The willys go devil 134 's were proven in WWI I . Willys knew how to build an engine that was easily serviced, durable, and repairable in the field. . One reason for our countrys victory . Great video Jonathan !
Damn thing had some surprises in the pan that's crazy it seemed to run good for one of the valves not working at all I bet Noah is loving tearing down that engine I know I use to love it as a kid and still do as long as I am not paying for the rebuild lol!! she gonna be brand new once you get that end play and valve fixed up
That crank looks good and stout, especially for 1929. Much better than a Ford Model T, although the Model A was out in 1927 which had a much better crank than the T. I bet that engine will run good once you're finished with it.
Cool I enjoy seeing you guys work so hard on this stuff you work on. I think it is great how you are helping Noah learn you are a great teacher! I am a disabled mechanic and a arm chair student. I then share with my wife what I learn from watching. Thanks for good clean content!!!
We have a 1911 Overland which was the predecessor to Willy’s if I understand correctly. My grandpa restored the car in the mid 50s. It’s the only one left in the family of his and means so much to us.
Noah has no idea how much he is learning from a real pro. I know he is enjoying the work and interested in everything! I know this because I was lucky enough to get room and board from an old guy who did the same for me when I was an orphan on my own at 13 (1963). Jonathan, how old is Noah? BTW, the old gentleman (a backyard mechanic and wrencher) didn’t ask me to work nor make me work. He just gave me a place to stay if I wanted. I’m the one who was interested in wrenching on old cars/engines etc..and asked if I could help because I was interested and liked working anyway. Noah reminds me of those wonderful days where I learned more than I could ever imagine! Jonathan, do I remember you saying Noah is related somehow? Noah the apprentice and Jonathan as a mentor. God had a hand in getting you two together!
Noah is a friend of mine's grandson and I am also friends with his father (he painted my 4 door rollback). I have been friends with his grandfather for over 25 years. His grandfather did a lot of chopped Mercury's, 4 door to convertible conversions, frenched headlights and custom stuff. Noah is 18 years old.
Agreed, 100% !! This situation is not happening nearly enough these days as we have all been "snookered" into believing "absent a college education, a person is a FAILED LOOSER". We (our American society) have completely discounted the value of skill and "the work ethic" in favor of "higher education" completely ignoring the fact that the "Steve Jobs" and "Walt Disneys", with their "visions", are nowhere without the guy who can take those visions and turn them into "reality".
MRwmac....I totally agree...This Boy is very Lucky, and I think he knows it. Story after story from guys Our age tell me that this is way to rare....Thank God for our friend Jonathan
i wouldnt say its "college or bust" that is the problem. i have a trade, and am still having trouble finding a job. its the 70+ year olds that wont retire that are the problem. bad economy areas exist too. if you stopped looking at everything as a negative, things would be better.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 You are correct sir. I've always thought some guys kept working waaay too long. Told them to there face..you need to retire to make room for another generation. Some had 40yrs with the same company. Some said they had to pay off their kids education. Poor planning...and make THEM pay off their education. I have 5 children...retired with 34yrs on the same job at age 56. One problem I saw was at least 10% of the employees I left behind were from some other country. Did I retire at age 56 so some guy from a foreign country could fill my spot? Guess I shouldn't concern myself with such matters.
Bugger, thought it was a good thing. (Commenting as i watch lol) Your a cluey dude Jonathon.. but we all knew dat. Up to liffter adjuster broken n found. Sorry ive had a few jacks. Lol Go Noah!! I wish we had more young blokes like Noah over here. Too many lazy Princesses
Willy's always had this little things to make a mechanic's life easier. I helped a guy tear down a sleeve valve motor from a 29 Knight. It was all rusted inside but everything slid apart nicely because the all the wear surfaces we're designed to hold oil against them, and we're still lubricated after sitting in the Nevada desert for at least 40 years. The guy that owned the car the engine came out of dropped a Dodge V10 in the thing, he was a crazy bastard.
Fine project for Noah, he will probably get that Willys running quicker than your Elcar... Thought the engine looked similar to a Jeep 'Go Devil' , thanks for the information.
