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In the first two weeks of the Fall semester, California State University, Northridge screenwriting professor Eric Edson presents PowerPoint lessons to the entering first year grad MFA class. In the second class he covers 6 of the 14 character types. Here is the full inside look at the lecture.
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@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
**WATCH** Eric Edson’s first class ‘Learning Screenplay Story Structure’ - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iywvNIWKbPI.html
@davidparker7216
@davidparker7216 2 года назад
This clases are a goldmine. Hope to see Edson again
@alexfakus336
@alexfakus336 2 года назад
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@alexfakus336 2 года назад
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@michaelgoncharov2075
@michaelgoncharov2075 4 года назад
25:42 Adversary. Personification of unbeatable opposition for the Hero. 51:25 Love interest. Pushes the Hero into character growth through sexual conquest. 1:13:05 Sidekick. Remains loyal and provides counsel. 1:22:17 Mentor. Passes skills, wisdom or life-saving gift. 1:33:28 Endangered innocent. Provides strong subplot with the goal and the ticking clock. Other 9 categories: the Hero, gate guardian, adversary agent, independent troublemaker, comparison ally, comic ally, hopeful savior, cheerleader ally, helper-follower ally. All characters contribute to the story, except atmosphere ones. Characters never change category, only hide intent.
@severussin
@severussin 4 года назад
Michael Goncharov thank you
@aminahisra4410
@aminahisra4410 3 года назад
Thank you
@nelsonsavage4635
@nelsonsavage4635 3 года назад
Cheers lad
@hnttakata713
@hnttakata713 3 года назад
Thanks for notes
@suningchen
@suningchen 3 года назад
Is there a diagram or a picture for these 14 characters? Because I can't find any online.
@memebharatiofficial5224
@memebharatiofficial5224 2 года назад
0:00 👉 14 Characters 17:27👉 5 hero traits 25:42👉 writing the antagonist 51:25👉 Love interest 1:13:05👉Writing the sidekick 1:22:17👉 Writing the mentor 1:33:28👉 Endangered innocent
@petergreen5337
@petergreen5337 10 месяцев назад
Thank you very much.
@HarishAgastya
@HarishAgastya 9 месяцев назад
Thank you 🙏
@eskildsen2873
@eskildsen2873 Год назад
I would watch Eric Edson's classes for hours! He is so humble and smart. I would like to see him more often in Film Courage.
@user-ue1jl7gf3h
@user-ue1jl7gf3h 4 года назад
This channel is seriously awesome! FULL lectures from masters of screenwriting is not just usefull, its honestly motivating. Especially during those "stay home" times. Thanks for that
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 4 года назад
Thanks, we appreciate you spending time on this channel. Stay safe and keep creating!
@citycrusher9308
@citycrusher9308 2 года назад
@@filmcourage @36 - 50 - Sideways was a depressing film. The whole premise - Guys, when you are dumped, get over it. The closest thing to the female version would be ''The Upside of anger'' - only the ex husband doesn't get a happy ending
@citycrusher9308
@citycrusher9308 2 года назад
@@filmcourage @57:00 - the wife is the endangered innocent? When the men are the ones in danger? For you to even suggest that is sad (with a capital P and a small ''athetic'')
@oldepersonne
@oldepersonne 2 года назад
@@citycrusher9308 So are you saying that the wife/kids will hardly notice if their husband/father are killed in space?
@EVERYDAYSI
@EVERYDAYSI 2 года назад
I’m really learning so much
@tekannon7803
@tekannon7803 3 года назад
Good teachers are things we all cherish and remember from our days in class, but Professor Edson brings teaching to an entirely new level. This is real teaching.
@petergreen5337
@petergreen5337 10 месяцев назад
Agreed
@arzabael
@arzabael 4 месяца назад
Is this information right though? Or is it right now? There are surely fixed Aristotelian laws being described, but essentially conventional teaching on writing will always be a matter of the mentors preceding the instructor. In a small town where many have had the same mentors, something that’s simply right now, can be perceived as something that is right. We can’t do any of the same things in movies. Everything has to be subverted at some point, so the rules will always change, and we are living in a window of time where the rules are the way they are. Rigidity toward them though is surely the easiest way to crack.
