Matt Valentin I agree but, Peter Jackson wanted to give more films to this lord of the rings universe without making a movie not related to the books and tried to make fans happy
Should of made a high budget tv series, everything was slow and rushed at the same damn time. If they gave it more space to grow, we wouldn't get an underdeveloped trilogy. And Peter Jackson was running on fumes, staying up every night to keep this whole project together and going. Actors, writers, directors, and producers need to respect eachother. And lo and behold, a respectable movie/s/series
Wait, you are serious ? Uwe Boll is a golden god, I'm sure if you had the chance to get your pet projects funded by a loonies tunes government over and over and over again then sit back and watch as fanboys all over the world kill themselves and/or tear their eyes out or even piety themselves for seeing your gigantic diarrhea hurricane of a movie (just one is all it takes) I'm sure you too would tow that line. tl;dr: Get bucks to piss off people and be hated all around the world, sounds like a sweet life.
Justice Owl i agree. MoS wasn't great but it's not bad, either. The only thing I didn't like about is that Supes didn't make more of an effort to save people. The only qualm i have w/ the Hobbit trilogy is the CGI
I wanted it to A) Not be 3 films, B) Actually fucking filmed in REAL locations and not just entirely in front of a green screen. At no point during that films does the viewers mind believe there was anything that could exist in reality, basically just a giant stupid looking cartoon and C) Actually use people in COSTUMES the way LOTR did, not this 100% CGI characters bullshit. The battles of the third film was like watching a toddler taking toys and smashing them together. It looked awful. There were no redeemable moments in any of those movies. Terrible from start to finish. Fun Fact: Ian McClellen hated the films so much that he started crying on set knowing how awful the series had become when he was surrounded but nothing but green while acting in his scenes. Seriously, that happened, look it up.
Andy Benji I loved man of steel, I don't really understand the hate tbh. The action sequence combined with the beautifully composed music made this film awesome.
I enjoyed Man Of Steel. I especially loved that they avoided Kryptonite in the story... I think that people really dislike the way Superman is written. Something that causes big issues in BvS, because there is no difference in character between them. Which is completely unlike the comic BvS pulls most inspiration from (The Dark Knight Returns). There, Superman is still Superman and when you see him for the first time in the comic, he is shown with vibrant green trees behind him and blue blue sky above him, while Batman is of course shrouded in shadows...
I enjoyed Man of Steel more than Wonder Woman TBH. It was not phenomenal but it is far from a terrible movie. I swear whatculture is starting to become watchmojo
Bad script, bad director, bad character. I just don't think Green Lantern could carrry a movie on his own. As a part of the REAL Justice League, he could be interesting, but you need the line-up from the animated series (ie Jon Stewart Green Lantern). But we're left with Aquaman, Cyborg, and 50 year old Batman groaning as he stands up.
No. Many people love it. Heck there's a guy in the Collider channel that thinks that it's a master piece. Whatculture's very bias when it comes to the DCEU.
No i liked it too. Many DC fan boys hated it though, because they felt that superman was "too moody". Basically a lot of comic book fans hated it because he was "too human", they want a superman who always makes the right choice and never doubts himself (which in my opinion is boring as hell)
it's terrible when compared to the "best of the best" of superhero movies, but overall I would agree it wasn't terrible, especially when you compare it to BvS which had some cool scenes... and music... but dropped all the balls
To be honest, I think it was the best movie you can make out of a character like Superman. Or at least the best kind of movie they made out of that character so far. Sure, there are many superhero movies out there that are better, but MoS is still definitely one of the better ones IMO.
Oh c'mon man, it's the closest Superman has gotten to a realistic take on the hero. The only problems with the movie are a few personal directing choices Zack Snyder made that have nothing to do with the story, but that doesn't detract from the beauty of it by a long shot, just ask John Campea for a more detailed description 😉
I always thought Man of Steel was more polarizing than it was terrible. People either loved it or hated it, but there were plenty of people who loved it.
