1945 Naval Bombardment of Japan 

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Lol right….that is crazy. Almost seems unbelievable.

@@TheGpono Your comment was so all over the place it made no sense at all

Leading to the famous cartoon caption “Excuse please. WHAT war over?”

Is that the same guy that landed on Gilligan's Island?

@@TheGpono Eh ... there's a lot of truth to what you're saying but ... if the engineering on the Three Gorges Damn is an example ... there's some problems there ... www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2F1s%2F2019%2F07%2F09%2F16%2F15828948-0-image-a-4_1562687473377.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-7227511%2FThree-Gorges-Dam-safe-say-China-officials-dismissing-online-rumors.html&tbnid=-6FpJffFZgwCTM&vet=10CIoBEDMopgFqFwoTCMi__qGi8fECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAC..i&docid=0mbNkQl9_tDpWM&w=1908&h=1146&itg=1&q=Three%20Gorges%20Dam&client=firefox-b-1-d&ved=0CIoBEDMopgFqFwoTCMi__qGi8fECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAC If they can get rid of the Communists - then - yes - China's probably going to be the worlds dominant power within 50 years. We'll see how all the people that hate the US like that .... .

. *WE ... ARE THE BORG!*

But first used in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy.

@@SLane249 Damn Borg steal everything.

don't... go... there >

It's sad when pop culture garbage is the first thing some people think about when relating to history. There are no Borg and that nonsense is for children. That sort of media helps stupefy the world and wastes thought more rewardingly used on intelligent subjects which enhance one's life. It's best confined to discussions of Hollywood as it has no part in serious discussions of history from before its creators were born.

He >probably< would have been ok. For the invasion the Japanese planned to target not the heavily armed carriers and battleships but rather the troop transports and landing craft. Yes they even planned to target the hospital ships.

Fireman, hot job!

Are you so sure about that? The density of explosives is much much much less than that of steel. HE was used against anything other than armored (BB's) warships.

50,000 casualties on Okinawa against 100,000 troops. 1 million causalities on mainland Japan against many more times enemy forces was far from an exaggeration

So much for those who say it was unethical and immoral for the US to use nuclear weapons on Japan. It speaks volumes when even your former enemy said it was a good thing. Both sides would have lost millions of people. US, soldiers, airmen, and navy, the Japanese, military, men, women, children, and babies. The Japanese people, not just combatants, would have been annihilated.

You cannot judge history by todays standards. I believe it was the right idea then and considering the losses both sides would have suffered, it was still a god idea in modern times. It saved lives

@@828enigma6 I’m very surprised that all those anti-drop the bombers haven’t chimed in on any of these conversations. Usually I can’t resist trying to explain why and what would have happened if not ans that the firebombing raids killed more. But they usually are blocked off from any logic and facts. Kinda of like some people that are running OUR country into the ground as we speak

During the war the ratio of casualties (killed, crippled, seriously injured) were 11 Japanese for every 1 ally. The strategist for the allies had gotten very good at estimating the number of casualties so they could plan on having enough medical personnel and supplies on hand to care for all of the injured and to handle the bodies of all those killed. Those strategist estimated over 3 million allied casualties to invade and conquer the Japanese home island.

My farther's LST (Landing Ship Tank) was going to be in the 1st wave of the landings by Nagasaki. (Operation Olympic, the invasion of Kyushu, was the first of two landings that Operation Downfall would entail) That's how much resistance they were expecting! Normally a LST doesn't go in until the 3rd wave (or after), rarely on the 2nd wave, since in the Pacific the need for tanks wasn't as great.... The Trouble was that due to the cliffs and almost cliffs on Kyushu plus reefs & shoals, meant that there were very few places where a Landing could take place and the Japanese knew this, so the need for tanks in the first wave was great. My father, who already experienced Kamikaze attacks figured that odds were that the A-Bomb probably saved his life since, as he noted, LST also stood for Large Slow Target!

I had just posted a comment reflecting that very same thing!

I haven’t been on the ship itself in years, but I get chills every time I see the radar mast peaking above the Braga Bridge.

And had zero casualties it’s entire wartime career

My dad who is still around worked at Springfield armory home of the m1 Garand rifle.

Love the battleship Massachusetts, built a model of it as kid. I remember the awe i felt the first time i saw it.

