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1984 Lore 👁️ Why Didn't Eurasia Conquer Britain? 

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Taking a look at the geopolitical situation in 1984, Britain looks very much alone, overshadowed by Eurasia very close by. This begs the question, why hasn't Eurasia annexed the British Isles?
In this video we take a look at some explanations, based on our history, common sense and the lore of the 1984 universe to answer this question.
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@Chemagon
@Chemagon 3 месяца назад
Because Eurasia has ALWAYS been our ally. We were ALWAYS at war with eastasia
@billpg
@billpg 3 месяца назад
Hey, we weren't at war with Eastasia last mont+++NO CARRIER
@TopatTom
@TopatTom 3 месяца назад
One last push! One last push!
@Idunnohowabout7364
@Idunnohowabout7364 3 месяца назад
Yeah I can’t believe this RU-vidr is making these lies and not getting punished
@maxtaylor5164
@maxtaylor5164 Месяц назад
🤨
@laurencewinch-furness9450
@laurencewinch-furness9450 3 месяца назад
Another point - Oceania is likely a greater naval power than Eurasia, as indicated by the name. The UK has traditionally been a naval power, and the US at the end of WWII had the world's largest navy. Oceania is spread out over multiple continents, unlike the other two powers, so Oceania's main military strength was most likely its navy.
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
True. However, this is offset to a large extent by the close proximity of Air Strip One to Eurasian lands too. Logistically and militarily it is feasible at least. I think you're right though the navy disparity is probably big, though I'm sure the Eurasian navy is nothing to scoff at either. It's probably more down to the idea of cultural integrity and effort. As the Book states it would be a huge effort to assimilate or exterminate millions people deeply ingrained with the INGSOC ideology. Maybe that's the main reason.
@vladbesedovskyy826
@vladbesedovskyy826 3 месяца назад
Russia never really had good enough navy for any major operation. This might be the main case and answer for the question in matter
@gasmonkey1000
@gasmonkey1000 3 месяца назад
@@nineteen-eighty-four-lore Not really. IRL Sealion was canceled due to the lack of air-superiority because the UK had a superior navy. And as long as Oceania had even the slightest hope (or illusion of hope) of launching a D-Day into Eurasia then they'd need Airstrip One. Especially since it'd be a way of opening a new front against Eurasia. If ya look at all the problems Sealion would've faced then it wouldn't take long to come to the "oh shit" moment a lot of Wehrmacht command would have come to: "landing is successful, troops are landed. Reinforcements and supplies denied. Troops stranded. Forced between surrender, slaughter, or starvation." Regardless of how callously the three powers are troops aren't cheap, just look at how much it costs to train and maintain troops IRL. It takes months to build a new tank, years to make a new crew. And aside from cost, it's also the fact that I'd imagine Eurasia would need the troops to not only maintain their massive front and the fall back lines but also to crush resistance Tldr, could they? Yes, would it have been worth the bet? Hell no!
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 месяца назад
​@@vladbesedovskyy826 I agree. The core of Eurasia is the old Soviet Union which was notoriously rubbish as a naval power, being constantly outfought at sea to the end of WW2 even by Nazi Germany.
@missk1697
@missk1697 3 месяца назад
​@@alanpennie8013USSR navy was essentially split into 4 different fleets due to geography, so each individual one was obviously weakened. Eurasia wouldn't have this issue.
@DimensionsofChange
@DimensionsofChange 3 месяца назад
My headcanon is Iceland is now called airstrip two and no one there knows why.
@thesenate1844
@thesenate1844 3 месяца назад
You mean Ireland?
@godozo
@godozo 3 месяца назад
​@@thesenate1844 Ireland would likely be taken over soon after Great Britain, as the islands are quite close. And if not taken over, you can be sure there'd be plenty of bombing runs on Ireland if Airstrip One's government and base of operations were to move to Ireland. As for Iceland, it's a bit of a distance, thereby giving some protection. In addition, you have the Oceanic Navy protecting the place (even though it didn't seem to be enough to stop the invasion of Great Britain and Ireland). Hence it's set-aside status as "Airstrip Two."
