13 Reasons Why on Netflix is A BAD SHOW 

They had mental health professionals on set and then IGNORED them. These people told them not to show the suicide or rape and they ignored them and did it anyway. The show runners don't care about the mentally ill in my opinion, they just wanted a show that was gratuitous and shocking.

The top 3 things that frustrate me about 13 Reasons Why: - In having Hannah say "you are the 13 reasons why I killed myself", suicide is depicted as a revenge tactic; as a deliberate action to make others feel bad when suicide is solely the choice of the individual. The 13 people on the tapes should be held accountable for what they have respectively done, but they should not be blamed for her death. - Although I understand that Hannah wants the people who wronged her to feel how she felt, her decision regarding the tapes creates further conflict and emotional distress among the 13 individuals which snowballs into aggression and animosity. Particularly when you take Clay, for example, somebody who truly cared for and loved Hannah as a person, someone who did nothing wrong or mean, or intentionally hurtful towards her, he is put in a vulnerable position. Hannah asks the 13 listeners to devote substantial time to exploring her apparent reasons, even though 12 of them don't actually concern them. If she wanted to have each person understand how their actions truly affected her, she could have composed individual tapes or letters to the relevant people. Instead, her choices appear narcissistic and inflammatory. - As Katie mentioned, mental health and the resources available to people are not adequately represented. The only therapist in the show is the guidance counsellor and he is depicted as unhelpful and inept, which sends the message to young people that all mental health professionals are like this and that there is no benefit in attending therapy.

This show made me so angry. They ignored safe suicide reporting/portrayal guidelines, never mentioned mental health at all (aside from, she killed herself) and Hannah Baker was not a good person. She left 13 tapes but didn't bother leaving a note for her parents? She never actually talked to anyone, or explained anything, she just got mad, pushed people away and then blamed those people because they left. Like Clay's tape where she got mad at him for leaving when she told him to leave, several times. That and as much as I know the little things add up, been there before, but she put a kid who said she had a nice ass on the same level as a rapist, and blamed her friend that got raped because her FRIEND getting raped was one of the reasons she killed herself. I wish she'd talked to someone. Not just the dude at the end. I wish she'd tried to even interact with people, all she does is push them away and then blame them for not being there. I know depression makes you push people away, but you can't blame the people for not being there when you pushed them away. It's a hard pill to swallow, and something I had to learn for myself, but it's true. Goddamnit this show made me mad.

Possibly my biggest issue with the series is the fact that each 'triggering' scene was held onto for an over dramatic amount of time, in a way it felt as if it was mocking whatever situation was occurring.

Something I really hated was how no one helped Skye. Clay saw that she was cutting, but did nothing. Instead of getting a struggling person professional help, he just tried to be a good friend. If someone is self harming, you need to tell someone. There is only so much you can do by yourself.

i feel like so many of her reactions are because of her mental health like you can't really be angry at someone who doesn't know how to deal with their emotions healthily...i have bpd and i get suicidal over the smallest things and don't trust people when they're trying to help me or nice to me because it feels like they're lying. :/ (i know mental health doesn't excuse bad behavior--just explains it. i also agree with kati, and wished the show would have brought up actual mental health)

2:39 "because i love you" i know this might seem stupid but really thank you for that..

I wish she was more open with Clay

I watched the whole thing and have to admit that it was very triggering. It was like a tasty snack for the depression voice and it just kept feeding it. At the end I had to call my friend to sit with me through the night because I was in such a bad head space

I would LOVE to see your reaction to the show Crazy Ex Girlfriend (main character is diagnosed with BPD)

13 Reasons Why is such a manipulative show. It normalised suicide.

I understand that it's protocol for the school counselor to ask for more information so it can be reported, but not everyone will feel comfortable with doing that straight away. I wanted to talk to the school counselor when I was sexually assaulted just to talk and get my emotions in order and she asked for information. I didn't know she would report it and I had an anxiety attack in her office. She told my parents when I didn't want her to and my life has been different ever since. I still am constantly blaming myself for everything that happened and I can't get over it. I just feel reporting something like that would require a person to warm up to doing it rather than doing it straight away.

Hannah's neurotic and anti-social behavior existed before she was abused but they didn't play a large factor until she started keeping secrets that ended up hurting herself and everyone else.

While I totally understand your point of view, the show was written from the perspective of a teenage girl, not the perspective of outsiders looking in. As a teenage girl, I had no idea of the help available to me, nor did I feel comfortable seeking what I knew was available, nor did I really want to if I am honest. I also wasn't very logical and small things like what Zach did, blew out of proportion in my mind due to my mental illness issues. I had great parents, but I would never have ever reached out to them, we just didn't have that kind of relationship. For instance a meeting like the one she had with the school counsellor would have had me reacting the exact same way she did. Tbh the portrayal was scarily realistic of who I was at that age, how I viewed the world and how truely alone I made myself(even though I felt that it was everyone else who made me feel so alone). The scenes were dragged out and triggering but thats done for dramatic effect and also to show the harsh reality of what it really is like, its not pretty, it doesn't just end there, it is painful, it is scary and it goes on and on. I don't think the show was made to showcase how to deal with mental illness. I think it was made to showcase how disastrous high school can be on certain individual, how isolated some students are(whether its their "fault" or not) and how illogical the teenage brain is as well as how many warning signs there were.