@thezenviking8191
@thezenviking8191 2 года назад
Incredible watching this for free. Every field of study at universities should have a certain percentage of lectures be digital. For example 1 for each course, before being in the classroom. Bringing competition and raising the standard, and giving everyone some shared knowledge
@ChrisKtheHealthGuy
@ChrisKtheHealthGuy Год назад
I'm so glad to be able to hear this wisdom since this quality of teaching was not available in my liberal arts College.
@brandsintel
@brandsintel 3 месяца назад
I could listen to this Prof throughout the day. Made me miss class all over again ❤🙏👌
@zerocells
@zerocells 2 года назад
The passion this guy exudes makes me want to listen to him all day.
@SuperIrish98
@SuperIrish98 4 года назад
He's the best lecturer on screenwriting and this is the best channel for filmmaking. Thank you!
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 4 года назад
Cheers!
@poeticalgore6500
@poeticalgore6500 4 года назад
Jill Chamberlain is much better (she has videos on here) and she makes a great case for what she says.
@satioOeinas
@satioOeinas 3 месяца назад
@@poeticalgore6500what does she do better?
@arzabael
@arzabael 4 месяца назад
A great man analyzing great films with great insight into them, is a truly great thing. I almost feel like tearing up during each film summary.
@AaronBreezeComposer
@AaronBreezeComposer 3 года назад
Eric Edson is everything you want in an educator! Fantastic!
@ComicPower
@ComicPower 3 года назад
Absolutely
@icanrelate
@icanrelate 3 года назад
100%
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 4 года назад
Which part of this lecture was most helpful to you?
@vitorbalbino8024
@vitorbalbino8024 4 года назад
You know, You know, from beginning to end!
@DBSG1976
@DBSG1976 4 года назад
The first part alone made me eliminate several characters from a story I'm working on. I thought that principal characters served the plot and that supporting characters fleshed out the world. Since every character must serve the plot...the list of characters has shrunk by quite a few. Thanks for the vid!
@Wearethemakerss
@Wearethemakerss 4 года назад
story structure
@AnastaciaMary
@AnastaciaMary 4 года назад
The types and purposes of the characters, the traits that must exist to properly create them, and the examples given for each.
@mohammadrezasafari2957
@mohammadrezasafari2957 3 года назад
Cannot wait to watch the other categories features🌹❤️ hope for it!
@kevintheagle
@kevintheagle 3 года назад
This channel keeps giving me so much to work with.
@PeterStawicki
@PeterStawicki 2 года назад
First and foremost this man is a fantastic professor and secondarily it would be really nice if they gathered up all the people in Hollywood and force them to actually take his class
@incognitomcde1360
@incognitomcde1360 2 года назад
The last thing we want is those lunatics to insinuate their propaganda subtlety in a competent story.
@michaelvoorhees7812
@michaelvoorhees7812 2 года назад
@@incognitomcde1360 XD
@poulwinther
@poulwinther 2 года назад
You think more than 10% of them are clever enough to learn anything?
@NY_LA
@NY_LA 2 года назад
I can not articulate how valuable these videos are. Thank you so much. For anyone else reading, Keep Creating! Tell your stories like only you can
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Great to see you finding value here Amira! Also great to see that we aren't the only ones who enjoyed this class!
@Brandon.manga.
@Brandon.manga. 3 года назад
Thank you to everyone involved in allowing me access to this video. I just learned so much I will be rewatching this over and over!
@reelscreenwriting8940
@reelscreenwriting8940 4 года назад
Screenwriting Lectures are my guilty pleasure, thank you for this :)
@AnastaciaMary
@AnastaciaMary 4 года назад
Professor Edson is such an excellent teacher! All of the examples make the theory so clear. Thank you for this!
