIS* to friends.
anakin is nothing to ben he only care for vader also that moment mean something to the character it was the reason he never fall 100% to the dark killing his own dad and relive the moment and change his action was the only way for him to forgeve himself
'count dookunis is crammed into episode two' so we calling a reveal being "crammed in" now? Do you reread your scripts before recording? Clearly not of other comments are anything to go by. The Luke and biggs scene wasn't needed and would have dragged the film on.
Obi-wan should have forced pushed Skywalker into the lava river. Sidious gets there oh shit I have no apprentice then Windu come out of nowhere and force pushes Sidious into the lava, hahahaha Episode 4 thru 9 no longer happen lol. Being I hate 7, 8, and 9. I love 4, 5, and 6.
Star Wars was never supposed to succeed. It was supposed to flop. But George and the Crew made it the surprise of 1977. Such a big surprise, that it became a cultural thing. But cultural things like "fifty two skidoo" and John Wayne disappear with time. Star Wars has become a Frankenstein's monster. Lucas should've never sold it to Disney.
A New Hope is an almost perfect film? Ooh...Imma stop you right there, and I'm really happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but I am a huge star wars nerd. I loved the prequels and Hayden before it was cool to do so, I will debate anyone and anything on all things Star Wars, A New Hope is the ONLY Star Wars movie that will make me fall asleep. Not even Disney's bullshit did that...But I could have been too busy raging and rejecting Disney's canon to fall asleep.🤷🏽♂
What is the point in this channel? As it is not all things Star Wars! The Star Trek channel gets news, reviews of the shows and the presenters have a love for all things Star Trek. This channel has Gareth Morgan who trys to hard to come off as a fan.
What the heck is wrong the with narrator's voice!? His intonation is like a roller coaster... Sounds extremely forced and silly. Barely listenable. Dude should just take it easy.
The only way you can save padme is by brutally murdering lots and lots of children, all your friends, millions of others and overthrowing the entire galaxy. Anakins downfall never made sense at all.
Yes it did lmao. Palpatine told him "Become my apprentice and do the evil shit I ask and I'll teach you to save your wife." It's pretty straightforward, actually.
Especially because in Attack of the Clones, he pretty explicitly says that he would use the dark side to to get power to stop a war. I don't recall the exact quote, cause that movie is hard to watch, but one of many reasons I say Episode 3 is the worst of all Star Wars, is how Anakin's fall is so nonsensical. It's obvious Lucas didn't pre-plan any of that story beyond "Palpatine manipulates the Jedi into a position he can kill them all and Anakin is helps because he uses the dark side of the Force." In Episode 2, when talking to Padme on Naboo, she seems truly scared of him when he says that if had power, he would use it to keep people from fighting. She replies that would end Democracy and he basically says that is a good thing. It's something like that. The dialog is so bad in the prequels though, knowing the exact quote wouldn't help.
@@staceybosteder1002 yeah, it's full of retcons of the original trilogy. The last 30 minutes is spent answering questions that no one asked, in the dumbest way possible. Who cares how Organa got the droids? But, showing that, why was Captain Antillies not promoted in 19 years? Building the second death star took 5 years, but the first death star took 19 years, despite the nearly planet sized structure (probably the most time consuming part) was built in a few days. It made Anakin's turn seem silly, made force ghosts a learned ability, made Leia's memory of her mother impossible. The timeline between trilogies being 19 years is both too long (everything is set up for episode 4 at the end of episode 3) but also too short (no one believes in the Force or Jedi but outer rim junk traders were familiar with them in Phantom Menace). Palpatine's acting throughout is as campy as the special edition Jedi Rocks sequence. Yoda fighting looks ridiculous and goes against all his teachings from Empire. The lightsaber battle on Mustafar takes 45 minutes and looks like a bad 90's video game.
the Prequels sucked and were worthless. The storylines were terrible. the acting was terrible. All of it was terrible. Lucas destroyed such a great saga. Then the new Sequels sucked too.
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