I get what you are saying about how maybe some of her reasons were blown out of proportion, but maybe to her, in her mind, they seemed very intense and real. To someone with maybe say BPD, like I have, things like what Zach did can be very negatively impactful. And very hurtful. So maybe it hurt her in that way. Maybe it shouldn't have been worth making a tape over, but it could have made her suicidal.

I just watched season 2, it’s worse than season 1.

I agree with you so much but no one understood why I didn't like the show.

I know you didn’t but I really loved this show. I found it very helpful with my struggles because I could relate, although everyone says “reach out” and “people want to help you” from my experience it’s very difficult to find help. At school consulars are only there to make schedules and help plain for collage. And therapists cost money. If you don’t have a good relationship with your parents, any close friends, or any money, It can be really difficult to find help on your own (and sometimes you need more than a phone call or a chat room full of strangers)

While I see the points you made about the triggering scenes, I think the reason they did so was to do exactly what you said. To bring awareness and show people the reality of these events, and I don't necessarily agree that they should have cut away from the scenes. Staying in the scenes long enough to make people who haven't gone through these traumas feel triggered is the entire point. I think It's done so that everyone can kind of experience a portion of the feelings actual trauma survivors feel, which in my opinion is really important and something that needs to be talked about more. And also, this series is based on a book, so some of the things you are unhappy with are out of the filmmaker's hands. They had to stay true to the book so they couldn't really cut out the reasons they may have thought were "blown out of proportion."

I feel like 13 reasons why helped me. Watching the other seasons helped me to understand how distorted our view can be when we had depression and it made me question if things were as bad as I saw it around me. This happened when you’re depressed many times, everything is a lot more intense for us. Plus in the other seasons you can see the other characters who also had a lot of trouble getting better and it made me think that Hannah didn’t had that chance, wich made me think that suicide is not the best thing after all. It did helped me a lot when I was considering seriously to end my life. Also, the school in 13 RW had a counselor, Hannah did tried to reach out but he wasn’t properly trained.

A friend in high school killed himself to undoubtedly punish his parents and girlfriend. It's terrible, but it does occur.

even specialists said that graphical content especially suicide scene shouldn't be in show like that. good job doing research Netflix!

I just wanted to add something here about school counselors. while in this instance the "writers" could have made some nice choices to portray things in a positive light... the real world isn't always. I say this from personal experience, I was being severely emotionally and mentally abused by other students at my school... and when I finally went to see the school counselor and tried opening up about my issues and how I was feeling... the words out of his mouth were "Well what are you doing that makes them hate you" the COUNSELOR BLAMED ME for the abuse I was getting (which btw was about how ugly and worthless I was and why hadn't I committed suicide yet so that they wouldn't have to see someone so hideous)

Such great points! I would love to hear your thoughts on season 2.

When I was 14 I was extremely depressed and I seriously thought about talking to my guidance counsellor at school, but I the end I didn't. I didn't understand why I was so depressed and thought my family didn't have problems because my parents were Christians. Was I ever wrong! I wish I had sought help back then, but I felt that I didn't have any reasons for feeling the way I felt, and I honestly thought my school counsellor would think I was just wasting her time. My issues continued to get worse, and the problems in my so-called perfect Christian family kept getting worse. When I finally did seek help, the therapist insinuated that I must have been sexually abused as a child, and that I just didn't remember. That led me down a very dark road. I have been in and out of therapy for years, and still struggle every day. I've had many diagnoses, including PTSD and bipolar disorder. Anyway, sometimes I wonder how things would have turned out had I sought help at the age of 14.

I really liked it but holy crap, trigger central 😕 Had me low for a few weeks afterward.

Watching 13 reasons why seasonb1 was like a reminder of why i hated high school and sent me right back to being suicidal thoughts had to go back to see a therapist. That show really set me back.