@nebilimney
@nebilimney 3 года назад
That's more than a masterclass! Thanks for sharing! I took notes of each tips. I will specially thank to you and Eric Edson for the insights in my first published story :)
@ShekarRangarajan
@ShekarRangarajan 3 года назад
Brilliant thought provoking teacher par excellence. He is so encyclopaedic and graphical in describing the nuances of every scene from a range of movies.
@WillSellHomes
@WillSellHomes 3 года назад
Great lectures always learn something new. Thank you Professor Edson.
@by_katrin
@by_katrin 8 месяцев назад
Eric Edson has no idea what he's talking about. He said "Thank you for your patience" He is so humble and has no clue that I would hang on his lips for hours! 😀 Best wishes from Switzerland and thank you a thousand times for this Masterclass for free on RU-vid) ♥
@brandsintel
@brandsintel 3 месяца назад
No clue at all. For hours and hours and hours ❤👌
@FlipArt57
@FlipArt57 Год назад
Although I watch other interviews from Film Courage, Eric Edson I can say I learned the most. I recorded all of his lectures and listen to em fanatically. Not a dull moment. I wish he was here in San Diego where Writing Classes are $$$, but I'd PAY for his classes.
@cultoay0utube
@cultoay0utube 2 года назад
LOL Every time that Eric asks "have you ever seen this movie?" the students are like ??? They must be in their first semester... or maybe he confused the classroom for the cinema studies with the driving school.
@bootsthecat6718
@bootsthecat6718 2 года назад
I would love to hear him transition into going over traffic regulations after the first hour
@RichardHannay
@RichardHannay 2 года назад
“Uh, sir, this is an AA meeting”
@anavonrebeur6121
@anavonrebeur6121 2 года назад
Shameful how illiterate and icinemated they aré.
@brianregan75
@brianregan75 2 года назад
@@anavonrebeur6121 yeah you would think for a screenwriting “masterclass” they would know their classic films. Should be a prerequisite lol
@anavonrebeur6121
@anavonrebeur6121 2 года назад
@@brianregan75 its torture for the teacher haaa
@joannkelly7994
@joannkelly7994 2 года назад
I love this man and how he teaches. Thank you and God bless,
@nicolearetz2703
@nicolearetz2703 Год назад
I learn so much here! Thank you! Without you, I would never have the chance to listen to Prof. Edson.
@daichimax
@daichimax Год назад
Thanks for Sharing Eric's invaluable knowledge. This video is a Master Class!!!
@filmcourage
@filmcourage Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@GIJha
@GIJha 2 года назад
This was wonderful! Thank you for putting this series together
@wattpadusergeek342
@wattpadusergeek342 3 года назад
I really like how he described the difference between novels and visual storytelling at the beginning. As a novelist using Film Courage videos as part of my self-made creative writing curriculum (thanks for the opportunity Covid19) it was important to hear this in order to avoid becoming rigid in my writing by taking the screenwriting concepts as the only gospel truth for writing. The human mind is funny that way, preferring to filter down information as much as possible to a specific category (why social media works like a charm) and it’s important to realize this and not get stuck in a bubble of specific teachings (why the current academic system doesn’t work as well, generally).
@Leto85
@Leto85 3 года назад
Thank you for this lesson. I hope that in future ones the other character types will be discussed.
@darrengrenfell9225
@darrengrenfell9225 3 года назад
Excellent - absolutely excellent. Thank you all for sharing this
@IndyAtlanticCity
@IndyAtlanticCity 2 года назад
I can watch this over and over - sooo good!
@Tubeflux
@Tubeflux 2 года назад
Great lesson. Very charismatic and motivating professor. That's the way!
@janejohnson1750
@janejohnson1750 Год назад
I was a Hemingway fan too in my teens but remember Pilar younger. All his books very full of imagery
@brittsade3713
@brittsade3713 2 года назад
This was exactly what I needed. Thank you.
@j-new6278
@j-new6278 3 года назад
So great, excellent job Eric Edson!!!!
@LDEPOV
@LDEPOV 4 года назад
Awsome lecture! I'm Hooked. In the story whether good or bad, write each character with a purpose. It has to move the story.
