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Excluding Iru Illuvatar and the Ainur, some of the oldest beings in Middle-earth are a select few Maiar spirits who assumed mortal forms, such as Sauron, the wizards, and the balrogs who departed Valinor to reside in Middle-earth. Which character was the oldest up to the destruction of the One Ring?

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@Edward-nf4nc
@Edward-nf4nc 3 месяца назад
Sauron and Durin's Bane are older than that because they were in Middle-Earth during the Chaining of Melkor, or during the Years of the Trees, thus they are older than Cirdan as he was born, likely one of the first or second generation of Elves to be born as he was 'kin of Thingol' as was Lord Celeborn of Lothlorien! Who was likely born during the Great March of the Elves!
@sebastianstammer9265
@sebastianstammer9265 2 месяца назад
Cirdan in one of the oldest he is one of the original elves that awaken in cuivenen
@takayukiryuu8885
@takayukiryuu8885 2 месяца назад
Sauron and the Balrogs took their forms during the years of the Two Lamps when Melkors major stronghold was still in Utumno. Thus making them somewhere between 45000-55000 years old by the end of the third age.
@unholywarrior9007
@unholywarrior9007 2 месяца назад
Gandalf died after killing the Barlog so he is less then 1 year old he resurrected raised dead or reincarnated
@dylanhalifaux
@dylanhalifaux 2 месяца назад
Correct.
@unholywarrior9007
@unholywarrior9007 2 месяца назад
@briankobleur4166 when the 2 robots see him at the time the robots we're with the tree ends they call Gandalf by name . Gandalf had Bern living in the afterlife when they come hete they forget most of that life Gandolf had forgotten his name . This means he had died and come back he was now less then a year old
@wardaddy6595
@wardaddy6595 2 месяца назад
The "nameless things" definitely have a H.P Lovecraft vibe!
@bholdr----0
@bholdr----0 2 месяца назад
Absolutely! I wonder if JRR Tolkien was familiar with HP Lovecraft? (I'm confident that he was at least aquainted with Chambers, Blackwood, and Machen- the pre-lovecraftian cosmic horror writers. Also, Poe.) Interesting, eh?
@sychuan3729
@sychuan3729 2 месяца назад
@@bholdr----0 He was writing letter about some book where one Lovecraft story was published. But also I think that people are projecting headcanons when finding lovecraftian stuff in LoTR.
@nicholaswilliams1296
@nicholaswilliams1296 2 месяца назад
I always liked it when Treebeard greeted Gandalf “Young Master Gandalf”
@jamesswainston826
@jamesswainston826 2 месяца назад
The Balrog was not awakened by the Fellowship of the Ring. It was awakened because the dwarves dug "too greedily and too deep" according to the source lore. After all, it's nickname was Durin's Bane. It would have to have been awake to be the bane of Durin.
@Valdagast
@Valdagast 2 месяца назад
Yeah, this video is not lore accurate.
@generoberts9151
@generoberts9151 Месяц назад
@@Valdagast I would have thought Durin's Bane would have been a survivor from the first age where almost all the Balrogs under Gothmog were destroyed during the war.
@Valdagast
@Valdagast Месяц назад
@@generoberts9151I think that's the common understanding.
@Raito73
@Raito73 28 дней назад
Yeah I'm about to going to correct the video but thanks for saving my time
@MrStoqn4o
@MrStoqn4o 19 дней назад
Strange, I don't remember dwarves digging, then the fellowship went In There fought and woke it up ... that's what he means, you geek
@lucasbrown743
@lucasbrown743 3 месяца назад
How can Galadriel be older than Sauron when he was around before the elves were created?
@abobanger9054
@abobanger9054 3 месяца назад
He is only countimg saurons age after he came to earth (as explained at the beginning of the video) otherwise every ainu is older than anything else
@arc7375
@arc7375 3 месяца назад
@@abobanger9054But they *are* older.
@abobanger9054
@abobanger9054 3 месяца назад
@@arc7375 we all KNOW The creator of this video only includes their AGE after they arrived to arda Sauron arrived and took shape on earthly terms after galadriel was born, that's what this is about in given context
@samanyupalthi
@samanyupalthi 3 месяца назад
@@abobanger9054 That is dumb way to classify age! its like Hitler only became Hitler when he became fascist and his age starts from that point onwards.
@abobanger9054
@abobanger9054 3 месяца назад
@@samanyupalthi not my problem I was explaining what was done
@bloemundude
@bloemundude 2 месяца назад
The real question is how old are Tom Bombadil's boots and who made them?
@Geerladenlad
@Geerladenlad 2 месяца назад
Maybe he didn't always wear boots. The elves could have made them for him.
@StNemo
@StNemo 2 месяца назад
These are the questions I came here for!
@toddkurzbard
@toddkurzbard 2 месяца назад
Dunno, but they're yellow.
@tomfuller4205
@tomfuller4205 2 месяца назад
I think they’re Crocs.
@dllps
@dllps 2 месяца назад
He is the same age as Arda. Since he remembers times when there were no trees, nor the Dark Lord.