100% agree. This show had such a large audience and did a terrible job portraying the accuracy of mental illness and suicide

I believe the show isn't aimed at people who are going through similar things its aimed at at bullies and the people who don't know much about suicide and such things thats why the graphic scenes were somewhat needed

Hi Kati, I think this is a great video even though I disagree with some of the things you mentioned. I agree that this show is triggering and that people who suffer mental illness will be more affected than "others". Maybe this show was meant for the "others"? And I also agree that it is unnecessary for them to line up a series of unfortunate events. So yes, there are many ways they could have done it better but chose not to. However it is a start. Personally, I found the show relatable. I was a victim of multiple bullying when I was still in school and the way they portrayed how a teen (or myself) would feel in that situation was similar to my experience. I think the show's goal is to bring awareness to parents, teachers, school counsellors, and "bullies". Yes the show is being dramatic, and yes I agree that the show did not provide enough resources. But aren't teenagers melodramatic anyway? At that point in my life, I reached out to teachers whom I thought I could confide in only to have them brush me aside. And I even tried to tell my parents who gently told me to suck it up (may not be the best way for them to handle it in such a manner but I bear no grudges towards them. Also, it might have been an Asian parent thing). Eventually, I lost faith that any adults could help. Melodramatic, I know. Anyway, keep doing what you do! I really enjoy watching your videos even though I'm still pretty new to your channel.

I had to stop watching it coz there were too many triggers for me

i´m so glad you made this video. now i feel less strange about not likeing the series. by the way in the chat (on the webside) we have talked alot about not likeing doctors today. which made me think of this question. how to react when multiple doctors have yelled at you?

I completely agree with your points about how they could have changed the show. However you brought up some of the reasons or triggers of her suicide being small and I just want to point out that how deep things are or how deep they can feel when your depressed and at the end at the end of your rope like Hannah, things are taken to the extreme because you already feel hopeless and irritable. I just wanna share my perspective 😊

if you are “triggered” by the show then why did you watch it, it literally says it in the title “13 Reasons Why” and explained the 13 Reasons Why Hannah killed her self. You signed up for it

Thank you so much for this video Kati! I was caught up in the hype of this show, and started watching without too much knowledge of what it was about. I was only able to make it through part of the 2nd episode before I realised that this was not good for ME. It brought up a lot of bad memories and bad thoughts for me, and I am happy that I was physically able to get up and shut it off whereas normally I would have not done so. But even with their supposed "trigger warnings" why. was. it. made. in. the. first. place? Like you said, they don't mention tools or mental health professionals that would have HELPED people. Ugh the show makes me angry too...

I think the school counselor completely failed her. I know it's part of the protocol but since this was the first time she had told anyone. He should have kept her there and got in contact with someone else. Her mother, a friend, a female counselor or a specialized rape counselor. He could have called anyone who she could probably open up to easier. He didn't even ask her more about her mental health. He didn't even ask if she had thoughts of hurting herself! Even after she said she felt totally lost. Also! I feel like the way he was wording it was very much putting the blame back on her. When she couldn't make herself say the word rape. Asking her if she just regretted it? Really? I can totally see why she would be so angry and defeated when she left that office. I very much agree that they could have added much more resources! That is for sure. The show is in no way perfect but I think they did a good job of truly showing things mostly for her perspective. People are not always fair to one another and some people do chose to leave this life with anger and resentment as well as other things. And it is very regrettable that they didn't mention or highlight her obvious and serious mental illness/ state in the show. Or highlight how incredibly secretive and easy it was for her to hide all of this from the people around her. This show is good at showing the perspective of a person who commits suicide and it leave everyone around them very confused and not understanding why. And even though she left these tapes that doesn't show the whole picture. That barely scratches the surface.

I read the book and although it is told through Clays pov I think they were trying to get at the fact that its really hard to reach out and maybe things could have been handled better but if things were handled properly all the time then no one would kill themselves. That would be wonderful. I just think maybe it was to stress how ignored and difficult Hannah's situation was. I see your points though.

I think the show was fantastic because it A) brings awareness to many taboo topics B) Hannah didn’t commit suicide as revenge and C) many of the reactions to certain things in the show were almost identical to a typical real life reaction tour average person would have and it’s important to see that and change how we react to these situations

As someone who has gone through mental illness and a very dark time of life, I was disappointed how much other people were blamed for her suicide. She left these tapes to haunt these people and although she had parents who were constantly trying to reach out, she left nothing for them. I found when I myself was in that situation, I felt very guilty about leaving my family and friends. I would mourn my own life for hours think heavily about my loved one's reaction and I felt it was very inaccurate that she wanted to haunt everyone that ever knew her. I just don't feel it ever works that way.