@robertdufour2456
@robertdufour2456 2 года назад
Thank you, professor. I thoroughly enjoyed your lecture. I will be watching it again and again.
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Thanks for posting Robert, we are glad you discovered this one.
@allanredhill8682
@allanredhill8682 2 года назад
Great lecture - its also very helpful for comic scripts, as Im writing it similar to a screenplay
@PixelateForWork
@PixelateForWork 2 года назад
Superb upload. Can't thank you enough for the fundamentals this channel has helped expose people to.
@gp3256
@gp3256 3 года назад
Outstanding fresh perspectives.
@jeremybarnes7873
@jeremybarnes7873 2 года назад
Thoroughly enjoying these lectures. Delighted to have found them. Thank you.
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
You're most welcome!
@ComicPower
@ComicPower 3 года назад
This is awesome. I learned so much.
@wendillasfam
@wendillasfam 2 года назад
the most useful knowledge for writers, what a great teacher! I need the list of the movies, as his students I haven't watched no even half of them! but I will buy the book because it is all so interesting, thank you!
@jimsizzle5288
@jimsizzle5288 2 года назад
This video has helped me more than words describe......
@princeprasad8272
@princeprasad8272 3 года назад
Film courage thankyou so much for providing great lectures from the masters ....
@JMaynardGelinas
@JMaynardGelinas 3 года назад
The interviews are good. But actual course lectures and syllabi would be a great addition to this channel.
@frankjames8278
@frankjames8278 4 года назад
Great lecture. Character is everything. Will really have to dig into this book more. Get the character right and the rest will follow. Hopefully was successful in my current web series. Keep up the great videos
@DBSG1976
@DBSG1976 4 года назад
Are you writing a web series or writing/in production of one? How many pages are you writing per episode?
@frankjames8278
@frankjames8278 4 года назад
@@DBSG1976 Already filmed two episodes. Looking to shoot more as soon as all this mess is over. Check out my channel. Each episode is about 7 to 9 minutes which is about 5 to 7 pages. And character still matters.
@PranavBhave
@PranavBhave 4 года назад
Thank you so much Film Courage for these lectures. Looking forward to seeing more of these classes. His explanation is clear and precise. Guess I've found my online screenwriting Guru🙏 🙂 Respect!
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 4 года назад
Glad you like them! You are very welcome. We are honored to have sat in on Professor Edson's CSUN class. Appreciate the compliment.
@jordankit1648
@jordankit1648 Год назад
What a gem. This is golden content from Prof Edson. Thank you.
@filmcourage
@filmcourage Год назад
Thanks for watching Jordan!
@arzabael
@arzabael 4 месяца назад
One of the greatest monologues of all time was in Sideways. When he likened himself through the subtext of the delicate and weak nature of Pinot grapes. 😊
@chrisddawson
@chrisddawson 3 года назад
Really enjoying these lectures - very helpful. Thank You.
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 3 года назад
Great, glad to see you find these Chris!
@hnttakata713
@hnttakata713 3 года назад
Mahalo. I learn more from these Film Courage lectures, than the six years spent in traditional college. Very specific. My character development is based upon experiences of heroines that I have spent time with, and these traits are apparent.
@SARbeaver1
@SARbeaver1 6 месяцев назад
Only 1 person had read "For Whom the Bell Tolls." I can feel his inward groan.
@raulpierri
@raulpierri Год назад
Thanks for sharing this. It is gold.
@tumblingrosesstudio
@tumblingrosesstudio 2 года назад
This was captivating! Snagging the book! thank you for such outstanding teaching
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed this one Dannielle! Here is Eric's first class ‘Learning Screenplay Story Structure’ - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iywvNIWKbPI.html (in case you haven't seen it and were interested)
@Username-o6zf
@Username-o6zf 6 месяцев назад
After getting my diploma, my next agenda on the plan is to go to Toronto Film School and get that degree. Maybe work in Gaming as a Scriptwriter or become a Screenplay writer
@camronchlarson3767
@camronchlarson3767 4 года назад
I love these full lectures! :)
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 4 года назад
Cheers Camron! This is the last of what we have for now. Hopefully we'll sit in on some other classes in the future.
