I consider Mr Fairburn a very knowledgeable guy, and I watch every video he puts out, but there is no way in hell that a 10mm comes close to approaching .41 mag energy levels. 10 mms are definitely stout, but .41 mag is in a completely different class and is a much "classier" cartridge to boot. Excellent commemtary Plowboy, im always glad to hear your point of view, and it usually mirrors mine ha. Take care man. Still totin' my Colt 3rd Gen, and it's still doing the job most admirably.
What I’ve garnered from watching Mr. Fairburn is he simply has a preference for auto loaders. He placed the 38 Super as being more powerful than 357 magnum, which is patently absurd. All things being even, which they aren’t, he will praise the auto loader and chide the revolver round.
Sir great discussion. I've been a .41 mag user since the early 80's. This round never ceases to amaze me with its power and accuracy. I've always hand-loaded it for my revolvers. Back in the late 80's, I was pheasant hunting with my Dad and brothers and we spotted a coyote on a nearby hillside that was focused on some other hunters off in the distance and didn't notice us. We watched him come down the hill towards us and when he was about 200 yards away as he trotted up against a fence, he paused and I touched off a round. Hit him square in the chest at a stepped off 190 yards with my .41 mag 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk. That shot still comes up at family get togethers even today. In terms of performance on large midwest whitetails with hard cast 210 gr flat nose bullets, they either go down at the shot or stumble off 5-10 yards, then go down. I only know one other shooter friend who uses .41mag (Redhawk) and like me, its his favorite round. To be fare, I own a number of nice .44 mag revolvers and 10mm autos. However, the .41mag has been my favorite "go to" outdoors/hunting handgun and always will be.
No different than the people who say 9mm is equal to 357 magnum because one single guy being military arms channel cherry picked and put together a “presentation” full of questionable data. 10mm I would say is comparable to 357 mag but even the hottest 357 mag will spank 10mm in terms of muzzle energy.
10mm and 357 are pretty much dead even on power. The 10mm was created specifically for that purpose; to be the equal of 357 mag in an autoloader. Standard factory 10mm is not loaded anywhere near the upper end of its power level though. You would have to buy from one of the boutique ammo manufacturers or hand load to get it to full power. Also, I think Tim at the Military Arms Channel was comparing 9mm to 357 out of a snub nose revolver if I remember correctly. I think his point was the 9mm was fairly close to 357 out of a 2 inch barrel without having the severe recoil. That has been disputed by others, but I don't think he was trying to claim that 9mm and 357 were otherwise equivalent.
10 mm is the most popular handgun round for bear defense in Alaska. It is the best compromise between stopping power, capacity, weight, and shot repeatability. Also ammo is everywhere, just like 357 and 44 mag.
Hi. This was an awesome presentation and very informative! I may have mentioned before that my usual go-to for the woods is my Model 29 with heavy hardcasts. For me, it’s in my “warm n fuzzy comfort zone”(whatever that is…). But there’s times when I’m lazy and brave and strap on my skinny 10mm 1911 instead. But I’m under ZERO delusions about comparing the two.
As a consumer we have to look at the original intent and design of these cartridges. 10mm was pioneered by Jeff Cooper as a self defense round against bad guys. Before all this PC 🐂💩…. All the handgun authors admitted that 40 was invented because female fbi agents complained about 10mm recoil. Fast forward to today and most 10mm ammo is downloaded. So there you have it. 41 mag is vastly superior to 10 mm. Good vid Plowboy (again) 😃
Not just female. Have you ever meet fbi agents? Not the gun guys hrt people. But there average agents? There not gun people really and truly there more Ivey league lawyer types. Honestly I was surprised most of the ones I meet could use 9mm and 38 spc. Remember criminal minds show? There way more like the little nerdy guy than the big guy and the black guy.
40 S&W was invented at the FBI's request because agents had trouble qualifying and the guns experienced accelerated wear. The FBI felt the 9 mm lacked stopping power after the Miami shootout but the real problem was the 115 grain Winchester Silvertip's lack of penetration. Later on as better bullets became available, the FBI went back to the 9 mm.
@@PassivePortfolios don't believe its better bullets. It cheaper, requires less training the guns are cheaper. Its a all around package. And the idea that better bullets makes up for it is crazy. The new bullets can be put into bigger cal
@@tbjtbj4786 FBI concluded that bullet under penetration was responsible for the failure to incapacitate one of the criminals who caused the death of several agents. That's why the switch to the 10 mm happened. It wasn't because the 10 mm ammo was cheaper than 9 mm.
