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100 Development in 100 Years with 'Industrious' Exploit - Crusader Kings 3: Royal Court [Outdated] 

Hovelax
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Note: This exploit does not work as well in the updated 1.5.1 build - you can still it do it every year however - so its far.. FAR... slower.
When I was playing an early copy of CK3 I noticed how Industrious was pretty strong because I liked the high dev tall playthroughs - however - it wasnt until a week after launch it dawned on my just how broken this tradition is. You can exploit Czech culture with all its bonuses so much that by the 1100 starting date you will have surpassed every other culture in the game BY FAR.
Its bittersweet making a video like this because on one hand when you find something like this you want to show it like YO look at this. On the otherhand im like - do I really want the devs to patch this? Regardless, were here, and i figured they would cotton on eventually. Ridiculous tradition - i love it.

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@Hovelax
@Hovelax 2 года назад
Note: This exploit does not work as well in the updated 1.5.1 build - you can still it do it every year however - so its far.. FAR... slower.
@Czesnek
@Czesnek 2 года назад
sad
@bloodyshade96
@bloodyshade96 2 года назад
If you do a Norse playthrough you can Elevate the Kingdom of Mann and the Isles, potentially a 1 county kingdom if you choose to not take the optional duchies between Ireland and Scotland, diverge your culture, get a +20 flat development, and a 100 year capital buff that give you -200% construction time and -50% gold cost, on top of having an 8 building slot capital.
@TfuckyoutubeC
@TfuckyoutubeC 2 года назад
this^. my strat before the dlc was go to normandy, make normans, take isle of mann, convert it to norman, heir is norse, make isle of mann the capital, raid until mann is up to dev 15 through raiding for slaves events, heir converts all of normandy to norse when i become him, then by abour year 910-920ish you're sitting on a 35+ dev single county culture of norman. it was insanely op.
@tuskular
@tuskular 2 года назад
true but its much harder to get it now since living legend takes twice as much prestiege to get.
@nathan3859
@nathan3859 2 года назад
@@TfuckyoutubeC used to do the same but don't like the culture benefits of Norman.
@donkarnage6986
@donkarnage6986 2 года назад
@@nathan3859 then change the culture benfits ;)
@donkarnage6986
@donkarnage6986 2 года назад
thats 2 easy ;)
@MaskofPoesy
@MaskofPoesy 2 года назад
So far the devs haven't been patching out exploits with the same zeal as EU4, so I hope they just make it so that replacing building types doesn't give development. Quite fun as is too.
@TheLeaderofNoone
@TheLeaderofNoone 2 года назад
This is another level of dedication
@SparrowNoire
@SparrowNoire 2 года назад
You could very easily replicate this strat in Sardinia, since they ALSO have a good special Mine building
@Phoenix-ik7bm
@Phoenix-ik7bm 2 года назад
I remeber seeing that tradition and saying to myself; there is no way replacing buildings would work to increas dev, no way peradox didn't bug test that. Now I see I was wrong, that is rediculous.
@TfuckyoutubeC
@TfuckyoutubeC 2 года назад
i think it's intentional, would be pretty underwhelming if you only got 2 free dev per era per castle
@Walesball1214
@Walesball1214 2 года назад
its prob not a bug its an exploit its 'intended'
@AlexS-oj8qf
@AlexS-oj8qf 4 месяца назад
Come to think of it, Prague is very centrally located. Imagine what HRE could be if the Emperor resides there and project his power north south east west 😮
@maddahy
@maddahy 2 года назад
The problem is that without this exploit that tradition is underwhelming. I think it should be rebalanced in the sense of giving more per building, but then to not give anything more at replacement.
@backstabber3537
@backstabber3537 2 года назад
Nah it's quite decent u also get development upgrading buildings and if u also develop it with the steward its become op later on the point is to not make it game breaking
@fireduckz3765
@fireduckz3765 2 года назад
Assume you start in a 7 barony province, (let's take Madurai as an example) , each barony has 3 building slot and the county capital has an extra (22 building slot), normally a building can be upgraded twice each era so that 44 upgrades you can do, + the 7 of the holding which means each era there will be 51 possible upgrades, that 12.75 levels of development. So I would say decent in big counties (but underwhelming in small counties)
@maddahy
@maddahy 2 года назад
@@fireduckz3765 12.75 dev over 500 years is nothing. The importance of development resides in a comparison relative to your other provinces or to AI. You have waves of investment paired with techs in which you'd jump some 2 dev or so. Basically the maximal output you get with buildings brought to lvl2, where you get an increase of some 1% taxes and a couple of % fascination increase speed. Afterwards is a diminishing return, whereas something like ++++ knights effectiveness (is a tradition which gives +100% iirc) or children more likely to accept take vows (Monastic communities) are either significantly important for most of game either increasingly important. If significant development is your goal look at something like Collective lands+Republican legacy+City keepers+bonus to respective terrain (if is not plains, which is overlooked for some reason)+eventually coastal bonuses (Maritime/Seafaring). these giving permanent growth, not some jumps here and there.
