Obviously, since Missy had already explained in the episode how the Doctor could convert destructive energy (directed at destroying him) into an energy he could use, she simply did the same thing. She figured out on the fly how to channel the Dalek blasts into the screwdriver, to get it to operate as a modified vortex manipulator, and just hopped to a different space and time.
@@Aracore They are unless made uncacin by the show. This is mostly due to the 8th Doctor's audiobook companions being named in the DoTD minisode "Night of The Doctor".
Amy and Rory stuck in the past: Fans: Just jump in the Tardis and go back and get them. Doctor: No there is some timey-wimey thing around New York that would destroy the universe if I brought the Tardis back. Fans: Ok....Then land the Tardis in New Jersey and take a train and pick them up. Doctor: No...much too risky still too close to New York. Fans: (sigh)...Then land the Tardis in London, send a telegram to New York, have them board a boat and travel to London Doctor: Sorry it's fixed point in time, won't work. Fans: BS...you violate fixed point in time all along, like your own death and the destruction of Galifrey! Doctor: Ok lets be honest for a minute! Amy and Rory are fictional characters. The actors who played them left the show! You made me break the 4th wall, you happy?!?!
@@isaac2990 I think with the gallifrey thing that they mean what happened in Day of the Doctor, which wasn't amtering anything. They were already a part of it. It had always happened, they just didn't know it.
Technically Gallifrey wasn't saved. It's outside of the universe so its "destroyed" to everyone else. Also, the Doctor could've just sent them back to 1938 every trip...
The Golden Age of Miss Jones was basically replaced when he ended her reign after Christmas. This actually opened the door for The Master to take over later the next season. You even hear them talk about Mr Saxon ordering the Torchwood to fire on the Aliens running away. When the Doctor broke the confidence in her he basically let the Master step in
Slight correction - We hear _"Orders from Mr Saxon! Fire!"_ used when the military are attacking the Racnoss ship in *The Runaway Bride* a whole year after Harriet Jones ordered Torchwood to fire on the Sycorax ship in *The Christmas Invasion* By that point Harriet had long since stood down and Torchwood had been destroyed in the battle with the Daleks & Cybermen
If you listen to the Missy chronicles it’s stated that prior to her death, Missy used a process called Cryogenic extraction which destroyed her body down to a molecular level, after that she regenerated into an incarnation known as the Lumiat, and after encountering her previous incarnation Missy kills the Lumiat, it’s actually implied that when the Lumiat regenerated, the next incarnation is Sachs Dhawan’s Master
Missy covered her eyes, shouted "if I can't see you, then you can't see me.' With this piece of outstanding logic, she yeets herself off of Skaro, whilst doing cartwheels.
Who would I cast as Rassilon? Okay, hear me out, because this idea is so amazingly brilliant that you have to think about it for a minute before you realize that it isn't the stupidest thing you've ever heard. Christopher Eccleston.
@@zachclawges6932 missy could just teleport out of there, or do what the doctor did earlier that episode and use the energy from the daleks lasers to rapidly charge her vortex munipulator or what ever divice she had (Because physics in Doctor Who is totally accurate) besides the point is she distroys the daleks closest to her
So here's an idea for the future: - bring back Rassilon - make him younger, possibly a little insane, and bent on getting revenge on the Doctor and restoring Gallifrey - give him a scrappy looking old TARDIS that could've been picked up in his exile - make him the timeless child instead of the Doctor - have him mortally wounded at some point so he can regenerate (and everyone can see it) - to prove he's the timeless child and to spite the Doctor, have him choose to regenerate into one of the Doctor's previous faces (and do so)
Zach Clawges in all seriousness, I do really hope to see Rassilon again. Making him the TC would be interesting. There’s enough evidence in the episode to suggest that the Master is just screwing with the Doctor anyway
@@danthemeegs8751 What Evidence exactly? obviously, he's telling the truth, he's showing footage from The Matrix (The Time Lord Database) to the Doctor, there is more evidence that suggests he is telling the truth than the ones that suggest he's lying, tell me one piece of evidence, anyway, if they make up the excuse that The Master made the whole thing up, it would just be a lazy retcon that just returns the whoniverse to the status-quo, so I would like them to actually explore the idea of The Doctor being the timeless child, what I'm more concerned with is why the hell did The Master decide to hack into the matrix?