I agree with you wholeheartedly!!! Razor Dobbs used a 10mm Dan Wesson pistol to drop not one but two African Cape Buffalo. Double Tapp 220 grain hardcast loads. That does not make it an African Cape buffalo caliber.
@plowboysghost either way, whether he did or didn't doesn't matter IMO. The world record grizzly was taken with a .22 long... not even long rifle! Just because someone HAS killed an animal with a certain cartridge, doesn't mean that cartridge is suited for it. Good vid as always plowboy, I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable in bear country with a .41 instead of a 10mm.
I'd say 10mm is more equivalent to 357mag in terms of power and effectiveness with the firepower advantage coming from holding 15 rounds in a mag vs 5-6 in a cylinder. Can't hold a candle to 41 or 44 though.
I hear you on the coyote problem. Also there are half coyote coydogs that are even more dangerous as they understand human weaknesses better. And where I live feral hogs. I have a friend who nearly got taken out running fence line. 260lb boar hog charged him. He was running .300 blackout at the time and it got the job done. I wouldn't trust 9mm against any of the above.
Not even close. Buffalo Bore loads a .357 that generates 900 ft-lbs with a 180 grain bullet. Show me a 10mm that can do the same and that won’t grendade the pistol fired in it. 10mm is the most overhyped cartridge for handguns there is. It produces NOTHING close to the .41 or .44, and doesn’t even best the mild .357.
I like Chuke regardless. His firearm content is really directed at novices but I watch it just the same. Sadly the younger crowd gravitate towards this type of presentation. To his credit he is humble and will entertain different opinions. If I want the wisdom of maturity and practical experience I come here and a certain couple other places. Thank you for being that voice of reason!
All good points. I had a convo recently with some friends and spoke to the effectiveness of handguns as backup should their longarm fail in a bear scenario. Im like Kodiak bears weigh 1500 lbs on average, they have a top speed of 35-40 mph. I was like "that's 80,000 ft lbs of impact energy charging you. You dont want to skimp on firepower, you'll prolly eat sh*t."
Yep, mr. plowboysghost I sincerely appreciate you reminding us of the Taylor Knockout Value as so many are hung up on on just the energy and capacity. Marksmanship and practice is work and a 10mm auto is not a shortcut to being prepared. And ammo/load makes the other key contribution and appreciate keeping the ever versatile .45 Colt in the right revolver capable of those higher loads and pressures in the discussion. Still plan on a .41 Mag for myself when I find one. Thanks sir!
You are right about the 41 Magnum. I first started in 1972 after I got out of the Army with a 4 inch blued S&W M29. The "Dirty Harry" fad was in full force and the 4 incher was the only one really available. The Model 57 was ignored and could be readily found for list or a bit less. I saw a 6 inch blued M57 and bought it. I used it in a few combat matches with a 1000fps lead load and did fairly well against the 45 Auto 1911s. This was the 70ties. One thing I noticed about the 41 Mag was the lesser recoil. I could handload the 41 to the same ft lbs energy as the 44 Magnum and the recoil seemed a lot less. I had the same Ruger as you show and people who shot it always said the recoil was no problem. Same With the M29 vs the M57. BTW, Mag-Na-Port will cut the recoil of the single actions a good bit. Well worth the price. Get their action job, too. If I had it to do all over again, I would just use the 41 Magnum and would skip the 44 Magnum. For woods walking today I have a 2.75 inch S&W M69. If it was available in 41 Magnum, I might have bought that instead. We only have black bears here. Had one in my driveway one night. Good video.
No boy i've been waiting for this ever since paul harrells video.... edit man I haven't seen A video that made this much sense.Ever since the late great Jeff quinn
Gotta say...10mm and .357 magnum are much more equivalent than 10mm and 41 mag. 10mm has become as mythologically enchanted with a certain crowd as 6.5 Creedmore has; it's kinda silly. 😬
The auto guys like accuracy by volume. It makes them look more impressive when they shoot steel fast. I would never prefer an auto.. with my luck, the malfunction bug would get me. No thanks I will take my accuracy with a revolver and a larger diameter projectile over the extra capacity.