@SchoolToEmbassyProject
@SchoolToEmbassyProject 3 года назад
Absolutely, I'm addicted to ALL this knowledge #BingeWatching
@iraqiraq1950
@iraqiraq1950 3 года назад
Me too .. i hope I can study there 😫 🙏
@malin943
@malin943 3 года назад
Me too! 😍
@meh62
@meh62 4 года назад
thank you especially for the subtitles.
@3kfilms128
@3kfilms128 Год назад
ur welcome
@whitemansucks
@whitemansucks 4 года назад
YES! Luv this guy!
@yamaadeli6902
@yamaadeli6902 3 года назад
Thanks to professor and to your incredible channel. 💯😃
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 3 года назад
Thanks Ahmad, we are incredibly grateful to Professor Edson for providing us this opportunity to share his teachings. Love that you found this one.
@RM-306
@RM-306 2 года назад
So greatful for this erics work!
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Cheers!
@william5159
@william5159 4 года назад
“No side trips”, except in The Godfather Part II. And, therein lies the danger of ‘rules’. Great lecture though and a great teacher. Great series!
@william5159
@william5159 4 года назад
@Jessie Robert DeNiro
@derrickdd
@derrickdd 3 года назад
@@william5159 Its not a side-trip... Its two stories mirroring eachother simultaneously.
@william5159
@william5159 3 года назад
@@derrickdd Good point. Perhaps I misunderstood the original point. Cheers, I will re-watch the video.
@droneeye2618
@droneeye2618 2 года назад
Films have evolved though to be more like episodic novels in the last few decades and seasons of series have become the norm
@howardkoor2796
@howardkoor2796 3 года назад
Thanks Eric. Thanks Film Courage.
@Gunnplay
@Gunnplay 4 года назад
Fantastic! Need more of this!
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 4 года назад
Thanks! Not sure if you saw the first class? - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iywvNIWKbPI.html
@shireitalians
@shireitalians 9 месяцев назад
This is gold! Thank you for helping!
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 9 месяцев назад
Cheers!
@leodouskyron5671
@leodouskyron5671 2 года назад
OMG I have a list of movies to watch after this!
@trishahopkins6574
@trishahopkins6574 2 года назад
I’ve learned more from this video than I did from my 2yr screenwriting degree
@nicklang6798
@nicklang6798 2 года назад
This is very good. Lots of great examples
@zozoartstudio4727
@zozoartstudio4727 3 года назад
Watched this all the way through
@kristine8338
@kristine8338 Год назад
Music plays an unbelievably additional role in any movie.
@brofelixthecat8233
@brofelixthecat8233 2 года назад
What’s interesting is that Up can all be seen as either a way of letting go of the past, or as a metaphor in Russell taking or inciting Carl to the afterlife, in that Carl let’s go of all that had been keeping him from moving forward, and he finally leaves the house behind.
@nijamechepta3226
@nijamechepta3226 4 года назад
Awaysome lesson sir
@HarryVoyager
@HarryVoyager Год назад
10:27 And that deluge of information is an amazingly double edged sword. On the one hand, you can fill it with so much sidebar information that you simply cannot put in a novel: it will be far too slow, and you can hide clues and layers in it that you could never do in a novel (the minute you spend words on it, everyone will notice it), but at the same time, you've got this massive channel of information that may or may not actually be usefull to telling the story that still has to be filled with stuff that is both reasonable, consistent and costs time and money to put in. A novelist can just about get away with saying the manor was an old imposing monolith festooned with peaks and lacy motifs along its eaves, that might have seemed elegant had they a fresh coat of paint. Boom, done! For a movie, someone has to find or build the cursed thing, and it will never be quite what you pictured in your head.
@sasany4
@sasany4 3 года назад
Mr. Edson is a great mentor please upload more videos of him.