Thanks for this video Kati, you are absolutely right and I totally agree with you on most of the points you made. I think it's so important to see this show as "shock material" and prevent teenagers or any other kind of person struggeling with those issues from watching it because it might be really triggering and does barely include any ressources or ways of getting help. I also wanted Hannah to talk to her parents all the time and I don't know why she was couldn't open up to Clay, but I think this might be more or less a realistic situation because some people have a really hard time opening up and talking about her feelings. However all those bad things she has experienced would have been to much for anyone to deal with and I think that most of the people in the end would have gotten help. Also it seems very unrealistic to me that all those events happen in a row and that every single student at this school wants bad for her. Of course bullying is a serious issue and it happens and there are people who feel very lonely in those times and might not have someone (obvious) to reach out to. But the way it is shown in the series just makes me think of this Highschool as a crazy place - like you said, it is too exaggerated. My 14 year old sister has seen this series (if I had known I would have forbidden her to do so) and she didn't get triggered and took it very well (as she told me), the problem is that now she totally believes that it is a 100% realistic situation and that all Highschools in America have things like that going on, which is not true. She has some friends that also suffer from depression (or depressive periods) and self harm and now she might even think they are going to kill themselves without having any idea how to reach out for help WHICH IS THE IMPORTANT THING WE SHOULD TEACH TO OUR YOUTH!!! Well sorry for this long text, but I had to put my opinion here because I think it is so important what you said about the series. Thanks a lot Kati, also for your other videos and advice. When I watch your videos I always think I wanna become somebody like you someday :) Greetings Laura

Absolutely love this video! So many of the articles I've read in regards to the series, with as big a problem as it is, merely call out the show for its graphic suicide scene. In reality there are so many more subtle flaws with the programme as a whole. In all, the show missed a huge opportunity to be a voice for the reality of mental illness.

as someone who is diagnosed with major depressive disorder i can relate to not wanting to get help when im suicidal, if you really want to die you wouldnt try to get help because that would stop you from doing so

Your reaction and that of all the other youtube therapists is a good example why i lost hope in your profession... Most therapists I sat with were arrogant, unreflected, judging, thought they knew everything but never experienced it themselves and just said what they learned as facts, couldn't handle criticism... It just doesn't work! You can't learn it if you don't have the life experience yourself. It's not a job, it's a gift.

Ever since I've watched the series I became SO depressed that I feel suicidal all the time. I have depression but recently I was in a pretty happy place, getting my life planed and on track a little and now I'm in my bed all day feeling empty again. I honestly hate this series because it made every nightmare in my life come back to me with the double force. I regret watching it and if you ever had mental issues I would recomend DON'T watch it!

Also, the show left resources in their follow up show - the website is 13reasonswhy.info . There are numbers for people to get help.

The series made me realize what I say n do is very important. I could accidentally say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing that doesn't seem like much but in reality could save a life or end it.

Something that I don’t understand is why she never second guessed suicide I’ve survived attempts and contemplated it many times and out of those times I decided not too, it seems that how elaborate her plan was she never backed out which is surprising

My girlfriend is also a mental health care professional and learning from our conversations i couldn't disagree with you more about a lot of things you said...having more than one person in my life having been on suicide watch and been through both the proper route with seeking help as well as not this show hit a lot of very REAL points. Having talked to the friends of mine who have watched it they talk about going through the same problems nearly exactly. Things like feeling weak and a failure can easily prevent you from talking to your parents, or perhaps knowing they have money issues persuades you from thinking you couldn't afford the help and they can't be bothered to help you because of all the things they have going on. The very graphic scenes were too far i can agree with. Also maybe i'm just speaking from my own city/country but most school councilors here have little to no psych training at all and in fact they only hire teachers because of the union which often leaves for very few of them having any experience with much on the life counselling and are there to give you tips about your career. Mentioning the rape....you working in your industry you know how little it's reported let alone say the persons name and you expect her to talk freely about it in a school office? At the end of the day your last comment about not doing a good job bringing awareness to the topic.....you're talking about it just as everyone here in the comments and many other people around the world i'm sure who have watched it or not so i think it did a pretty good job spreading awareness. The whole point to awareness is to try and get the people who need help to come into your office for help....if it was as easy as you believe it is to just go or talk to someone we wouldn't need any awareness..

I completely understand why all of this was frustrating for you and I agree they should've mentioned mental health services. I do have to disagree that they should've shown her at a therapist because that gives people the excuse that therapy doesn't work because she ultimately killed herself. I think the best way would've been to have the other students mention the mental health services during the aftermath. Maybe showing one of them getting help. (Someone like Alex) I also think the Zach incident where he takes her notes made sense because those notes gave her self worth. The stop sign one didn't make too much sense to me though.