Gray also attacked Tirpitz and had a self depreciating sense of humour. From what I have read he pressed hard all the time and getting hit by flak was just routine for him. Canadian Warplane Heritage had a Corsair painted in his markings, but had to sell it to finance the museum. A very tough and divisive call for them to make.

While it was the last VC earned in WWII, the last awarded was another Canadian. CSM Osborne, for his actions at Hong Kong in 1941. Also posthumous

@@captainjoshuagleiberman2778 There the short version of 'he was a POW awhile, and had somewhat of a hard time to boot' that is there when the subject of HK vets comes up.

@@chuckhainsworth4801 no he was killed at Hong Kong jumping on a grenade

@@hughledger7835 The other sad reality of dealing HK vets.

Neither were my uncles, one in Walla Walla training for combat in Japan after serving two years in combat in Europe, another in a fighter plane in the Pacific, the third looking at his orders in Austria for deployment to the Pacific after his discharge from hospital for wounds, when word of the drop of the Super Bomb came.

Those two bombs saved more lives than they took. Also .. it gave warning to the Russians .. in the Pacific and Western Europe.

My dad too. He was an engineer officer and had the luck to spend the whole war in the USA building facilities, but he was scheduled to be in the invasion of Japan. Nobody in my family had any objection to A-bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

@@Axgoodofdunemaul And today I drive a car made in Hiroshima and my Dad had a Toyota PU truck. Funny world.

My father was a 19 year old Marine on Okinawa, preparing with his division to invade Japan. He joined the Marines when he was 17 in 1943, and had served at Peleliu and Okinawa campaigns. I try to image what it was like for a 19 year-old aged by war and horror to be given a new lease on life with the surrender of Japan, thanks to those bombs.

David, thanks for this comment - it's both enlightening and moving...

Resistance is Futile...

Will Smith as Agent J in Men In Black

@@cheif10thumbs DING DING DING!!! You are CO-RRRRRRECT, Suh! $69 for YOU! (Was 99.9999% sure but required some backup. Thank you, suhh!

Very true , generally speaking .

Agent J MIB

We can look back on the bombings in hindsight as horrific and "wasn't there another way?", but in truth there wasn't any that would not have resulted in more casualties. Nagasaki, had it been delayed a few more days, may have been avoided by the Japanese officials getting solid info on Hiroshima's demise and an immediate surrender. There were still die hards left among the leaders and the emperor might not have felt the overwhelming tide against them as he had with the two bombings so close together. Regardless, it was the right call by Truman at the time given the information and situation, and one I hope no one ever has to make again.

@@chrismaverick9828 One account was that the Japanese high command was stunned at the revelation of the second atomic bomb being dropped. In this era where there are literally thousands of nuclear devices it’s hard to recall that in 1945 an atomic bomb was only a remote scientific possibility to the Japanese. The US possessing and exploding one such device was hard to comprehend. The detonation of a second atomic bomb made it clear this was not a singular event. At that point the Japanese leaders knew the US might have many more. The question would be whether the US would run out of atomic bombs before Japan ran out of people.

@@chrismaverick9828 Even after the bombing of Nagasaki, the Supreme Command was still deadlocked about unconditional surrender or a brokered peace. Hirohito had to finally step in and accept unconditional surrender. Even then a coup attempt by hardliners nearly derailed peace.

Indeed, a third bomb was on the way to Japan.

The DOD is Still issuing Purple Hearts stockpiled for Peration Downfall

Agreed,

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Mark Felton!!!

Good Heavens!!! Please tell us what he said.

RU-vid is an amazing place. There is another poster here who’s grandfather was on one of the destroyers doing the bombardment!

As the bombs fell, the guards, mostly boys and old men, disappeared leaving the POWs free to escape but there would be nowhere to hide for a 6ft white man in Japan. He was billeted with a local family so he ran to the house and helped the Mamason escape with her 3 kids to take shelter in a nearby drainage canal where they were safe until one of the bombs destroyed the dam upstream and one of the children was washed away downstream in the resulting flash flood and was never seen again.

@@lorimiller5348 Thank you for sharing.

I'm sorry but I can't do the story justice, I have to leave out the goriest details...

Fighting for the America Flag IS fighting to defend the right of people to be free. Same thing.