Wait ... huh? First you say you only hear negative comments about it ... but then you say nobody can refute you when you break the movie down and explain how it's so much better? Those two sentences are literally opposites! Either that ... or I grossly misunderstood what you were trying to say, and therefore, maybe the problem lies in your written communication skills.
dstebbin people complain. He argues about the film with them. They have little basis for their arguments. Doesn't mean they haven't still complained. Therefore no issue with his communication skills. Tried to break what I'm saying down for you so you'll understand xx
When it comes to Prometheus the problem wasn't the engineers, or the idea of the crew looking for the origin of life (so basically the foundation of the original script), but with the plotholes, inconsistencies and a general lack of closure/answers to the questions the movie posed. script writer doesn't come up with the general plot outline either - he is hired to write what the director and producers want him to do, so putting the blame for engineers and the core plot writer's isn't really fair. Personally i think Lindelof and Scott share the blame for it - Lindelof put all the mysteries with no answers in, and Scott cut out crucial scenes for the sake of better pacing, creating said plotholes and inconsistencies (it was still better than covenant though).
Lord Demos When your competition is Superman Returns and a bunch of dated, campy Christopher Reeves films from the 80s being "The best" isn't exactly something to write home about.
Kevin Smith has pointed out that the man in charge of a lot of DC's efforts at the big screen is Jon Peters, who really didn't seem to understand Superman very much when they had meetings in the 90s. As for Movie 43, I think that a bunch of stars were just trying to get out of contracts and decided to collectively make a horrible movie together.
I can't agree with you here. Prometheus, Alien: Resurrection, X-Men: The Last Stand and Man of Steel are nowhere near terrible films. They all had flaws and mistakes but again, they are watchable and even entertaining
The Last Stand did start getting a little ridiculous and over the top towards the end. There were far easier ways to get to Alcatraz, and you damn well know it, Magneto.
irina1296 last stand was bloody great and man of steel was way better than superman returns, to be honest i dont agree with any film on this list all are watchable.
Really the only Hobbit movie I have a major issue with is the last one. I adore the first one and the second isn't far off. Everything is off about the last however. Just don't think the whole trilogy deserves all the hate it gets.
True. I thought the first was ok and the second was very good (except for the idiotic cliffhanger ending), but the third movie just suuuucked. That was one of the most disappointing theater experiences I've ever had.
In regards of the Hobbit: You're missing something: 1) PJ only took charge of the Hobbit Filming after it became clear that, without a director, they could not hire any actors nor get much of the preparations done 2) The whole filming had been on a rather... tight.. schedule with them, partly thanks to the whole Actors Strike, Del Toro leaving, no new Director had been found etc. So they had been basically running behind the schedule for a nice amount of time 3) LotR had, I think, months to years for Preparations... the Hobbit iirc had far less time combined for preparations and shooting than LotR 4) MGMs financial troubles
Man of Steel was a GREAT movie! Is it some kind of conspiracy that so many people bash it!? I thought the Dark Knight Rises was one of the WORST movies of the decade...and people act like it was the second coming of Christ. What gives?
Amey Singh it was ok boring. I liked the plot I liked that they ended it with a moral dilemma but mostly it was boring Lois was generic strong female Jimmy Olson was not in it superman was not human enough. They should have showed a scene where he is watched wrestling with kryptonite-man and he thinks the underpants outside the pants are funny so that's why he makes his costume its not alien that's dumb. Superman is such a simple character to write so down to earth and yet people keep fucking it up
+Daragh O'kane Lois was generic? WHAT? Most generic females are getting saved all the time and screaming for their lives all the time, Lois in the DCEU hasn't.
maxdrags3 superman is getting saved all the time and asking for help all the time. In every superman comic I have read he had a problem he didn't know what to do so he asked his parents for advice or Lois or Lex in the first superman movie he was drowning and asked a woman gasp for help. What's wrong with screaming when you're in danger that's a good thing I freze up and can't scream.
I thought it was Joel Schummachers fault for Batman & Robin, I recall him saying he wanted to make it very camp like in the 60's TV show and directing people by starting off a shoot like "Ok we're making a cartoon here."
It was bloated to stretch things out to three movies please it looks more like an uncanny cartoon at times because they steered away from the practical effects that make the original trilogy so great. Plus they turned what was a light hearted children's book into the LotR. I know that the Hobbit is technically a prequel to the LotR but the two are very different in tone and plot structure.
The responses to Man Of Steel did not vary from "meh to Oh my God why?". First, On rotten tomatoes it's at 55% with the critics. That's above average, which is good. Second, it's t 75% with the audience, which should matter a lot more to most people, since most people aren't critics. Third, Man of Steel, even at 75% , is an underappreciated masterpiece.