Hello! Long time viewer, first time commenter :) I'm already struggling (maybe not relating?) 04:00 in or so where you're discussing Hannah's reasons for including Zach within the tapes and expressing a dislike for her character due to her outbursts. I found Hannah to be expressing her despair and distrust in the world around her. She felt tortured, a mistrust in her peers, she sought to find the 'truth' (hence planting traps), and despite having a mature vocabulary, she was young. Everything weighed down and compounded Hannah in the end. You also express that you wish Hannah would have spoken about her problems. I believe Hannah shows a side of suicide and mental illness that doesn't get much focus and is very much why 13RW is needed. I related to her character in the simple fact that for so many years I just couldn't speak the thoughts in my head, to anybody. I was always 'fine'. We exist. Hannah's exist. You state it would have been so simple to have her speak to a crisis hotline, but it's not that easy, not when you're in so deep. Some of us are programmed differently... Our voices become paralyzed. On the sexual assault scenes, they were indeed graphic, but they were relatable. Actually having that numbness you feel be so visible was helpful. While I do agree that they may be triggering for many individuals, I feel that these scenes, in particular, will do positive things for teens in high schools and on campus' across the globe. Lastly, the suicide scene was hard to watch, and it was protracted, I agree with that. I do however see the 'positive' that it showed that suicide is not easy, it is painful, and it will hurt. This is not what most want when they decide to end their varying kinds of pain. Viewer discretion is a must; you have to be in the right frame of mind to safely watch this show. Consider watching it with a support person & teens, maybe a parent/guardian. I found value in it, as did many, but would suggest Netflix add trigger warnings throughout the eps OR a clean edit.

When I was being severely bullied in elementary school I saw a therapist and she made it seem like it was my fault and I was lying to get attention, and that my bully was a angel and wouldn’t hurt a fly. So I could see a lot of people have trust issues after negative experiences with horrible burnt out therapists. So even if they had therapists available that may not be helpful to everyone.

I’m a therapist and watched the series because I knew my clients would (despite my recommendation that no one should). I agree- very few redeeming qualities. I didn’t read the book so I can’t speak to the decisions Netflix made about how they would tell the story. What I do know is that ER visits for suicidal ideation and suicidality increased as did Suicide rates following the first season. I can’t believe this show was approved for a second and third season. I couldn’t watch the episodes back to back because I spend most of my time doing progress notes so it took me longer to get through it and I was aware of my mood shifting. I felt sad and depressed not just while I was watching but between episodes and for some time following the end of the first season. I agree completely. Should have been pulled. To the Bone should be pulled as well.

I was triggered by the actual suicide scene

I love you, Kati! Thanks for this much anticipated video! ❤️❤️❤️ Proud to be a subscriber #kinions

I agree with everything but this tv show taught me how sad a death feels like especially when the cause of the death is the person who died themselves. this tv show told me about how serious a suicidal matter is. especially when the person is harassed, but i agree. it got me really sad and quiet for months

I hope everyone who read the book / watched the show will find this video. THANK YOU for your thoughts Kati 💖

Please do a season 2 review, too.

I'm not defending the show but in my high school (this was also in the 90s) there was barely any mental health professionals access. It was not as accessible as it should be. I suffered depression as a teen and it found it extremely difficult to talk to adults. There was something about depression that skewed my perception of other people. You just think they would judge you. I remembered calling a helpline and not feeling very heard and then feeling very alone in the world. To a certain extent, I was Hannah, that girl who wouldn't reach out to anyone because I didn't feel like I could; I didn't trust anyone. It took a mental breakdown to help me realize that my mom was a fantastic listener and would do what it took to get me mentally healthy. My take away from this show was that teens needed to talk more to their parents so it doesnt result in something terrible. If someone had just said something to the adults, alot can be prevented. Unfortunately teens dont talk to their parents...when they really should.

That was exactly what i thought. Of course we dont know why she is acting like that, but I also see it the way you do. Everybody is like omg yes this show is amazing. Yes it has very important messages in it, but it was kinda cold. I wasnt able to feel with the characters, and im a really emotional person. It was kinda distanced. I think its a good show, but they handled the very sensitive topic not as good as it has to be. (Im sorry im german, i dont know if my grammar is correct)

I became suicidal in sophomore year of high school. Give or take four years later, I'm getting help; I have weekly therapy appointments that I've been going to for about 2 months. I'm in college now. I did not seek help in high school, because my mom, as well as being a toxic parent, doesn't believe in therapy or mental illness. I just wanted to point out, yes there might be more and more options for help nowadays but it's not always an option for kids still under their parents' reign.

Let me tell you this, we at our school have resources but almost nobody know about them. I have said clearly i would like help when having panick attacks etc, then they LIE and tell me there s no one who could help me because they don’t want me to get “therapy” from 2 people while one is litteraly just for crisis

Talking about it isn’t always about having the opportunity to but also about having the courage to talk to someone.

please watch 13 reasons why the reasons behind it. it helps clear so much of what ur asking. I was triggered by this show but I'm glad it's out their. please don't hate me x