@henvisch
@henvisch 2 месяца назад
Number one should be Tolkien, because he wrote the first letter and lived before it.
@freddygow6116
@freddygow6116 2 месяца назад
If that's the case, it's still Tom because he's from a book written before the hobbit
@robertmiskell8117
@robertmiskell8117 2 месяца назад
The Maiar (including the Wizards & Balrogs) are older than Arda, as they participated in the Great Music.
@cth94
@cth94 2 месяца назад
Yea there's alot wrong with this video
@mar2506
@mar2506 2 месяца назад
he is talking about physical clothes of ainur , not their spirits. obviously balrog didnt look like horned king kong before its descend
@pivson1634
@pivson1634 2 месяца назад
@@mar2506 Balrogs were Maiar and were corrupted by Melkor during creation of Arda. So they took their physical form during this corruption.
@mar2506
@mar2506 2 месяца назад
@@pivson1634 no they didnt. maiar spirits freely travelled through the universes and more. obviously fixed physical bodies of balrogs cant travel through universe since balrog can be killed by any sword or like drown but cant leave their bodies such as other maiar and valar. they most likely created those bodies while they were descending or those bodies were provided to them by melkor after their descend. what you said may have been true if balrogs could leave physical bodies or shapeshit like valar and other maiar any time they want. balrog can't travel through universes with mortal bodies infinitely so their bodies have to be created after they touched down to arda.
@NikolaosSkordilis
@NikolaosSkordilis 2 месяца назад
@@pivson1634All Ainur, both Maiar and Valar, adopted a physical form when they landed on Arda. And their physical form was 'bound' to Arda, as was their fate. That was a kind of both blessing and curse, since while they got material bodies they also became more vulnerable, with a mortal body but still immortal spirit. The Ainur that chose to remain with Eru Illuvatar (an unknown but apparently high number) retained their non corporeal form.
@allenporter6586
@allenporter6586 2 месяца назад
Bombadil cannot be Illuvatar since both Gandalf and Elrond said at the Council of Elrond that even Bombadil couldn't stand against Sauron if Sauron had conquered the rest of Middle Earth and Illuvatar's will cannot be thwarted or denied, as Melkor found out.
@cdoubleplusgood
@cdoubleplusgood 2 месяца назад
Also, Tolkien explicitly said Bombadil is not Illuvatar.
@Parallaxus
@Parallaxus Месяц назад
While I believe they are not one and the same, it could be that Bombadil was a flesh made avatar of illuvatar or someone else, with only a small leftover piece of their divinity, as well as a fragmented personality and limited memory of them. The writers of the Dragonlance novels did that (I think) with the old , seemingly senile wizard, Fizban, being a fragmented part, in physical avatar form, of Paladine, the god of good. I'm not saying that's what I believe Tom is, just pointing out a possibility. The wizards of middle earth were similar to this weren't they, in that, in physical/mortal form, they no longer had memories of their maiar existence, and their personalities were also likely slightly different in physical form. Kind of like they lost who they were when taking on a physical body and being cast to middle earth.
@Parallaxus
@Parallaxus Месяц назад
Also, in 3e D&D, a deity of sufficient rank could make an avatar, which was not the deity her/himself, but an entity that had a separate personality, but always acted in its maker's will, and the deity was perpetually seeing and hearing what their avatar saw and heard. Tom could be something like that possibly, though, I don't really suspect that either. I always suspected Tolkien just wanted an entity on middle earth that just lived happily, above and immune to all the goings on around him, and it was that simple. A figure of mystery.
@nathanhaley1353
@nathanhaley1353 Месяц назад
Bombadil is Tolkien ;)
@throne2049
@throne2049 Месяц назад
Though to be fair what they say could be their interpretation of Tom. They could easily be wrong as they had no idea how he was able to resist the ring in the first place.
@matiasluukkanen7718
@matiasluukkanen7718 3 месяца назад
Ainur are literally beings who sang the concept of time into being. It makes no sense to give them ages. Yet if you want to do so, they entered into universe before anything was made and built it, and similarly built Arda. So ages of Sauron and Durin's bane should at very least be in the very beginning when Arda was being built. And no plants or animals yet existed, and world was unformed and full of flame.
@boredguy1297
@boredguy1297 3 месяца назад
not flame, water. Fire and Ice didn't exist until morgoth's corruption of nature.
@KaunPrime
@KaunPrime 2 месяца назад
This video is more about the age of Arda representations, as it has been described, and depicted in the Rings of Power Series, coming to Arda basically resets their entire life, they know what they know, but its incompatible to the world around them conceptually, so they are basically very intelligent children trying to figure out there way when they first arrive to Arda, basically being reborn from a timeless place into a place with time. Gandalf described it a few times, the before his incarnation as being timeless to them.
@TomdeSabla
@TomdeSabla 2 месяца назад
Well we know the nameless things are older than Sauron because Gandalf explicitly said so. "Even Sauron knows them not, for they are older than he."
