1965 India-Pakistan War, who won or lost & why it was a war of mutual incompetence | ep 259 

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1971 war did solve one problem. It eliminated the threat from India’s eastern border. That is a big deal

I'm from Pakistan, defence day is just another day for me too, We've always heard it was India to infiltrate first with the famous "aaj ka nashta Lahore mein kry ge"dialogue, Kashmir infiltration is never discussed. Wars always bring destruction, I hope peace and friendship prevails between atleast the common public on both sides, and we keep on watching each other's content on youtube. ❤👍

Hero of Asal uttar "Paramvir Saheed Abdul Hamid". Who alone destroyed 7 American Patton Tanks.

Before the war-pak:-we are going to take kashmir from india After the war-pak:-we stopped india entering lahore 😂😂😂

I want people to understand that during 1965 war, pak economy was doing better than india, they had better armors, faar better jets & at top of all they had support of US lobby. India was slow on all the fronts, india had no support of western world (except USSR that too because we used to buy jets from them) & india suffered major defeat in indio-china war of 1962 + we had a very humble PM & talks were about congress going to sack him (Sastri ji). In that environment, if india could keep kashmir & look into eyes of pakistan, it was very commendable. (in 1965 world media placed it's bet on Pak, it turned out more to be a draw than anything in pak favor) Pak learnt that If they couldn't take kashmir in 1965, they could never. And that's why they started jihaad policy in kashmir soon after.

17:44 "wagah where the nonsensical parade takes place" best thing you've said in the video.

India not just defended Kashmir, but went ahead and captured territory in pok including haji peer. We made huge gains in Sialkot. Defeated Pakistan's offensive in Punjab ( Khem karan). Made a dash to Lahore but halted because ceasefire was to be signed. Overall we captured 4 times more land than Pakistan. It was a handsome victory for India. If the war had continued for few more days, Pakistan would have signed instrument of surrender at Lahore fort. Summary of the war - Kashmir lene chale they, nahi mila, ulta Lahore bachane ke liye UN ke paas bhagna padha.

First step- gandu came to capture chandu's house... 2nd step- chandu kidnapped gandu's sister... Gandu panicked and aborted the mission to capture chandu's house.. Now gandu claims - we won😂😂

11:31 - Factually wrong. Muslims landed in Gibraltar but it had nothing to do with the crusades. It was the invasion of Spain and formation of Al Andalus which would centuries later end with the Reconquista

Best way to avoid war is " Be so powerful that enemy don't dare to attack you example china"

In 1965, we were inferior on all fronts. Yet we retained Kashmir and reached Lahore, so how is it incompetence of Indian forces. Incompetence of a Mr Nehru for sure to leave the army in such ill-equipped situation.

Book Mentioned : War Despatches - Indo Pak Conflict 1965 by Lt. Gen. Harbakhsh Singh. (12:24) & (21:54)

Even India don't celebrate 71 Victory!

Pakistan has always achieved one thing..... 0 i.e. Nothing

"War never solves a problem, only leads to another war" Well said sir, couldn't agree more. I hope our armies realize that one day. Love from Faisalabad, Pakistan.

The war was imposed on India through Operation Gibraltar when Pakistani soldiers were infiltrated with arms. India attacked the International border and almost reached to Lahore. It was a stalemate after a couple of weeks of the war. Finally, Tashkent settlement happened and PM Shastri lost his life due to an unknown reason.

Why we need Guptaji when we have Raja Babu Dhruv Rathee who is lawyer, journalist, doctor, everything lol

India only uses 14% of there arms and ammo but Pakistan lost 90% of the ammo..

I wait for these episodes every day. Great content, detailed and very accessible. I would recommend you also share some additional readings and links in your description each day for those who want to learn and read further. For example the link to MIT press journal paper on India/Pak relations was a great read in addition to the video after 370 abrogation. More of that please.

