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1945: The French Occupy Mauser and Make Lugers 

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In July 1945, just a few months after the first French troops entered Oberndorf, the Mauser factory began assembling guns under French oversight. In addition to HSc pistols, P38 pistols, K98k rifles, and Model 45 training rifles, Mauser also had sufficient stocks of Luger parts to assemble several thousand for French use (as well as occasional sale to Allied occupation soldiers). The highest recorded serial number is 3334, and there are five different variations of markings. Today, we have a 1st type and a 3rd type to look at.
In 1945 and 1946, the French Army was in need of really any functional arms, and the Luger was happily accepted as a front-line service handgun (in fact, the Spahis who made up French General Koenig’s personal bodyguard carried Lugers). These Lugers were used early in the fighting in Indochina, but they were phased out of service once the MAC-50 pistol was put into production. They were then used to replace even older guns like Rubies and Mle 1892 revolvers in second-line service, and eventually transferred to the Gendarmerie. They were used by the Gendarmes until the 1970s, when the last ones were surplussed. At some point, a batch of them was given to the Austrian Army, presumably in the early/mid 1950s after Austria was once again allowed to have armed forces.
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@Ari--d
@Ari--d 3 года назад
Ian: what, a luger, im not doing anoter german gun video They're french Ian: Hey guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on forgotten weapons
@hoppinggnomethe4154
@hoppinggnomethe4154 2 года назад
lmao
@vchalmel
@vchalmel 3 года назад
Ian be like "You know what would be better than a Luger ? Luger but French !"
@FrontSideBus
@FrontSideBus 3 года назад
Be interesting to see Ian watch Sharpe 😂
@daer2121
@daer2121 3 года назад
Ian is correct.
@arttrashuberalles7223
@arttrashuberalles7223 3 года назад
A Luguerre, if you will.
@ri7ani
@ri7ani 3 года назад
luger au fromage
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 3 года назад
*Stereotypical French Laughter*
@nandospm
@nandospm 3 года назад
Every tevery time I hear artillery Luger I imagine a giant 105mm toggle lock howitzer pistol
@doyouseetorpedoboats8893
@doyouseetorpedoboats8893 3 года назад
Search “mega 1911 h3vr”. Its pretty close.
@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097
@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097 3 года назад
Have you heard of a prophet named Furrer?
@krisskringle920
@krisskringle920 3 года назад
a shell of the artillery luger fell on heinz again, a shame :(
@jacobums4538
@jacobums4538 3 года назад
“HAUNZ GET ZEE HOWITZER LUGER” 😂
@jamietus1012
@jamietus1012 3 года назад
I think you may be possessed by the spirit of adolf furrer
@douglaslain5962
@douglaslain5962 3 года назад
I wonder how many of these trophy Lugers ended up with a much more embellished backstory than, "I bought it at the factory."
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 3 года назад
"So anyway I tackled Goering's driver to the ground..."
@TheBigOne0305
@TheBigOne0305 3 года назад
They were all taken from high ranking SS officers, right after singlehandedly storming the MG42 nest with just a knife and a few grenades, obviously!
@carlcarlton764
@carlcarlton764 3 года назад
@@AshleyPomeroy Bodyguard, bodyguard. ;)
@MrJolte
@MrJolte 3 года назад
@@carlcarlton764 Luftwaffe officer, Luftwaffe officer. ;)
@IceWolfLoki
@IceWolfLoki 3 года назад
I bought it at the factory does sound better than "I stole it off a passed out Englishman or American" or "I took it off a member of the french resistance that tried to murder me"
@KazakhToon
@KazakhToon 3 года назад
Germans: Bundeswhere? Austrians: Bundeshere.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 3 года назад
Bundeswehr postwar german armed forces Bundesheer postwar austrian forces. Formerly Armee ( word of french origin/ les armes- the weapons) and Heer ( word of germanic origin, in pre 1066 anglosaxon ,here') had often been used intechargeable, sometimes still now, but in german armed force Heer means groundforces which are called army in english language countries.
@Redchrome1
@Redchrome1 3 года назад
@@brittakriep2938 thank you, I've wondered about that for years.
@Ninjat126
@Ninjat126 3 года назад
"French Occupation Luger" Ah yes, these must be Lugers made in occupied France! wait
@michaelrogers4157
@michaelrogers4157 3 года назад
Same.