Also, The Hobbit Trilogy is fantastic, and far from terrible. I guess it's seen as bad since it's, understandably, compared to The Lord Of The Rings, which is the greatest trilogy of all time.
They keep complaining that MoS is humorless and dark..... Well what can I say!!!?? Life ain't always about sunshine and rainbows.....There will be dark days ahead. Even my 12 year old brother understood that.
No, I think the rest of us that hate MoS feel like there's already an overabundance of pretentious, shallow, emo bullshit coming out of Hollywood and, if that's the direction that wanted to go with Superman, believe they needed to execute better than simply pandering to the lowest common denominator of people who automatically equate dark, no matter how mind-numbingly moronic the actual script is, with great cinema.
Crunchy Pasta That's exactly what I loved about the film! Life can be so awful sometimes and I'm glad that they didn't shy away from that. This is coming from a life long Superman fan. It felt so much more real to me. That final battle reminded me so much of 9/11. Not trying to be insensitive, it's just that those details speak to me more. It's stuck with me all this time because of that. I deeply appreciate the fact that they did their own thing with the tone. No disrespect to Marvel (love them too), but even though the jokes and smart remarks make me laugh, they really break the immersion for me sometimes. I only realized that when I watched MOS for the first time. I also loved Henry Cavil's interpretation of Superman. I know he wasn't as upbeat and openly optimistic as we're used to, but I think it's part of his growth as a character. I think he's facing this darkness so he can eventually become that hero we're all familiar with. In my opinion it wasn't just an excellent film, it was a refreshingly different one too. I seriously hope they don't start playing it too safe. I believe that it's important to keep taking risks when you're being creative.
I literally burst out laughing out loud when Will Smith's son was pointed out to be untalented. I dislike Jaden so much it's almost comical, I'm glad I'm not the only one unimpressed.
As a nerd, who doesnt play for team DC, and has a personal hatred for Superman, I am still dumbfounded on why so many nerds, not people, but nerds, hate Man of Steel. It has by far, been the best representation of that character ever on the big screen. When I think about a live action Superman movie, the first thing that pops into my head as a fan, is, destruction, complete, and utter, destruction. And we got that with Man of Steel. It wasnt super bent on an origin story, thank you! It wasnt all about some end of the world plan, thank you, it was about Supermans personal afflictions with himself, and destruction of fucking Chicago, I mean Metropolis. I dont care for the fuckwads who find something wrong with everything and cant be grateful to have anything to criticize to begin with, but there are far too many nerds who hate that movie and honestly, their not film buffs, just people with voices and over expectations. Say what you want, but Logan, Wonder Woman, and Man of Steel are the best movies DC has ever put out, and it took them a decade longer than Marvel, sit down Batman fans, your characters are like the ages they were born in, aged.
Meme Iselfaneye Superman's humanity wasn't learned. He didn't have to learn it. He was "human" long before he discovered where he was really from, choosing to use his abilities to help others when he was still in grade school and his mother saved him. His conflict was trying to follow the example, set by his mother, when using his abilities to so much as change a tire could put his family and friends in danger. It was never about his humanity. He is plenty human, even if he is from another planet.
You can't let Snyder and Schumacher off the hook. Especially Schumacher. As bad as the Batman and Robin script was, the worst elements of that movie were all stylistic and should be laid at the feet of Joel Schumacher, who should never direct a film with a bigger budget than $30 million again.
What I hate is when a film gets crucified in the media and by the film goers, yet is still well-acted, the lead actor tends to get the blame for it flopping or not doing as well as it was expected to.
DC has a legitimate 50% success ratio so far imo. Man of Steel and Wonder Woman good, BvS and Suicide Squad not so good. Not the greatest track record to get started, but far from the abysmal series that some people make it out to be.
I am so god damn sick of the hate Spider-Man 3 gets. Is it flawed? Sure, but it is FAR from the worst thing ever. In fact, I think it's the second best movie of the trilogy. Seriously go back and watch the incredible action and amazing emotion the entire movie is full of. The "emo dancing" makes up like 10% of the movie.
Actually Joss Whedon's script for Alien: Resurrection was so radically changed and rewritten, that the only thing that survived from his original script were two lines. Nothing else in that movie can be contributed to him.
Finally someone that sees that David S. Goyer shouldn't be writing Superman scripts. He only writes three character types. Batman, Joker, and ineffectual male supporting character.
