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16A Ceeform Interlocked Socket Stripdown 

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I bought this £30 socket from Toolstation which I intend to attach to the side of my house. This video explains how it works.
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@samd2660
@samd2660 Год назад
I've not watched the video yet, but in answer to your first question, an interlocked socket is fine for EV charging according to the regs (most likely), at least what I got from an eFIXX video a couple of weeks ago - It's very much one of those things where an interlocked socket is in the same spirit as a shuttered socket just in a different form. The eFIXX channel/video goes into what the regs say about the matter more than I care to in a comment, but it might be worth a watch if you want more info
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Yes, I watched the same eFIXX video to satisfy myself that I'm not flouting the regulations :)
@AlexanderBurgers
@AlexanderBurgers Год назад
Padlock hole is typically intended for lock-out tag-out (LOTO) procedures to stop people from turning things on while they are being worked on, and it looks like they just kept the feature (it's on the 'normal' industrial power switches as well, the ones that look like this but red)
@MrCalldean
@MrCalldean Год назад
The red isn't "normal" or "industrial", it's three phase; loto can be for any equipment that might have multiple people working on it. You are correct though, it does look like loto.
@fiskurtjorn7530
@fiskurtjorn7530 Год назад
At 1:45. I had much the same worried expresion as the socket. Then I realised there was no real danger because Julian used a wooden non conductive popsicle stick to poke.
@AntonyoKnight
@AntonyoKnight Год назад
Quite good, helped a lot. Many thanks!
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff Год назад
To comply with UK wiring regs, an external socket intended for EV charging would need either PEN fault protection ( assuming supply is TNCS), or a TT earth rod. It would also need to be fed from a type B RCD
@frozenhouse5362
@frozenhouse5362 Год назад
I've been working at a body shop for a bit now and extra tips I learned was if you're painting the door, it's better to take off the mirror and belt molding (the trim at the bottom of the window) for a better paint job in the end. The mirror can get in the way, and if you're unlucky, the clear coat could stick in that gap between the door and the belt molding.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Wonderful :)
@dom1310df
@dom1310df Год назад
Shutters are required on sockets conforming to BS 1363, but these are made to BS 60309, in which I can't find mention of shutters
@marvintpandroid2213
@marvintpandroid2213 Год назад
Big Julian
@NiHaoMike64
@NiHaoMike64 Год назад
Based on the outdoor switch box Dave Jones had issues with, taping over the top and sides of the seam will help with waterproofing, especially if the box gets exposed to sunlight. Leave the bottom untaped since it might be designed to let moisture escape, and it also looks like some electronics safe silicone around the outlet can't hurt either. Also add a bag of desiccant inside if there's enough room left over, and try to have the cable entry holes at the bottom of the box.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
That worked on a PIR sensor I put in my garden. The sensor is intended for indoor use only. It's still working several years on.
@lezbriddon
@lezbriddon Год назад
Shops selling returnd goods as new, never!!!! I once went from york to leeds to buy an expensive commodore monitor for my amiga 1200, i paid a fair wedge for it even after discount with it being the last one and the display model. I got it home, was kind of happy, but the screen had light/dark areas making a 4 leaf clover pattern, after a week or so i wasn't super impressed by it but would live with it. A friend of mine came to visit he was another amiga owner of the 2000 variety and had the big kit, he said oh new monitor, i had one just like that but i took it back about 3 weeks ago as it had dark areas just like yours, maybe there all that way.... then he said hang on, that little scratch, thats where i dropped a mains plug on mine, pulled out his pocket pc out to get his emails, and he had the serial number of his, which matched mine.... needless to say he went with me when i took it back, i should have pursued that further really as it was completely unethical what they did. and the odds of me knowing its previous owner...