Love watching your videos! Keep up the good work. We need more people educated on weapons, many young men are out of control today because they did not have a dad or grandpa to teach them about weapons and how to respect them. You are doing that work for many today.
10mm fanboys are insufferable. Compared to 9mm sure it’s a potent round. But hot .357 beats it and anything above blows it out of the water. .41 is the best revolver round for all around work ever devised.
Surely, I don't think it can be overstated (for the 10mm fan boys); 10mm is NOT the Grizzly God... Here's my analogy/comparison: 10mm is like 9mm - if a bear were a human (if you know what I mean). Just adequate for bear defense - but nothing above that; multiple shots required (like with 9mm against a human)... So .41 Magnum to a (big; grizzly) bear would be like the equivalent of a properly loaded .357 Magnum (through a 5-6" barrel or longer) to a human. That's a BIG difference! This is my take (hopefully it makes sense)... Some people may take comfort in the capacity of a 10mm semi-auto - but it's nowhere near as powerful, shot-for-shot, as a .41 Magnum revolver. Buffalo Bore, for example, makes a .41 Magnum hard cast bear defense load that generates over 1000 ft lbs of energy - and 10mm isn't even close to that!... Case closed.
I looked at that specific load today, at a gun shop - just out of curiosity because of this video... It's damn near the size, and pretty close to the weight of, a .44 Magnum bear load - and generates over 1000 ft lbs of energy. 🤯... That's a MONSTER - and there's no way that any 10mm is even touching that!
I tend to be a .357 mag fanboy. I see it get compared to 9mm, 10mm, and .357 sig. The only one that seems to close is the 10mm. Mostly the .357 magnums versatility sells it to me, I know 41, 44 and such are more powerful, but I like .357.
This reminds me of all the talk about how 9mm is just as good as 40 or 45 acp because of the improved technology. It’s the craziest point to make. Yes, the technology has improved greatly on the 9mm, but the technology didn’t stop with 9mm!!! Every advance that’s been made in bullet technology applies to all calibers. The ammo companies didn’t just improve ballistics for a single round. For example, Hornady doesn’t make their Critical Defense just for 9mm, they have it for every caliber they produce.
As the fine Southern Gentleman I presume you to be, was surprised you didn't introduce us to the sweet little cohost seated next to you. Would like to have heard her opinion on this subject 🤭
To get even close to the 41 magnum, 10mm has to be stretched to the 10mm magnum cartridge, then you have equals. Aria does load the 10mm magnum. Now, good luck finding a pistol to shoot it out of. Aria evens loads a 44 spl, with a TKO of 19, so even the ole lonely 44 spl beats the 10mm.
I'm not a particular fan of either caliber but would I go into grizzly territory with a 10 mm ? NO !!! Would I go into grizzly territory with a 41 magnum ? Hell yes and with only 6 shots !!!
I’ve lived in Alaska for 30 years, I’ve been packing a 480 for the past 20+ years, 400 gr @1200 fps. My thought is I may only get one shot and I want enough power in that one shot. I know lots of folks that carry 10mm because they want follow up shots. As to Phil, the 9 isn’t his regular carry gun, it was just what he had on him at the time and he didn’t expect to be encountering a bear as he had clients who were fishing. Worth noting when he is guiding bear hunts he carries a 458 win mag rifle.
I carry and reload a 6” .500 Magnum in a Simply Rugged chest rig. I carry three 5-star speedloders. I reload from mild to wild as I see fit. Hard cast wad cutters and hollow points, all cast by me and gas checked. I stopped fooling with the sub calibers like .44 and .41 years ago
All of them have a place, but people just can’t seem to let them stay in their lane. Some are always touting how awesome marginal calibers are but should I be in harms way due to large animals that want to render me a into a meal or a greasy spot I will definitely take a high TKO round as my protection and leave g to he marginal calibers for social work.
10 mm is equivalent to the 357 mag and ballistic data shows that plain and clear. The 41 mag's competitor is the 44 mag who won that contest a long time ago, rendering the 41 mag. obsolete. Gun and ammo sales are the evidence.
45 super to 10mm would be a better comparison both semiauto. 41 mag is a great round but since everyone wants semiauto and not revolvers its a shame people limit themselves. 45 colt 44-40 44 mag revolvers get the job done its not always what you carry and how many rounds you have but how good you are and train with what you like.