I disagree with your analysis. I have depression, I’ve attempted suicide once, and I’ve been committed to a psych ward. This show explained everything that happened in my head during that dark period in my life. I’ve had thoughts like “if I was dead I wonder if anybody would feel bad for how they treated me”. I’m not saying it’s right or healthy, but it’s a thought I’ve had multiple times. Her friends weren’t super nice to her, her parents weren’t emotionally available for her to talk to, and the guidance counselor wasn’t willing to help. She was bullied and raped. I feel like they didn’t include all of the mental health aids because, well, then she wouldn’t have killed herself. This show was a cautionary tale for what happens when mental health is ignored. It’s not about a bullied girl with all the help in the world making a full recovery. And yes I agree that it was triggering. I had a panic attack watching the suicide scene. I ignored the trigger warning and chose to watch it alone. They could’ve made it shorter, or even better, they could’ve had an auto skip before and after the graphic scene. But I’m happy I watched it and I think it’s an important look into how a hopeless person thinks

My friends in my class (I'm in year 8) kept on saying "omg did you see 13rw it's soooo sad" and "It's such a good show" and even more disgusting things. The fact that anyone my age is watching this show is sick and I hate it so much. The graphic depictions suicide and all the issues addressed in this video (which is on point btw) is just a moneymaking scheme and they don't actually want to help anyone with it. My mum committed suicide a couple of years ago, when there weren't enough mental health places in the UK and even mind (the leading mental health charity here) said they couldn't help and I know whats it's done and how its affected not only mine but the people who knew her. We didn't need 13 reasons why Hannah killed herself, we needed 13 reasons why suicide isn't the best option and how help has improved and gotten better and how to access it.

Would you be able to talk about panic/anxiety disorder & the problems with psychosomatic illnesses or obsessions with illnesses or health based on anxiety or obsessive thoughts?

I am a sexual assault survivor and 13 reasons why was extremely triggering for me. They do give warnings before each episode, but like Kati said, The assault scenes in my opinion as well, are way too long and too graphic. They didn’t need to be that detailed to get the point across. For example if you haven’t seen it there’s one scene in a hot tub where she is being assaulted. And instead of it just showing The point of assault it keeps going. I understand they’re trying to get the emotion across and show the fear but for someone who has been in that situation it was too much to see it going on and on. But again this is just my opinion.

In my school a 14 years old girl killed herself and the school didn't even talk about it. And even the other students didn't talk about it.

As a parent of a teen and someone who struggled with depression when I was younger, you hit the nail on the head here. I was so disappointed. I’d read the book years ago but never expected a show that was seemingly aimed partially at teens to handle it this way.

There are some points I have to agree with on this but I personally went through a severe depression and suicidal plan when I was 13. My depression caused me to "not fit in" and being that we were coming into the age of defining who we were at school, my friends were focused on their image and I was ruining it with my quietness and sadness. From my point of view I wasn't worth helping and they didn't seem to hang around me anymore and my depression rose great anger and bitterness toward myself and everyone. I hated myself and everyone around me. On the inside I was hurt and desperately wanted someone to reach out and show they truly cared about me, but whenever anyone tried to connect with me I was so mentally dark at the time that I lashed out at anyone that tried. I was like a disease to myself but I would never admit it. I could have reached out to a counselor or my parents but I was too scared of judgement or what they might think of me. Although she wasn't making the right choices, I saw a lot of myself in Hannah. I think they just want to show that some people like Hannah or me don't make sensible decisions when dealing with depression. They avoid getting help even if it's the only thing they want, and I feel like that's something people would only understand if they went through it. When watching the show I agree some of the points were highly exaggerated and silly, but when you're young everything feels like the end of the world and I think they were trying to portray that side of teenage youth. That although very serious things might be troubling a teenager, something very small added on seems like the final dig. I could also relate to that looking back. In the end I reached out to a friend the day I planned on committing suicide and she skipped her classes to sit and talk with me. No it wasn't handled professionally and it should have been, but she was only 12 or 13 at the time and her first instinct was to sit with me and be a friend and show love to me. By the grace of God it worked and I got better from there and told my parents. In real life sometimes things aren't handled correctly and I think they were focused more on the real life aspect than on what people should do. Is this what they should have done? I don't know. People definitely need to be more educated in what they should do, but I have to say I appreciate the approach they tried anyway because it felt authentic (in some ways) because it's exactly what I went through. Depressed people need to be taught it's okay to get help and it's okay to admit that you're depressed. Maybe Kati should recreate the show and act out what you should actually do haha, thank you for covering this show-- I do think it's a very important topic.

Crisis hotlines are the worst I told my story and the Person I talked with did not tell me the police were coming they came and I was so embarrassed I said it was a prank.

Exaclty what I was thinking! It's sort of promoting suicide 😭😭 it's really not a smart TV show!

I feel like this show just puts a hollywood spin on real mental health issues. They have such a big platform and they could have used it in a different way. Instead they just keep adding horrible, triggering things for shock factor. I feel like a show that is about suicide is okay, if done properly and in a way that educates people without upsetting people too much. And they just keep going with more and more seasons, when so many people are angry about it. There have been letters in school that went around to parents to be careful about allowing their kids to watch it because it was causing so much of an issue.