@mrjohnbrush
@mrjohnbrush 3 года назад
@GastonJ Hey, just chill a bit. No French bashing is going on here. We know that the Free French never gave up the fight and accomplished some remarkable military achievements ;-)
@libertyprime3753
@libertyprime3753 3 года назад
@GastonJ dude you need to calm your jets way down
@FirstnameLastname-do1px
@FirstnameLastname-do1px 3 года назад
@GastonJ Calm tf down, he wasn’t bashing France.
@Ninjat126
@Ninjat126 3 года назад
@GastonJ No arguments there. It's just that mostly when you hear about "French occupation" in the context of WWII, they're talking about the occupation OF France and not the occupation of other territories BY France.
@wino0000006
@wino0000006 3 года назад
"Mauser is Mauser but they call it Le Mauser."
@mr.international2778
@mr.international2778 3 года назад
Producer: Hey Ian! We have interesting French gun with historical significance for you to look at. Ian: This is a Luger... Producer: Precisely.
@TheMandalp
@TheMandalp 3 года назад
well Ian doesnt have a producer Forgotten Weapons is Just Ian. So Ian conviced Ian to mak a video about a French Used Firearms wich is all what Ian need to do this Video
@litkeys3497
@litkeys3497 3 года назад
@@TheMandalp switch producer for Auction Manager or some such
@klonowskierklartrohrleitun4241
@klonowskierklartrohrleitun4241 3 года назад
must be major treat for our favourite frankophile
@davidweikle9921
@davidweikle9921 3 года назад
Makes one wonder what he'll bid on them.
@_ArsNova
@_ArsNova 3 года назад
3 guesses what Ian will have with his Berthier when he does his historical French 2-gun.
@davidbrennan660
@davidbrennan660 3 года назад
At last a Lugar of interest.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 3 года назад
I’m always surprised just how much German equipment & arms the French used after WWII. Edit: I should clarify, I’m particularly surprised at how much German stuff the French *paid* to have manufactured new (Panthers, FW190, Lugers) when there was so much surplus around. I know there was a concern about it kicking off with the Soviet’s immediately post war, but the lend Lease nations (Britain in particular) were just straight up dumping stuff in the ocean.
@cptpayday2080
@cptpayday2080 3 года назад
So is this why so many african armies and also rebels used Kar98k´s in post colonial conflicts in the 60s as ive seen on lots of photographs along with french submachineguns?
@User_Un_Friendly
@User_Un_Friendly 3 года назад
Considering the apocryphal stories about how many Nazis ended up in the Foreign Legion after WW2, it seems fitting. 🤐
@skirk248
@skirk248 3 года назад
@@cptpayday2080 largely that and the guns left over from the African front of ww2
@surcouf4884
@surcouf4884 3 года назад
The fw190 was hated by french pilote
@chrissilsby4312
@chrissilsby4312 3 года назад
I seen a photograph in a book series of photography history of WORLD WAR 2. It was a photo of a landing craft loaded with rifles and pistols, the description says that the weapons were loaded to dump the into the sea.
@MStryker40
@MStryker40 3 года назад
"Fruger"
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 3 года назад
Why not, we have "Fruby"@ 13:23
@carlcarlton764
@carlcarlton764 3 года назад
Lush?
@orangecream3340
@orangecream3340 3 года назад
Frugers made by the frogs
@shatterquartz
@shatterquartz 3 года назад
The French also found a bunch of BMW jet engines in their occupation zone. They gathered what German engineers they could find, restarted the production line, and later on moved the whole thing to France where it became part of SNECMA.
@Balrog2005
@Balrog2005 3 года назад
And SNECMA is still the only french, and one of the world few, jet engine maker in 2021...
@ArcturusOTE
@ArcturusOTE 3 года назад
@@Balrog2005 well aside from General Electric, Pratt and Whitney and.... I guess Rolls Royce?
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
@@ArcturusOTE plus a couple companies in the former USSR and a couple more in China.
@michaelpalmer8098
@michaelpalmer8098 3 года назад
Wow, I never heard of this, that is so cool
@romainlapie6362
@romainlapie6362 3 года назад
American who were doing paperclip in every domain possible were quite pissed off when French secret agent "stole" the German chief ingeneer specialized in jet engines just under their nose (The French offer was a very good one, he could move with all his family, his workteam and their family and he will get a factory for himself and it would be not far from Germany, he just couldn't say no.
@vonmazur1
@vonmazur1 3 года назад
Ian: The five pointed star indicates foreign made weapons accepted into French service, like on the heel of Ruby Pistols and Spanish revolvers from WW 1. I brought an Erfurt P 08 back from Nam in 69, with the French Star on the barrel extension.
@AllThingsFlightSim
@AllThingsFlightSim 3 года назад
Still have it?