I’ve had that argument with Mr. Fairburn as well. At least he isn’t a muzzle energy worshipper. I doubt that Aria stuff will get 1500 fps in a revolver, but.41 magnum will easily push a 290 grain cast bullet the 1200 the 10/220 can manage. Zero rounds is more likely in a bear attack than 7 plus. Time for the fan boys to learn to shoot.
@@plowboysghost One of these days I’ll get a batch of those Accurate 287’s cast up and a load developed. In the meanwhile, 1250 fps fas been easy with an LBT 250 grain WFN.
Well said at 9:00 ! 👍 Spray & pray is what the simi auto community preaches ........... I'm an old school revolver feller and don't own any caliber connected with the metric system ....😁
Personally for me. 45 super gives me better performance than the 10mm and I can use any suitable 45 ACP platform for it. I mean as far as chamber support and recoil spring tuning goes you have to roughly do as much work to get a stock 10mm to shoot super hot 10mm loads safely as you do a 45 to shoot 45 super safely. Yes you gain more ammo in the 10mm but if you already have a 45 it makes more sense to just invest in making it 45 super capable than buying a 10mm. But to your point I think the whole “10mm is equivalent to 41 magnum” comes down to a 10mm is technically 40 caliber so they round up to 41 and just proclaim it’s the equal. From the very first time I saw a video covering 10mm (I believe it was a Military Arms Channel video) I heard that claim and I knew that data was closer to 357 performance than 41 magnum performance.
Since you memtioned the Charter .44 spl. Bulldog. I have one made in the early '70s. Would you tell us what your thoughts are on it? Also, what bullet weight or load do you use in yours? I don't hear much about it. Thank you.
I like the newer one I have. I run a 200-gr Gold Dot over 8 gr of Universal...and an RCBS 250 Keith over 7 gr of Universal. I bobbed the hammer and added a crimson trace laser grip. It's one I will own for years to come.
@@Chevrolet1994 I've had it for years and carried a LOT. I haven't put a lot of rounds through it, though I have no doubt it will hold up for as long as I own it.
I put stock in your advice, Mr. Plowboy. I know you do your own research and verify what you say BEFORE you say it. If you handed me rounds and told me they would do something, I would know they would do the job required as long as me and my gun did our part.
I asked about comparing 10mm to .41 mag on another channel and got roundly mocked, lol. I just wanted to see the comparison. .41 mag 215g swc at 1600 fps is about 1220 ft. lbs. iirc. That's from a Blawkhawk and my handloads. Thanks.
* My position is * Taylor goes too far the other way , and places too much emphasis on Momentum. Somewhat related , but more representative of the real world is the late John Wolters's W Factor . ( I think , have to look up what he actually called it . Ft Lb of energy X Bullet Diameter X Sectional Density ***************** Yes , the current fad of comparing Revolvers vs Semiautos by adding up the cumulative Ft Lb of energy in a full magazine is silly . For Defense or Hunting, the important thing is the effectiveness of the first , and frequently only , shot to make a good hit . For Defense or Hunting more than 2 , occasionally 3 good Hits is off the the statistical weeds . ( Notwithstanding that , I always carry extra ammo , if not having some of the extra ammo having its own gun wrapped around it .
And after watching all your videos I went out and bought the Blackhawk in the .45colt and a Henry lever in the same caliber!! You made me a believer my friend !!! Cheers!!
Yep. I don't know if it will fit in a Blackhawk, though. It may be like Garrett Cartridges' 405 RHO for the Redhawk with a longer cylinder than the BH.
Seein plowboy hold a modern semi-automatic pistol and not a revolver is weird on my eyes 😂 I’m the same way buddy! Gettin a cool deer scene engraved on my revolver!
I’ll stick with my 45 colt… now I do carry extra ammo on my belt but I’d rather have that extra ammo and not need it than need it and only have brought 6…
I enjoy hearing your thoughts on this topic. Bettern watching tv. But i admit i was a little weirded out half way through the video when i noticed that baby doll sitting next to ya. Thats your business and im sure there's a good reason for it but i couldn't help but notice. Despite the fact that i often carry a .22mag i do prefer the most powerful revolver i can actually shoot well when black bears and cougar are around. When they're too close to aim you better not miss. Maybe its not that big of a concern but ive always been a bit worried that id get mauled and not have room or the presence of mind to hold off far enough to not press a simi auto out of battery against a large predator that was in the process of treating me like a chew toy.
