17. Carthage - Empire of the Phoenicians 

NOPE, UD REHEEEEEEEYAAAAAAAAAHA

yes

No YOU shut up! I can’t hear!

Here, here! Waiting for video!

Shutting up

My phone feels exactly the same

Mine too!

ha, same over here

Mine too 😮

Exactly! I always end up here and I can’t figure out why.

The ideal length of a history podcast is "Dan Carlin" length, meaning there isn't a max length where you should cap it.

ditto

The best medicine against my tinnitus!

❤

This format is like half podcast series & half sound movie! & of course once the video comes out it will be even better.

If you're referring to the opening piano theme after the intro, then I totally agree. It's pretty simplistic but it captures the emotions of what you described so well.

@@jr8260 Yes, the piano piece of chords.

- and of deep sadness.

I think I like the way it climbs and peaks, like a civilization I suppose, but you know that first heavy note is coming back. It really does set the whole tone of the program. Somehow the intro was a serious hook for me when I first started listening. The way the narrator starts from an outside perspective before the theme and intro begin. This series is a masterpiece for sure.

I am glad you said this. I’m glad other people feel this way too. In my experience, it’s among the most fitting pieces of music ever meant to create atmosphere. I could try to fit words to the emotions it conjures for some time, but I think it suffices to say I find those few bars of piano playing in the corners of my mind regularly.

And the people in his village staring and crowding round, asking "What's that?"

People always traveled unfortunately they didn't have Facebook to brag about their travels and thousands of years of times depredation is hell on papyrus.

Kato was probably lying about supposed boom of Carthage just as Hernán Cortez lied about the size of half starved Tlaxcalan Republic in comparing it to Granada. There could indeed have been a demographic boom in Carthage in her last decades as she had to accommodate both back settlers from lost colonies and as sociology in all ages shows low quality of living causes people to have more children unless there's starvation beyond measure underway. We don't know the costs by which Carthaginians payed Romans reparations... maybe through debt to Tyre and Sidon? Or maybe by melting some gold from their temples?

,💓Well yeah. I agree. Both David Reich and more recently Carlos Lalueza-Fox have written wonderful popsci books on how globalization has always been a part of human story

"Some guy tried to sell me some magic beans, but I got this monkey instead. Result!"

Totally agree 👍🏻

If that happens, he'll stop making vids for us.

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i'm beyond impressed with the research that's gone into this. probably more than i did for my masters degree. and that took me a year to accomplish. his work is insanely on a high academic level but presented so anyone could learn from it!

Chatgpt dude

@@simpleman7516 rofl.

​@@simpleman7516 "write me a 3,5 hour historically accurate epic on the rise and fall of Carthage. Oh and give it an eerie and foreboding vibe." If only Hollywood knew this secret.

It has been stated that if Carthage had defeated Rome, the consequences for western civilization would have been catastrophic. I certainly am not so sure about that counterfactual thinking. Interesting to think about though.

Felt the same goosebumps when i saw this

Are they "proud" of accidental birth, other man's work, or their own hard-worked grandeur?

Perhaps some of us are unaware that so-called non-black people have no history. I can assure you that as historian who has studied history from primary sources available to serious academics that Black people are the only people who have a history. What has been hidden from view by white supremacists and their cousins is the fact that nonBlack people have stolen everything they have from a particular group of Black people. We can see this being played out even today. nonBlack people steal from Israelites and claim we have no culture. See Anacalypsis by G Higgins.👊🏿🕎⚔️🏹🌽🪶

did they go sacriice on kids or not..

First, you must know, as Napoleon Bonaparte said, history is nothing but lies agreed upon. Some history is false and distorted, and history is very deep. First, where is Carthage located? It is located in Tunisia, and that Hannibal was born in Carthage and fought in the name of Carthage, not Phoenician, and had nothing to do with the Phoenicians. Was Hannibal the ruler of Lebanon until he was a Phoenician? The answer is no, and was Hannibal at the time of fighting the Romans, were his armies Phoenicians? The answer is no, they were local citizens because they were in their original homeland. Was Hannibal the ruler of Carthage, and where was Carthage in Lebanon, for example? No, in Tunisia and Carthage, it is Tunisia, and Alissa did not found Carthage. It is just a legend, and the evidence is because researchers did not find it or its inscriptions. It has a Phoenician influence because they occupied it only, and the occupation of what age has become history. In the end, Carthage has nothing to do with the Phoenicians, and that the Romans and the Greeks created myths to discredit the Empire of Carthage because it had enmity with them, and that Herodotus, the Greek historian, never mentioned that the Carthaginians were the Phoenicians, and he never mentioned that the Phoenicians They settled in Carthage, and the researchers also did not find Phoenician traces and genes. They found Roman traces, but Phoenician ones they did not find, which means that they do not exist.

