1911 with suppressor 

The reason a .45 works so well with a suppressor, is the fact that it's a sub-sonic round (with standard, non +P loading). A lot of other calibers have supersonic muzzle velocity (like the .40 cal) so you still get a huge noise from the sonic boom the round itself makes. They also make sub-sonic .22LR rounds which combined with the right gun and a good suppressor, are VERY quiet.

I think they are asking about the barrel movement. That is dealt with by the Nielsen Device, also called the Booster. Browning-action pistol cans have a booster, which is a spring-loaded piston in the blast chamber which decouples the weight of the can from the barrel, allowing the pistol to function properly.

@mrbattlenet The original intended purpose for silencers is actually kinda interesting. They were in fact developed to reduce the sound of guns so that the shooters could target practice without hearing protection and therefore carry on conversations while still having fun. So more or less, they were created to make guns more enjoyable :)

I've never known a dealer to do that. Once the Form 4 is approved, the ATF requires that the can be immediately transfered to the buyer, since the can is now registered to the buyer. Dealers don't want their products registered to someone that hasn't actually bought it yet. And if the person backs out, the dealer is committing a federal crime by continuing to possess a can registered to someone else (per ATF guidelines). Thus, the vast majority (if not all) require payment before paperwork.

Nice silencer and recoil control.

The tactical application of a suppressor is to soften the noise so that its impossible to tell where it came from. I've seen a demonstration of a suppressed barrett .50 cal. It was a soft thud like a 50lb sand bag hitting the ground which makes the noise a lot less directional than a sharp crack

That's why you go to some silencer shoots (like the AAC one in Georgia) or a range that rents NFA items to try them out. I went to an AAC shoot before ever buying a can and learned a great deal. Most NFA owners are used to questions and most are happy to let you put a few rounds downrange to try things out.

Yes, I've seen that video. It's actually sort of an audiovisual illusion that the unsuppressed gun has significantly more recoil than the suppressed one; your mind is telling you that the gun has more recoil because it sounds like it should, in other words. It's happened to me before, too. What you really want to keep an eye on is the muzzle flip produced by each gun. You'll find that the angle the barrel reaches at peak recoil is very similar between both weapons.

the .45ACP round does break the sound barrier like the .223Rem or even the .22LR. so with a suppressor on,it's even quieter.

Excellent control, sir.

The purpose of a suppressor mounted to a sidearm or submachine gun is not to make the shooter's location unrecognizable in a close combat situation. Rather, they're used to keep the weapon from deafening the shooter.

FYI, only wiped silencers get quieter when you lock the slide (like the 9mm KAC Hushpuppy the Navy used). But modern pistol cans, like the one in this video, are usually non-wiped and get louder with a slide lock.

If you think about it, many 1911-aficionados are carrying 7+1 and 2 extra mags with 7 rounds. That's 22 rounds of .45 ACP, and require 2 mag changes, which is pretty difficult when the SHTF. However, by way of comparison, another full-sized pistol like the CZ-75 SP-01 or the Sig P226 SCT or the XD-M can hold as much as 19+1 or 20+1 rounds of 9x19mm - that's nearly the same amount, but without two extra mags or having to reload twice!

The kick depends a lot on the weight of the weapon also. A heavier hand gun wont allow it to kick up as much, where a lighter hand gun will be "thrown around" easier. But with a strong wrist and firm hold, you can pretty much eliminate most kick, or at least be able to bring it back on target quickly.

Most MP5s are chambered 9mm, and 9mm is typically a supersonic load, so you will get a sonic boom from each bullet. Also some older suppressors use some form of wipe (rubber of some type) at the exit of the suppressor where the bullet squeezes through on exit. When these wear out the noise gets louder and louder. Lastly, some designs are just inefficient to begin with, and only reduce the sound to levels where most people wont need ear protection.

.45 ACP is the same thing as .45 "Auto", yes, since ACP = "Automatic Colt Pistol" (meaning the 1911A1). It's by far the most common .45 cartridge although there are a few others (.45 colt, .45 Webley, and the newer .45 GAP that Glock started a couple years back). As for the terms, the simplest way I can think of putting it is that the barrel is the tube through which the bullet travels after being fired, while the muzzle is the opening at the end of that tube.

To be technical, you dont even need a silencer to actually make your gun quieter, you can just use subsonic rounds. My dad once shot a 45 ACP round (that wasnt subsonic) through a silencer, and the silencer blew to pieces. Nonetheless, the only thing that really makes the gun even slightly quieter is the subsonic ammo you have to use when operatiing a gun with a silencer, but like soulsniper said, besides that the silencer is just meant to alter the sound of the blast.