@vonmazur1
@vonmazur1 3 года назад
@@AllThingsFlightSim Sold it some time ago..
@carlcarlton764
@carlcarlton764 3 года назад
The WR stamp: Werks Revision = Factory reconditioned. So yes, put together from leftover parts.
@rubenskiii
@rubenskiii 3 года назад
Somewhere out there must be a (grand)son watching and go "Oh dammmmn... So that's how (grand)dad got a Luger in 'Nam...".
@aaronkong8393
@aaronkong8393 3 года назад
I’ve heard that non-refurb Russian capture Lugers were found in Vietnam
@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape
@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape 3 года назад
Also, due to the whole "plausable deniability" thing, the C.I.A. "may or may not" have brought lugers into Indo-China
@vincentkermorgant
@vincentkermorgant 3 года назад
When my grand father died (he was a regimental armorer in the french army) we found a ton of P08 and P38 spare parts still in their french grease paper bags in his workshop so on top of the complete Lugers the french raided a lot of spare parts and he probably acquired them when the pistols got phased out of french military inventory
@keithallardice6139
@keithallardice6139 3 года назад
I did not know this happened ... totally unaware of this wee patch of history, but it makes perfect sense - why wouldn't you do exactly this, if you were the French?? Thanks Ian, very, very interesting!!
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 3 года назад
Enlightenment happens! Thanks! I worked for a milsurp distributor back in the '90s, and wondered about the abundance of inexpensive Lugers. This clears it up.
@fritzkuhne2055
@fritzkuhne2055 3 года назад
Ian, forgotten weapons: "everyone loves Lugers"
@Marcel_Germann
@Marcel_Germann 3 года назад
At the end of 1940s and at the beginning of 1950s a lot of Germans were also in the French Légion étrangère fighting in Indochina. In the Battle of Dien Bien Phu round about 50% of the soldiers on the French side were Germans. That's the reason some German soldier songs are still in use in the Legion, like the "Westerwald" or "Ich hatt' einen Kameraden" for example. The brother of my Grandma was actually there back then. And now there are many people in there from the former eastern block, and it sounds really funny when they sing Westerwald with a big East-Europe accent. And they also left their mark there for example by implementing the word "Kurwa" into the legions language repertoire.
@drdoom-skull2244
@drdoom-skull2244 3 года назад
Germans who served in the Legion were nicknamed "boulons" after the bolts of the German helmet. I Very much doubt they were as many as 50% of German soldiers in DBP. Paratroopers and colonial regiments were regular French units. Plus you had many units made of people from North Africa, from Indochina. Only the Legion would have had Germans, among other nationalities.
@SidneyBroadshead
@SidneyBroadshead 3 года назад
A lot of German Legionnaires in Indochina were teenagers recruited from the refugee and internment camps. Most had no place to go because their part of Germany was occupied by the Communists and they would definitely have been sent to the Gulags. There were also the pre-war German Legionnaires who were left in North Africa to hold down the fort while the other Legionnaires went to the Levant and Italy. The crazy myth that entire SS battalions of hardened veterans were transferred to the Legion is based on hokey articles in American pulp magazines of the 1950s and 60s. The war had bled the German Army white, leaving only teenagers, old men and cripples leavened with _Hilfer_ units made up of fanatical children.
@lptomtom
@lptomtom 3 года назад
There were Germans in French service in Indochina, but only in the Legion and not as many as OP claims. In Dien Bien Phu (the most important battle fought by the Legion) there were 14000 troops on the French side, and between 1200 and 1300 of them were Germans. That's less than 10%, not 50% as claimed. German Legionnaires were used as cannon fodder to spare French lives, and yet the total death toll for the whole war was 3000 Germans out of 11000 Legionnaires. One of the reasons this false fact is repeated ad nauseam is because back then it was used as propaganda by the Viet Minh: "the French army is almost exclusively made of Nazi SS". This was false: most of the German veterans were former Wehrmacht/Fallschirmjagers, and only 10% of them were former Waffen SS. Source: www.lexpress.fr/actualites/1/styles/des-legionnaires-allemands-en-premiere-ligne-a-dien-bien-phu_1536281.html
@Axemantitan
@Axemantitan 3 года назад
Apparently, "Kurwa" is Polish for "fuck!" www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kurwa
@drdoom-skull2244
@drdoom-skull2244 3 года назад
@@lptomtom You should post this as a stand-alone post, there are many posts repeating that misconception and your post is very useful at clarifying.