Absolutely. I love listening then listening while falling asleep, then later watching with visuals. Just like with philosophy videos, I always gain something new from it ❤

Thanks Assyl, that means a lot to hear you say.

That's so cool! Is the city taking care of its ancient ruins?

​@@futuf2265 Yes

​@@FallofCivilizationsFun fact: Gustav Flaubert built his House on the Ancient ruines of the carthagnian harbor in Tunis

First, you must know, as Napoleon Bonaparte said, history is nothing but lies agreed upon, some history is false and distorted, and that history is facts and very deep. First, Carthage, where is it located? The answer is in Tunisia, and that Hannibal is a Tunisian, a Carthaginian, born in Carthage, not a Phoenician, and has nothing to do with the Phoenicians. Was Hannibal a ruler in Lebanon until he became a Phoenician? The answer is no, and was Hannibal at the time of fighting the Romans with his armies, were his armies Phoenicians? The answer is no, and were the people in their era Phoenicians?? The answer is no, why not? Because in their original homeland Tunisia is Berber located in North Africa and not Phoenician and historians agreed that Alissa is a legend even in Phoenician sources as a legend and the researchers did not find her and did not find her inscriptions and the inscriptions are an important source to prove history and they did not find her mosaics and a new study says that the researchers did not find a trace They did not find Phoenician artifacts, but they also found only Roman and Phoenician artifacts that were not found at all, and the historian Herodotus never mentioned that the Carthaginians were the Phoenicians, and he did not mention that the Phoenicians settled in Carthage, and that the Phoenician language was originally not Phoenician, but rather Hebrew and was used in the Torah before They are used by the Phoenicians, and that the Phoenicians want to attribute Carthage to them and steal our great history. I, Carthage, originally had no relationship at all historically with the Phoenicians. Truth appeared and falsehoo

Hey man you can't just waltz up and down Italy winning battles and expect to live if you let rome continue to exist

​@@jedminor6128 Even sacking Rome isn't enough for that. Just ask the continental Celts.

The part about child sacrifices is haunting as well

The genocide of infants earned them a spot in history's dustbin.

I can only imagine the loss of such valuable knowledge about their history and the early history of the world. What an immense loss

Wooohooooo!!! Ahhhhh!!!! ❤

I was thinking that a few days ago

Honestly they could have milked this story for 2 episodes the Phoenicians and then the Carthaginians.

He is such a beautiful storyteller of history! I absolutely love these podcasts more than anything ever!

Me too... over and over again I listen. I can't recall every single detail after one, or even a few listens. The more I listen, the more I am amazed at just how 'wonderful' and amazing humans were and have been, despite their "fall".

Sean, you took the words from my mouth. Bravo Paul Cooper! This series is one of stunning quality and remarkable production value. I'm going to pay my respect literally, by contributing.

Thanks Stephen, hope it gets better!

Perhaps it will be better when our civilization falls and we get to chill out and hunt and gather. Only half joking.

@@SofaKingShit ha thank you for the laugh, I half agree!

​​@@SofaKingShit if our civ falls say hello to cholera, bubonic plague, a short life and say goodbye to supermarkets, new ready made clothes, having a full belly in spring and living with out walls. We must not allow this, we must love our neighbors.

"I'm stressed out...what's this? A long podcast about genocide? This should be relaxing." It's alright man I feel you haha.

He has superb narration skills, right up there with Attenborough.

@@rjlchristie It is a shame that the full video versions of his podcasts aren't at the same level as the narration. They would be utterly magnificent if they were. (and don't get me wrong, I like them, they just have so much more potential)

You said everything I’m feeling

​@@whyjnot420 man makes 3 hour long videos. The Aztec one is 5 hours. Let the man cook.

​@@rjlchristie that is a high bar indeed!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Terry Pratchett audiobook

I'd say that they were rather despicable actually, slightly worse than the Romans that replaced them. All of the 'great civilizations' were build on the backs of slaves and immeasurable crimes, maybe with the exception of the Nabataeans. I know: different times, different mores, but that doesn't change the facts as we know them.

@@diatonicdelirium1743 - The total destruction of the libraries, though ... ugh.