@jacobenke7936
@jacobenke7936 2 месяца назад
Sauron is a Maia, who were among the first beings given life by Eru. Olorin (Gandalf) was as well, but he didn't take physical form until Varda convinced him to go to Middle-Earth in the second age. It's one of the reasons I will emphatically argue that Sauron is (technically) still alive, since mortals cannot kill a Maia. Tolkien contradicted himself several times as the story evolved.
@TomdeSabla
@TomdeSabla 2 месяца назад
@@jacobenke7936 Sauron may not be dead. No one said he was. But dead or not has nothing to do with my claim, which was that he is not older than the nameless things. This is simply a question of believing Gandalf or not. He said the nameless things were older than Sauron. You calling him a liar?
@dcaslick
@dcaslick 2 месяца назад
@@TomdeSablaSauron predates Eä itself, so he certainly is “older” than the Nameless Things. I can only assume that what Gandalf meant is that they had existed in Arda since before Sauron and all the other Ainur left the Timeless Halls and descended into Eä.
@KaunPrime
@KaunPrime 2 месяца назад
@@jacobenke7936 The goal was never to kill Sauron, killing him was known to be impossible. The immortal spirits of specific beings can never be killed unless Eru did it himself. The Valar, Maiar, etc, are all immortal spirits, including the elves. Their souls never die, they simply go elsewhere. For their corruption, they were banished from Eru's haven (basically heaven), into the Void, where they then latched onto the physical world, Arda, in order to not be lost forever to the Void. Sauron poured his tether to the world, into the ring, all of his willpower, to bind his spirit to Arda further, which is why him having it made him so dangerous. When the ring was destroyed, it destroyed Sauron's tether, and he become lost to the void. Melkor underwent a similar situation, and is lost to the void as well.
@Cokeastur
@Cokeastur 2 месяца назад
Suron, Balrogs and Istari (Gandalf, Saruman and the rest of the Wizards) descended to arda at the same time the Valar did. Meaning they're as old as the Valar themselves, created by Eru Iluvatar. They took their different forms later. I.e. The wizards were sent by the Valar to Middle-Earth to catch Sauron after Morgoth's defeat and they were sent in the form of old men so they couldn't use their full power in order to not interfere with the peoples of Middle-Earth. Long story shor, as I said, Sauron, Balrogs and the Wizards were as old as the Valar
@cadevaughn7596
@cadevaughn7596 Месяц назад
What a massive story to invent! The obsession with the ideas of characters, regions, and turning it into an entertaining and fluid tale is mind boggling.
@istari0
@istari0 2 месяца назад
Sauron and the Balrogs entered Middle-Earth before the awakening of the Elves at Cuiviénen therefore they are older than any Elf or Ent. The Nameless things may well have been created by Melkor when the Dark Lord first battle the Valar for control of Arda so they are probably younger than Tom Bombadil.
@ethanaaron
@ethanaaron 3 месяца назад
Definitely a fresh energetic personality to add the pod, great addition to
@LOTRKingluis
@LOTRKingluis 3 месяца назад
Since the watcher in the water is a nameless thing, he is one of the oldest in tolkiens story (in terms of physical manifestation in the world).
@tommaso7517
@tommaso7517 2 месяца назад
It's just a theory, it's confirmed that that thing is a nameless thing
@rikkusfiance
@rikkusfiance Месяц назад
Galadriel would be closer to 27000 years old. She was born in the Years of the Trees when the years were calculated as Valian years. 1 valian year is about 144 solar years, so Galadriel would have been 19872 "solar years" old before the sun rose for the first time.
@latscholatscho
@latscholatscho 7 дней назад
Gilf
@aeriontargaryen4416
@aeriontargaryen4416 2 месяца назад
I think the most saw the thumbnail and went straight to the comments as I did😂😂 to see someone trying to tell us that Angband was on numenor😂😂😂😂 absolute comedy gold❤ yeah you lost us sir with the ages not a good thing. If you make a Video about such a matter get your infos right 😊
@haamaanaa
@haamaanaa 2 месяца назад
Maybe he just watched the Rings of Power series and took info from there 😂
@sheldonhatch8255
@sheldonhatch8255 16 дней назад
Thank you, I cannot believe this video was even made, it's ALL WRONG
@morgoth4959
@morgoth4959 2 месяца назад
Basically, the Istari, the Balrog, Sauron and Morgoth are the oldest beings in The Lord of the Rings, as they were created before time. Galadriel, as a Noldor Elf, is significantly younger, as she was born on Arda, which also applies to the other Elves and even Treebeard. The Nameless Beings and Tom Bombardil are a matter of negotiation, as it has never been fully clarified what they are and where they come from. Should the Nameless Beings be Ainur, they too would be older than time, but should they be dissonances in the Ainulindale, they would have been born with the world. Tom Bombardil is not Iluvatar, which actually rules him out as the oldest being, but nobody knows what he is either, so here too an Ainur would be conceivable, but he could also be something completely different
@Mr.Savage14
@Mr.Savage14 6 дней назад
Sauron has been around since the breaking of the first silence...so he's been around since the creation of the world. Hes a maiar so hes older then all these beings on here except Gandolph!