My top notch theory on how Missy escaped Skaro: Missy seduced the Daleks. "But how?" I hear you ask. Well well well. You see, one of the Daleks in the corridor was genetically linked to the Dalek from S1 E6 "Dalek" where the Dalek in Dalek mutated and started feeling emotions and whatnot. Seeing as the Daleks all share a big ol' Dalek database, the genetic material of the Dalek from "Dalek" embedded itself into one of the Daleks from The Witches Familiar. Anyhow, Missy seduces the Dalek and they ride off into the sunset, escaping Skaro. Unfortunately their romance is short lived due to the fact that the Dalek has a severe drinking problem and he doesn't want to admit it. They argue, shit gets messy and Missy kills him :( This is all canon, thank you Stephen Moffat :)
@@zachclawges6932 Not really, she would remember having/using it earlier. She only remembered having it, when she slapped it into Simm's head, which was kinda cheaty way of getting something useful, she could convince him to remind himself of anything that she, or he would need at the time and she would instantly have it in her pocket, because timey wimey ... stuff. "Oh, Missy, I'm hungry right now, I could really use something to eat" "Oh how lucky, you have me, I happen to have a snack here on me, it's yours". Because they are the same person from two different times, they could basically do anything. I get, what Moffat was going for, but it still was cheap. In fact it shouldn't work. One simple reason. Their timelines were messing around and neither of them should remember these events (just like Day of the Doctor), maybe Missy could, but AFTER these, not before. But Simm shouldn't at all. So if she convinced him to remind himself to always carry a spare dematerialization circuit on him, he should immediately forget, after escaping the colonial ship, which cancels her "inventory" then. If Simm did forget, then she shouldn't remember reminding herself of carrying it all the time as well. She should remember those events after she escaped the ship, not before they arrived there. Simple as that. The materialization of the dematerialization circuit is a plot hole.
I think the TARDIS recognized it's signature and simply granted entry, after all it was delivering a package for the Doctor, would you block your mailman from delivering a package?
Rassilon’s whereabouts could be a good way to retcon away the whole Timeless Child absurdity. We’ve seen him mess with the Master’s mind before. The whole thing could thus be a complex and still-unfolding revenge plot against the Doctor. I sure hope so - I’m not even a diehard Who fan and what Chibnall has done to the canon annoys the actual f*** out of me.
Especially since Morgaine said, that he (the Doctor) has changed his appearance again. And if it`s true, that the 7th Doctor didn`t remember being (or posing as) Merlin, it could very well be a later incarnation of him.
@@140natsu Lego reference? What are you on about, he's referring to the Remembrance of the Daleks with Sly McCoy as the 7th where he has enough of Davros's maniacal ranting and mocks him by shouting he wants unlimited rice pudding out of nowhere.
carealoo744 New body, new personality. When all of your regenerations except for your first body and your previous one are evil it’s not that hard to believe that this new body would be mental reset back to the standard evil you. We see this when River regenerates in Let’s Kill Hitler and in Hell Bent when that older time lord regenerates back into a woman and apologizes for being a bit of jerk and is happy to be back to normal. So, there is a precedent for it. But this is just a theory.
14:15 -- I have two theories for that: (1) Since the new canon is that the Doctor has been around millions of years, it's quite possible that the higher up Time Lords at the time may not even be aware of the Doctor's true origins and assumed that he really was out of regenerations. (2) If the Time Lord powers that be at the time were aware of the Doctor's true origins, they may have given him the regeneration energy equivalent of a placebo to keep up appearances that he was just a normal Time Lord.
@@danthemeegs8751 & @DravenGal Very Meta, but totally True. The 5th Doctor's Daughter, who portrayed the Doctor's Daughter did marry the 10th Doctor, having his babies and the 5th Doctor's grand-babies... and yes, I am ruining the joke, but many people don't know Jenny was played by Georgia Moffett who is the daughter of Peter Moffett (aka Peter Davison) not writer Steven Moffat (who has a similar but not same last name). Incidentally, the episode "The Doctor's Daughter" was also directed by someone who had a name that was misleading, as the Director was Alice Troughton (but no actual relation, to Patrick Troughton, the 2nd Doctor).