@jeffbruh3253
@jeffbruh3253 3 года назад
The perfect sidearm for Ian
@AluminumStud
@AluminumStud 3 года назад
I was able to get a BH marked CMP 1911 about a year ago. It somehow went from US custody to the new austrian army and then back to USA/me.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
Apparently a lot of US military aid was expected to be returned if the holding government surplused it. See also M1 Carbines from South Korea. Edit: and SCORE getting a CMP 1911!
@VuvuzelaMagique
@VuvuzelaMagique 3 года назад
Find someone who looks at you the way Ian looks at these French Lugers
@happytrigger3946
@happytrigger3946 3 года назад
6:20 I like to think some drunk french-man misplaced the french proof stamps and they had no choice but to use the eagle proof marks again lol
@Ninjat126
@Ninjat126 3 года назад
It's amusing to think about how many unsolved historical mysteries might have explanations this simple. But we'll probably never know.
@drdoom-skull2244
@drdoom-skull2244 3 года назад
Or they just had one set of stamps they borrowed from Chatelleraut, which they had to give back when they started making MAC50.
@Ninjat126
@Ninjat126 3 года назад
@@drdoom-skull2244 either way, I imagine it would have been an awkward transition back.
@mudy7471
@mudy7471 3 года назад
Wow french luger something i didnt knowi needed
@tacocin
@tacocin 3 года назад
The French did the same with Model 98 Trainer in 22LR called the MAS-45. A really sweet 22!
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 года назад
Got a video on those coming shortly...
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
@@ForgottenWeapons you found some *really* cool stuff at Morphy's this trip!
@sullivanrachael
@sullivanrachael 3 года назад
I kind of know what happened to Mauser Obendorf next; the French used demolitions on the factory. I didn’t know they used up the remaining parts to produce more guns. My question is why they blew up one of the best arms plants in Europe? A case of ‘if we can’t have it, nobody can’; or something more symbolic; destruction of a German factory that made equipment for war?
@andreww2098
@andreww2098 3 года назад
That and everyone was worried about the Soviets invading the rest of Europe starting with the rest of Germany and they didn't want them having it!
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 3 года назад
The Schwedenbau/ swedish building is still standing, it contains two museums, you can watch with one ticket. The Waffenmuseum shows weapons from Königlich Württembergische Waffenfabrik ( including lancepoints!), Mauser ( also civilian products like caliphers or bureau equipment and two cars), Heckler & Koch and Feinwerkbau. The Heimatmuseum shows the history of Oberndorf region, also interessting, because some objects from former town militias and weapon relicts from alemannic warrior graves.
@blu35cr3w
@blu35cr3w 3 года назад
It is always fun and informative to watch your videos. Learning a lot of stuff I'll probrably never need but like to know.
@jizzmonkey9679
@jizzmonkey9679 3 года назад
Bet there were a lot of drivers who were more than happy to receive one of these rather than a mac50.
@jizzmonkey9679
@jizzmonkey9679 3 года назад
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine a couple of people with 9 toes were happy to get rid of the ruby.
@KageMinowara
@KageMinowara 3 года назад
Thank you for making this video Ian.
@user-up3yk9zv6g
@user-up3yk9zv6g 3 года назад
I just listened to Ian talk about serial numbers for eight minutes.....and loved it 💟
@gk.spinoza
@gk.spinoza 3 года назад
Speaking of the French, I would absolutely love it if Ian did a special episode or two covering the myriad of "Velo-Dog" Revolvers and the cartridges they fired, which were popular civilian self defense pocket pistols in France and Europe at the same time as suicide specials were popular in North America 🔫
@marks_sparks1
@marks_sparks1 3 года назад
Cool wow knew there was a L'Uger
@flo__60
@flo__60 3 года назад
le luger
@henrikoldcorn
@henrikoldcorn 3 года назад
All the shiny metal on number 43 is absolutely gorgeous.
@chrissilsby4312
@chrissilsby4312 3 года назад
I want to hear about the story about Mauser train. It sounds interesting and I did not know about it.
@jmjedi923
@jmjedi923 3 года назад
I believe he talks about it in his sturmgeveher 45 video, if not it's one of the other years of it
@EddieRiggsBF3
@EddieRiggsBF3 3 года назад
@@jmjedi923 Yep. It's in this video about Gerat 06, it start about 5 min. Not much info, but at least some. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NrKhJC35QRA.html
@agustinperretta1043
@agustinperretta1043 3 года назад
Wish granted by gun Jesus
@AlistairAi
@AlistairAi 3 года назад
So we got French Lugers under occupying Mauser Factories, and we got Dutch Lugers under license copy for the Dutch East Indies Army. What else we got?