@@cacogenicist The loss of knowledge and literature is painful indeed.

@@cacogenicist yeah, just as sad as the Library of Alexandria IMO.

@@diatonicdelirium1743 - A cultural salting of the Earth, so to speak. That was a brutally thorough genocide.

If they indeed sacrificed children, their fate was well-deserved.

@@Grenadier311 well, after all, victor writes the story... and Rome certainly has her 'sacrificed children' moments - in fact, ANY civilization involving 'humanity' has a multitude.

@@nick7832 That's why I said "if".

@@joshthalheimer Yeah, they prided themselves on not practicing human sacrifice when at the end of a Triumph noble captives of a conquered region were ritually strangled in the Temple of Jupiter. Some say that human nature doesn't change, but I think we've evolved quite a bit into a kinder society than what our ancestors knew, at least in our largesse and luxury.

@@joshthalheimer But you're right ... many Iraqi children were "sacrificed" to keep the sanctions going, for exemple.

Thanks Mark, very kind of you!

So so so good!

How good is how it starts. In the year...and YES!

I'm not sure when this is going to end, there's only so many fallen civilisations we know of after all, but I hope it's not any time soon.

@@Xune2000 every new episode I feel one step closer to the last known civilization for FOC to cover. This is a timeless series that is so dense with interesting well articulated information.

As much as I absolutely love either format, I've been horrendously spoiled by the FoC TV episodes on here, as they were the first contact I had with the podcast at all. Each time a new 'video' (like this) comes out, it's bittersweet as the TV episodes were absolutely the best documentaries I've ever seen, anywhere. I would have thought the funding would have gone through the roof, with a never-ending stream of resources given to keep them coming. :/ Too bad I'm not a billionaire.

@@intuit13 I'm trying to figure out what's wrong? Each video gets a TV episode anyway.

@@LordVader1094 oh, so this one will get a TV episode as well? How long do they usually take to release? edit: And, yea, I didn't notice that til now... When I first found the channel I watched all of them back to back. Then I noticed new podcasts that didn't have a TV episode so I thought maybe the TV/docs weren't going to continue (or at least not every episode of the podcast would get one). I see now that those 2-3 episodes now DO have TV episodes. :)

@@intuit13 Usually a month or two after the audio drops.

What love to see a video on how he makes the videos Tbf

Bactera

The Abbasid Caliphate, The Tokugawa Shogunate, The Holy Roman Empire, The Mongol Empire.

Sometimes I sit and wonder what we are all going to do if he finally runs out of fallen civilizations. Then I look around and remember there’s one born every day.

His greatest story is still unfinished, Sumer, Assyria & Babylon, that Civilisation needs an ending

The Celts deserve their own episode, since they've been mentioned many times in this series

First, you must know, as Napoleon Bonaparte said, history is nothing but lies agreed upon, some history is false and distorted, and that history is facts and very deep. First, Carthage, where is it located? The answer is in Tunisia, and that Hannibal is a Tunisian, a Carthaginian, born in Carthage, not a Phoenician, and has nothing to do with the Phoenicians. Was Hannibal a ruler in Lebanon until he became a Phoenician? The answer is no, and was Hannibal at the time of fighting the Romans with his armies, were his armies Phoenicians? The answer is no, and were the people in their era Phoenicians?? The answer is no, why not? Because in their original homeland Tunisia is Berber located in North Africa and not Phoenician and historians agreed that Alissa is a legend even in Phoenician sources as a legend and the researchers did not find her and did not find her inscriptions and the inscriptions are an important source to prove history and they did not find her mosaics and a new study says that the researchers did not find a trace They did not find Phoenician artifacts, but they also found only Roman and Phoenician artifacts that were not found at all, and the historian Herodotus never mentioned that the Carthaginians were the Phoenicians, and he did not mention that the Phoenicians settled in Carthage, and that the Phoenician language was originally not Phoenician, but rather Hebrew and was used in the Torah before They are used by the Phoenicians, and that the Phoenicians want to attribute Carthage to them and steal our great history. I, Carthage, originally had no relationship at all historically with the Phoenicians. Truth appeared and falsehoo

I also cried with Carthage's fate! At least, a similar fate had Rome some hundreds of years later

​@@futuf2265 Romes fate was not similar to Carthages at all. And Rome lasted another 1500 years not a couple hundred

@@alekisighl7599 Rome, the city, had a similar fate as Carthage, just not as worse because it wasn't completely destroyed

Hope you enjoy it!