My father's destroyer, USS Selfridge DD357 fought in the Solomons after it escaped from Pearl Harbor. Sustained two torpedoes and had the bow and main gun ripped to shreds. He also was a quiet man and didn't have any fake patriotism. RIP all the American heroes.

As a 70 yr old WWII history buff this was the first time I ever heard about these naval actions.

The end of the Asian - Pacific war is so complex . Two events nearly all historians miss are 1 ) July 26th , 1945 Potsdam Declaration , where sections 6 ) , 10 ) and 12 ) make it clear Truman and his advisors wanted to change Japan into a democracy with human rights . Under US occupation , Japan's Constitution was changed in 1947 . Also , suggest reading the declassified document written by Henry Simpson , dated July 2nd , 1945 - which gives good incite into US intentions . 2 ) The Stalin's Declaration of war on Japan on August 9th , 1945 - and the Soviet Army's attack on Japanese Army in Manchuria .

Your Grandfather was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-652)

RU-vid is an amazing place. There is another poster here who’s grandfather was working as a POW in the plant during the bombardment!

Yes the ingersoll. He and i are from bath, maine where the ship was built ironically. That is crazy, the interwebs make an already small world much smaller.

@@Sakai070 That’s an incredible set of coincidences! 😎

God bless your grandfather. Thank you for his service.

Actually for some months before Nagasaki, Japan was a target-depleted environment, with a paucity of targets for bombers and submarines, except on northern islands.

@@jacquesblaque7728 What I meant was that the Japanese military had a lot of Allied ships and planes moving toward them. "A target rich environment". But not in a good way because they were massively outnumbered.

@@havenhemmings3574 I mistakenly thought you meant that we, the allies, were "target rich". Just glad it all worked out as well as it did.

Aye, given how the military and civilians on Iwo Jima acted in fanatical fights to the death and performing mass suicides rather than surrender, all bets were off.

@@LupercusArchanus That would be Saipan - there were not many civilians on Iwo Jima. .

@@BobSmith-dk8nw or Okinawa

@@BobSmith-dk8nw There were 100k civilian deaths on Okinawa alone...

@@Connor-vj7vf Yes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa#Civilian_losses,_suicides,_and_atrocities .

My grandfather sailed home on her after the war.

I've walked her decks many times, a great museum. My father served aboard the USS Tennessee BB43.

Thank you for your service. And God bless.

Ha! I was thinking the same thing. He hated to miss a good typhoon you know.

Just realized there's Halsey in UNSC halo as well

Imagine Admiral King's reaction if Halsey had steered the fleet into yet another typhoon. :D

"Yeet fleet" Halsey.

hahaha... bad weather forecasting back then

True

I've seen two documentaries on the Franklin, the captain at the time of attack should have been jailed for his actions and lack of during and after the attack. The men on board are who saved the ship because of their training and leadership of junior officers.

@@jimzivny1554 Agreed. Dad told me the 1st Captain was a good leader and very well respected. But the last one was a real piece of work. Even the Marine air group didn't like him.

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Japan likely would have been invaded by Russia would had just started aggression toward the Japanese. Some historians point out that may have been more of an incentive for Japan to surrender than the two atomic bombings did.

@@cernowaingreenman Actually Russia did invade the Kuril Islands which was Japanese territory before the war. Russia being Russia didn't surrender it at the end and I think it is still in dispute today. I'm sure that had some influence to their decision to surrender. But I think there were many, many issues that lead to their decision. Still, we were the first to invading military to set foot Japanese territory in over 2,000 years.

just toured her for the 3rd time back in march

True, more Japanese were killed in the firebombing of Tokyo than either of the attacks on Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Dan Carlin’s stuff is excellent, some of the best. Not familiar with Mike Duncan, but I’ll look into him.

@@samstevens7172 Mike does deep dives into revolutions, from all over the world. His Roaman, English and American series are incredible. Give yourself plenty of time for his series of podcasts, he’s done hundreds of hours of work in this field.

@@briangarrow448 and the name of his podcast? I could also recommend History on Fire, although I’m not sure what’s left after he went to a pay platform. And English is his second language, but his stuff is excellent IMO. And Thanks!

@@samstevens7172 I have listened to History on Fire, and yes, it is good. I think Mike’s podcast is just called “Revolutions” and I believe some of it is on RU-vid.