@JustAPintOfMilk
@JustAPintOfMilk 2 года назад
if you play tall,this is absolutely insane. But you have to build up your villages and churches aswell.
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
greece and spain is fairly built out but on low dev it seems decent. first replacement should give but future ones shouldn't.
@MCPaddyB
@MCPaddyB Год назад
Just wanted to leave a comment in 2023 to pay credit to you for putting OUTDATED in the title. Respect.
@Ariastes707
@Ariastes707 2 года назад
The amount seems fine. What they need is a hard code limit that it only applies to the first of each building type built in a holding so you can't do that exploit.
@andrewgreeb916
@andrewgreeb916 2 года назад
I'd argue it needs reimagining, since it's unimpressive without exploiting it
@someguycalledcerberus9805
@someguycalledcerberus9805 2 года назад
"we reached an unfortunate situation just as I turned 17" Dude, same.
@aleksandarmanojlovic4988
@aleksandarmanojlovic4988 2 года назад
Well i wonder how does one make this tradition not thinking about this exploit
@TheKillaShow
@TheKillaShow 2 года назад
Maybe they had more faith in their audience. This is a cute exploit. But I don’t play CK3 to get 100 development ASAP.
@bjarny1992
@bjarny1992 2 года назад
Yeah tall Bohemia is fun! But can we talk about a 104y character?!
@123Dunebuggy
@123Dunebuggy 2 года назад
He is a madman ..a madman !! 😄
@andrewreynolds4949
@andrewreynolds4949 2 года назад
A reasonable way to nerf this is to give less or no development increase when replacing buildings
@fireduckz3765
@fireduckz3765 2 года назад
I mean it makes no sense that you get development by replacing buidings tbh
@elbalerto
@elbalerto 2 года назад
nice idea, but then the tradition kinda sucks without the exploit. how about slapping a popular opinion/control/tax/levy penalty for replacing buildings? then you buff the tradition: t1 buildings add 25 dev, t2 buildings add 50 dev, t3 buildings add 75 dev, t4 adds 100 dev and so on and so forth.
@barryfraser831
@barryfraser831 2 года назад
@@elbalerto Then that hurts everyone that doesn't have the culture when they replace buildings.
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
@@elbalerto when you go feudal the base ones convert to random so 1 replacement is understandable but repeating it not. it wouldn't be good in advanced parts of the world like greece or spain, as they got all churches and cities already I think (sevilla doesn't, not sure whats empty in greece). but you can replace the traditions once you built all out so I don't think it's bad (the stress gain is noticeable tho if you aren't czech, as they got that 'life is a joke' that counters it but others dont). I think 10-15 development is good enough, some places go crazy once you hit 15. like the kingdom of Hungary. The western part, Transylvania is mostly hills and forests and starts on 3-5 development and only goes up after the migration, the decision supposed to give 1 development for all under 5 but by the time you do it they are 4-5. There is Temes duchy where a city spawns kind of early, and the vassals on stewardship might buff it up (3-4 duchies are quite big but Hungary is biggest kingdom in the game so you got like 9-10 duchies). anyway when I played it, I didn't focus on pushing development, and they surpassed me in a lifetime going from 10 to 17 development with a single steward, so yeah, it only late until you got a decent steward and 10+ dev. And since the de jure empires got the border there, anything past Poland, Hungary and Croatia is starting tribal and their religions can survive if you play it right, so it makes sense taking this pillar.