The lesson he did not discuss was the incompetence of civilian governments in all the wars except 1999 war. In 1962 and 1965 our PMs were desperate for ceasefire at the earliest. And in both these wars if fight would have continued for 4~5 more days the result would have been in India's favor. And in 1971 Mrs Gandhi did not understood that Bhutto was not interested in release of 93000 Pakistani prisoners. Bhutto's only interest was return of Pakistan land occupied by Indian forces during the war. In 1999 Bajpayee did not agreed for any negotiations or ceasefire before Pakistan withdrew its forces. Pakistani soldiers died like cowards while retreating under constant firing and bombing by Indian forces. Offcourse Pakistani forces haven't learned a single lesson. They always works through their real or dummy proxies first and back them with their regular army. Only thing is Pakistani soldiers wasted their lives at the alter of their generals while Indian were martyred in all those wars defending their country.

Nobody wins a war..only humanity loses.

Now some Pakistani military propagandist will start celebrating, just by looking at thumbnail.

My great uncle fought in the war. He passed away a long time ago but he use to tell me stories about the wars but he never showed any hate towards Indians. Just felt he was doing his job fighting for his country. To be fair he gave credit to his enemy combatants.

With all respect sir.. what's the conclusion of this episode of C-T-C.. 🤔🙄 when u end with the statement that both the country should know that war is not the solution.. every now then u mentioned in the episode that Pakistan had attacked India each war .. why can't u just say Pakistan should stop attacking India n look for the future of Pakistanis ... It's so simple 🙏🙏

India won in shakaragarh, haji peer pass, went deep into pak land capturing barki and chawinda philora and close to pasrur which was 25 km deep into pak.

First time in my life true story about 1965 war thanks gupta jee

Our objective was to get kashmir. Yes we did not get all of kashmir but we liberated kashmir and this is this concludes our victory as India who believe 's that kashmir India sovereign land. So u can't handle the idea of losing

Ur entire lecture is accepting the defeat in 1965, your each word is embracing of defeat. U r very simple shoul dear Mr Print

Bappu's ahimsa philosophy had been so ingrained in the blood of our armed forces and the leaders that first aggression from our side was never attempted in any of the wars after Independence. In war this paints a losers picture but in peace it more than compensates making India a hero in contrast to the villainish looks of our perpetual enemy...

Brilliant as always. Thank you

Shekhar sahib ...a great storyteller . Some fascinating facts..thank you. 1. Why did Operation Gibraltar fail. Why didnt India take Neelam Valley and Skardu in 1965. 2. Why did Yahya Khan fail to take Jammu in 1965 3. Why didnt India capture any strategic spots in 1971 that made Chamb vulnerable. why didnt India take Neelam Valley and Skardu in 1971. Israel took Golan Heights didnt they ? 4. I was born in 1947 and I had the best education India had to offer . ( IIT in 1963 etc etc then USA in 1968..Berkeley ) I had never heard of Tawi river ( Or Chakki River ) until Internet and Google Earth ( 2002 ) India education leaves many gaps. Why didnt India educated people know in early 1945 that China will certainly take Tibet.

And then came PM Modi and he changed the entire equation of Kashmir and called of nuclear bluff and that's why to this date after taken over J&K paktn not able to launch any war 😂😂

Abdul Hamid - Legend Indian Tiger of 1965 War 🙏🇮🇳🙏 Jai Hind 🙏🇮🇳🙏 Vande Matram 🙏🇮🇳🙏 Jai Shree Ram 🚩🇮🇳🙏

Half an hour? At 1 at night? I'm going to sleep.

jai hind, best wishes from Afghanistan.