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 3 года назад
Hi Sasan, here are all of our uploads with Eric Edson - rb.gy/uq08qy
@nerdimmunity7672
@nerdimmunity7672 2 года назад
These videos are brilliant
@SijinJoseph-kz7zl
@SijinJoseph-kz7zl 3 года назад
Thank you so much
@grazygoutam354
@grazygoutam354 3 года назад
I wanna thankyou guys for uploading This on youtube for free I finished it in one sitting amazing teacher Keep doing the good work
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 3 года назад
Hi Babu, Mr. Edson has a book he wrote entitled "The Story Solution" (link in the description) where he goes into detail on everything he highlights here.. We believe you will find all your answers there.
@FlyingOverTr0ut
@FlyingOverTr0ut 4 года назад
Just finished reading Eric Edson's book for the third time in three years. Still very informative and entertaining.
@DanielEndy2
@DanielEndy2 2 года назад
@@babumurugesan6977 Helper-follower ally is an ally who follows the hero and assists them. Think Trinity in the Matrix.
@DanielEndy2
@DanielEndy2 2 года назад
Cheerleader ally is a person who cheers the hero on. They provide encouragement but not much else.
@DanielEndy2
@DanielEndy2 2 года назад
A hopeful savior is a an ally who provides hope. Think the Oracle in the Matrix. She is in disguise at first and seems to be discouraging.
@DanielEndy2
@DanielEndy2 2 года назад
The comic ally is a friend of the hero who provides comic relief.
@DanielEndy2
@DanielEndy2 2 года назад
He has a book you should buy.
@petergreen5337
@petergreen5337 10 месяцев назад
Thank you very much.
@yibaibashimu6223
@yibaibashimu6223 2 года назад
The double meaning of Sideways is "drunk" as you properly pointed out and "the plan went sideways" as seen over the weekend in wine country. Awesome lesson though. I learned a lot. Wish I could be there in person.
@tharindafilms5528
@tharindafilms5528 2 года назад
Thank you sir and...channel..❤❤
@PreetiSingh-xg5pm
@PreetiSingh-xg5pm 2 года назад
brilliant teacher
@gerardovitale81
@gerardovitale81 2 года назад
The best part is from 00:00 to 1:48:36 Thank you so much!
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Cheers Gerardo! Thanks for watching!
@raul_lozanomusic
@raul_lozanomusic 2 года назад
Amazing lecture 💯
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Glad you liked it
@NathanMcMasters
@NathanMcMasters 2 года назад
Interesting point he made about character categories not changing. I wonder if that is specifically true for stand alone feature films and not TV shows. I've seen several TV shows where an adversary agent joins the heros side and it felt really good. Perhaps because TV shows allow deeper character development of several characters over the course of many episodes. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
@techscw
@techscw 2 года назад
I think he would say the role(adversary/ally) might change on the surface, the capability of that role change would need to be foreshadowed well. E.g, an adversary is an honorable enemy that is being lied to or manipulated, core interests aren’t diametrically opposed, but social circumstances are the obstacles, not the core characters.
@NathanMcMasters
@NathanMcMasters 2 года назад
@@techscw thank you so much for the reply. I've just started to learn more about writing films. I just need to Google all those terms to try and understand what that means. The example I'm thinking about is in the walking dead during the negan seasons, if you've ever seen those.
@elinannestad5320
@elinannestad5320 2 года назад
I too have a question mark hanging over that statement, partly because of stories I brought myself up on, and partly because of real life. Techscw has got to be right, in that any change has to be foreshadowed. I think of the Wizard of Oz, where the wizard turned out to be a little guy hiding behind a curtain. And most powerfully in my life, of my mother who appeared totally potent but now, 30 years after she died, I see as a beautiful lonely girl who did her utmost in a hard world. Neither really changed, but certainly seemed to. Life, hey.
@mebleusiste
@mebleusiste 3 года назад
Can you please provide video with slide show as you did with the story structure lecture ? Thank you
@anaginc
@anaginc 2 года назад
One thing also that is a must is to see irish shorts and know Eamonn Owens movies. It opens your mind really
@cristinawilligs
@cristinawilligs 9 месяцев назад
in the several versions of war and peace there is this character called Petya Rostov that changes role at the end
@sambeg2
@sambeg2 2 года назад
I can't here for knows how, but the lecture was so good I had to stay.