@BrooklynRedLeg
@BrooklynRedLeg 13 дней назад
From The Nature of Middle Earth: 'It was a group of great Maiar to guard the Elves meanwhile. They were Tarindor (later Saruman), Olórin (Gandalf), Hrávandil (Radagast), Palacendo and Haimenar. They were led by Melian, who had travelled to Cuiviénen before the Five Guardians; she was the sixth Maiar guardian and was the only female spirit among them.' Plus, Palacendo (aka Pallando/Rómestámo) and Haimenar (Alatar/Morinehtar) came back in the mid-2nd Age along with Glorifindel to aid Gil-Galad in the War of Sauron and the Elves. Your chart is WAY wrong.
@user-qk9ip7dt8g
@user-qk9ip7dt8g Месяц назад
All Ainur spirits have the same age. To say that Magicians are 2000 years old is to completely not know Tolkien. Magicians, Balrogs, Sauron, Morgoth have the same age and he is about 10-50 thousand years old. Do not mislead people, if you had read the Silmarillion, then you would know that all the Ainur were created at the same time even before the creation of Arda
@haamaanaa
@haamaanaa 10 дней назад
Did you include time for the wizards from the first time they were in middle earth? That would add about 480 solar years
@v_stands_for_value124
@v_stands_for_value124 7 дней назад
No wonder Legolas has mastered the bow in 3000 years
@jasongardiner8659
@jasongardiner8659 2 месяца назад
You got Sauron wrong I’m afraid. He look form during the age of lamps before the Elves even woke up and never left Middle Earth.
@larslovestech
@larslovestech 2 месяца назад
was supprised we didn't get smaug on the list...that dragon must have been very old
@pmadldpc
@pmadldpc 2 месяца назад
Not so much he says himself that he was young when he took Erebor.
@parsarabbani1801
@parsarabbani1801 13 дней назад
No he was actually too young
@sunekaas
@sunekaas 11 дней назад
Chuck Norris: Hold my beer...
@lujodrimovkvisin7843
@lujodrimovkvisin7843 3 месяца назад
I'm not sure gwaihur would have 6,000 years. First lord of eagles was Thorondor, but whilst Gwaihir could have been alive at that time, I think it's never said that he was alive during wars in Beleriand.
@mikes3734
@mikes3734 2 месяца назад
Thank you for that comment I was thinking the exact thing and wondering why no one else mentioned it!
@wilmerschouten9453
@wilmerschouten9453 2 месяца назад
You don't get it about the Maiar: 14. Not true, the wizards were Maiar, which were created during the Ainulindale. 7. Durins bane was also a Maia, and as such he was created during the Ainulindale. 6. Same for Sauron, he was a Maia.
@user-qd2nd6hi8j
@user-qd2nd6hi8j 2 месяца назад
6. Mairon older. How can I put it? Same person, but different "filling"
@wilmerschouten9453
@wilmerschouten9453 2 месяца назад
@@user-qd2nd6hi8jdifferent forms, you mean? first mairon, then sauron? that's true but it is still the same Maia
@user-qd2nd6hi8j
@user-qd2nd6hi8j 2 месяца назад
@@wilmerschouten9453 let me tell another analogy.. we have painter, and we have dictator. Same person, different "filling" 😁 As Sauron he was "born" after joining Melkor
@wilmerschouten9453
@wilmerschouten9453 2 месяца назад
@user-qd2nd6hi8j i think i know what you mean but what exactly is the link between dictator and painter?
@arnaudbouret5562
@arnaudbouret5562 2 месяца назад
​@@user-qd2nd6hi8j"Sauron" is only a different name given to an Ainu who had already taken part of Melkor's cacophony during the Ainulindalë, and had joined him for good before the destruction of the Lamps of Almaren at the latest, long before Elf or Onodrim ever existed.
@Independentschlueder
@Independentschlueder 8 дней назад
I still believe Legolas was the Legolas guiding the refugees from Gondolin, send by Thranduil to support Turgon, would make him older than Elrond. Change my mind.
@caseybranton812
@caseybranton812 2 месяца назад
Very informative
@miriamemanueleforneris3701
@miriamemanueleforneris3701 3 месяца назад
If we want tò be tecnical, maiar and Valar stayed in the halls of iluvatar where time didnt exist, so they can literally have infinite years or 2
@Reuben5120
@Reuben5120 3 месяца назад
Their Ages in the Lands of middle Earth, that's the point of the video... Listen to the content
@miriamemanueleforneris3701
@miriamemanueleforneris3701 3 месяца назад
​@@Reuben5120 ok, ok
@samanyupalthi
@samanyupalthi 3 месяца назад
@@miriamemanueleforneris3701 yeah technically and actually you are right! They have all that knowledge with them so how can you classify older creatures like that.
@TechBearSeattle
@TechBearSeattle 3 месяца назад
Aside from which, they were the ones who literally created Arda. There would be no time whatsoever without them.
@CurriedBat
@CurriedBat 2 месяца назад
Man... they should've dove headfirst into some of the more obscure characters in Rings of Power. So much potential... I can't believe they weren't able to navigate the legal issues of some of the characters.