The go devil engine was a overhead intake valve engine called the f 134 the l134 Is the flat head a common mistake a lot of people make the original military jeeps had the l134
No you have been mis-informed. The flat head Whippet engine was modernised in the second half of the thirties. The name engineering called the modernised engine was the 'go devil engine'. It was most famous as the power plant in the Jeep of WWII. The F-134 was the same engine with a different head than the go-devil. The F in the new name was because it was called an F-head in the U.S. Overhead intake, side exhaust. Quite a lively little engine, and very hard to wear out.
The Whippet engine was way ahead of its time. A 134 cu inch 4 cylinder high rpm (for the time it first came out) small bore, long stroke engine. Most American engines of the day were of equal bore and stroke and turned at 2,000 rpm max under load. In 1936 the engine was modernised in order to keep Willys competitive in the low price field for the new body and frame coming out in 1937. Engine was now rated at 3600 rpm instead of 3200, and was even tougher and longer lasting than the earlier original Whippet engine used until late 1936. The 1937 engine was referred to as the 'Go Devil Engine'. Willys-Overland did not still have the plant capacity available to manufacture Jeeps in the numbers needed so Ford started manufacturing Jeeps as well, 'Go Devil Engines' and all. The Army contract specified total interchangeability of parts. After WWII, more power was needed, so a new head was designed with an inlet valve for each cylinder. Exhaust valves stayed in the block.
Talk to metalshaper here on RU-vid. He does a lot of work with early Willy’s engines in old jeeps. Would probably have answers to all your questions, and may even have parts.
John Acuff I need to contact Metalshaper. Have an old marine engine based on a Williys 4 cyl. The crank needs to be shortened for the marine gearbox. Kermath engine.
My first thought on the strange double nut you found in the oil pan? Someone playing a cruel joke put it there to confound the next person pulling the pan, probably not even from the Whippet! I will watch more to see how it turns out.
First off,, I'd like to agree with everyone else's post on young Noah,,, Way to go young man, you have a very good teacher, so soak it all in... No better way of Learning than "Hands On".. and Trial and Error... Not everything can be learned from a Book....Secondly,, Jonathan, I remember helping my Grandfather do something similar to his old International tractor...We used a piece of Stainless steel for a shim,, and took a Triangle File and very lightly cut across it... 12 to 6 o'clock on one side, 3 to 9 o'clock on the reverse... He wanted to be sure oil would be able to contact both the crank and bearing...Never had any trouble with it afterward..... Just throwing it out there as a suggestion...Keep up the videos,,, Been watching them all......
as for the end play, I've seen old engines that had end play, it's not ideal but I doubt you will be driving the car for a real long distance, I don't think I would worry too much about that. by the way, I think you have a very good helper, he's not afraid of work or to get dirty and he seems very interested it this kind of work.
Man Jonathan, You continually impress me!!!!!!!!! I am imagining that pneumatic driver is for semi truck lug nuts but, That is not my point! Your tool game is serious! More extensive then mine! I do not have a lathe & I often think of the tools that I do not own & it bothers me! I believe that a person is only as good as the tools they own/have at their disposal & their ability, skill, drive, & know how, & knowledge! You always impress & that is why I watch your channel everyday, well,,,Every chance I get anyways...
a little extra end thrust play is likely no big deal. or use a knerling tool to knerl the end of the brass insert so as to take up the slack a bit. I would guess the original spec was something like .005 end play.
looking at that bearing and given the front side of the thrust had no wear i'd turn it around to the rear you'll probably find it would take the movement out ant that gear on the front would possibly go in the worn distance on the front of the thrust
a friend of calls this on location modification ,don't know where he came up with it but , I am sure you will get it done ,enjoy your videos as always , thanks
We have a 52 bel aire that I'm pretty sure still has poured Babbitt bearings in it, I hope to keep that motor after my folks do a restomod of sorts on the car, so I can learn about how they were built and maybe to a rebuild on it.
sam hill Yeah I just read about that. In the 216 and the 235 they used inserts for the crank main bearings and babbitt in the connecting rod bearings. You can convert them to use inserts. If you want to resto mod it you could put a 292 in it since those have plenty of power and they'll run practically forever if you take good care of them.