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Excellent story. Maybe I know the previous owner of this socket :)
@hi-tech-guy-1823
@hi-tech-guy-1823 Год назад
Mount to wall and a can of Plasti dip or Chlorinated rubber Swimming pool paint or UV Cure Epoxy Resin over the box joins lips and Cure it with a UV light Source for 5 ~ 20 mins Pool paint i would shallow fill (kitchen ladle) the back Front Plate of the socket so when it sets it will make a custom water tight gasket seal For moving Bits i would use petroleum jelly and make crude stuffing box or gland package "A gland is a general type of stuffing box, used to seal a rotating or reciprocating shaft against a fluid. The most common example is in the head of a tap (faucet) where the gland is usually packed with string which has been soaked in tallow or similar grease. The gland nut allows the packing material to be compressed to form a watertight seal and prevent water leaking up the shaft when the tap is turned on. The gland at the rotating shaft of a centrifugal pump may be packed in a similar way and graphite grease used to accommodate continuous operation. The linear seal around the piston rod of a double acting steam piston is also known as a gland, particularly in marine applications. Likewise the shaft of a handpump or wind pump is sealed with a gland where the shaft exits the borehole. Other types of sealed connections without moving parts are also sometimes called glands; for example, a cable gland or fitting that connects a flexible electrical conduit to an enclosure, machine or bulkhead facilitates assembly and prevents liquid or gas ingress. "
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
I'm just not a big fan of gunk (in its various forms). I think the secondary enclosure (meter cabinet) will work fine and provide a 2nd line of defense against tampering.
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale Год назад
There’s only one thing to do with this - take it to your local swimming pool and submerge it in the kids pool at 1 metre for 30 minutes!!! Then open it :-)
@dogwalker666
@dogwalker666 Год назад
Just spent 2 hrs installing two 32A 5pin 3Phase version's of these in 42C heat too, thanks for the reminder lol.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Not in the UK then? We only do 40 degrees :)
@dogwalker666
@dogwalker666 Год назад
@@JulianIlett actually yes this is at work, we hit 55C a few weeks even the SWA cable was getting soft.
@jlucasound
@jlucasound Год назад
Hi, Julian!! I don't know, @0:35, that socket looks a little worried. "Oh, No, Julian! What are you going to do to me?!" 😮 🤣 🥰 AKA, that unit looks pretty robust. Edit: The more you take it apart; it seems they had the right idea but just kept dropping the ball. What a shame.
@UpLateGeek
@UpLateGeek Год назад
Just today I was just packing up our rack from an event, and it uses the exact same connector for power. Obviously the male version, so you need a cable with a female socket on the end to power it up. The padlock hole is for venues, wouldn't want someone poking around, figuring out the interlock and getting a shock. Or worse, unplugging a piece of equipment.
@StuartJ
@StuartJ Год назад
I installed a 32A socket in my garage. the bottom of the garage door has just enough of a gap for an EV charger cable when shut. Now I can plug in my home made EV charger. The internals stay in the garage.
@eliotmansfield
@eliotmansfield Год назад
was looking at these for a Victron Inverter because if you unplug the ‘feed’ it remains live briefly because it’s inverting from the battey and take a few seconds to realise it’s lost it’s grid feed
@romancharak3675
@romancharak3675 Год назад
Your switch needs a little roof over it, Julian. Or a flap of pond-liner material draped over it, which would look very unprofessional. LOL
@GreenAppelPie
@GreenAppelPie Год назад
Neat idea, but I’ve only seen the black foamy material used in weatherproofing applications, not IP67.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. Год назад
E-fixx recently did an episode on just this problem.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Yes, I secretly watched that episode before I made this video :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VZC9_Xktkho.html
@Graham_Langley
@Graham_Langley Год назад
The Toolstation number is 79209 and the picture they show is clearly of a different item to the one in this video although the supplier appears to be the same.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
That's the one. It does look a bit different in the Toolstation website - there's no grey pointer on the switch for starters.
@Graham_Langley
@Graham_Langley Год назад
@@JulianIlett And no reminder sticker, clearly needed judging from the number of reviews complaining they couldn't switch it on unless a plug was inserted.
@hi-tech-guy-1823
@hi-tech-guy-1823 Год назад
I would use this with a 2KW ~ 8KW LPG Generator (or 10KW Tri fuel) ready for the January +4 day Power & Gas rationing
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Or an EV with V2L :)
@hi-tech-guy-1823
@hi-tech-guy-1823 Год назад
@@JulianIlett You do have that for silent mode however can you make it last 4 days
@The.Doctor.Venkman
@The.Doctor.Venkman Год назад
Did I hear you say 'LINE' instead of 'LIVE'? I looked everywhere and couldn't find any references to using this term. Is this also from the High Wycombe Conformity Assessment Committee?