@colinfun
@colinfun 2 месяца назад
Actually we know that the Witchking was NOT one of the Númenórean kings, because there is a reference to the strongest of the three Numenorean kings submitting to the greater magical power of the one who became the Witchking. Also like you said we first see the first versions of all of the nine in 2251 of the Second Age, but that means they had already been kings AND corrupted by that time and no way could they all have been corrupted at the same time , so even the youngest has to be like 50 years older than the 4209 years from that date to the ring's end.
@Makkaru112
@Makkaru112 17 дней назад
Galadriel is way older than 8000, take into account time flowed differently before the sun and moon existing. That and a single lifetime of man is a single elf year. And that’s also considering long lived humans. Let me explain further with more of her story through the lens of her gift to Gimli - it has deeper meaning behind it, like most things in this movie & reflects the expanded lore of the middle earth universe. Galadriel is one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun&moon, (only the stars, but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower & fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor when he struck them with his Lance and Ungoliant the primordial Eldrich Terror vampirized the life force of the two trees. Ungoliant she was named by the Eldar/Elves). It is said that Galadriel's hair had enmeshed some of the shine and power of those two trees within her tresses. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people after his father Finwë was slain by Morgoth(Formally known as Melkor). Fëanor arguably was their greatest craftsman and warrior to ever live, asked if she could give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair. Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, and other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them. That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation. it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien. The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in. The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created. At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Ñoldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light. Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version. But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king many 10s of thousands of years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Thingol)
@gregwiens9146
@gregwiens9146 2 месяца назад
I know Tom personally He currently lives in a small rural city in Manitoba Canada called Portage La Prairie and he delivers the mail for Canada post, he makes home made meed (not very good) and is a master angler fishman He and Goldberry (a nurse) have 2 kids
@AngeloJParks
@AngeloJParks 2 месяца назад
He said Treebeard is “Eleven Thousand TREE-hundred years old!” 🤣 All joking aside, I enjoyed the vid, mate! 👍🏻💯
@mykhailohohol8708
@mykhailohohol8708 2 месяца назад
didn't expect C'thulhu monsters to win this one!
@nigeldepledge3790
@nigeldepledge3790 2 месяца назад
Durin's Bane did not lie dormant until awakened by the Fellowship of the Ring. Durin's Bane was awakened by the dwarves of Khazad-Dum when they "delved too deep". Orcs alone could not have driven the dwarves from Moria.
@jahodapozen
@jahodapozen 2 месяца назад
Tom Bombadil...... I want more of him
@dcaslick
@dcaslick 2 месяца назад
Even if you ignore the fact their creation predates the universe itself and only count when they permanently moved into Arda Sauron and Durin’s Bane would predate any of the elves or the Ents as they were around during the ages of the Lamps in the Spring of Arda. Only the Nameless Things and possibly Tom would have been around in Arda before them, assuming they came into being when Eä and Arda within it were created.
@aaronburdon221
@aaronburdon221 Месяц назад
Technically durins bane was awakened by the dwarves, not the company. He just became active when the goblins surrounded the company because he could probably sense another Maia nearby and was curious.
@chuckliebenauer3656
@chuckliebenauer3656 2 месяца назад
One wonders what all of these different entities did when not trying to kill each other or take over the world? Did they have a favorite pub or dark place to hang out and smoke their weed or drink their mead?
@michaelcooper5677
@michaelcooper5677 2 месяца назад
Yes they did. It was called "His Song" referring, of course, to the original music of the Ainur. However, the world (Arda) was changed and may well have changed again but the original hangout still exists. Oddly enough it became part of the "New World" and is located in Mexico. The name changed over the ages and it is now known as "Hussong's" and not surprisingly , is located on the coast in a town called "Ensenada". It is well known among sailors on the western coast of North America and is the finish line of a well known yacht race every year. The institutes of higher learning near the coast are very much aware of Hussong's. 🤣😆🤣
@lionhead123
@lionhead123 2 месяца назад
Imagine how bored you must get sitting at a harbor for over 10,000 years. My god. No pub is going to cure that boredom.
@corneliussmiff2773
@corneliussmiff2773 2 месяца назад
I read all the Tom Bombadil bits and ended up older than all of these.
@Wattawalkka
@Wattawalkka 2 месяца назад
I recall Bombadil clearly stating he was the oldest he is a Maiar and remembers the first rain drop first seed "the oldest is what I am" Makes it sound like he was there "first" and is the oldest. That's from the authors own hand argument solved.
@jackvancekirkland
@jackvancekirkland 2 месяца назад
Tom Bombadil is not a Maiar. Tolkien never actually fully decided what he is, it is left purposely vague.