@DimensionsofChange
@DimensionsofChange 3 месяца назад
@@thesenate1844awe double plus crap. I forgot about airstrip 3.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 месяца назад
No, no. It's called The Atom Station, in honour of the novel by Haldor Laxness which was first published in 1948.
@ElzariusUnity
@ElzariusUnity 3 месяца назад
@@thesenate1844 Airstrip One, Reverse Runway One.
@licmir3663
@licmir3663 3 месяца назад
It makes sense that a “Operation Unthinkable” was tried in the 1984 universe, leading to the formation of the super states
@aldraone-mu5yg
@aldraone-mu5yg 3 месяца назад
My head cannon is that all the major powers actually have two militaries. One too sacrifice excesses man power and war material in the forever war, and another more elite force designed to defend there core territories should one of the other powers actually try to win.
@DimensionsofChange
@DimensionsofChange 3 месяца назад
Outer army and inner army. I love it.
@amongusus47825
@amongusus47825 3 месяца назад
​@@DimensionsofChange helldivers
@aldraone-mu5yg
@aldraone-mu5yg 3 месяца назад
@@DimensionsofChange Uh Thats good
@MikeHunt-zy3cn
@MikeHunt-zy3cn 3 месяца назад
Makes sense. Seeing how they have an outer and inner party.
@KPW2137
@KPW2137 3 месяца назад
Wow, it makes quite a lot of sense actually. Thanks for sharing!
@FreyR_Kunn
@FreyR_Kunn 3 месяца назад
The fact Colchester was nuked could imply there were also nuclear strikes against Eurasian cities like Minsk or Kyiv. The fact Britain is known as "Airstrip One" suggests it is used to store and launch large air assets that could have carried out these nuclear attacks. That may be why Britain is never invaded, immediately bombers and their escorts would take off and hit the nearby mainland (assuming that military technology has remained largely stagnant so intercontinental missiles aren't a thing). So Britain is a prime location to have deterrents on because of how close it is to Eurasia.
@drdeadred851
@drdeadred851 3 месяца назад
That would make sense, the bombs dropped on london are pretty much just the rockets Germany attacked Britain with in ww2, given how semi-random they are with where they hit it isnt hard to believe the tech is pretty much the same. Realistically its probably because GO wrote it just after ww2 ended and so was directly invoking the same terror bombing the UK had experienced not too long ago, but it fits the theory well enough. Others have also mentioned how the big government buildings dont seem to ever get hit either, which has a load of other theories attached to it obviously like weather the war is real to begin with or not, and being fair they'd obviously have a lot more protection allocated to them. But I find it hard to believe that if missile/rocket tech had advanced as it did irl that by 1984 they wouldnt have levelled those buildings a few times over. What could possibly be a higher priority target in this sort of situation?
@jlworrad
@jlworrad 3 месяца назад
I imagine by the nuclear phase of the war, and certainly after, neither side had the capability to mount a large invasion for some decades and by then the comfortable balance both side’s inner parties came to prefer had set in.
@JB-hp5ii
@JB-hp5ii 3 месяца назад
Being named "Airstrip One" suggests the islands have been demoted to status of strategic asset for Oceania, rather than any meaningful territory. Could mean two things - it is of little value, and Eurasia doesn't see any reason to launch a full blown invasion, or, as a front line asset, the area is actually very well defended.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 месяца назад
I seem to remember that The Book asserts that military tech has not much changed since WW2. Certainly there's no H - Bomb, since Orwell didn't know such a thing was possible. Atomic weapons in this world would have the same destructive power as Little Boy.
@stu8729
@stu8729 3 месяца назад
I remember that Colchester was nuked but who is to say that it was a Eurasian attack? The British Empire is incorporated into Oceania but echoes of an Empire are perhaps mere bottles of Victory Gin. Remember not only are the echoes of Socialism stifled by the Newspeak Ingsoc but also the English. Airstrip 1 is clearly a military connotation, so is apparently a 'Front line' satellite. The living conditions may not be anywhere near as bad elsewhere in the Oceanic American Empire.