That is not a Continenetal design. Pure Willys. Such a good engine it was modified and updated and being used until the 70's. It was converted to an IOE in the fifties. (F head).
The reason I shy away from welding a crank is the fact that they warp so easy. For it to be done right it would cost a lot. I spent $1200 on one. There are very few competent sops of any kind left, China makes crankshafts cheaper than having one ground.
Well the sound it was making when you had it running, sounds like one of old Al Capone’s car, maybe the tolerance on that crank was meant to have a little play, I wouldn’t know but maybe ,anyways, my friend, your channel is the best
FYI RU-vid channel Engels coach shop builds and repairs every thing to do with wagons yes is also a wheel Wright, in business for 40 years you will be impressed bill
what where they doin in those days as far as thrust bearing or a adjustable bolt doubled nuted, or center main bearing has the thrust as part of that bearing,,,,,,,,,,, cant wait to see the answer!! just sayin
Jonathan, Excellent video, as always. I would like to suggest a couple things. First: it is a good idea to use a c-clamp or pin on the end of the fork when lifting with a chain so the chain won't slip off. Second: I would recomend the thrust washer be made of "oil bronze", the same material as the bushings in a distributer. It is hard enough to last a long time and slippery enough to hold up to the clutch pressure and not wear the crank face. Noah has a great teacher, he will have the advantage of all that old time knowledge the young mechanics today have no clue about. You're a good man Jonathan.
I like seeing those wire tied fasteners, there's a sign of an engine that was made to run well for a long time. Willys made and used good engines back in the day; here's proof.
It's good to see you working with & teaching your son! I had 2 daughters & 2 grand daughters & I taught them to check the oil & change a tire Check the air pressure in the tires. But just had a great grandson 4 weeks ago & finally have someone I hope will want to learn to work on "STUFF"! It's sad how no one can fix their own things these days! Just throw it away & get a new one!
So that's how they we're getting done way back in 1929... l'd never thought they'd had a timing chain like that & l like the lifter setup too...never know - maybe o' Charlie Taylor was Bud's with 1 of those guys over there & they'd talk shop every now & then over coffee & a smoke...good video Jonathan - learn something every time
I am sure it has already been said, but can you not just replace the bearing? It seems like if you got a proper width bearing back in there, or even oversize, it would be an easy fix.
very good informative video, Noah looked fairly dirty prior to stopping for the night, not just clothes, but face and hands. always sad to see your videos end.
I really enjoy watching your videos. And you are lucky to have Noah wanting to come down and help you out. You both are doing great things for each other, you getting help and Noah learning how to work on many types of cars and trucks. You guys appear to work good together. Keep up the good work and I know it's not really work if you enjoy what your doing. See ya in the next video.
Flat head Willy's was my first engine overhaul and finished my career on helicopters. Tell Noah he's walking the right path keep going it's great at the end.
Had the same on model t fords. Made brass thrust washer, riveted to Babbitt bearing with aluminum rivet, split brass washer and used on removable main bearing cap. Half a thrust washer. But didn't have to remove Babbitt or crank.
As a machinist, I don't think I'd use stainless for a shim, especially any 300 series. It's notorious for galling when drilling and tapping. It may do the same thing with the pressure from the clutch over time. If you really want stainless, go with 420 or 440. It's harder and will reduce the chance of galling. Noah - It's good to see someone young not afraid to get dirty! Listen to Jonathan, he knows his stuff!
Thank you Jonathon and Noah for yet another great video full of information , wisdom and knowledge , can't wait to see how well she runs once repaired given how sweet it was faults and all - cheers
well i didnt think you were gonna tear it down right away!!!! noahs new project! cool! i got a f124 continental i just got unstuck, and i think i broke 2 lifters, two rear valves wont open.i havent taken the side pan off yet to see what happened! take care!