I refuse to watch this show. I have a teenaged daughter. All of her friends that normally sit around being mean to everyone and bullying each other LOVED this show. Facebook was so full of bull with teens "crying" and being "in their feels" from watching it......only to turn around and mistreat each other maybe even MORE than before! It simply gave them a platform to be phony and the center of attention. I just can't deal with that amount of narcissism.....especially when I have dealt with depression and suicidal tendencies since I was about 10. It's a shame that they didn't make this to be more helpful like you suggested.

7:22 Me: That's just it Kati. Teens shows in general NEVER illustrates mental health solutions/services. The media always portrays about the teen problems and how they're all alone and how it's up to them to take care of it themselves. :(

It's so interesting to hear your point of view on this series. I disagree on most things unfortunately. I watched this in a time I was suffering with post partum depression. I think this show was extremely frustrating to watch Hannah not reach out when she had so many opportunities. But I think it just show cases how hard some people like myself find it so so hard to open up to any one. I would have definitely liked to of seen more help involved in the episodes.

I'm actually someone who has been suicidal and has lost friends and family to this issue, and the book meant so much to me growing up. I feel bad that the show has basically ruined the way that people see the book, even though they're not very similar at all. In the book, the story is very insular as Clay receives and listens to the tapes. This all takes place in one night, so it really deals with how Hannah felt (growing hopelessness and desperation, then the warning signal of acceptance and gift giving) and how Clay feels as he realizes that he didn't actually know what was going on with this girl (an important reminder to self-centered teens that everybody has complex internal worlds). This sidesteps the issues of all of the high school drama between Clay's classmates and leaves the door open for the readers to believe that Clay would seek resources to cope with this added stress. IDK, but I'd be interested to hear your take on the novel.

Unfortunately there are bad therapists and counselrors in the world... When I was in college for the first year I went to my college counselor admitting that I had probpems with eating disorders, depression, and substance abuse and she basically concluded that I needed more "will power"... No recovery programs no outsode help, just to try harser... It was very disheartening :\

I agree that this show has some very triggering content and should probably not be watched by everyone, but I think it was very important for them to make scenes like the rape and the suicide so uncomfortable to watch. People need to be woken up about these things and how painful and awful of a situation Hannah and other Victims are in. I'm going to stop explaining here because I don't feel like I would do it justice. Instead, I recommend that everyone takes the time to watch "13 Reasons Why: Beyond the Reasons" after watching "13 Reasons Why". I think it is essential that both are watched as a package. Thank you so much for all your videos, Kati! I'm extremely happy that I found you here on RU-vid.

Yes!!!!!!! Actually opening up to our parents is the MOST effective way ... I am a teen and I've suffered a lot... With bullying and stuff. When I feel miserable, hopeless and worthless, I just sit with my dad/mom and speak. . speak out!!! If you have suicidal thoughts... !!!!!!

I read this book sometime ago and it really upset me. I agree that things could have been done differently. But I also totally understand why she felt this way. Strangly, I don'tremember if there was actually a rape. What I remember is that all started with her desperate desire to be liked by guys and have a small affair. The fact that an innocent kiss turned to a total defamation of her character worked as a trigger which determined the outcome. The way I see it, her biggest problem was that she didn't try to change her behaviour like trying to stand them up. She kept being nice, smiling and hoping for their mercy. So, probably, nobody guessed what she was going through. And she kept being nice with the guys who didn't deserve such attitude at all. In the end, even before the suicide, it looked like she gave up and got to that pool which looks pretty much like suiciding or at least self-harming. Probably, she didn't turn to her parents or a mental-health specialist because she was ashamed and afraid they would accuse her as she started with flirtation and kept doing this.

You explained the problems of the show so so well. Thank you.

I always wonder why it's rare to see people use all the resources available, but as much as I hate to say it, I feel like the show hit all the problems we really have with suicide awareness and prevention because even though there are so many techniques bystanders could use, and resources for those who are struggling with suicidal thoughts, the stigma is still there that reaching out is going to mean hospitalization, or potentially ruining your career. Especially in the military... It's really unfortunate. I dream of the day this stigma and judgment goes away.

I agree, when I went to high school my senior year, one of the students in my grade had killed themselves the night before and the school had our first hour classes tell us that we had a therapist there to talk to.