@@randomguyfromgermany you are absolutely correct... I have no idea how I could have used 4th (Tom Baker) for 5th (Peter Davison/Peter Moffett)... note, got the name right, just put the wrong number before the 'th'... twice, somehow, can't blame it on typo, just mindy-windy wibbledy-wobbledy brain.
uuuuuuuhhhh PLOT TWIST: We cast Capaldi as Rassalon, the Doctor is the one Who initiates fighting him and at the end it is revealed that Capaldi is STILL the 12th Doctor, who found a dying Rassalon, gave him... well her at that point, the memories of being the Doctor to continue the Experiment he started with Missy ! So the Doctor is still the Doctor while Rassalon is the Timeless child !
Possible explanation: The TimeLords did not give the Doctor more regenerations, but it was what he thought.Maybe, they unlocked his ability to endlessly regenerate. Yes,the timeless child still does not make sense but if they have actually thought this through,it might actually work
I think the Timeless Child concept would have worked best if it wasn't the Doctor. Their are other characters out there that this would fit better with. Rassilon could fit the profile as he is one of the oldest Timelords in the show and is already implied to have infinite regenerations. The Master could also work as it would at least help explain his numerous resurrections better. Susan could have been the Timeless Child while the Doctor could have been the scientist that found her. It was a neat concept but the Doctor's well-established history and and (mostly) solid background makes him one of the worst choices for being the Timeless Child.
The missy/master's already on their 17th+ regeneration, it would have made more sense if it was him and also explain his madness and personality as sealed memories coming out
Biggest sub plot that was abandoned: The Doctor had a daughter and she goes off to do awesome exploring and a whole lot of running... or so the writers say.
Regarding Gallifrey being time-locked and the Doctor being unable to go back, presumably to any point of its existence, I never quite understood how they wound up on Gallifrey in the season 8 episode "Listen," nor why Clara doesn't tell the Doctor it's Gallifrey even knowing he's been looking for it all this time. It's a good episode, but that part just felt odd to me.
What about seeing a story fully focused on the Dalek Civil War since its only shown in Remembrance of the Daleks and I don't think it's been mentioned in the show since.
I think its been in some of the Adventures of Doctor Who books(the older books written in the 80s) and its been mentioned in some of the big Finish audio adventures.
I've always thought that a dalek civil war would be great to kinda reestablish ground for where the daleks stand in that universe rn. They go back and forth between extinction and being fully powered on skaro so much, it really takes away the urgency of them. I really hope we get something like this when they return this xmas
I think the Christmas/new years/festive special whatever it is will involve another civil Dalek war between the recon daleks and the time war daleks just thinking anyway xx
Tennant is not always there to save the day... *coughs in Torchwood children of earth* Also my theory on missys escape was she taught them how the doctor got the cup of tea in davros's chair. Showing uncharacteristic gratitude they let her go. Also Dalton said he'd come back for rassilon. He loved it
I like the whole idea of waking up and it all being a dream. It worked for Bobby Ewing in Dallas, the show can reboot and forget this ridiculous Chibnall era and woman Doctor and we can get our sci fi show back without it's stupid, tedious issues in every show. Dr who is about escapism. Not the kind of crap you find in Eastenders and other silly, tedious soaps.
A lot of people are forgetting that the final ‘Timeless’ Doctor was forced into becoming a Time Lord child boy, who would grow up having 12 lives and becoming Hartnell’s 1st Doctor. This is how the Doctor was given a fresh cycle in Smith’s swan song
Missy turned out to be the fabled "spaceless angsty teen" and used her magic spell "expelliarmus" to escape. That spell then rippled through time and that's how Martha knew that Shakespear had to say "expelliarmus", so without Missy Shakespear would've died. And that's how she escaped.
"A three companion dynamic is really hard to juggle." Peter Davidson's fifth Doctor had the same problem back when he travelled with Tegan, Nyssa, and Adric.🤔🤔
@@mayotango1317 But River wasn't a regular, she wasn't in every episode. And Rory was there only for a season and a half, before that he was similar to River, so we had more time to explore Amy's character in season 5 and then them together in seasons 6 and 7. And also - was Rory really a well-handled companion? Or was he just a companion's companion?
@@Domihork Still River Song is more Doctorish that Jodie Whittaker. Amy was a plot device in Series 5, and Rory Williams started out as a weak shy person to hit the Doctor in the face and be even became more older than him. Amy was even getting into more trouble that any new series companion , while Rory tried to make sense of the space madness.