@@samstevens7172 Mike Duncan has a podcast where he touches the “History of Rome” from the beginning to end of the western empire. He also has a podcast about various revolutions in world history

Aircraft became guidance and carrying platforms for very long range shells.

Untrue “Wisconsin” participated in desert storm

@@zbrown72 yep been on that ship a few times.

The "Era of the Battleships" had already been long over - they just didn't know it until the war actually started. Even then though - aircraft only ruled the day - while surface naval forces ruled the night. Thus the waters off Guadalcanal became Iron Bottom Sound largely through Night Time Naval Combat. So - the only aspect of things that had ended - was the era when the Battleship had been the - _dominant_ - role in Naval Warfare. Aircraft had replaced it as the _dominant_ factor but that did NOT mean it didn't have a role to play. Here - the role shifted to one of escorting the aircraft carriers as unescorted aircraft carriers were very easy pickings for surface combatants - as was found out by HMS Glorious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Glorious#Sinking That and Battleships carried a vast number of AA weapons to help protect Carriers from air attacks. So - saying the era of the Battleship was over - is simplistic. .

@@zbrown72 Sure, they were still around. But they ceased being the Navy's primary weapon or "Capitol Ship" after WWII.

no one beats Ryan! USS North Carolina ain't bad either....

@@__hjg__2123 Ryan is so well versed. Sent him a question about the US New Jersey. He got back with very intetesting facts. He should have his own history show on naval ships.

It is really excellent.

Tombstone!

hear hear! Well said

William Tecumseh Sherman would be proud.

My uncles were both Marines and was at Pearl during the bombing. I met one of the I was like 5 years old. My father and mother said they never talked about the war.

@@greenbeen_079 Dad never talked about the fighting. Talked about the occupation and training at Camp Tarawa for the invasion. He came home and finished high school. Joined the OANG in time for The Korean war.

I believe your father was in the 5th Marine Division. 'The 5th Marines" is a Regiment in the 1 st Marine Division. The regiments of the 5th Marine Division were the 26th-29th Marines. Your father was part of a great outfit, Semper Fidelis.

@@jeremyperala839 He was one of those Leathernecks.

My Father was with the 1st Marine Division in the Pacific and was on Okinawa when the Japanese surrendered. After 3 invasions, Cape Goulester, Pelielu and Okinawa he thought he would be going home but the 1st Marine Division was sent to China to guard trains from the communist. There were some Marines that did get to go home under a point system, after 3 invasions he should have had enough but that wasn't the case. This is A GREAT VIDEO and I hadn't heard of it before thanks for the education History Guy.

Judging from their defense of Iwo Jima and Okinawa, relatively minor parts of Japanese soil, I'd say at the very least a couple million of the 29 million men Japan had to defend the Home Islands (2 million IJA and 27 million militia) would've been killed in the invasion along with hundreds of thousands, if not, millions, of Allied soldiers. The roughly quarter million killed by the atomic bombings and the Soviet offense in Manchuria ended up saving millions of lives.

@@randomlyentertaining8287 The Japanese military killed 13 million innocent civilians. More than 300,000 POWs died in Japanese captivity. Thousands died in slave labor. The Japanese military kidnapped 200,000 Asian women and forced them into prostitution for their soldiers. All that stopped when the bombs dropped.

@John Cliff The Japanese military were convinced your opinion was wrong, that US citizens would get sick of seeing their sons slaughtered in battle, whereas Japanese soldiers would gladly die gloriously for their emperor. The Japanese military thought time was on their side, despite privation of food and material because of the allied blockade of Japan. The atomic bomb proved a single detonation could cause Instant, widespread destruction and kill tens of thousands. That, and the encroachment of the Russian army told Emperor Hirohito time was not on his side. Many in the Japanese military were willing to fight to the last man woman and child. Of course, not a few of Japanese military leaders committed suicide rather than face their enemy, so there’s that.

The A-bomb attacks were a little message to Russia.

@@dariusjackelson9915 Now with china biden it won't make any difference.

a former co worker of mine was an air force jet jockey and while on his way back from NV almost took a 16 inch HC from NJ to the snout. he wandered into their air space unknownglily. he says he started screaming into his radio someone was firing balistic missles. air control came back told him get out of there its a navy battleship shooting!