@princelexvlogs
@princelexvlogs 17 дней назад
Sauron (Mairón), Durin's Bane (A.K.A. Balrog of Morgóth) and the Wizards lived long before the "Ainulindale (The Songs of Ainur)." Regardless of their arrival in Middle Earth, because they were there when Arda has been formed before the two lamps (before the creation of the two trees). In regards of Tom Bombadil, he is a misterious character of Tolkien's lore and said to be the most ancient one and fatherless. Well, some of the Tolkien scholars theorized that he is indeed Erü Illúvatar himself, disguised as a jolly old man. Even the Quendi, the first awakened elves cannot say for sure his origin. Only the late J.R.R. Tolkien and his son, Christopher Tolkien know of his origin, for sure. The Nameless Things are one of those ancient creatures who have ever lived the Arda before the first awakening of the Quendi (the first elves) or maybe before the creation of Arda itself. Some theorized that they came from the void, but I cannot say anything about it for it has a vague explanation of their origin. But, even the Maiar do not dare to mess with those creatures for those are more powerful than them. Even Gandalf encountered one himself in the darkest depth of the Earth, but he chose not to disturb it for he was frightened by its presence.
@johnord684
@johnord684 2 месяца назад
Sauron is older than Galadriel by a country mile
@dustinkurtz9132
@dustinkurtz9132 2 дня назад
bilbo just got that old cause he had the ring long time
@Samuel42069
@Samuel42069 2 месяца назад
ha. When Tom Bombadil talked about dark lord he meant Eru Iluvatar.
@user-fw9gf9kp7b
@user-fw9gf9kp7b 2 месяца назад
Great Tune in the backgrounds , Name ?
@user-bf3ko7ts5e
@user-bf3ko7ts5e 6 дней назад
Gandalf is Maia. His age is greater than that of Middleearth.
@stuartschiffman2581
@stuartschiffman2581 2 месяца назад
The Witch King wasn't properly alive at the time of Pellinor Fields.
@123456bobik
@123456bobik Месяц назад
The wizards are 2000 yo? No way. Gandalf literally says: "300 lives of men, I have walked this earth". Which means he's at least 8000-10000 yo.
@abelingaw5070
@abelingaw5070 Месяц назад
He's probably just counting from the point that they arrived in Middle Earth and not Arda or creation itself. The Wizards themselves are demigods, who were born/created with the Valar, so they are as old as time.
@ClemensKatzer
@ClemensKatzer 23 дня назад
I had expected to see Treebeard very high in the list and of course Tom Bombadil the oldest. Since those "nameless creatures" don't mean anything to me, that expectation was fulfilled :)
@MeldrickCz
@MeldrickCz 2 месяца назад
Even when took into consideration the artificial counting them from their formation on the world Galadriel is definitely not older than Sauron (and Cirdan for that matter) him being black captain of Melkor during Utumno´s war and before that member of the host of Aule forming the Arda which both predated wakey wakey for the elven folk.
@guibox3
@guibox3 2 месяца назад
Well, we also need to take into account him not having bodily form. By losing his form in the destruction of Numenor, would Sauron's ME age start over again? Is it based on physical form or presence in Middle Earth regardless of form? If having a physical form then Gandalf, Sauruman et al. would be as old as Sauron.
@brettmuir5679
@brettmuir5679 2 месяца назад
​@@guibox3Sauron has a physical form. Gollum described him as having 9 fingers
@zagrepcanin82
@zagrepcanin82 3 месяца назад
young master gandalf im glad youve come. wood and water,stock and stone i can master. but there is a wizard here locked up in his tower. you know the tree is old when he says gandalf is young
@codyturner9741
@codyturner9741 2 месяца назад
Thats bc gandalf and the other wizards didnt come to middle earth till the third age but are older than middle earth and the elfs
@kimgroslouis5587
@kimgroslouis5587 Месяц назад
Imagine living 3,000 years and still looking and being healthy like your 30s. I would but not nowadays but from 3,000 bc. Curious to see how it was back then.
@MichaelDunham-ic3pm
@MichaelDunham-ic3pm 29 дней назад
Saurons older than galadriel and most others as he was created before middle earth
@traviswillden
@traviswillden 3 месяца назад
hey mindq, can you please upload the 10 most scariest big cats in movies?
@friday13michael
@friday13michael Месяц назад
6:37 eleven thousand tree hundred years… seems fitting
@guibox3
@guibox3 2 месяца назад
Galadriel was over 8000 years old if you do the math from Morgoth's Ring (Book X in the HOME series). She was 2000 years older than Elrond.
@GrindDealer
@GrindDealer 2 месяца назад
Sauron, Gandalf and Durin's Bane are the oldest on this list, as they are all Maiar, and existed before the making of Arda.
@DarkEmpireGames
@DarkEmpireGames 2 месяца назад
"Before kicking the mithril bucket" 😂
@Cokeastur
@Cokeastur 2 месяца назад
Suron, Balrogs and Istari (Gandalf, Saruman and the rest of the Wizards) descended to arda at the same time the Valar did. Meaning they're as old as the Valar themselves, created by Eru Iluvatar. They took their different forms later. I.e. The wizards were sent by the Valar to Middle-Earth to catch Sauron after Morgoth's defeat and they were sent in the form of old men so they couldn't use their full power in order to not interfere with the peoples of Middle-Earth. Long story shor, as I said, Sauron, Balrogs and the Wizards were as old as the Valar
@destroyerofworlds2239
@destroyerofworlds2239 2 месяца назад
It's funny how in so many different lores the older the beings are, the more they resemble the beings from H.P. Lovecraft's lore
@TroySavary
@TroySavary 2 месяца назад
Because they are all drawing from the same ancients stories of primordial chaos.