I don't think it would be a good idea to sweep the timeless child reveal under the rug, at least not completely. We have an opportunity to explore this, there is a lot of potential here esspecially with the division. We don't get to see gallafrey that frequently so it would be nice to have an episode that is based around exploring timelord history in more detail, so prehaps we could get a dark and gritty story around the division, maybe see why the doctor left gallafrey or at least see Tek Teyun, Rassalon, and Omega have a nice reuninon. This would also benifit yonger fans who may not have seen the classic series so won't have benifited from the gallafrey based stories back then.
Missy...well obviously, Missy helped the Daleks heal the injuried Davros. This causing Skaro to stabilise as Davros is back in control. The man then slaps her for poking his eye, causing her to stumble into the supreme Dalek, knocking him off his stupid platform. She then grabs the Dalek from within the broken casing, and using it as a grappling hook, she swings across the building, finding the teleport control room. Thus she uses it to create an emergency temporal shift, and she gets teleported to an unknown location!
Missy turns into dust and flew away into the galaxy like Astrid did in the 2007 Christmas special and then reforms back into her next regeneration, that’s how she escaped skaro
Good list from the modern series, but you forgot some fantastic classic subplots: 1. Merlin is a future Doctor (Battefield), 2. Whatever happened to the Meddling Monk? 3. Whatever happened to the Rani? 4. Whatever happened to Leela on Gallifrey? 5. Whatever happened to Susan? 6. Whatever happened to Romana 2? In the new series, you forgot to mention 7. Whatever happened to the Doctor’s daughter? 8. What was the Midnight entity? 9. Who was Sky Silvestri so scared of and running away from in Midnight?
"How did Missy escape Skaro?" Very rarely does the show explain how the Master / Missy escaped what should've been certain death at the end of his/her previous story. To prevent migraines, just accept that the Master will never truly die and move on. 🙃
They even lampshade this twice in the episode, using the Doctor instead of Missy, but the principle still holds. Once by showing how the doctor thinks his way out of scrapes, and then the teacup scene. “Of course the real question is where did I get the cup of tea? Answer? I’m the Doctor. Just accept it.” This goes just as much for the Master/Missy and Davros.
She does the Big Finish audiodrama thing. I know, it's not the same as continuing her story in the show itself, but at least her story does continue. I don't know more about that though.
She told everyone that she was Davros’ mistress that he had been keeping on the side and if Davros found out she’s dead he would be very disappointed with them.
I think the timeless child concept was kind of good, it opens more mystery and possibilities if done correctly. maybe the timelords back then kind of knew the danger of a ever regenerating creature so they locked it somehow, but they unlocked a new cycle or unlocked it all together ? i could see some iterations of this story going the right way ^^
In regards to the destruction of the Tardis, either a Silence snuck on board and River kept forgetting about it, or River’s psychological programming kicked in and she set it to self-destruct.
I think a lot of these ended fine and most people didn’t care like Harriet Jones she was given a good send of and Ryan hasn’t finished with doctor who yet
Apparently Tosin Cole took it upon himself to add in little hints of dyspraxia in his acting because Chibnall just didn't write it in to the scripts. It's a nice touch.
Well you see. Missy survived because when the guy possessed the tardis in “the doctors wife” it saw the future and saw this missy character in a new timeline where she became the master that destroyed gallifrey. This possessed tardis used a timeline distortion system to mix the timelines to make it so that missy survived and then split the timelines back together. And missy regenerated by a tiny bit of the ultra regeneration that the 11th doctor had hitting them during the mix of timelines giving them just enough power to get their regeneration set back.
I'd be shocked if this hasn't been pointed out elsewhere but here goes: The Timeless Child both invalidates the fulfillment of the hybrid prophecy and fulfills it. The Doctor and Clara connot now be "The Hybrid" because a hybrid which is half Time Lord half warrior race must stand iin the ruins of Gallifrey. The Doctor is now not of the Time Lord Race, but an unknown predecessor race. However, the Master takes the Cyberium into himslef, thus becoming a hybrid of the Time Lords and Cybermen. Be then literally stands in the ruins of Gallifrey. Not only that, he has an army of Cyber Masters (Cyber Lords would have been a much cooler name) who are literally Cybemen with Time Lord biological units in them. The next series needs to point this fulfillment of the prophecy out if this version of the Whovian universe is to continue.