Continuing, state and local governments can still pass gun bans not because they are permitted under the USSC's ruling in the Heller Case, but because the court has no way of enforcing its own rulings; that duty is left up to the executive, both federal and local.

I don't know about other weapons, but I don't see a problem with a 1911. The slide actually moves back, enshrouding the barrel. There really isn't a conflict with the face of the barrel and the face of the slide. Believe me, I had to get mine out to check.

You handled the reocoil like a boss

@IMFDB the 8th shot is usually in the chamber (the m1911's max capacity is 7+1)7 in the mag one in the chamber

Wow. That sounds so effective.

For a torso shot, it's just as likely to hit a bone and bounce off harmlessly as it is to bounce around inside. The soft, unjacketed lead of most .22 rounds will usually flatten out if it hits something hard, as opposed to bouncing around. If you're looking for a round that does what you say it does, the military SS109 projectile in the M855 cartridge will often turn sideways when it hits flesh due to the steel tip being lighter than the rest of the lead in the bullet.

It may have been loaded with subsonic ammunition. That is, the rounds had a reduced charge so as not to break the speed of sound and produce a sonic boom. A gun firing those will most certainly have a pronounced reduction in recoil at the obvious expense of penetration. The rounds fired by the 1911 - .45 ACP - are naturally subsonic, making them optimal for use with a suppressor.

firing subsonic ammunition is that the larger rounds (ie. 7.62x39) the bolt has problems returning the hammer to fire, so it has to be manually cycled. Im sure you can get softer springs for that.

Actually most 1911 .22 kits these days are available with threaded barrels. Ceiner, Marvel, and TacSol all make suppressable .22 kits for the 1911.

this is the nicest piece...damn.

That is true. While suppressors are legal under federal law, about 13-14 states prohibit them under state law. New Jersey, unfortunately, is one of those states.

@mattmatherson 1911, short for M1911, which means MODEL 1911, which means it was originally conceived in 1911, and could be produced any number of years after that.

@csmybuttt a suppressor is the part that screw on to the end of a barrel, a silencer, is a suppressor, in conjunction with other parts to make the gun virtually silent (its possible)

well, finally someone who knows what they're talking about.

I was being facetious the whole time, duderino. I was making light of the fact that he has a flashlight mounted under the barrel during full daylight.

Well, sure, a lot of people will say they want a coke, but choose a Sprite. A lot of people will talk about their car, and they own a truck. A lot of people call both tires and rims wheels, and so on; it doesn't mean they're right. A magazine can be a room full of bullets, or a box with ammo in it. Mannlicher coined the term clip a long time ago as a holder of ammo w/o which the firearm cannot function. The gun in the vid can fire without the mag. The terms are not interchangeable.

Sound suppressors are NFA items, so look up "National Firearms Act" on wikipedia. In short, you have to undergo an extensive background check,obtain a signature from your local sheriff/chief of police, fully register it, pay a $200 tax, and obtain permission from the ATF. That is, of course if you live in a state that respects your rights. This is nothing to do with a Class III, which is for would-be dealers of NFA items and NOT for individuals.

that sounds wicked sweet

usualy to make it quiter they use a lower pressure round and heavier bullet, or a slide locking device it hold the sound down more becase of the release of gasses leaving the back of the barrel, also to keep the cycling of the slide from making noise. It is a single shot type of thing most times if one wants it quitest.

subsonic ammo still has a report that you will hear in a blowback weapon as the gases are expelled through the ejection port. Silencers are only really useful on bolt-action rifles where all gases are expelled out the muzzle. Revolvers, semi-automatic rifles and pistols all expel gases out the chamber or ejection port. You do reduce the report of a silenced firearm using subsonic ammo but it's not the only thing you need to have a true silenced firearm.

.45ACP ammo is already sub-sonic. That's why it's so badass to suppress them. Average .45ACP round is 900fps super sonic is 1125fps at sea level.

There's a reason they are by definition referred to as suppressors. Not silencers. Nothing can make a firearm silent. Nothing. You can only take the volume down a little bit. This is why they are called suppressors. Not silencers.

You hit the nail right on the head; the US and Switzerland are completely different, as are the US and all other European nations. My reference to Switzerland's lax gun laws was merely a counter example to those who point to other European countries that have tighter gun restrictions, and lower murder rates (though in some cases, higher violent crime rates) as a basis for anti gun legislation in the US. That was my point to begin with, tighter gun laws have not worked in the US, why make more?

@mattmatherson that is a 1911, just has several attachments which makes it look more like a USP 45.