@destroyerofworlds2239
@destroyerofworlds2239 2 месяца назад
@@TroySavary Can you name some examples? The primodial chaos of the Greek pantheon is the only one that ad hoc come to my mind, but I don't remember it being very lovecraftian
@WitchKingofAngmar-of3sj
@WitchKingofAngmar-of3sj Месяц назад
I may have 4.700 years but I look much younger than that. Mostly people tell me that I look like 3.500~3.600 years old...
@miguelbarahona6636
@miguelbarahona6636 12 дней назад
This list has the ages wrong!
@pleepose
@pleepose Месяц назад
Damn…Sauron is older than my grandma.
@3characterhandlerequired
@3characterhandlerequired Месяц назад
My interpretation of Tom is that he is some sort of earth spirit, much like his wife is water spirit, and was born the moment Eru made Earth a reality, before Maiar and Valar ascended there.
@GaunteroDimmm
@GaunteroDimmm 19 дней назад
MY BOY TOM BE UP THERE!
@margarettburns7544
@margarettburns7544 2 месяца назад
Tom Bombidil was older than the elves, the wizards, and the hobbits.
@bugeced7234
@bugeced7234 Месяц назад
Correction: the closest approximation of Gandalf's physical age is 24,000 years, according to Gandalf himself. However, various dates for key events in Tolkien's other texts indicate that Gandalf actually walked in his physical form for just over two thousand years.
@erikgilson1687
@erikgilson1687 2 месяца назад
Kind of nuts that Legalos is almost a thousand years older than Gandalf
@jacobenke7936
@jacobenke7936 2 месяца назад
He's not. Gandalf is a Maia, and was alive at the time of the music, if not possessed of a physical form.
@randykelly1922
@randykelly1922 2 месяца назад
Nice
@parsarabbani1801
@parsarabbani1801 13 дней назад
You just missed Glorfindel
@LockeCPM4
@LockeCPM4 Месяц назад
Gandalf is a maiar. He is waaaaaaay older than 2000 years old
@Eronaile2
@Eronaile2 2 дня назад
Without watching, most information is wrong since all Maia and Valar exist since the creation, i. e. forever by practical terms. This includes wizards, balrogs, Morgoth and Sauron, among others. At maximum you could ask for their age on the physical world of Arda. (when they entered it)
@clintconley8361
@clintconley8361 2 месяца назад
I could tell by your thumbnail you already made several errors. in no way is Galadrial older than any of Aniur, including the wizards.
@tinyHIPPOclips
@tinyHIPPOclips Месяц назад
you used Bilbos age to determine the average lifespan of hobbits. Bruh His soul was literally being stretched thin so the ring could stay active and reach out to Sauron. Had nothing to do with a hobbits natural ability to live long lives lol
@samwisegamgee6532
@samwisegamgee6532 2 месяца назад
Sauron, Durin’s bane and Gandalf known as Olorin before his arrival to Middle Earth are maïar. They were created by Eru before the world itself and sang with him during the Ainulindale. Just by looking at the thumbnail, I know that your video is poorly made.
@kenbair
@kenbair 2 месяца назад
Sam gazed in wonder at Galadriel as if Dawn blazed in dusky MiddleEarth inert, anaesthetized by beauty's spell acutely conscious of his puny worth if Celeborn were wiser, he'd discern how far above his station he had wed but even he's not dumb enough to spurn this mighty Noldo hot to share his bed the timeless moment passed, the tale moved on a brief vignette of love transgressing class 'though Bilbo might recast it in a song Sam'd never dream to call his host an ass to think such thoughts encrimsoned Sam's coarse face a worthy gard'ner knows a peasant's place
@Rizu-kc3ze
@Rizu-kc3ze 2 месяца назад
What was the diff between Ainur and Valar again? Valars were the ones who chose to descend into Eru' creation right?
@Jauhl1
@Jauhl1 2 месяца назад
Valar is the higher caste of Ainur, maiar being the lower, they are Iluvatar's thoughts given life their status reflect their importance in his designs.
@Pedrosdanckwardt
@Pedrosdanckwardt 2 месяца назад
Sauron existed at the time of which the elves were created.
@michaelstaengl1349
@michaelstaengl1349 2 месяца назад
Well done age chart. 7:37. Azathoth, is that you? OMG! This creature truly has Lovecraftian horror qualities, it's truly an eldritch abomination.
@nrellis666
@nrellis666 2 месяца назад
Durin's Bane was not awakened by the Fellowship, it was awakened by the construction of the dwarven city of Khazad Dum. Also, it was a Maiar spirit corrupted by Melkor and so was the same age as every other Maiar
@marcelomuniz4972
@marcelomuniz4972 2 месяца назад
Not exactly by the construction of Khazad Dum, the dwarves went deeper into the mountain after Mithril that they could mine.