Theory: The Valyard was the pre-Hartnell/Ruth Doctor. The Mind of Morbid regenerations were working for Division. It amazes me, having watched a number of reactions/reviews, that foreshadowing is overlooked, along with the expectations of all answers being given in one episode. One of the best things Chibnall has done is to completely free the show from the "13" rule. I'm assuming, if not for Mary Whitehouse, the Hinchcliffe era would've resolved Tom Baker being revealed as the 12th Doctor vs the 13 rule, but it wasn't. Of all the subplots which COULD'VE been ignored, that wasn't. Now it doesn't matter.
I know this is late and more info has been provided in The Timeless Child story that supports this but I always thought the reason the time lords had to give The Doctor more regenerations was bc they had used the chameleon arch to turn them Gallifreyan. Given that now we know The Doctor’s memories were stored in the same type of watch used in previous chameleon arch stories, its makes perfect sense. Furthermore, The Doctor does NOT have infinite lives at this point as they have not opened the watch and regained their true species. Too many people ignore this and IMO its been shown clearly in the show
Missy pops off a little fart, accidentally releasing some regeneration energy, it stinks, she loses focus on not regenerating and as the stinky orange glow enters her nostrils, it happens. This is also why the new Master is angry all the time, he regenerated through his arse.
Theory: Rassilon will return in the last episode of Chibnall's run (played by Jeremy Irons just picked that name out of the blue) and it features the Doctor, pick >whatever villain the doctor has faced before< (maybe a rouge dalek) and the master on Gallifrey still looking like it was in Skyfall part 2. During the episode, the doctor is injured in battle and she knows she is about to regenerate into the new version (which for the love of god announce it on April 1st for the lulz) and Rassilon has seen this basically tells her that she is the timeless child, in some regards however she can use her regeneration energy to write the wrongs of the timelords yada yada yada and recreate Gallifrey from the ground up, but at a cost. That would be the times the doctor lived before she became what fans of the show would consider being the first doctor (William Hartnell). A big explosion of light, Enemy has gone, Master goes missing, the Doctor regenerates into a new doctor, standing in the middle of the Cruisble of Gallifrey with everything wrong of Chibnals run undone and fresh canvas for the new showrunner. Or that's what I would do for the show.
Rassilon's return was actually expanded on in comic form, such a shame he didn't come back in the timeless children to tell the doctor that the master was talking out of his ass though...
@@thephasmidpharm459 yeah exactly it is only minor things, but it's nice that they had a character with it. You never really see characters that have it in media
@@thephasmidpharm459 ah yeah but I think they should have done a little more than they did, like he said in the video three companions is to much to properly explore things like that
See something that you mentioned in another video is to fix the “TimeLess Child” I’d to make it the master not the doctor but, something I think would be interesting is if the doctor was revealed to have more then average regenerations and the time lords just capped that to save them the trouble during the early days of Doctor Who but then unlocked the hidden ones in “The Doctors Name” to keep him alive so he could bring them back on a later date.
How Missy escaped: she shouted "I'm rubber and you're glue, everything you do to me you've now done to you!" This would have killed John Simms, so it created a paradox which resolved itself by plonking both Missy and the Master in Cheswick
Pardon me, I may have missed something, (I've been watching the Doctor for a long time, since I was a Californian pre-teen living in England in the 60's,) and I didn't think it was ever established who the current Master is a regeneration of. Has it been said he came before Missy? (Personally I hope Missy lives!) And I don't want it "paved over", I want Jo Martin's Doctor to be real. A future Doctor maybe? The Doctor after Jodie Whittaker (who I think's doing a great job,)? As always thank you so very much for your video.
Personally, I quite like the Timeless Child plot. So far, it is an interesting notion - to say the least - and I am very interested in seeing what Mr. Chibnall ultimately does with it.
Imagine: At the end of thirteen's tenure, it is revealed that she never was the doctor. The next doctor is the real thirteenth doctor. They used chameleon arch/metacrisis/something to make their companion Jodie to believe that she was the doctor.
I like these type of ideas. If I were to be made show runner, I'd reveal that Jodie's in an alternate universe, and the original universe of the show still exists, too. So everyone is happy, as no retconning of Jodie's Doctor occurs, but we can go back to the more normal Doctor Who with no Timeless Child.