Excuse me but iranian and Lebanese are same family.

First, you must know, as Napoleon Bonaparte said, history is nothing but lies agreed upon, some history is false and distorted, and that history is facts and very deep. First, Carthage, where is it located? The answer is in Tunisia, and that Hannibal is a Tunisian, a Carthaginian, born in Carthage, not a Phoenician, and has nothing to do with the Phoenicians. Was Hannibal a ruler in Lebanon until he became a Phoenician? The answer is no, and was Hannibal at the time of fighting the Romans with his armies, were his armies Phoenicians? The answer is no, and were the people in their era Phoenicians?? The answer is no, why not? Because in their original homeland Tunisia is Berber located in North Africa and not Phoenician and historians agreed that Alissa is a legend even in Phoenician sources as a legend and the researchers did not find her and did not find her inscriptions and the inscriptions are an important source to prove history and they did not find her mosaics and a new study says that the researchers did not find a trace They did not find Phoenician artifacts, but they also found only Roman and Phoenician artifacts that were not found at all, and the historian Herodotus never mentioned that the Carthaginians were the Phoenicians, and he did not mention that the Phoenicians settled in Carthage, and that the Phoenician language was originally not Phoenician, but rather Hebrew and was used in the Torah before They are used by the Phoenicians, and that the Phoenicians want to attribute Carthage to them and steal our great history. I, Carthage, originally had no relationship at all historically with the Phoenicians. Truth appeared and falsehoo

@@jennydanza3974 He said brothers? Lol

Cetera censeo, Terra delendam esse...

Thanks Sam, very kind of you!

First, you must know, as Napoleon Bonaparte said, history is nothing but lies agreed upon, some history is false and distorted, and that history is facts and very deep. First, Carthage, where is it located? The answer is in Tunisia, and that Hannibal is a Tunisian, a Carthaginian, born in Carthage, not a Phoenician, and has nothing to do with the Phoenicians. Was Hannibal a ruler in Lebanon until he became a Phoenician? The answer is no, and was Hannibal at the time of fighting the Romans with his armies, were his armies Phoenicians? The answer is no, and were the people in their era Phoenicians?? The answer is no, why not? Because in their original homeland Tunisia is Berber located in North Africa and not Phoenician and historians agreed that Alissa is a legend even in Phoenician sources as a legend and the researchers did not find her and did not find her inscriptions and the inscriptions are an important source to prove history and they did not find her mosaics and a new study says that the researchers did not find a trace They did not find Phoenician artifacts, but they also found only Roman and Phoenician artifacts that were not found at all, and the historian Herodotus never mentioned that the Carthaginians were the Phoenicians, and he did not mention that the Phoenicians settled in Carthage, and that the Phoenician language was originally not Phoenician, but rather Hebrew and was used in the Torah before They are used by the Phoenicians, and that the Phoenicians want to attribute Carthage to them and steal our great history. I, Carthage, originally had no relationship at all historically with the Phoenicians. Truth appeared and falsehoo

Thanks my friend, very kind of you.

First, you must know, as Napoleon Bonaparte said, history is nothing but lies agreed upon, some history is false and distorted, and that history is facts and very deep. First, Carthage, where is it located? The answer is in Tunisia, and that Hannibal is a Tunisian, a Carthaginian, born in Carthage, not a Phoenician, and has nothing to do with the Phoenicians. Was Hannibal a ruler in Lebanon until he became a Phoenician? The answer is no, and was Hannibal at the time of fighting the Romans with his armies, were his armies Phoenicians? The answer is no, and were the people in their era Phoenicians?? The answer is no, why not? Because in their original homeland Tunisia is Berber located in North Africa and not Phoenician and historians agreed that Alissa is a legend even in Phoenician sources as a legend and the researchers did not find her and did not find her inscriptions and the inscriptions are an important source to prove history and they did not find her mosaics and a new study says that the researchers did not find a trace They did not find Phoenician artifacts, but they also found only Roman and Phoenician artifacts that were not found at all, and the historian Herodotus never mentioned that the Carthaginians were the Phoenicians, and he did not mention that the Phoenicians settled in Carthage, and that the Phoenician language was originally not Phoenician, but rather Hebrew and was used in the Torah before They are used by the Phoenicians, and that the Phoenicians want to attribute Carthage to them and steal our great history. I, Carthage, originally had no relationship at all historically with the Phoenicians. Truth appeared and falsehoo

Thanks for listening Carlos!