@dwindebabk
@dwindebabk 2 года назад
Well on the bright side they've definetely ensured the ability to win a game playing tall I guess lol
@TheElMuffin
@TheElMuffin 2 года назад
Not nearly the same, but taking "Varangian capital" decision in Kiev gives a passive boost to development. I plopped my steward there to develop and left him there. Mid 11 century I switched him to Novgorod, because I was still tribal. By 1100 I had feudalized and Kiev had 48 development, well ahead of both Rome, Constantinople, and Cordoba in their low 40s, and Novgorod with 14. I was raiding all over the world for generations since 866 start, and raiding with 20000-30000 troops hits different, I was bringing thousands at a time every few years and the slaves I brought helped with the development as well. Once I feudalized, I must have put 20-30k into building up all my counties to speed up development. Then the Royal Court hit, and now I'm replaying the same custom character in Kingdom of Mann. Good times.
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
you can research all before 1000. if you want to still raid then do human sacrifice, it allows raids in feudal for captives, 5 or 10 guaranteed when you win plus the ones you took (sadly doesn't say who is marked for sacrifice and gives negative opinion if you don't kill those 5). you can do Magyar culture by moving capital to Odessa (holy site, first take the capital decision) or any of 4 counties then make vassals accept local traditions (norse vassals insta convert). Then you can get 3 holy sites in Budapest (esztergom), Pozsony (Bratislava), Odessa, Kerch(Krimea), the fifth is far in Khazaria. But there are cities in Kerch and Chilia too so good to own the edge of Black sea, Slovakia also has a gold mine not just the holy site. Kind of has to be custom empire tho. Russia takes too long and Khazaria is a bunch of low quality land with lots of disputes but you can take Carphatia/Hungary and if you prefer catholic, you can go Krstjani (holy sites in croatia/bosnia and also Budapest but the other county ). Also you can take another decisions to go Hungarian (not sure on pillars now) and get some small boost and custom innovations (gives 2 random but if you got all normal ones you get special ones). You need a catholic faith for that but you can go back to Táltosism too. I gotta play it again :)
@kekero540
@kekero540 2 года назад
Bohemia in CK3 is my favorite place on the map because everything about it is Jank and OP
@Czesnek
@Czesnek 2 года назад
Bohemia is a very good start for new players. It is very flexible and stable realm
@Jigachader
@Jigachader 2 года назад
as a czech person i disagree, we are not broken, thats just how good we are, get over it btw your pronounciation of Kutná hora is really good except when a letter has a line above it (a - á) its prolonged so you read it kinde like kutnaaa hora
@Mmm230496
@Mmm230496 11 месяцев назад
I laughed soo hard with your hi, don't know why but take my like
@guappodiablo1
@guappodiablo1 2 года назад
Sardinia has a gold mine, if your intersted in the island strat.
@0MVR_0
@0MVR_0 2 года назад
Prague has entered the Medieval era, after discovering modern medicine.
@Reece_Hart
@Reece_Hart 2 года назад
Think of what you could do in Mali where they have the 3 gold mines
@TheFlyingV
@TheFlyingV 2 года назад
Mali is so broken. Was playing wide and by the end I had so much money I was just building temples anywhere I could because what's the different between 20k and 30k gold when I'd rather see my non-Abrahamic religion have fervor out the ass.
@robjohnson3095
@robjohnson3095 2 года назад
Oh my... if you combine this with the 1066 Pagan kingdom start, where you can get temple cost and construction down to 10% cost/speed... Well, you'll be so busy giggling at the result you'll totally forget to go to war for anything.
@NicolasPine
@NicolasPine 2 года назад
I can confirm that you pronounced Kutná Hora perfectly! Congrats!
@Dmitrisnikioff
@Dmitrisnikioff 2 года назад
I'M gonna try this as Dyre the Stranger, Varangian Conquest Bohemia, then go for Mali and the gold mines
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
you want to stay in kiev with dyre. you could go someone else and take a city in north sea, form the jomsvikings then move around.
@Dmitrisnikioff
@Dmitrisnikioff 2 года назад
@@laszlobandi6456 Nah, went for the Kingdom of Mann because of the "Stolen City" modifier which is 50% build cost and a whopping 200% Build Time reduction Also took Sardinia but slammed into not being ready to handle all the cash my Varangians now cost
@pregnanteallen535
@pregnanteallen535 2 года назад
just nerf the part where u can swap out a bbuidling and still get the development???
@viclorenzo5016
@viclorenzo5016 2 года назад
Epic content
@loudradialem5233
@loudradialem5233 2 года назад
To nerf this Tradition, the best method is to not get Development from replacing buildings.
@Czesnek
@Czesnek 2 года назад
They should rework this. You get development for every holding upgrade
@MegaElladan
@MegaElladan 2 года назад
The bigger question is why your charakter gets more than 100 years?