This could be completely wrong but I felt that the reason that some of the issue such as with Zach were over dramatisez was because Hannah was a teenager and I know for myself personally when I was a teen I was so over dramatic and things that upset me or made me sink further into myself wouldn't be the same as things I feel today, overall I felt that the show wouldn't have worked at all (in terms of people like Zach or even Sherrie) if Hannah wasn't a teenager. Sorry if I rambled hope that made sense!

season 2 is even worse with the triggering scenes going on for too long. I've read the book twice and watched both seasons and I see what they were trying to get across and I get that when you're a teen everything seems so final but they definitely crossed a line multiple times (with the series) the book from what I remember leaves more things to be implied. Plus the 2nd time I read the book for a club we had a skype Q & A with the author he said something along the lines of "In order for hannah to have a "happy ending" She had to be honest with herself and take responsibility for herself & her actions, but she doesn't"

Completely agree I was 14 when I started watching this show was a realy big trigger for bad depleessiok causes me to attempt suiciee twice realy big trigger n I can’t hear the songs anymore what they play from the show realy dark and realy effects meb

Always appreciate your opinions and videos. I have struggled with suicidal depression and this show actually helped me a lot. Seeing the effects of Hannah’s decision on everyone else. I know it’s not the same for everyone of course. But I found a lot of encouragement from the show. Thanks again for what you do!

I think the point the show was trying to get across with the counselor was that he was victim blaming hannah, and hannah was not ready to really admit to other people that she and her friend were raped since she had barely just admitted it to herself recording the tapes. And then when the school counselor was pressuring her for names and making her feel like he was blaming her that she got mad and ran out. And then the counselor didn't run after her or anything when he could obviously see the distress she was in.

*spoilerrr* I felt like Hannah killed herself to spite people. Not because she had the final tragic symptom of depression.

I get why there’s a sense of the suicide being for revenge but it wasn’t to me like she’s saying oh I’m going to kill myself for revenge she was also in pain and felt like nobody was there

So many people in the comments try to justify the actions of Hannah by saying "she's just a teen!" "Help is not always available" "this is the reality of the situation!" Which is half true but her actions are not justifiable. As a guy who's sixteen years old and wasn't allowed to seek out help until last week when I was admitted to the counseling office, I completely understand that help is not always available but that does not mean I am allowed to abuse others and blame my suicide attampts on anyone but myself. My past abuser did this for a year and a half and it ruined my fucking shit lmao it's so fucking offensive that y'all think 13rw is the reality of "the situation." Granted, this shit happens but it is not justifiable. I swear the Joker movie just came out like there isn't enough room for MORE clowns.

I'm so glad I trusted my instincts and didn't watch this shit show.

Lol a good point about this video is that it addresses how people address zombies in zombie flicks. We, the viewers, call them zombies and know that they are basically zombies but it's as if the word zombie doesn't exist in their world. For example in the walking dead rick and his group call them walkers while other groups call them biters. I like how you address how the characters in 13 reasons why never seem to consider if anything was related to mental health. Its like in the Drama genre the world mental health is taboo because of they find a way to solve the problem in the tv show then that wouldn't be "exciting". However, people who view this type of tv show as exciting have some type of mental health issue because they just flat out refuse to acknowledge that fact that suicide happens more often for things like depression rather than "oh I killed , because he didn't sleep with me!!". This show had a lot of golden opportunities because it had Netflix as the publisher and Netflix has a huge fan base but instead of educating people they decide to turn this tv show into a whole lot of nothing. Pisses me off somehow

I cries when she go to her parents and open up something about it

I think the school counselor should have spoke to the headteacher, crisis team, safeguarding or something? I had a 6th form meeting and I basically said if I wasn't allowed to do the subject blocks I wanted to i was going to hurt myself (this seems extreme but the subject was something I had fixated on for years and ties into some mental health issues I have) and the teachers rang at 6pm that evening (4 hours later so they clearly didn't care that much) to tell my parents they where concerned for my safety because of what I said. Surely the counselor should of done something like that?

I really believe what Hannah went through is the unfortunate truth depressed individuals go through... We just can't reach out... Especially when you're talking to an adult and they say "it's all because of your mobile, friends, eating habits, etc" or worse...no adult or therapist you could trust Yes...it is a vulnerable show and people already in that sort of mindset shouldn't watch it but normal people and bullies should definitely do...

I haven't seen the show, but commenting on the part about having therapists at school, I wish my school had that. Maybe I would have been able to get diagnoses for ADHD and ASD, instead of paying thousands as an adult in university... But I went to private school, and a few of the teachers were great to talk to, but still didn't have all the knowledge and advice I would have liked. I think they're working on stuff there now, but small schools really don't get the help I wish they did. Some of the teachers bullied people, which made it harder, and there were some issues when I was there that seem to be resolved according to friends who graduated after me. I'm glad things are at least being mentioned.

I found knowing people cannot read our minds are so important. If you try to cover your anger and disappointment but you actually need help or at least you need to get things out of your chest, it would accumulate to some severe mental or physical issues. That's what this show tried to tell us in a tragic way but for the real world and for people who suffer, it works as a positive reminder.

When I was about to attempt suicide, I forgot all about what lead to me becoming that way. All I was able to think about was how I was very insignificant and I felt that I could never get out of my sadness which felt like a literal bottom less pit. Edit: I reached out to everyone and no one listened except my best friend. When I reached out to one of my other best friends, she said "same".