Man of Steel and BVS are masterpieces. Wonder Woman is slightly overrated due to it's one dimensional villain and solid but unspectacular finale but is nonetheless an outstanding movie. Fuck Suicide Squad though. I like a bunch of stuff in it but as a whole it's a mess.
TRITON K175 Agreed! #InSnyderWeTrust And Justice League is shaping up to be the perfect conclusion of Zack's epic trilogy; Joss Whedon polishing the film only better enhances it. C'mon, November! 🤗
TRITON K175 Batman vs superman was the most boring film I have ever watched superman is one of my favourite heroes and yet I watched him die and my only thought was good so it's nearly over but no it dragged on longer. I think solitary confinement would be more fun than watching that shit again
Prometheus, underappreciated sci-fi genius. It's real fault is that it's linked to Alien. It was Lucas' fault that they ditched scripts from certified badasses like Frank Darabont and settled on that crap that we got. Man of Steel, better than Wonder Woman ANY FUCKING DAY. The last two Hobbit films were sheer badassness. The first one would of been fine if they cut that son of bitch down by about a damn hour.
Man of Steel is the best DC movie to date... OK that's not saying much. Man of Steel is the best Superman movie yet... strike two. Man of Steel is actually very good in my opinion and I don't understand all the criticism.
I have always liked Man of Steel as well. I have to say though that Wonder Woman is an awesome movie with only one downside and that is the final villain.
Zack Snyder is at fault for Man of Steel and Batman Vs Superman. He's not a good director. He gets things right from time to time but then again so does a broken clock.
Isn't the director responsible for everything that happens? When a kid that is 5 years old robs a liquor store, we immediately say that it's her parent's fault and that is true. When a company messes up, we immediately say that the boss or higher up person screwed up because he is responsible for that and that is true. He has the oversight and responsibility for things, and he had to see what went wrong.
Idk WTF WhatCulture is talking about anymore. The Hobbit series was good but should've been 2 movies, not 3. Man of Steel was a good movie and showed a side of Super-Man that had only been in the comics and not the big screen.
What is up with every critic hating Man of Steel? It was in no way a bad film. It was basically the only good film in the DC Universe until Wonder Woman came along, but every critic says that Wonder Woman is the only good one so far.
+Joker Top 10 lists are opinion-based. If they weren't, every Top 10 list ever made for any subject would be completely identical with no variation in number placement. Instead every channel that does a Top 10 list for the same subject will have different things on their list and a different order for the ones that do have a few of the same things
Joker I know right? I unsubscribed a few weeks ago- but this video popped up in my suggested videos. I thought I'd give it a shot; and sure enough they're talking out of their collective asses.
Fox was right to demand Weaver's return as Ripley. The series is Ripley's story as a figure of guiding practical reason, she's integral to its themes, and there has never been, and likely never will be, a good movie in it without her. Weaver's physical acting mimicking the creature was the movie's best part.
I actually really enjoyed Man of Steel... In my opinion it's the best movie adaptation of the Superman origin story. Unfortunately everything else that followed in the DCEU was more "Meh".
LilBiT InSaNe I personally never saw Man of Steel. I hear it's much better than the abomination that is films such as Suicide Squad. DCEU's future has really sounded troublesome with the recent news for numerous upcoming projects. Here's hoping they can turn it around and making something on par with Wonder Woman in terms of quality
Some of Prometheus' problems and plot issues were actually Scott's and the Fox Studio Executives' faults. For instance Scott made the stupid decision to have the characters remove their helmets which Lindelof argued against and the Executives forced Scott to downplay the Xenomorph connections and later forced him to put the Xenomorphs into Alien Covenant back when it was called Paradise.
...I liked Spider-Man 3. Even if it is bad it still is better than TASM2 which is just AWFUL. And you know who was responsible for that? SONY AND AMY PASCAL (I don't think Mark Webb had any creative control at all in that film)
The Hobbit was a 300 page book. The LOTR were three books that were 350-400 each. The Hobbit should have been one move, not two and certainly not three. The decision to stretch it into three moves was the root of the problem.
Most of these comments are complaining about MoS being on this list, and I'm kind of just staring at them, because I for one really don't like that movie
the crystal skull thing is amazing to me. but maybe i am too old at 33 to think that an executive producer who has never written a story in a franchise or directed a film in it probably didn't have anything to do with it's fails.