Pakistan and north Korea is almost same. Korea has two issues u.s.a and south Korea Pakistan has two issues India and Afghanistan

Very well articulated and based upon facts and not chest thumping. I loved your way of storytelling. Big thumbsbup👍

A very balanced account of 1965 ops. Shekhar, it would be great if you can do a CTC on Lt Gen Sagat Singh PVSM, a brilliant General who never ever lost!

as a Pakistani I want to say We celebrate 1965 not because it was a magnificent victory against India . But rather because of the decisive defensive strategical victory of Pakistan ( that’s why DEFENCE DAY ) . Ayub khan wanted Kashmir . Though he failed the operation . INDIA wanted a powerful retaliation coz of this operation! And there main objective was to capture Lahore completely. However they failed in capturing Lahore . Also Guineas world record was made in battle by a Pakistani M.M.Alam ( u can google ) he shot down 5 Indian jets under 30 seconds . On other hand India was able to capture a number of small towns on the border sides and gained area on Pakistan. However the War was a naval + Air victory for Pakistan .

1. Pakistan celebrates 6th day for defense of Lahore. 2. War started with Pak's operation Gibraltar, India just opened the new theatres. 3. Pak failed to get anything in Kashmir which was the main purpose, India couldn't get anything substantial in Lahore and Sialkot sectors where sole Pakistani purpose was the defense. 4. Pak had technical superiority esp with fighter planes and Pak did have a slight edge when it came to some sort of air superiority. The main things which came up in that war, far away from propaganda of our local media (I am sure Indians have their own propaganda stories), were that Pak army just didn't have that cutting edge to defeat India and couldn't fight a full-scale long battle and most importantly, India could always throw more bodies in war just like USSR did in WW2 against Nazis.

Sir, you are brilliant reporter, brilliant person who can analyse so wisely

In 1965 surprisingly attacked in Surat n Pakistan were having upper hand initially but Shastriji was suggested to open multiple fronts so we went to Lahore...At that US supplied Tanks were there...they got scared when we entered Lahore n When Hamid destroyed many tanks...so this 1965 surprise was taken revenge in 1971 by destroying Karachi...

If I can recollect we were given the impression that we won the war. I was in my teens studying in school. We never felt we last a war,unlike the chines war 1962. I remember my father let us not to celebrate Deepavali as the jawans were dying in dead cold in Himalayas. I think he was refering to ladhak, not Arunachala Pradesh.

6 sep "Defence Day" means they defended indian attack, so if they successfully defended then they won the war.

I think you have covered it pretty well bar 2,3 things which are probably tough for an Indian to admit for obvious reasons. 1. Like you said in the video, Pakistan doesn’t accept Kashmir as part of India so in national perspective of Pak, we never started the war. India crossed the international border on 6th September hence India started the war, not Pakistan. 2. The objectives of attack on Lahore wasn’t limited to simply expanding the fight to stretch Pakistan army. If that was the purpose, India would have attacked multiple fronts like Sialkot, Narowal, Cholistan and other border towns at same time. India wanted to capture the heart line of Pakistani Punjab to have better position at negotiation table after the war. 3. Pakistan has the technological advantage while India could throw almost 3 bodies for 1 Pakistan soldier everywhere in the border which was the decisive factor at that time. Pakistan’s army was never meant to be an attacking force in nature and generals at that time thought that they could force the soldiers to pull off Kashmir against their core training. I would never understand why Pakistan waited 3 years to try their hand at that which could have been done in a better way in 1962 when India was plummeted by Chinese.

Sir you are one of my favorite ace journalists as you are so precise, as if you are vidur of Mahabharata that one has to just listen to what truth is, you are an ace sir, endless river you are like pink Floyd as you set the flow in such a smooth way. Amazing.

One of the best episodes of CtC. Thank You.

Yes.1965 was a war of mutual incompetence.Both sides did failed to capitalize on their advantages.

Thank you for this topic. It was very insightful. Please also talk about 1971 war.

An wonderful analysis of 65 war. Objective & realistic. With a more wonderful conclusion that war never solves a problem, it only leads to another in some points of time. Would the Politicians & Generals of both the countries come to their senses?.

The war started when compromising became less important than being thankful with negotiations.😊

Overall good analysis and the wonderful message at the end. It's really unfortunate to see war hysteria between the nations who are most compatible when meet in foreign countries.

