107. Organisms

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Episode 107. Organisms
In episode 107 of Overthink, David and Ellie take up a philosophical perspective on biology’s squirmiest concept: the organism. From Kant’s distinction between organisms and mechanisms, to Deleuze and Guattari’s infamous call for ‘bodies without organs,’ they uncover and question the ontological and metaphorical baggage behind the concept. Their exploration takes them from the bottom of Sea of Naples to the heights of Romantic Idealism, passing through the tensions of contemporary genetics. Plus, in the Patreon bonus, they discuss the unexpected relations between organisms, politics, and reason through the thought of Lukács and Canguilhem.
Overthink is a philosophy podcast hosted by your new favorite professors, Ellie Anderson (Pomona College) and David Peña-Guzmán (San Francisco State University). Check out our episodes for deep dives into concepts such as existential anxiety, empathy, and gaslighting.
Works Discussed
Georges Canguillhem, Knowledge of Life
Gilles Deleuze, Difference and Repetition
Deleuze & Guattari, A Thousand Plateaus
Immanuel Kant, Critique of the Power of Judgment
Georg Lukács, The Destruction of Reason
Jennifer Mensch, Kant’s Organicism: Epigenesis and the Development of Critical Philosophy
Friedrich Schelling, First Outline of a System of the Philosophy of Nature
Lewis Thomas, The Medusa and the Snail
D. M. Walsh, Organisms, Agency, and Evolution
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@heimlichmaneuvr 9 дней назад

Hi! It would be lovely to see Autopoiesis, Maturana and Varela being discussed in a future episode regarding this theme!

@robertalenrichter 9 дней назад

They say that epigenetic stress reactions fade after three generations. But, speaking of humans rather than rats, wouldn't that be the best-case scenario? After all, stress tends to engender more stress as we interact with life, for example, by creating physical symptoms or social discomfort. It's a loop. Perhaps I've just described the history of the human species.

@BillyMcBride 9 дней назад

Fascinating! Thanks. It all makes me wonder about the relationship between personality (like Socrates) and the plot from which personality arises (Socratic need for discussion). I am glad above all that neither of you two becomes a Socrates nor an Anytus but you both treat each other in a way where you respect each other's personality that you neither outshine nor dominate the other. I think that that is more powerful a way of getting along in life, and as lively philosophers, than Socrates did. He may have been been thought of as the wisest in the world at his time, but your method of respect is the wisest today.

@illiakailli 7 дней назад

Great episode! 45:22 central dogma may have changed since the time you were in school, as according to internets it is about direction of information flow, not about static nature of DNA during organism’s lifetime. Also consider that some viruses may use reverse transcriptase to modify host DNA, essentially ‘patching’ us left and right. Regarding Denis Walsh works and agency of living organisms in natural selection: sexual selection is a part of natural selection, so animals use their own cognition to select a partner to procreate, therefore select favourable traits. In this sense we can say that sexual selection gives evolution creationism vibes. In the light of this, ‘blind watchmaker’ metaphor can be considered as quite blind indeed 😂

@epicrunner 9 дней назад

I read the title fast and missed the 'i' and the 'n' at first lol

@NostraDumass 8 дней назад

They already did that episode

@crowboggs 8 дней назад

I think a comparable way to think about D and G's concept of structuration is through grammar, and, in this case, gerunds. Gerunds are verbal nouns. Such things as swimming, running, etc. While these things are more related to activity, I believe when we tend to think about a human being, we tend to think of being (a gerund) as an object and not as an activity, but it is both, and can be considered an event, which is a way of destabilizing the concept of the organism, as you suggest... it also kind of creates a way to read Hamlet's "to be or not to be" soliloquy in a different way that I find interesting. Thanks for the excellent podcasting.

@skihik591 4 дня назад

Also isn't structuration Bahktin's term?

@DanFeldmanAgileProjectManager 9 дней назад

Deleuze’s Assemblage Theory contributes to process philosophy, which offers significant insights to the management of social complexity.

@eqapo 9 дней назад

35:54 dennett's reasons without reasoners

@eqapo 9 дней назад

13:24 it would be a disservice to speak of "computational science" as physics without acknowledging that philosophical wars are still being fought and generations of biologists and physics are divided on the acceptance of that kind of science in application to organizations

@RomeoChapola 7 дней назад

When Superorganisms dream.

@julesdudes853 8 дней назад

"structuring structures" is also how bourdieu describes the habitus in sociology, lots of overlap between organizational metaphors and the social sciences. there's also a lot of room to talk about cybernetics here, and von uexkull. it was also pertinent to talk about how the metaphors of social ontologies of organisms that take primacy in Being talk about organizations they want to eliminate (terrorists, for example) as cancerous growth that should be done away to restore the healthy inner workings of the closed off body. also seems obvious that you don't need conscience or intention for a superorganism's processes to ocurr, it already happens at the level of the body with the autonomous reproduction of the body, and then through the daily reproduction of society through obligations and work, care work, etc