@SidneyBroadshead
@SidneyBroadshead 3 года назад
Swiss P00/06 Lugers, Swiss P06/29 Lugers, rebuilt post-WW1 German "1920" Lugers, and Finnish M23 Lugers. Axis countries had stamped Lugers as well.
@sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688
@sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688 3 года назад
The Luger has one of the most interesting history of any handgun.
@mattisvov
@mattisvov 3 года назад
The title of this video: Not a sentence I would ever had expected to hear nor read.
@comiketiger
@comiketiger 3 года назад
I had never heard of these. So interesting. Thanks Ian. God bless all here.
@Haze-Li
@Haze-Li 3 года назад
Love the channel hope your in John Wick 4 also could you make a firearms of Germany Playlist
@samuelclayton4405
@samuelclayton4405 3 года назад
Beautiful piece.
@chlebowg
@chlebowg 3 года назад
Austria was divide into three zones like Germany from French/British/US sectors. Those countries were to supply arms for the local police. I had a US M1 Carbine that was a Bavarian Rural Police and then sent to Austria for use by their Grendemeire in the Salzburg region.
@wippmi76
@wippmi76 3 года назад
4 zones! You forget the Russian sector in Eastern Austria
@chlebowg
@chlebowg 3 года назад
@@wippmi76 You're right, I did forget
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 3 года назад
@@wippmi76 There was one time the Soviets used to be in Vienna...
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 3 года назад
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 : For a short time after wwl Bavaria was a Soviet Republik. No joke.
@wippmi76
@wippmi76 3 года назад
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 i am from Vienna ;-)
@JustanOlGuy
@JustanOlGuy 3 года назад
Ian needs a new channel "Cool stories for a different time"...!Where tangents are freely followed.
@ChristianWDegn
@ChristianWDegn 3 года назад
Thanks Ian!
@chrissanchez9935
@chrissanchez9935 3 года назад
Thank You for sharing.
@lolroflpmsl
@lolroflpmsl 3 года назад
I'm surprised they didn't chamber these in .32 French Longue!
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
Too much rework. Boltface and toggle would need to be redesigned. Easier to standardize the new guns on 9mm, and put the rest of the army there, too!
@jaywarren5261
@jaywarren5261 3 года назад
Plot twist: Ian travels back in time to oversee production of these pistols as a French Army officer. Mon Colonel Ian...
@1SilverDollar
@1SilverDollar 3 года назад
Continued: Ian has one if not, all the P08 carbines.
@ketchman8299
@ketchman8299 3 года назад
As usual, more "Really? How cool!" information from Ian.
@tomjoseph1444
@tomjoseph1444 3 года назад
Little side note about Lugers. In the early 70s I was involved with a major collection of Lugers. A man had found many cases of P08s in a undisclosed location, presumably in South America. He said nothing and had friends hit all the gun shows at once and sell them for the going price at the time. Approximately $600. Had he said anything about finding the lot, the price would have plummeted.
@hanktorrance6855
@hanktorrance6855 3 года назад
Anything luger is interesting, one of the most storied and beautiful firearms ever designed
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 3 года назад
Well, well, well. How the turntables.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 3 года назад
"Not all the normally serialized parts are serialized on french produced lugers" Ah well that's technically an improvement
@TheBigOne0305
@TheBigOne0305 3 года назад
*gasps in German*
@pineapplesalad6494
@pineapplesalad6494 3 года назад
oh how the turntables
@johnnydollar666
@johnnydollar666 3 года назад
Sacre Gun Bleu!
@billmccrackin8825
@billmccrackin8825 3 года назад
My grandfather, a doctor in the 8th Army, tried to ship a bundle of Lugers home. They never made it. This was in late 1945.
@michaelrogers4157
@michaelrogers4157 3 года назад
My great uncle tried to do the same. He crated and shipped 3 lugers and 2 mp40s. But when the crate arrived here in Georgia it had been pried open and resecured with some wire and tacks. The mp40s and 2 of the lugers were gone but a half full sandbag was added.
@tadeuszbanku2329
@tadeuszbanku2329 3 года назад
@@michaelrogers4157 that's fucked man, he was over there fighting just for those guns to be stolen 😬😥
@KageMinowara
@KageMinowara 3 года назад
He should have taken the guns apart and shipped the pieces back in several parcels over a period of time.
@googiegress7459
@googiegress7459 3 года назад
@@KageMinowara Or wrapped them up, cast them in concrete statues, and shipped the statues back.