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
John Ward puts it very eloquently here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UEtUwKcRYss.html
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 Год назад
But this is an over-engineered outlet. In the rest of Europe there are these sockets without a switch for in- and outside. So far nothing catastrophic has happened. Maybe you should build a shed, in it you put a box and in it the watertight socket. If that's enough...
@donepearce
@donepearce Год назад
I think that you can mount that on an outside wall and run a cable through. Then as long as you terminate it in a normal 13A plug you don't have to follow any regulations. It is just a pluggble device that happens to be fixed to the wall. And IP67 notwithstanding I would still put sealer on that - I'm not convinced.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
I want to run this at (or near) the full 16A so the 13A plug idea can't be used. As far as the IP67 rating is concerned, it'll be fine inside a meter cabinet.
@KiwiHelpgeek
@KiwiHelpgeek Год назад
When it is opened it looks like it has seen some things.
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Год назад
Did you notice that the switch does not have a valid CE symbol! So how did it get a UKCA mark on the front?
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Well I'm giving it a HWCA (High Wycombe Conformity Assessed) marking :)
@ag.cousins
@ag.cousins Год назад
They aren’t the same thing!
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Год назад
@@ag.cousins my point is how do you get a UKCA mark with parts of known quality like the switch. you might test the whole thing to show that it meets UKCA standards, but how do you know the next switch will be the same. if the switch had passed CE testing and marked with the correct CE marking and comes with a DOC then there is no problem using it.
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Год назад
@@JulianIlett Like your thinking Julian, can i request a "DOC" for it! 🙂
@EsotericArctos
@EsotericArctos Год назад
CE Marking doesn't really mean a lot. CE is a self certification and only tells you the company making the switch THINK the switch meets CE certification
@msylvain59
@msylvain59 Год назад
I noticed your "6BA" wrench, those are not easy to find in metric countries, the sellers in hardware stores don''t even know they do exist 😅 I have the whole set of BA wrenches I need them as I tinker aircraft parts.
@Graham_Langley
@Graham_Langley Год назад
Actually BA threads are metric. 0BA is 6mm in diameter with a thread pitch of 1mm and a 0BA spanner is 10.5mm. Smaller sizes are mathematically derived from these dimensions.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
Those BA spanners are at least 40 years old :)
@Graham_Langley
@Graham_Langley Год назад
@@JulianIlett My set of Terrys flat ones are so old I can't remember where they came from.
@Chris-hq5zs
@Chris-hq5zs Год назад
These may break. I've one where the interlock is non functional, and the switch is locked on.
@JulianIlett
@JulianIlett Год назад
And the plug is locked in place?
@Chris-hq5zs
@Chris-hq5zs Год назад
@@JulianIlett Nope - the plug is removable - I think the shutter collapses or beaks.
@ilanozana9652
@ilanozana9652 Год назад
Not able to take out the socket entirely an necessary.
@EsotericArctos
@EsotericArctos Год назад
To get IP67 rating, they are actually properly tested, so no matter what you may or may not think, they testing is done under the conditions as specified in the standard to get the rating. Unless you can test under the prescribed conditions and can prove it fails (in which case, it should be a warranty issue anyway) you really can not go making assumptions based on purely circumstantial evidence. If you are worried about the legality of installing the socket, would be probably better to actually ask a properly trained and licensed electrician prior to purchasing it. You will more than likely find the interlock is sufficient to be legal, but if you do not know the regulations, you should not be playing with mains wiring anyway. Sorry, to be so negative, but wild assumptions and lack of knowledge of regualtions annoy me, and comments are just our feelings and opinions :)
@Bob_Burton
@Bob_Burton Год назад
Of course, now that Julian has taken it to bits and presumably put it back together it will need to be tested again to ascertain whether it still complies
@EsotericArctos
@EsotericArctos Год назад
@@Bob_Burton Technically that would be right also. :)
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