I didn't even know After Earth was a Night Shyamalan film. You can blame him for The Happening and Lady in the Water, but as far as I know, After Earth was such an obvious vanity project for the Smiths, that nobody I know ever blamed anybody else.
People who think The Hobbit could work as one film really need to stop and think what that includes... So you have the whole first chunk of the film with the prologue explaining Erebor and Dale and of Bilbo meeting Gandalf and the dwarves and deciding to go with them, *AND THEN* they have to do AT LEAST these scenes: the three trolls, Rivendell, goblin town, finding the ring and riddles in the dark, the eagles, meeting Beorn, getting lost in the woods, the spiders, meeting the elves, escaping the elves, going to Laketown and meeting Bard, going to Erebor and finding the secret door, conversation with Smaug, Smaug going to burn laketown, Smaug being killed, Thorin going mad, and oh yeah the whole damn battle of the five armies (for which to work you need scenes explaining where all the orcs came from and build tensions between the factions so it doesn't come out of nowhere), then you need the whole big moment where Thorin dies and the lesson about greed and his funeral, then a few final scenes to finish the film. And those are just the must-have scenes, there's also stuff like the whole bit with the rock giants or the occasional song from the book. In The Hobbit each chapter has a new adventure which in the film means a new setpiece, so while three films were probably too much, you're dreaming if you think you can cram all of that into one film that flows normally and has a decent structure. Guillermo says two, if you think you know more than Del Toro about fantasy and film, well...
Even if Venom and dancing weren't Raimi's idea, people blame him because he didn't give a shit. He didn't like the Venom character, so he didn't bother making it interesting.
I know other people have already said it, but my issue with Prometheus wasn't the engineers or the plot in general, it was that they removed all the Alien details. So in my opinion, Lindelof is exactly who should be blamed.
Finally, a video that addresses the real blame for the failure of Alien: Resurrection. Joss Whedon who wrote that terrible comedy is the one to blame for the film's ridiculous tone.
I still blame Lindelof for his part in ruining what could have been a worthy Alien prequel. However, what a lot of fans of Alien, myself included, tend to forget is that Ridley Scott did not write the original Alien movie. Dan O'Bannon wrote it. We were all blinded with the excitement of the original director making Prometheus that we failed to realize that he was directing a movie based on someone else's script. So while the original Alien movie was amazing and Scott did a fantastic job directing it, he wasn't the one who wrote the movie. Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof deserve equal credit in ruining what looked like a promising movie.
The problem with The Hobbit wasn't that it wasn't a good series of movies. It was that it wasn't The Hobbit. The book The Hobbit was a vastly different style than The Lord of the Rings trilogy. The Hobbit was more lighthearted, almost a children's story. The Lord of the Rings was a darker, more adult series. The Lord of the Rings films reflected that and it worked well for the films. The decision to integrate The Hobbit movie into The Lord of the Rings films caused the flow of the story to be lost and confusing and definitely less lighthearted than the book. I enjoyed the films as part of The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, but as The Hobbit, not so much.
Steven Spielberg initially didn't want to do a 4th Indiana Jones, and for years he begged George Lucas not to make it about aliens. Eventually George wore him down, and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull happened. So while Steven did take part in the project, it is still primarily George's fault.
"Man of Steel (2013 ) " ?? ! ? . . . Are you even serious , right now ? ?! How in the hell , do you feel that it was "terrible " ?! ? It is (and might always be ) , the best Superman (Live - action , for sure ) , movie , of all time . And , also , Henry Cavill , and Zack Snydee , and Amy Adams , etc . etc . are all super - awesome (and , always would be ) . . . . Don't try to fool yourselves , Whatculture ! ! !
As a superman movie man of steel was quite good.But superman not giving a single shit about the destruction he caused was one of the reasons I thought that people hated man of steel.
I hear what you're saying but they are called 'The Director' for a reason, and they are supposed to be in charge of the film, like 'directing it' and all that...? If they inherit a script and cast they don't like, they should pass on it instead of taking it on but they don't because of the dollar-signs... The buck should rest with them.
Mathew Vaughn is in no way to blame for The Last Stand, because even though he had a hand at making the story, he wasnt the one to finish making it and direct it. Also, there was no problem with the casting of Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut - the problem is the way he was directed to act in the movie. While Ratner is not the only one to blame for the movie (the studio was at fault too), he did direct it, and it was done poorly.