Missy ripped off her mask revealing herself to be a younger version of the John Simm Master all along, causing a causality feedback loop that forced Simm to regenerate into Gomez.
14:12 Not the "endless regenerations" chestnut again. It was clearly stated that Tecteun imposed a limit of 12 regenerations on the Time Lords, and there's nothing to say that the Timeless Child/Doctor was exempted from this. Because it was the Timeless Child's own genes which gave the Time Lords the ability to regenerate, presumably Tecteun's 12-regen limit worked on the very same genes. Besides, we weren't told that the Timeless Child had infinite regenerations to begin with; the abillity could have fizzled out eventually, for all we know.
There is the possibility that the Daleks originally killed the Eleventh Doctor before he could regenerate, but the Time Lords just activated his regeneration, possibly with an extra kick, in order to use the regeneration energy as an offense against the Daleks.
Missy knew her past self’s prideful tendency to overlook the obvious/mundane. She took the blast like a champ, but diverted her regeneration energy into him, ensuring her own creation. She then went on to play rounds of solitaire and minesweeper on a Windows 95 PC until she got bored.
Whilst the doctor was unconscious in World Enough and Time, Missy goes ahead and steals some cyberman rocket boots which she then carries secretly all the way through the doctor falls. At the end of the doctor falls, when she supposedly "dies", she jumps through the holes that nardole made with the ship through the different layers (with her rocket boots) and steals a ship from the bottom layer, just like Nardole. "But how did she survive the blast?" I hear you ask. Easy. She remembered to bring a spare dematerialisation circuit so she obvs just brought some bottled regeneration juice. Badabim badaboom out comes Sacha Dhawan and there you go.
Missy remembered to bring along a vital piece of the TARDIS, so she could also have remembered to bring along some kind of protection against the energy beam that would kill her. After all, killing her happened in her past.
I think when the doctor fell in twice upon a time she went into a coma, then when she wakes up she'll regenerate into somebody new, that would explain the master being alive, timeless child being a thing and all of the bad storytelling that contradicts past episodes
Earlier in the episode missy was speaking to clara about how the doctor used energy blasts to charge a teleporter once he was surrounded. Missy ended up surrounded by darleks and even looked at the camera as if we should have known anyway. Thought it was super obvious she got away the same way.
But when Missy used that trick to transport herself and Clara out of there she said that it fried their Vortex Manipulators, which is what she used instead of a teleportation device, so they couldn't be used again.
How Missy escaped: she was actually inside the Teasalecta and then took the form of an evil war bumblebee and flew away, to Simm's tardis with him, lived on his tardis for a while, then left the tardis, got out the tesalecta and was promptly shot by a dalek and regenerated. Genius.
I feel like the Doctors Daughter thing could’ve been explored more because at the end of that episode Jenny is just off in space looking for adventures but she’s never really brought up again and that feels like a big missed opportunity.
I just wanna know what happened to The Doctors daughter, she whizzed off into space with him thinking she was dead, hello that could have been an iconic story???
A few good ideas 1. The Daleks try and crack the Skasis paradigm 2. An episode about jack and novice hame 3 . Underwater Autons as there’s plastic in the ocean 4. The daleks seen as squids underwater out of there shell
A way they could have made the timeless child interesting would be to make it the master but have the doctor as the first test subject thus giving him/ her more regenerations as the science wasn’t refined to 14 yet.
A great video concept... Top five introduction episodes of doctor who. Episodes that sum up doctor who that would get a friend interested in the show. Would be interesting to see what would be picked...
You forget; the Doctor brought down PM Jones with just four word. The “Golden Age of Britain” she was to usher in, never happened. (And thus allowed for the Master/Saxon a loophole to become PM).
Sorry to necro...but I just saw the video and THIS! I couldn't believe either James or Rich missed that Harriet Jones was deposed, did not serve the terms she was "supposed to" and that the Golden Age of Britain didn't happen (just like the Fourth Great and Bountiful Human Empire never happened. (Thank you, firefawkes--I thought I was going crazy for a bit there...)
Yeah Ryan's dyspraxia could've been better represented but you forgot to mention when Ryan threw that bomb at Cybermen and controlling the plane in Spyfall so some growth