Again😂 yep! I have a video planned on this debate as well. In which I'll cove some of same as you did here as well as a few more key points that are platform related as well as environmental issues not well suited. I was try aquire a 10 mm before recording Mountain man
I Really Like .41. . I also like 10mm , and the two aren't contradictory. The complete , and more accurate , statement was : " ( Normal mainstream ) Full Power 10mm is reasonably similar to Silvertip. 41 Mag . " I have chronograp Ed 10mm cast bullet handloads that I've stopped reporting , because everybody says it's lieing . Yeah , they were " beyond original specification " . But it's not as if that 325 gr .45 Colt loading is within original specs either , but tailored by experienced handloaders , for specific guns . And G29sf with full power 10mm . If it's not the most energy from something that size , while still able to control for rapid fire, then it's darn close to it . [ And for the record , my nest closest contender is Large Frame Vaquero, 3.5 inch .45 Colt , with mid "Ruger Only " loads .
@@plowboysghost OK, deep semantics . My late Best Friend ( RIP) , and #1 Shooting and Handloading Partner had the 200 yd private range outside his kitchen door , a large loading and casting set up , and the opportunity to do borderline excessive work ups for accuracy and power for his favored guns . And to relevance here , they included 4 5/8 .41 Blackhawk , and Colt Delta Elite . Both guns received through load developments for each , to reach the best possible. And I consulted with him for most of his load development, and chronograph ' Ed many of them myself . ( He lived 2 states away , or else I'd have been at his bench most days . Yes , his " most bestest in his druthers " .41 Mag load with 265gr LBT bullet , exceeded any of his 10mm load developments. BUT , his top 10mm loads with 220 gr cast bullets exceeded mainstream. 41 Mag factory loads . Same kind of thing with "Ruger Level " .45 Colt vs .44 Magnum . I can load Ruger Bisley with heavy cast bullet handloads to exceed mainstream .44 Mag factory loads . But I can also develop heavy cast bullet loads safe in SBH Hunter to exceed what's possible in .45 Blackhawk. So yes , a 10mm with with suitable handloads is Also viable for Bear .
.41 Magnum is closer to ..44 Magnum than 10mm is to the potential of.41 Magnum....and .45 Colt can do anything .429 Magnum can do but with less pressure than the ".44".
@@plowboysghost It's always a tradeoff though. Cylinder walls get pretty thin with the 45 Colt and.. there is a reason the magnums are a bit longer than the specials.. so no one gets confused. I have two boxes of 45 Colt that the labels must have fallen off so no idea what they are loaded at and the only thing I have in 45 Colt is a conversion cyl for an 1860 army sooo..
Plowboy, I have a call for you from Chuck Norris... yeah. lol OK look - the 10mm is almost the exact equivalent, kinetic power level-wise to the .357 Magnum. However, the 10mm is a larger diameter round ... like exactly between the .357 and the .45. .41 Magnum is more energetic than 10mm. So... whatever. lol
OK.... just to comment on revolver vs autoloader when it comes to a charging brown bear. Give me a Glock 20 SF (my hands are med-old man beefy) over any revolver - any caliber any day. The 10mm with hard cast bullets is adequate and we can squeeze off at least twice as many rounds before the bear eats us... and that is all that matters. Right? And I don't care who you are, the autoloader is much (much) quicker to shoot. I shoot cowboy action and can shoot a single action pretty fast but if you ramp up the recoil, well....
@@theoriginalOSOK I'd say that what matters more than round count downrange is stopping the threat ASAP. 10mm is adequate in that it has stopped bears, but then so, technically, is 9mm, .380 ACP, and even .22LR. ....and you can put some really easy kicking, high volume rounds on the target if you have time and no malfunctions I'll take big bore, powerful revolver rounds, one on target at a time....just in case I'm not lucky.
@@plowboysghost I understand that. Let me ask you this: if a bear is charging you and you can choose between 1 or 2 quick shots with a a 44 Mag or 3 or 4 with a 10mm…. ? The tests I’ve seen, I’d opt for the 10mm just to increase my odds of hitting the vitals. Shot placement. That’s what I’m saying is to be prioritized.