@michaelrogers4157
@michaelrogers4157 3 года назад
@@tadeuszbanku2329 yeah. When he found out what was recieved, by letter many weeks later, he said thats when he decided that he was taking his service weapons with him, and he managed it somehow. I wish i knew the story of how he managed it because I'm sure that's a story worth hearing! But i do know that he got back to his farm with his 1911 and M1 carbine broken down in his duffel lol. His grandson (my cousin) now has both of them.
@dylancowmeadow4280
@dylancowmeadow4280 2 года назад
Hmm, I wonder if the German workers kept 'losing' the French Star punch, and so had to go back to the German Eagle N.
@matejmatej3554
@matejmatej3554 3 года назад
One of my favorite gun ever is luger
@themasterofdisastr1226
@themasterofdisastr1226 3 года назад
Reminds me of an auction review a few years ago: "And then we have some St. Entienne Lugers..." 'Theres no way in hell Ian doesnt own one of these..' "[...] They were made in Germany and just resold by the St. Entienne Arsenal[...] but it looks like sb wasted a lot of money on this one this one, I bought mine for like 10% of that..." 'Of course you did, why did I even ask myself that?!??'
@austinhughes6852
@austinhughes6852 3 года назад
A French made Luger pistol.Definitely sounds like something right up Ian’s alley.
@jonhedrick7440
@jonhedrick7440 3 года назад
One tear just fell in my beer 🍻
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 3 года назад
That Luger at the left look indeed brand new.
@matteboggi7241
@matteboggi7241 3 года назад
I hope that a video with the french k98 will come out
@dukeofwar1003
@dukeofwar1003 3 года назад
Hey Ian! Love your Videos! I'd love to see one about the Super rare Korean QTS - 11...somewhat OICW?
@Gabthar
@Gabthar 3 года назад
Just an m60, mg42 and m2 browning in the background, no biggie.
@Niinsa62
@Niinsa62 3 года назад
About how the Lugers ended up in Austria, and when, since the Austrians weren't allowed to have an Army until the early fifties. I used to have a colleague thirty years ago who was Austrian, and he was sixteen back in 1945. He just barely avoided being drafted into the Nazi Army, saved by the bell, in the form of the end of the war. And then, later in 1945 or maybe 1946, to help support his family (parents and siblings) that was very hard pressed for cash in the chaos of a lost world war, he joined the Gendarmerie which was what the Austrians were allowed to have, officially a police force. But he said there was nothing police about it, they were Gebirgsjäger, or mountain ranger troops. They climbed rock faces with no proper climbing gear, using regular nuts and bolts hammered into crevices to secure their hemp ropes. He said he was scared stiff but his parents needed the money so he clenched his teeth and kept going. And they did weapons training. Their officers were very good and very tough, all having served in the Nazi Army, and some of them probably still Nazis, he said. This was an army in all but name. A tiny one, and very poorly equipped, but still. So I guess they would have needed weapons like Lugers already in 1945 or 1946. The BH stamp must be later, obviously, but the guns themselves might have found use in Austria earlier. I have no idea about that, my colleague never mentioned Lugers, but perhaps his story might give a bit of context to post-war Austria.
@SidneyBroadshead
@SidneyBroadshead 3 года назад
West Germany had a similar thing, except they had to purge Nazi officers. Austria didn't have enough manpower to afford to do that, but did purge the really dyed-in-the-wool Nazis from the upper echelons. West Germany used M1 and M2 Carbines during the occupation. The NATO classification for the ammo was 7.62mm Kurz because the carbines were mostly used in the German Occupation Zone.
@piotrsyczak
@piotrsyczak 3 года назад
Both with FXO magazines. Maybe next video about various Luger magazines ?
@JessZomb
@JessZomb 3 года назад
Modernization of the Luger might be lucrative
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228
@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 3 года назад
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I mean, even the Germans themselves stop using the Luger as the primary handgun by 1942 due to aforementioned economic reason...
@travishabursky4362
@travishabursky4362 3 года назад
Ah oui, le lugére.
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 3 года назад
Let's not forget the sudden influx of FFL forces fighting in Indochina who spoke fluent German & were *extremely* familiar with German weapons of all types... ;-)
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
Not that large. It was maybe 10% of the troops there that were German, and only 10% of those were SS.
@666toysoldier
@666toysoldier 3 года назад
Since much of the Indochina fighting was being done by the Foreign Legion, which had taken in many Germans (both regular army and SS---they didn't care), it isn't surprising that they used a lot of German equipment.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
Not that much. No Germans in the paratroopers, for example. And despite the German troops being used as meat shields for French troops, there were fewer than 3000 dead Germans in Indochina. Total, not just DBP.