@TheFlyingV
@TheFlyingV 2 года назад
I assume some save scumming but nothing further really needed. That character was built to not die.
@Czesnek
@Czesnek 2 года назад
He has Fecund, Herculian, Whole of Body and Temperate. These bonuses gives you very massive boost to your health. You can also give him Stubborn trait to counter any health negative traits
@tastefullynerdy1161
@tastefullynerdy1161 2 года назад
So would this work with any Culture as long as you get Industrious in it? This would be pretty swell for my Norwegian Empire....
@rellsw02
@rellsw02 2 года назад
I don't agree that it should be nurfed, because you don't have to do the exploit. It's there if you want though
@PS-G1
@PS-G1 2 года назад
yeah i knew that perk was kinda sus
@xD3nnis
@xD3nnis 2 года назад
Was fixed in todays patch :/
@mehmetefevural5266
@mehmetefevural5266 2 года назад
I was download manage holding mod and ı get 142 gold per day as crete and cyprus steward is insane
@Spartan322
@Spartan322 2 года назад
I don't really see why replacing buildings should get you development, if that was removed you'd have an limit on how much development can be added through the building system, the rest would need to be growth based, which is as intended.
@mabonagrininogi3303
@mabonagrininogi3303 2 года назад
Thats not optimized at all ;) I will do you one better. If you build a City there is a building that gives you +5% dev growth per level. You can stack that pretty easy. Also the court task of increasing devellopment additionally to passiv growth gives you a construction time Reduktion. If you just build the mentioned City buildings in the sourrounding provinces the trickle down Form your capital increases massivly. Having all tzech provinces at 100 dev is pretty easy doing that.
@IceNinja18
@IceNinja18 2 года назад
There's also a tradition that boosts the dev cities give. Combine this with coastal cities and you can get 50% dev increase just from your coastal cities alone.
@teeboteebaggins7893
@teeboteebaggins7893 2 года назад
Igor and Grichka? Dare I say, based?
@badheadlolol
@badheadlolol 2 года назад
U dont need 2 duchies for bohemia its just a visual bug
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
they messed up some stuff with the update, like dynasty of many crowns doesn't say it needs 10 but it won't work, or the univercities.
@entire9694
@entire9694 2 года назад
Next time you wanna do this only build city's and get yourself the dev boost from culture.
@kiko.j5
@kiko.j5 2 года назад
I accidentally did that exploit last game lol
@TheFlyingV
@TheFlyingV 2 года назад
I think the bigger news here is: the game lets you recover from gout?!?
@Lowdian
@Lowdian 2 года назад
I was thinking the same, since when can you recover from gout?
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
@@Lowdian I had smallpox. I lost it, said the message. it was weird I still had spots, then I realized I lost smallpox and got great pox. I lost it by hiring a miracle woman. but not before my husband got it. then I tried to divorce and I got it again. then we both lost it again :) btw there are some court interactions that make you gout ridden, mainly upgrading to 5 star food, you don't really need 5 star for lvl 10 grandeur, just the lodgings and the fashion, the rest is fine on 4 star.
@Walesball1214
@Walesball1214 2 года назад
OPM madura is more powerfull in the time it will have less dev but huge amount of money and tech where in 50~ yrs completed eraly medievel
@jung9399
@jung9399 2 года назад
How did you live so long
@exodoalcunhaabridordemares
@exodoalcunhaabridordemares 2 года назад
Is this worth it? Will the development gain give me back the gold spent?
@martinaustin6230
@martinaustin6230 2 года назад
At 100 development you get 50% more taxes and levies. Higher development also allows you to go through your innovations much faster.
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
@@martinaustin6230 it also trickles down to surrounding counties slowly. the ones on the side were already like 10-12 dev, I'm sure they would hit 30 by the time he jumps the eras and unlocks the next levels. even the ones 2 away from prague, which were outside Bohemia were a bit more yellow than others. Best example is Capua, it's between Rome and Napoli and it is higher than both by the end, without ever being a capital or being pushed.
@theral056
@theral056 2 года назад
I think they probably should buff it, gain .5 full development per building, but cap it to something like max 25 total development per county (keep track how much this tradition contributed). Reducing its effectiveness will just make it worse for people that don't exploit, and it really ain't broken if you play normally. So just cap the effect. Still powerful if you exploit, to get 25 dev on top, but puts you near the leading counties of the world at that time, not 3-4 times that.
@cuff1626
@cuff1626 2 года назад
Hi!