@Rid3thetig3r
@Rid3thetig3r 2 месяца назад
"Young Master Gandalf" indeed 😅
@clausstudioproduction
@clausstudioproduction 2 месяца назад
where are your source of references? blogspot?
@xusiaxod6255
@xusiaxod6255 2 месяца назад
You're making this up aren't you?
@nicolasahumada8974
@nicolasahumada8974 2 месяца назад
Tom Bombadill is Illuvatar´s SIMS
@cygnusx-1862
@cygnusx-1862 4 дня назад
I expected to see smaug on the list
@davidbyster9249
@davidbyster9249 3 месяца назад
Balrogs were Maiar, and were beings before the making of the world. They were parts of the Great music, that sided with Morgoth. They were the same as Sauron.
@mindq4328
@mindq4328 3 месяца назад
Wow so you didn't listen to a word that was said in the video
@brettmuir5679
@brettmuir5679 2 месяца назад
​@@mindq4328the video is full of inaccuracies
@peteruk65
@peteruk65 Месяц назад
Didn’t Gandalf say, in the Hobbit, he’s lived 300 lives of men? Assuming 50-60 years for a warrior, that would make him, 15000 years old?
@hecatomb1864
@hecatomb1864 2 месяца назад
Nameless things are basically inspired by Lovecraft
@avrace2708
@avrace2708 2 месяца назад
Probably. Tokien said that he read Lovecraft but he said that he dont like his books or more he didint find them intresting, he also said that long and hard names that Lovecraft create dont have sens (Tokien was intrest in history of creating names) so naming in Tolkien books creatures as namless things was little parody of Lovecraft
@willsan3732
@willsan3732 2 месяца назад
Dude Gandalf was around 55,000 years old
@Parasmunt
@Parasmunt 2 месяца назад
I always thought it odd when Gandalf says that the Nameless Things are older than Sauron, Sauron was there before the Middle Earth was made singing it into existence, perhaps they originate in the void.
@faustomadebr
@faustomadebr 2 месяца назад
Context is everything. He was talking to the Fellowship, so he meant the creature was older the Sauron as a Dark Lord, not his existence per se. The monster is probably one of Melkor's experiments before Sauron turned evil or before Sauron became the biggest enemy in Middle Earth (Second Age).
@marcelomuniz4972
@marcelomuniz4972 2 месяца назад
​​​​​@@faustomadebrThere's actually no way to be sure what they are and how they were created, since Tolkien said little to almost nothing about that. My guess though is that they are something beyond Melkor and Sauron, such as is Ungoliant. The way Gandalf describes the Nameless Things is unique and quite different from the way he describes Durin's Bane or any other foe from the Free Folk. He speaks of the Balrog with fear and some might say with respect considering you can have this feeling for an enemy as well. But the Nameless Things he speaks with certain disdain, as if they were too grotesque forms of life which should remain nameless and forgotten from creation.
@faustomadebr
@faustomadebr 2 месяца назад
@@marcelomuniz4972 Im not saying Im sure, just clarifying Gandalf's explanation. Tolkien let these unexplained things exactly because it is how many myths are created.
@istari0
@istari0 2 месяца назад
Time does not exist outside of the created universe, Eä, of which Arda is only a part. The Ainur had no age until they actually entered the world and there's no particular reason to think they all entered at once. So, the Nameless things were created, however that was, before Sauron entered the world.
@dannybauman1454
@dannybauman1454 2 месяца назад
Surprised the wizards didn't even make the top 10.
@globalcharts6072
@globalcharts6072 Месяц назад
treebeard: I am Groot!
@thomaspeterson8357
@thomaspeterson8357 2 месяца назад
Is Cirdan the only named 1st generation elf in middle earth? I can't remember if Glorfindel had a mother and father or if he was 1st gen
@atax2819
@atax2819 2 месяца назад
the last one looks like a shoggoth from hp lovecraft lore
@luminatrixfanfiction
@luminatrixfanfiction 2 месяца назад
I would make a correction to this, with Tom Bombadil being number one. While there's much speculation around this mysterious being, it's generally accepted that he's the incarnation or the embodiment of the Earth itself which would indicate he is as old as Arda itself. The Ring itself could not corrupt Tom Bobadil because it would be tantamount to trying to corrupt all of Middle Earth itself. With that being said, he is arguably one of the First in Middle Earth.
@dzerkle
@dzerkle 2 месяца назад
Tom Bombadil was intentionally left mysterious. It’s not clear what he is, other than Tom Bombadil. There’s no way to determine his age. Questions like this are unanswerable because Tolkien wanted it that way.
@luminatrixfanfiction
@luminatrixfanfiction 2 месяца назад
@@dzerkleYes we know. But we know roughly that he is as old as Arda and that the Ring cannot corrupt him. That tells you two things, he's an embodiment of Arda, and that the Ring itself doesn't have enough juice to corrupt Arda. I'm not sure what you are trying to refute here.
@deanburke1312
@deanburke1312 2 месяца назад
Gandalf operated in the West before coming to Middle Earth. Definitely older the 2000 years
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