@blogsdo12 They are subsonic, as they are relatively low-velocity rounds to start with. However when supressed, they tend to be more audible when compared with 9mm or any smaller caliber.

i know that in reality it just suppresses the noise but it is called a silencer named after the man who invented it also it was called a hush puppy first than a silencer, and now a suppressor

Well, no. A suppressor doesn't actually reduce the recoil overly much. The weight of the suppressor does help balance the kick forward slightly, but this can be negated by the fact that a suppressor can actually act as a barrel extension, increasing muzzle velocity and energy, along with recoil. In the video above, you'll note that the 1911 w/ suppressor exhibits the usual level of recoil that you'd expect from a .45.

That is impressive, the term suppressor is accurate and the word silencer should be done away with all together because there is no such thing with regards to firearms. Most suppressors in my books are about three times that size but then again these may have been quieter. I have read about ammo that explodes internally to drive the bullet out like a miniature engine piston. Used in a regular 38 snuby most likely at point blank range. Still not silent but probably very quiet.

the legendary 1911, i love that pistol.

Some pistols without fixed barrels have to have a spring mechanism inside the suppressor which allows movement of the suppressor.

The Kimber Custom II is the standard weapon for LAPD SWAT aside from the suppressor, and threaded barrel.

Belive it or not suppressors in the Netherlands, Norway and France suppressors are unregistered and sold over the counter in sporing good stores.

@Spyder To be technical, ~95% of all .45 acp rounds are subsonic since the speed of sound is 1115fps at sea level and the average mussel velocity of a .45acp is around 800-900fps. You'd actually have a harder time finding .45acp ammo that wasn't subsonic.

@Blemo23 when we say jam for such mags for the deagle,especially if their spring is "hard" and you fully load it,i think its gonna be jamming like 2-3 times per mag so yeah it wouldnt be practical

@mattmatherson no, it's a Colt model 1911 . 1911 represents the year it entered production, but not the year OF production. (it's either the year it entered production or the year the design was finalized or whatever)

WOW! that was good handling

@fakts13 In fact, silencing a weapon impacts range, accuracy and velocity and can make it significantly less deadly.

@LexusFman the colt .45 was a great gun. but it was overshadowed by browning's design... it was chambered in .45 acp (automatic colt pistol) because that particular bullet (round) was the most popular and most readily available, this made it easy for the browning 1911 to be the army's gun of choice with out changing the ammo or the current soldiers familiarity with the weapon they are using. i do know what i am talking about- i currently have 5 1911's and have a nighthawk on the way.. best gun

Furthermore, if you listen to the video you will hear that guns with suppressors still make PLENTY of noise--they're just a lot easier on your ears when you're the one shooting.

@WeAreTwoDoorsDown not all, just the common 230 Grain .45ACP is subsonic (and probably .45ACP of higher lead grain), you can get supersonic .45ACP

Killer sandals, man!

@amy2x Actually its already had its 100th birthday. If you mean that it has been in the US service 100 years this year then, yes.

great silencer!!!

I agree, capacity isn't everything. I never said otherwise. That said, capacity is HIGHLY important when considering full-sized handguns for duty/self-defense purposes. A standard 7+1 just doesn't cut it, IMO. And I wouldn't bother citing which guns "X military group uses." By parity, I could point out that the SEALs are issued Sig P228s. A standard 7+1 1911 is a fine handgun and a very good one at that, but 7+1 capacity is simply too little for duty/self-defense...

first off the only reason range would be affected at all by the use of a suppressor is because generally you would use a "subsonic" load. this type of round would travel slower then the regular rounds therefore affecting range. however i do believe that 45acp is subsonic when using bullet weight of 230gr. so range would not be affected at all

@mattmatherson 1911 is the model, many companies make 1911's but the original one was designed by John Browning and adopted by the army on march 29th 1911 , thus the name .

Nice shooting. Suppressor seems to work great. :)

Thats a very good silencer

CA, HI, KS, MA, MI, MN (dammit), MO, NJ, NY, RI, and VT are the states that ban sound suppressors. Granted, I got that from a source last updated in 2003, so it could have changed around a bit since.

A .22 is the most lethal round on earth. The worst case scenario for paramedics or anyone for that matter, is the .22 fragmenting upon penetration or impact. A .22 to the chest will most likely kill you faster than an 9mm or .45, as it shreds and tears apart within the victim. SEAL teams used to use .22 suppressed rugers a while back for that very purpose.

Yeah, that's the whole point of a supressor is to change the sound of the gases expanding behind the round and out of the barrel so you don't arise attention.

wow great suppressor!!

@Blahblobify i was describing an integrated silencer aka a FULLY silenced gun, like an mp5ssd or a Vss the internals are designed to be quiter

Actually it would be much, much louder indoors. The sound of the gun would bounce off the walls whereas outside it just dissipates.