@FatheredPuma81
@FatheredPuma81 2 года назад
I'd suggest not making a video when everyone is trying to sleep.
@razzaus1570
@razzaus1570 11 месяцев назад
I love how 0 year olds look like 2 year olds.😂
@katsu6624
@katsu6624 2 года назад
How did you live 104 years old ???
@0MVR_0
@0MVR_0 2 года назад
Choose traits that buff health, retain excellently talented physicians, explore the entire scholarly health skill tree, select experimental treatments for cancers and gout.
@sauronmordor7494
@sauronmordor7494 2 года назад
;p
@Mr_Socksnjocks
@Mr_Socksnjocks 2 года назад
Do do, Czech Slovak fun game play court royal fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn
@patrikkalus5567
@patrikkalus5567 2 года назад
Czech culture also have special cultural technology that allows you to get house seniority succession law from early game.
@molybdaen11
@molybdaen11 2 года назад
Jeah but do you want to change your character every 20 min? I prefer to wage war against my siblings for 3 generations.
@juke9674
@juke9674 2 года назад
...in addition to an insane gold mine special building!
@IceNinja18
@IceNinja18 2 года назад
@@molybdaen11 All you have to do is combine the seniority succession and the tier 4 feudal authority or whatever it's called. Then, just designate whoever you want as your heir and win.
@molybdaen11
@molybdaen11 2 года назад
@@IceNinja18 That works together? Never tested it. Usually the game screws me over with a undesirable heir anyway.
@MatthewZzzz0
@MatthewZzzz0 2 года назад
if dyre "the stranger" could mix in industrious that would be some ridiculous dev with his found kiev dev growth for 100 yrs
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
I did 31-32 in 5-6 counties by 950 without any of this. but you probably want to take another culture like russian or magyar. the rest wasn't too imrpessive, starts on 2 pillars and some weird ones, maybe 'mari' was okay. technically you can add up to 6 pillars, or merge, spread it a bit then diverge and add another. One time I tried to do both the conversion to magyar and steal their migration but it's really not optimal :) it's worth diverging with a capital like kiev, and it's better to diverge after the research for adding/replacing a pillar is done, since it puts you on 50 year cooldown. there is an exploit for tribal religions with divorce always allowed (or even if it has to be approved). you can divorce and marry over and over and choose the prestige gain. easy 600 to 1200 prestige each time so you can buy any of the pillars. they are cheaper in the right combo, I think bureocratic it's 6000-6500 prestige to take industrious. russian has druzina which is an armored footman but the other pillars kind of weak. magyar has horse holders and horse archers (also I think armored horse is earlier), quite decent except the tribal diplomacy pillar, which is okay with matriarch diplo rulers for extra levies but it's -5 opinion for feudal. I think you can reform magyar still into hungarian if you take Carphatia later. It replaces the horse archers with konni which is a downgrade but you can start 3-4 stacks and upgrade later. dyre also has the decision to make vassals adopt the local traditions, which is converting both culture and faith into your capitals current. so you can do russian/slovaskian or magyar/taltos, but also you can just convert faith to asathru. taltos and asathru is similar, the holy sites are better for taltos, and the new patch actually changed the tenets, bloth is worse than sacrifice and ancestor worship is the only good one. I like custom religion with monogamous, close kin taboo, witchcraft, female priests with marriage and temporal revocable, and control as function. mainly because you can use those lowborns to marry away female priests with sins and keep fervor high.
@laszlobandi6456
@laszlobandi6456 2 года назад
there is a gold mine in oestergothland, it's next to lappland, the capital? of sweden, havent played that in a while. there is one in innsbruck, duck shape. technically switzerland/bavaria but possible with italy. one next to bohemia, in nitra, > shape, trenchin. then one in sardinia, cagliari (silver mine but same deal). there is 3 in Mali/2 manding and 1 bumbuk, closest 3. probably ghana/manding/jenne start with sanguine (middle) religion to get holy sites too in jenne, kisi, niani. development trickles down around it, so you want more surrounding counties. coastlines got ports for development but you kind of lose out on trickle down if it has no neighbours.
@jpanda79
@jpanda79 2 года назад
How did you survive to 104 years old? Most my characters die like 50s and 60s
@IceNinja18
@IceNinja18 2 года назад
he picked traits that give bonuses to health. Probably went down the learning path that gives strong body as well.
@celestial3681
@celestial3681 2 года назад
Epic.
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