@flesheater6676
@flesheater6676 2 года назад
I watch these all the time.
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Thank you for visiting with us!
@sushanthlokasani8336
@sushanthlokasani8336 2 года назад
Could you please upload the 2nd part of the video where we could learn the qualities of other characters.
@marckolsters2279
@marckolsters2279 2 года назад
outstanding class.
@filmcourage
@filmcourage 2 года назад
Thanks Marc!
@jiayusai
@jiayusai 2 года назад
For those who are confused when he said the character categories don't change, I think he refers to mainstream Hollywood films with good box office performance (as mentioned in his previous video on screenplay story structure).
@puertolumbian316
@puertolumbian316 2 года назад
He's giving me strong Bob Ross vibes. Love it.
@warmflash
@warmflash 2 года назад
Fantastic stuff. Can these archetypes be mixed so he is part hero part hunk or part wise part bully?
@crazyneonate8626
@crazyneonate8626 2 года назад
Awesome lecture, although I laughed at 10:20 when he says that cinema is the ''most overwhelming and personally involving art form so far'' - the poor man never played videogames XD
@diersteinjulien6773
@diersteinjulien6773 2 года назад
No, he is right. Like he says, a movie has two hours to throw a full story, from character introduction to a satisfying end, at you. You just can't do that in a videogame. Players will play at their own pace. Gameplay sequences will contribute to the tone, style and feel. A movie doesn't have that luxury. That's why it's the most overwhelming medium: it must do everything at once in a very short time
@crazyneonate8626
@crazyneonate8626 2 года назад
@@diersteinjulien6773 Oh I misunderstood, I thought he was talking about the audience (or player) not the creator. And in that sense videogames certainly destroys movies in that regard (or at least the great ones)
@diersteinjulien6773
@diersteinjulien6773 2 года назад
@@crazyneonate8626 he's, in my opinion, talking about both sides. Movies are the most concentrated medium, because they have to deliver everything fast, and it has to be received equally fast, meaning both sides have to deal with an overwhelming amount of stuff at once, and nothing can be wasted. A good videogame can certainly get you also very invested, but the experience is much more diluted. It's more comparable to a TV serie, where you can explore side characters in more details, with side-quests and optional routes. If you compare a movie to a videogame, it's basicaly "only the main quest's cutscenes, no gameplay, no side content, no playable boss fight". And it still has to be good and enjoyable.
@crazyneonate8626
@crazyneonate8626 2 года назад
Alright I get what he meant and within those parameters it's true. As far as your comment, it could be argued that the best videogames don't tell their stories with cutscenes but with the gameplay itself though. Again, not all or even most videogames but there a slew of games where experiencing it is the story, and how you feel about it is intimately linked to the fact that YOU were the protagonist. A couple of great examples are Soma, What remains of Edith Finch, Gone Home, The walking Dead, Frost punk, Firewatch and others. Those games don't have sidequests or bossfight and very very little storytelling outside what you do (except The Walking Dead)
@diersteinjulien6773
@diersteinjulien6773 2 года назад
@@crazyneonate8626 Out of those, I only played two: What remained of Edith Finch.... which I really didn't like. I want my games to have gameplay, but it was just a super linear walking simulator with different "worlds" that really were just gimmicks with minimal gameplay. Interesting in a way, but very quickly repetitive. I much preferred Obra Dihn or Painscreek Killings, which required you to think. And Frostpunk... which I also didn't like. And when you think about it, Frostpunk has no story, it's basicaly "survive" at the beginning, and "well... you survived" at the end. It's only you VS the setting of the game, no characters or anything. So... the storytelling of games and movies is radicaly different. It's really hard to compare the two.
@fletchdavidson6079
@fletchdavidson6079 2 года назад
The missing pieces to my puzzle. Thank you.