June 1985 i was finishing up mu army training in Missouri

Not quite - the war didn't officially end until the reunification of Germany in 1989. Technically it was an armistice until then. My brother was stationed in Berlin in '84-'85 and got a WW2 Occupation Medal from the US Army. He came home with pieces of the Wall he had to brave mines to take, and a few years later chunks were available at Wal-Mart. I met Paul Tibbets at a book signing, and he made it clear he slept well at night knowing he saved far more lives than he took. And I loved seeing the large number of Japanese tourists taking his picture, just like the stereotype.

@Richard Blake Absolutely true.

There is a "Battlefields" episode about it. It was one of the biggest invasions of the war and is hardly ever mentioned. Mainly because of the Cold War I think. Stalin agreed to come into the war against Japan a couple of months after Germany surrendered and actually fulfilled his promise. Just as D-Day gets all the attention and Bagration is almost ignored so Iwo Jima and Okinawa leave the USSR's invasion of Manchuria in the shade. It's worth noting that the USSR withdrew from Manchuria in may 1946. Many years before US forces withdrew from Japan. I'd not defending Stalin. He was a sociopath. Just saying, there is more than one perspective.

A Men

Amateur warriors talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics.

Watch “The Fog of War”. Very interesting discussion of this issue by Robert McNamara.

No they didnt. If they surrendered unconditionally why did Hirohito live into the 90s? I'm not trying to be argumentative or a jerk but clearly there was a deal cut. That is, by definition, a condition.

A reasonable condition being that only Emporer Hirohito could convince the Japanese people and most of the military to accept the surrender and honor it.

Not even mad, I'll bet. After years in Imperial Japanese internement, I'll bet that the thought of being killed by the holy shitstorm of US fury, knowing that it was the enemy's reckoning finally come, would have carried a profound satisfaction. I like to think I'd have stood up with a smile on my face and my arms outstretched toward the sky as we heard those shells come whistling in.

Psychotic Madness.

D&D didn't exist then. Oppenheimer was not a vengeful man, and in fact opposed the development of fusion bombs. His actual feelings? “I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad-Gita,” he said. “‘Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.’ I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.” He did not relish more destruction.

@@owenbrau63 😂. I’m aware. ‘Tis but a joke. (Oppenheimer wasn’t the ‘smart guy’ of that group either….but possessed the talent to meld the wares of the ‘smarter guys’ together. Bill Oreilly’s ‘Killing’ series is astutely researched, and there is an excellent deviation into an intimate deep dive into the Manhattan Project. Incredibly detailed on the personal level of the players vs the technical. I was a PhD Physical Chemistry candidate at *THE* USC, and I can assure you that particle in a box theory and the like would be a major snooze fest. If you’re into it and have not checked it out, I highly recommend. Now the clincher ….obviously bearing relevancy to both Killing the Rising Sun as well as Killing the Nazis, it escapes me which work took the very deep dive. 99% certain it would be the PTO vs ETO, but the nazi iteration covers the escapes / defections of the scientists we were so fortuitous to procure. If you’re interested in checking it out, I’ll be happy to check both and report back which work lays out the minute details of the players. A truly fascinating side of the story that is never covered in your run of the mill documentaries. Please excuse any punctuation/ grammatical / spelling errors in this post. Typing on iPhone sans corrective lenses. Never done the D&D thing…but I guarantee 95% of those dudes would’ve been slinging crazy shaped die. 😝🔬. Early snd often. OH OH OH! The History Tellers also touches on it with a 4 or 5 piece podcast. Best to all, SLR

@@owenbrau63 If only he could've lived to see how nuclear weapons, ironically, saved mankind from a WW3 that would've had a death toll that made WW2 look like a picnic.

Game references and games themselves are silly therefore scornworthy pop culture trash for children and incels which have no place in adult discussion of important historic events.

147 is an Army regiment, what is the connection?