You can push any caliber out beyond what it should be pushed. You will fer sure wear a gun out prematurely and or blow it up and cause injury or death. Took me along time to realize no need to push a caliber to a caliber you can just buy.
I'm happy with my 454 Casul even with my hot 45 colts which are impressive to say the least. That said I always take my ex with me in bear country because I can run faster that she can.
Agree that the .41 Magnum has FAR greater potential than the 10mm but when you compare Apples to Apples they are much closer... Compare a 4" S&W 57 with a 5" 1911...barrels from muzzle to breachface are close to the same. a 200 grain 10mm bullet has the same sectional density as a 210 grain .410 bullet. From said barrels with standard factory ammo the .41 will run 1250+- fps and the 10mm close to the same. As to the 295 grain load at a reported 1500 fps...having shot 295s and 300 grain bullets in .41 for close to 20 years I can guaranty the velocity in the 4 5/8" Ruger barrel will be in the 1200 fps range...and if you think your 500JRH kicks...that load from a lightweight Blackhawk is just as unpleasant. And last is shootability.... One can have all the TKO as one wants...but can one make repeated hits with it... Love your videos....
Some of those 10mm loads don't make advertised velocity, as well. I've got a 6.5" .41 Mag Blackhawk, as well...BTW. I spoke to the potential...not to limiting the best one could achieve to make the other look better 😁 I've shot the hottest 325-gr Buffalo Bore.45 Colt in a 4-5/8" BH and 400-gr .480 Ruger loaded to .475 Linebaugh length using .475 Linebaugh data in a 4-5/8" SBH Bisley. My 5.5" BFR Bisley .500 JRH hits harder than both. I don't believe any .41 mag load will equal it's impulse with 454-gr H110 loads.
@@plowboysghostI agree.... Had a FA .454 and .475 both with 6" barrels... Now have a 4.25" .500 WE with and extra .500 JRH cylinder but don't put it very hard...
I like the 10mm not a fanboy because right now i don't own one. 10mm over tge 357 yes i like the bigger bullets and you know the price and size of 357 autos? 41 is not my cup of tea rather have the 44 or 45 any day. And if you add the extra barrels length the 10 needs it a bit closer. A 5 in 41 has a 5 in barrel a 5 in 10 is - the chamber so its not 5in. Now looking at the original loads are a lot closer than hand picked modern loads. Norma spec 200gr / 1200fps 170/ 1300 The leo 41 200 / 900fps. The original mag was supposed to be 210 at 1300-1400 fps depending on loader. Yes theres hoter and heavier 41 loads. And in bear country i rather the 41 But in Biden America just avoid bad places is not as accurate as it was. Theres been multiple attackers in the good part of town at 12 noon. Here. Now to Taylor knock out. According to the man himself you are using it wrong. It has nothing to do with any expanding bullets or any light skinned game or people. It is a measure of the minutes you can expect a elephants to be knocked out by a soild close to but not hitting the brain. In his own books he said that was the only intentional use he had for it. Or words to that effect.
I'm using TKO as a reference for cast bullets only...with big/dangerous animals in mind. That's exactly what it was developed/conceived for. My assertion is that the 10mm doesn't have near the potential of the.41 Mag. The best loads available for each bear that our..which is what I quoted. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@plowboysghost yea I said basically the same you can find 41 loads that are way above 10mm. And for bear i would rather have the 41 out of the 2. But original concept they are close. But with a bear I really rather my 44 270gr load. Than either. People 41 or 10 i think I would be ok with either. But when the 10mm came out I don't see the point in Conan and desert eagles in 357mag any more. That springfield of yours is a lot lighter has more ammo and way cheaper. Lol
@@plowboysghost I actually agree. Why i like the 44 spc, 45acp and 45-70 and 358w. But if you're using it to argue a point of fact. I figured the actually use by the man that came up with it should be explained and accounted for. There are 22-250 loads that have more energy than the 405gr safe for any rifle 45-70. But no one in there right mind would want that 55gr 22-250 in there hands over the 45-70 with a bear trying to make them lunch.
Also with just the tier 2 45 Colt level you pass and or match Ballistic energies from both 10mm and 357 Magnum loads so in that case "Small" Frame Ruger Blackhawks and According to Brian Pierce the Uberti made Single Actions made "After 1990" and on to now can match or beat 10mm and 357 Magnum. But with that little Tid bit of info, do your own Homework.