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane 3 года назад
At 8:00, the flower is an Edelweiss.
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 3 года назад
As to why they would go back to the German eagle proof after having used the French star on the 2nd variation? My guess would be that their die for the French star broke, and it wasn't considered worthwhile to ship a new one in from France.
@methodeetrigueur1164
@methodeetrigueur1164 3 года назад
I knew that French army used P.08 after war (like Walther productions : PP, PPK, P.38. Manurhin also built Walthers). But I was wondering if Mauser just used old stocks or rebuilt new Lugers.
@methodeetrigueur1164
@methodeetrigueur1164 3 года назад
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine The French obtained them as war damages.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
@@methodeetrigueur1164 that makes total sense. The French were hurting for guns, and the Mauser factory got to stay open. I'd bet that the guns were at a markup compared to regular price, too.
@basedkaiser5352
@basedkaiser5352 3 года назад
At this point my country should just grant you a French citizenship lol
@jonhedrick7440
@jonhedrick7440 3 года назад
Beautiful
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 3 года назад
What a weird turn for the french to use occupied german factories to make arms
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 3 года назад
What is up with the partial stamp of the serial number circa 08:00 ? (was it poorly printed or was the lower section milled off? Or both?
@darkally1235
@darkally1235 3 года назад
"I bought it at the factory", sounds like the factory foreman might have found a way to make a little extra money on the side. Sell Lugers to GIs who could bring them home as "war trophies" without arousing too much suspicion.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 года назад
FN did the same thing, happily selling pistols to Allied soldiers after the war.
@404DecadeNotAvailable
@404DecadeNotAvailable 3 года назад
Regular German Luger Ian: I sleep French Occupation Luger Ian: I wake
@LeFeuauxpoudres
@LeFeuauxpoudres 3 года назад
Hello Ian, here's an article in French which is the reference on the subject as Kri1942 is working on those French Lugers since a very long time! www.tircollection.com/t12525-reflexions-sur-la-production-de-pistolets-luger-par-mauser-en-1945-1946
@DadofTwinGirls-uo9xe
@DadofTwinGirls-uo9xe 3 года назад
Would you ever do a video on how you research and prepare for these videos. How do you know so much?
@OhioTravelswithKris
@OhioTravelswithKris 3 года назад
I'd go for that too!
@whoshotashleybabbitt4924
@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 3 года назад
He is Gun Jesus, the firearms messiah. No prep needed for what he speaks becomes gospel.
@TheNapalmFTW
@TheNapalmFTW 3 года назад
Books
@sanchezroman8995
@sanchezroman8995 2 года назад
There are 3- categories of Handguns.. The Revolvers🔫.. The automatic Pistols... And the LUGERS..
@emergingloki
@emergingloki 3 года назад
Hi Ian. There is a mark on the side of the toggle just forward of the pivot on the low number gun not present on the other. It can be clearly seen in the comparison shot at 4.20. it this an official mark? A 'ding'? Machining mark?
@drdoom-skull2244
@drdoom-skull2244 3 года назад
With regard to French forces using a mix of everything possible, I read they had at least 10 different small arms ammos in service. On anecdotal level, my grandfather was in an armed French resistance group (a "maquis") and it seems he had an M1 carbine and a Beretta pistol. No doubt tgey also had captured MP40s, and what not. All these armed groups were merged into the FFI then the regular French forces. My father served in the 1950s and they were equipped with Stens and later, he raised to NCO and he had a 1911 as his issued weapon.
@gregsochor
@gregsochor 3 года назад
As a historian on the Austrian arms industry, it's funny to hear all those hypotheses on how the Bundesheer was able to get those Lugers. It's actually a bit more complicated. Prior to officially establishing the Austria (post-war) army, the so-called B-Gendarmerie was founded with support of the USA, British and French. And these were equipped with pretty much whatever was available. Especially when it came to small arms, the Austrian army only managed to standardize on a single type of handgun with the introduction of the P.81, better known as the Glock17. As that would easily take another 10 years to actually trickle down to all units, even in the early 2000s some units were still equipped with war-time material and for example the P.45 (1911) was still in service with some reserve units.
@gregsochor
@gregsochor 3 года назад
The documents actually exist, but apparently so far no one bothered to translate them to English or publish English articles on the topic.
@strychnine6048
@strychnine6048 3 года назад
Wuld there be any more information on that train with interesting stuff books document etc..