The vast majority of the US military including most high level commanders were not aware of the existence of the Manhattan Project until they heard about the results of it August 6th just like everyone else. Even those few who were involved or at least aware of the project understood it could fail, so the process of laying the groundwork for the eventual invasion of the home islands had to continue. My father in law was a young (early 20s) B-24 pilot whose wing was in the process of redeploying from the ETO to the Pacific when the bomb dropped. They were in San Francisco on August 6th, ready to ship out, when they got the word to stand fast. Then, after several days of uncertainty, their redeployment was cancelled. I asked him if they were disappointed. He laughed and said no, not in the least. It was like a reprieve from a death sentence. Until that point the assumption was that the war was certain to continue at least into 1946, if not longer. There were some timelines and scenarios being talked about that had it going on through at least 1950. Until suddenly on August 6th, their survival prospects did not seem promising.

I was a lot more complex than what the history books show. There were two options for the final push toward Japan, invade which was thought to take the war into 1947/1948 or a naval blockade some thought would prolong indefinitely. The other problem was the mass demobilization in Europe while the pacific war was still going. Some combat veterans would discharged while others sent to the pacific. Then combat veterans from the pacific some who also expected to be discharged but were most valuable before the attack in Japan.

@@garycollins7750 After VE My father and mother’s brother were scheduled to return to Canada to train for Japan. Instead my father, an armor driving instructor, drove cat for a year cleaning up Normandy. My one uncle was demobilized immediately when Japan surrendered. Another uncle was invalided out after being machine gunned in Sicily. But until the surrender it was still total mobilization as everyone was in for the duration and that would not be until Japan was out of the war. As for the idea of a blockade, the military faction appeared to be willing to take the entire country with them through starvation. The emperor took what he was handed and ran with it while the military faction was off balance. But only if we did not prosecute him for the war criminal he was. How does this fit with your feeling about the end of the conflict. It is my understanding that the atomic bombs were the way out for the emperor with honor as they saw it. That the USSR declared war and started an invasion of one of the Japanese territories was their big fear. The example set by the division of Germany was what prompted the emperor to prefer a surrender to the USA and not to lose a third of the country to the communists. Like what happened in Germany.

@@662wc5 Indeed. I fully realize it was as secret as anything in the world ever was. No one without a need to know knew a thing. My point it that even the top leaders had to keep things going full throttle even if they knew the atomic bomb was coming as no one knew if would work. Or that Japan would surrender shortly thereafter. Therefore, these bombardments had to go ahead just in case. Just like when a plane lands on a carrier it has to have full power in case the hook misses all the wires. It does not kill power until confirmation of snagging a wire occurs. I will not get into the argument whether it triggered the quick surrender of Japan or whether it was merely the excuse used by the emperor while the real fear was that the USSR had already started to invade the northernmost islands of Japan.

Overall, yes, but there was no DOD in 1945. There was a War Department and a Navy Department.

Same with me. I supposed too many of us focus on air battles of WWII. Then again, my dad flew P-51 Mustang missions off of IWO, so hence the reason for my leanings.

Learning about WWII is a never-ending process. So many stories of personalities, battles, technologies, tactics and strategies . So many weird, sad, horrific, terrifying, humorous, and ridiculous incidents that if they were written into a fiction novel, the author would be laughed out of a publishers office for it being just too fantastic to believe.

My father served on the South Dakota. Most of the war he manned anti-aircraft guns and was a lookout. We were at the memorial when they were mounting the ship’s propeller. If you are able to scan some of the photos and post them, that would be awesome.

@@robertmccollough1104 I have them all in digital format and could email you some if you'd like. I sent the entire collection off to the Captain of the new South Dakota submarine. I believe she had them on display for the christening of the ship.

I talk about USS Massachusetts, Jean Bart and the Battle of Casablanca here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T0o1jNW9wQs.html

A few pieces remain in a park in Sioux Falls... turns out it's hard to bring home a ship that size in a state over 1000 miles from the nearest ocean.

I camped on the Massachusetts when I was in boy scouts in 1999.

Not fast enough.

@@thomasmusso1147 actually the standard battleships quite a bit of action in shore bombardment.

Drachinifel recently did one of his videos about Shore Bombardment "We're in the Re-Landscaping Business Now!"

@@timengineman2nd714 his stuff is great! I honestly wouldn't ever have thought I could sit and listen to things like "rangefinding: plotting your demise." For over an hour. 😂😁

@@d.cypher2920 How about watching the Voyage of the Damned (Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron) or The Great White Fleet: The Party is ON! at least once a week, cuz...that stuff just never gets old!