Actually, you buy it BEFORE paying the $200 tax. The tax form has to have the can's serial # on it, so naturally you must have picked it out and paid for it first. Anyone who can buy a handgun (21+ with clean record) can own a suppressor in the US. I own 3, they're great fun.

@movietow Silencers have never been illegal on the federal level in the US. Certain states might not let you own them, but most states do. You can even have machineguns, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, destructive devices, and what's known as an any other weapon.

@Monxer Haha I had forgot all about the whole silencer thing. But thanks a lot dude, I just kinda gave up on it but now I might re-think that.

The most realistic way to simulate a 'suppressed' pistol is the take a sheet of A4 paper, and flick the top corner of it. That snap is the closest you can get to it. Even with a suppressor its still advised to wear ear defenders too, because the high frequencies are still loud enough to do perforate the eardrums over prolonged use. And no @ConstantlyRushing it is not the bolt slamming shut XD That sound is masked by the noise of the roudn going off =]

Thats one scaryly effective silencer! Sounds more like an airsoft gun than anything else! Bet that cost a bit.

No sweat, sorry if I came off harsh. There's a lot of misinformation out there on suppressors, even among people with FFLs. I've had several FFLs tell me that NFA items are completely illegal, and others who told me I should call my silencers "suppressors" to keep from getting arrested. :-)

@AGeekWithAShotgun Finally! Someone with a little knowlege of, what i consider to be, the best pistol in the world.. props

@Rambowookie Standard magazines carry 7, but you can get modified ones that hold 8.

HOW IS THIS VIDEO NOT VIRAL? SRSLY! IT HAS OVER 1 MILLION VIEWS!! no hate. cool vid.

It was Naked Snake that carried a 1911 .45.

A. There are double stack 1911's B.You can get longer clips like a 30 round

I had heard (and witnessed) various mag failures when using 8+1 and up mag capacity in a single-stack 1911, so I'm not entirely sure I could trust a 10+1 single-stack mag on a 1911.

@csmybuttt true, I think Taurus also made a 14 rounder for a short while. Any 1911 afficionado would say that true 1911s are single stack only haha. Imagine how beefy the grips would be on a 14 round clip of .45

The 'Hush Puppy' was a Smith and Wesson Mk 22 9mm suppressed semi-automatic pistol. While the 9x19 is normally not good through a suppressor, there was a green-tip 158 grain round developed just for moving slow and quiet. On the 1911 .22 conversion kits, there's no provisions to mount a suppressor. It does replace all parts in the slide, except for the extractor and sights. That includes a softer recoil spring. You don't happen to have any idea what you're talking about, do you?

@the1991fox Think of a soda can. Put a hole in the bottom so a projectile can go through without hitting the can. Then put "baffles" (think of many layers of walls with a hole for the bullet to go through). The bullet never touches the silencer because that would break it, the gases that follow the bullet get trapped in the many layers of the silencer.

@bikerD15 It is, but technically if it becomes less effective at any range, that makes it less deadly, even if just slightly

It's the 1911's 100th anniversary this year.

@leeham991 No, in the U.S. you have to obtain a federal permit to purchase a silencer through a class 3 firearms dealer. It is illegal for a civilian to make his own silencer.

Snake couldn't be more proud right now!

You can also have 10 rounds, in a slightly extended single stack mag, without resorting to a double stack frame. The near-perfect handling, weight, accuracy, and balance of a tuned 1911 are all ruined by bulky double stacks.

Normally I'd agree...but you can see the shells. I'll believe they're .45. That supressor is pretty raw

I'm not saying that magazine capacity is the only factor in terms of the firepower of a weapon. But, AFAIK, the .45 and 9x19 have little difference terms of actual stopping power in standard, commonly available expanding loads. So, keeping stopping power constant, it seems that capacity is a key issue when considering a full-sized handgun for self-defense or duty purposes. I like 1911s just fine - but 7+1 is just anemic in terms of capacity.

After looking through my Family tree i found Browning is a VERY distant relative of mine.

@paintballplayer700 There is a difference. Suppressors, suppress sound and muzzle flash. Silencers.... silence. There is a huge audible difference between the two.

@ZeppelinFreak13 I agree with your point about the military using .45 caliber pistols, though I personally think the H&K USP .45 is a better choice than the 1911

Wow, you look some strong to hold a .45 like that.

Wow that is not noisy at all. People that say its loud, obviously never shot a gun before or if they did they don't know any better. A 9mm is loud, a .45 is like a damn stick of dynamite going off loud. This is like a stick hitting a fence type of loud, which in comparison is very not noisy.

so cool good job

@Robbaz Suppressors do not SILENCE. They suppress. To completely silence a firearm is impossible.