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
Shows up a bit in the last ditch rifle videos and in the MP44 overview video.
@balazslaudisz9733
@balazslaudisz9733 3 года назад
I imagin they lost the proofing stamp.
@SidneyBroadshead
@SidneyBroadshead 3 года назад
Or it was a longer trip to the French proofing house than to the German one.
@bluzamps23
@bluzamps23 3 года назад
LOL - The Luger I had kept putting hot brass down the back of my shirt = I Sold It...
@aldo_agazzi
@aldo_agazzi 3 года назад
They are french, but not french enough to have a "Bonjour" at the start of the video
@googiegress7459
@googiegress7459 3 года назад
Important to have standards. Would you call it French cooking if it was done with German ingredients, in a German kitchen on German soil, with a German kitchen staff following a German recipe written in German - but the head chef doing all the shouting is French?
@mopar_dude9227
@mopar_dude9227 3 года назад
@@googiegress7459 French cooking is extremely overrated. Much rather have some German bratwurst with sauerkraut, and spatzle with a large stein of beer than foie gras, escargot, and frog legs with wine.
@googiegress7459
@googiegress7459 3 года назад
​@@mopar_dude9227 Completely agree. Oxtail soup, marrow, etc. all blur the line between fashion and desperation.
@geofftimm2291
@geofftimm2291 3 года назад
Which commercial Luger is the best looking? Fine finish, inside and out? Geoff Who is a shooter not a collector.
@benholroyd5221
@benholroyd5221 3 года назад
4:28 that marking means its mine. I'd have edited that slip out btw. This is a family channel.
@randallkelley3599
@randallkelley3599 3 года назад
Used to be a guy near Sacramento, CA who would take two Luger's, cut them in half, and weld em up, making 45acp Luger's. The work was flawless. Very expensive even for the 1980's. I believe he has passed by now, but his guns demand well over $4,000 each, when they are seen for sale.
@SidneyBroadshead
@SidneyBroadshead 3 года назад
I think it was P38s, not Lugers. Ian has a video about them. I think Ruger Arms did a .45 ACP Luger in the 1970s or 80s.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
Lugerman makes replicas now. Or did, I've heard he may have passed. Stupidly expensive, like $10k.
@DwemerRespecter
@DwemerRespecter 3 года назад
This may be the most Ian subject matter yet.
@fritzkuhne2055
@fritzkuhne2055 3 года назад
interesting stuff on the wall behind him...
@harryspeakup8452
@harryspeakup8452 3 года назад
Seems to bring some balance, given all the FN Browning Hi-Powers that the Germans helped themselves to after over-running Belgium
@methodeetrigueur1164
@methodeetrigueur1164 3 года назад
And all polish Radom VIS 35s made for the Wehrmacht.
@drdoom-skull2244
@drdoom-skull2244 3 года назад
The Germans also re-used MAS 36 and B1 tanks. It's a common thing to do, and a very logical thing to do.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 3 года назад
I remember reading somewhere that the Kriegsmarine ended up adopting British battledress for their U-Boat uniforms because the Germans captured huge stocks of them at Dunkirk.
@SnoopReddogg
@SnoopReddogg 3 года назад
73.... getting closer!
@jacobums4538
@jacobums4538 3 года назад
Ean, you and your French stuff I swear Also quick question Ian! : I recently saw your vedio on the cauchaut(excuse my miss spelling) and you reported “The cheek well is extremely uncomfortable and the signs are hard to get a picture of” do you change any of your opinion on it? Also I did hear a lot that most of their “reliability issues” can form the 30-06 conversations that the U.S Marines tried using that hellish cartridge in that thing
@yoda5565
@yoda5565 3 года назад
Ian, VERY interesting video. It would be great if you could do more WW2 small arms that found their way into the "Cold War" and how they were re-arsenaled and marked. I know Israel used quite a few German small arms in the 1949 war of liberation. Were these weapons ever put through a re-acceptance by the nations that used them? I still chuckle at the photos of MP44's you see still floating around today in the third world. The French also made P38's in their zone. Notably the two tone versions. The Russians made P38's for the VOPO from the Spreewerk (CYQ) factory. It's a really IMPORTANT subject as these items have created some confusion, especially in the "old" gun show days. Thanks
@MrMolotov888
@MrMolotov888 3 года назад
More like Lûgér
@leroyjenkins4811
@leroyjenkins4811 3 года назад
I can hear you saying Luger with an over exaggerated French accent. That was funny! Well done.
@johnplaid648
@johnplaid648 3 года назад
Thank god for the invention of the Browning HiPower!
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