1965, won by Indian army’s in side of Lahore was Indian army’s all war lost by Pakistan 1958,1962,1965,1971,1999, kargal war 1999,Pakistan lost all there stock files , they lost everything

1 brigade of india vs 5 brigade of Pakistan 😮 . Strength doesn't matter what matters is the execution of plan and moral of soldiers. Jai Hind ki SENA

27:48 Because Akhter Hussain Malik was a genius. He was the most respected general in the Pak army at that time even more than General Ayub himself. And that was the main reason why General Ayub was afraid about his position and thought he might had become the chief of staff. General Ayub was jealous of his capabilities. He didn't want the credit of winning Kashmir go into Akhter's basket. Pakistan was very near to take Kashmir had that swapping of generals would not occured.

September 1: Pakistan attacked kashmir September 6: India attacked lahore. India captured 1800square km of Pakistan. Pakistan capture 504square km of India. But in Pakistani books Pakistan won😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Please please please make another video on 1971 war

War Despatches - 1965... Another book for me to read........

yahyah khan attended a wargame at US in 1964 where pak turned out victorious. So he mistook wargame with reality

The main culprit of the Indian defeat against the Chinese did not resign. He gave 50 bullets per slodier for an old bolt driving gun 303. The soldiers did not have winter clothing and proper boots. This culprit was --NEHRU.

Those who are celebrating 'defence day' for saving Lahore from Indian army forget that Lahore was in no danger to begin with.It were Pakistani generals like Ayub and politicians like Bhutto who provoked a needless intrusion in Kashmir ,totally misreading Indian counter attack.India not only opened front in Punjab but also captured four times more territory than Pakistan.Paksitan paid for their follies and their rulers gave their citizenry a lollipop in the form of defence day. Oye Lahore tou bacha bachaya tha...Kashmir tou Mila nahi ultra Lahore bachane ke laaley padh gaye...This has been a recurring theme in Pakistani history ..Of false heroes and false bravado.

Waiting for '71 now....Jai Hind

The only incompetence India has had is with politicians on the diplomacy table who frittered away the strategic advantage gained from military victories. If they had seen Pakistan through a cultural lens and not just Kashmir. Pakistan would have been a done deal

Waiting for Chandrayaan2 pray for successful soft landing

interesting facts and 'non sensical parade at wagha' hahaaa....

Shekhar how about a piece on Shastri and what happened in Tashkent. And why we relinquished the lands, which we had famously annexed. Shahstri chapter would make for an interesting story. Thanks!!!

Brilliant. The concluding part is the real message.

Sir Thank you for this.

Brilliant Positive analysis of the 65 War Hats off, very rational and realistic It is true that wars don't solve anything, they sow the seeds of yet another .

Great explanation.... Thanks for posting.... Really The Print is doing great... Can you post a video about 1971 war!!!

Excuse me but i have yet to meet a Pakistani who believes we won the 65 war in the sense being fed to Indian populous ,rather as the name of the event "Defense Day" suggests we celebrate the event in a sense that we defended our land successfully from a force at least to some careful estimates four times larger than ours at that time. which you like it or not is an achievement on its own. Just cutting the Clutter.

Life gets even with you in strange ways! Well said Sir

Didnt pakistani army capture Jawahar Tunnel (Banihal pass)? my Father used to say,in Marathi..."naak daable ki tond ughadte" meaning if we press nose,mouth opens...hope kashmiris realise,pakistanis love Lahore more than kashmir.

Anyone else watching at 1.5x?

Thanks for the article

This is one of the best episodes . Thank you

Good message in the end. However, I believe that both India and Pakistan have a religion problem where religion is more important than State, neighbor, friend etc. This importance of religion ensures that the root of the problem will continue till our generations are actively taught tolerance.

Gilbraltar is derived from Tariq Al Jabr , and was founded AFTER islamic conquest of Spain not before like you mentioned. Also Crusades were launched from Messina Italy not Gibraltar.