You might like Indy Neidel on the World War Two channel

@@sandybarnes887 Thanks, I just subscribed! =)

@@standoughope cool 😎 I hope you enjoy.

@@sandybarnes887 Thanks again, that channel is fantastic! 😁

It is often forgotten that the Merchant Mariners had a HIGHER casualty rate than the U.S.Marines. And they weren't even considered veterans until the 1980s.

It is a shame that they were not given the same GI benefits that those in the official military were given. If they were lucky they had a couple of open guns on the deck and often carried fuel or explosives. Many of them were under age or too old for military service, yet without those supplies the army, navy, marines, and army air force would have been impotent.

Agreed. Wish we could have convinced McNamara of that.

@Daniel Large it never works against a brainwashed people like the Communist North Vietnamese

One carrier can project power to a range equal to that of the combat range of the aircraft than those 8 battleships combined and then some.

@Chris Drummondyes. Most of them were hulls with a flat top welded on. The US built 18 Essex class carriers CV, 7 Independence Class CVL and 119 Escort Carriers CVE during WW2.

@Chris Drummond Adjusted for inflation 100 million is approximately 1.4 billion today. The new USS Gerald Ford is projected to cost 4 billion.

@@shawnr771 4 billion is a very very underestimate. It is well over 12 billion dollars now.

@@WALTERBROADDUS Well difference between the bid and the cost overruns. Welcome to the military procurement systems.

Millions of US men and women volunteered to beat fascism. America had never been so united.

The military-congressional-industrial complex.

"War is horrible" That really depends on who you ask. You and I agree, but it certainly does wonders for domestic manufacturing. Perpetual war is great for business. Until we change that, I fear there will always be incentive for perpetual war.

Yes, you should “shame” them into stopping aggression.

@@robertbeirne9813 People are herd animals...they will follow a leader, almost any leader...and they like to kill one another. It's in the nature of our DNA. Only nuclear MAD has prevented another global conflagration since 1945.

@@wholeNwon I’m not sure if your comment is a rebuttal or you’re agreeing with my sarcasm.

Mmmm. Surrender was their plan all along. A conditional surrender. As time went by the conditions got fewer and fewer.

I'd like to hear about that too.

YES! Check out the Armored Carriers RU-vid channel to hear first hand accounts of the British carriers raiding the east indies in 44 and 45. Mostly the oil fields on Sumatra and Java. This had a giant role in further choking Japan's oil supply by destroying the oil wells and refineries there. This force evolved into the British Pacific Fleet which supported the invasion of Okinawa by covering the flank with strikes on Formosa (Tiawan) while the US carriers were hitting Japan. They later also raided Japan. Then theres USS Robin. Dutch submarines, later in the war, often inserted, special ops teams onto the Japanese controlled islands of the east indies, as well as attacking Japanese merchant ships. Their commander Adm Helfridge earned the name "one a day" for how often his subs sunk ships. The surface ships worked with the royal navy in the Indian Ocean. You can find out more about them on my channel. Then theres the Ausralian navy which worked hand in hand with the US throughout the war. A few Autralian ships fought with the US at the battle of Surigao Strait. Of course the heavy cruiser Canberra was lost along side her US mates at the battle of Savo Island. In return the US named a new cruiser after her (USS Canberra) to carry on the name while the Aussies named a ship HMAS Bataan. There were others but my favorite is the Philippine's navy. Officially called "the off shore patrol." A minuscule group of 3 PT boats at the start of the war that didnt last long but took no vacation days. Again I briefly cover them on my channel.

Well Bill, the whole world knows the US won the war with Japan which is why your doco's and vid's show you that. As for any non US action, I refer you to my first answer. However; you could look at Burma, China, Indo-China, the Sth West Pacific to check on other theatres of WW2 and Japan; Sadly, most of those doco's and vid's will not assist your search for understanding. Perhaps inserting "British or Australian/New Zealand or Indian forces in" in front of your theatre search may help. Frankly the non-US forces' people have given away trying to show US nationals a broader picture of WW2 and Japan vs USA. They look, read, smile, then just get on, happy knowing the more factual picture, which assigns ALL, including the US, their part of the story.

The Chinese were also our allies, to say nothing of the Filipinos.

@@greghenderson6782 as well as the New Guinea campaign.