You need to add that the Indian Armed Forces were deliberately starved of weapons and funding before 1962, because the Nehru administrations thought we did not need the Armed Forces. I remember serving in NEFA in 1970, we still had bolt action rifles circa WW I. Uniforms were good old cotton olive green. For High Altitude areas we depended on US Army sleeping bags, and even today of Insulated rubber boots of US origin. -- this was in a frontline Division charged with defense of the border with the Chinese.

This is what you call independent journalism

Add Cut The Clutter on 'Tashkent Declaration' and another on 'Shimla Pact'

Agree with 90 percent of things you said, however i would like to disagree on the point you made involving the Ahmedi general in 1965 war. In 1965 Pakistan, its people its army and neither its establishment were religious or driven by religion .Pak became a religious nation in the early 1980s when Zia took over... So your opinion on why the ahmedi general was replaced despite performing extraordinarily well sounds odd and unfitting in 1965-irreligious Pakistan. In my opinion the reason the Ahmedi genral was replaced with Yahya lhan was because the establishment and the CAOS AYUB Khan wanted genral yahya to perform well on an already winning attack and taking all the credit of the ahmedi general so that Yahya khan could become popular. Lets not forget despite the horrible attack Yahya khan conducted he in the end became Paks Caos. SOoo someone was definetly backing and supporting him

1965 was a default of Pakistan India defend Kashmir that time So technically India won That war

Dear Shekar Gupta ..... You are amazing...... And your elucidation of snippets which are stitched together by your astute experience is a real eye opener for me and for the viewing public.... really thank you for such gems.......And I look forward to your posts everyday.. ..a big fan of yours 😍

War never solves the problem is not true! American entry in WW II, brought Germany to its knees! Germans starting the war but eventually losing the war Bcoz of allied forces, gave them the recognition of being EQUAL to Britain & France! Conclusion : comprises r made between equals both economically & militarily. One day when Pakistans economy matches that of India, then a compromise may be achieved. Not4 that.

How can you bring European like treaty when that state was created against Hindus and hate for hindusim aka kafurs .. ?? When majority of them believe in killing non Muslims and their only debate for taking Kashmir is because of being a muslim majority state .. ? If they believe in such a discrimination against different religion does that even possible to think about European kind of union between India and " *ISLAMIC* REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN " ??

Real Humiliation is 1971 tearing apart and making 2 Nation. India to pakistan- take your East Pakistan first then kashmir 😂😂😂. Pakistan should celebrate 16 December to add 1 more nation to world map!!!

Ironocally Gen. Malik being an Ahmadi was removed before Pakistani forces could move further ahead in J&K. Pakistani Military mullahs don't need India as an enemy

Very interesting to know the facts about the Indo-Pak war of 1965, although I have seen this war my self

Wrong 71 war couldn't rest the matter because of the incompetence of the Indian leaders, we had 1lk pow, and marched deep into enemy land, Pakistan would have signed any letter to get them out of it, it was complete victory And don't tell war doesn't solve anything, of course war should be the last resort, but if there is no other way, we should not be afraid of it That's what Rama did, that's what Krishna did Ur views are very average

Commando comic channel😃. Love that expression!

An excellent analysis, sir. I never miss your presentations.

Why do Shekhar Guptas talks always pertain to pakistan

Listen to shastri when he tells india of ending war... He says pakistan bohat der se aur mushkil se razi hua cease fire which is enough to know who was eager to end war

If Afghanistan draws a test match with Australia... Afghanistan would be considered moral winner, if not on record books. India being a weaker side due to technological backwardness in warfare, still didn't loose an inch , makes India winner in spirts if not in records

This was amazing, thank you. As a northern european writing a paper on this war - this video helped immensely

please make video 1971 war with more info

Thank you for a most wonderful presentation. By the way, Gibraltar comes from the term 'Jabar al Tariq' (mountain of Tariq) named after the Muslim commander Tariq Bin Ziyad.

I conclude that the people of both countries want peace instead of war. War is solution to no issue. We should settle our mutual disputes in an amicable way.