@VolkovVelikan
@VolkovVelikan 3 месяца назад
I think it is impossible for either of the three super states to invade each other’s main territory. Eurasia is massive, so oceanic forces would be spred thin not only that, but it’s terrain is not exactly easily to move around in since Europe has both extremely flat terrain were the enemy can be spotted easily and high mountains which makes it difficult to move a big army around and give the defenders a big advantage over any invading forces. Oceania on the other hand is protected by the vast ocean and one can assume that the Oceanian military has invested a lot in its navy and it is probably the most powerful navy of the three super states. Not only are all their military forces hyper inflated, but also their population and resources since all three superpowers are self sufficient, so there is also no economic incentive to invade the other’s territory. Is also worth mentioning that despite the so called different ideologies of Neo-Bolshevism, English socialism and obliteration of the self, all superpowers behave almost identically in their domestic affairs and one can say that in Eurasia they say they same thing along the lines of “we are at war with Oceania….we have always been at war with Oceania” and then “we are at war with eastasia…we have always been at war with eastasia” Also, let’s not forget that, the war is also a way in which the party controls the people, since the idea of an external enemy, always helps in maintaining the focus of the population away from internal struggle and more in fighting the alien. So since it’s established that Eurasia, Oceania and Eastasia behave the same way, explains why they agreed to only wage war along the equator in Africa and the Middle East which is the so called disputed territories, this also explains the fact that Eurasia and east Asia never seem to push each other’s borders despite sharing a massive land border but they rather fight each other over Iran or India. As well why Eastasia never attacks new Zealand or Australia which are areas that can also be easily isolated from the main Oceanic region.
@urdnal
@urdnal 3 месяца назад
Whenever you sign off with "Big Brother is watching you" I'm reminded of the SCTV (a late 70s-early 80s Canadian sketch comedy show) 1984 themed episode. They'd sign off with "Big Brother is watching you, thank you for watching Big Brother."
@valcanoman1829
@valcanoman1829 3 месяца назад
I would say Big Brother is watching you so be good and obey the rules of the party and remember that Big Brother Loves You. I am a person who is hidden from INSOC and the Thought Police by exposing the truth about the Party and Big Brother while I’m wearing a tin foil hat and other sources of information on my wall.
@NeoEvanA.R.T
@NeoEvanA.R.T 3 месяца назад
Invading a island is hard
@Peak_Aussieman
@Peak_Aussieman 3 месяца назад
It depends on population density but yeah. Australia for instance, or Tasmania or New Zealand in theory wouldn't be that difficult to invade and militarily occupy.
@NeoEvanA.R.T
@NeoEvanA.R.T 3 месяца назад
@@Peak_Aussieman during the battle of Iwo Jima, Us forces sustained 24,053 casualties, by far the highest single-action losses in Marine Corps history. Of these, a total of 6,140 died. Iwo Jima has NO ONE Living on It
@Peak_Aussieman
@Peak_Aussieman 3 месяца назад
@@NeoEvanA.R.T Yes, and Japan had a martial populace that would rather die en masse then face surrender. But now we're getting into the will to fight, which can't really be quantified.
@NeoEvanA.R.T
@NeoEvanA.R.T 3 месяца назад
@@Peak_Aussieman this is oceania we talking about, they definitely have the material and fanatics population to fight.
@AustroHungarianEmpire1867
@AustroHungarianEmpire1867 3 месяца назад
Yeah, ask Bonaparte.
@dataexpunged2827
@dataexpunged2827 3 месяца назад
I would love to see a video about the INGSOC revolution itself and the history of the party before it took power.
@amongusus47825
@amongusus47825 3 месяца назад
Lmao, it will be just fanfiction
@Nick-zp3ub
@Nick-zp3ub 3 месяца назад
Read a clockwork orange. The government that brainwashed alex is the ingsoc regime in its early years. If you want to know how ingsoc was overthrown years later read v for vendetta
@nomemories130
@nomemories130 3 месяца назад
I wonder if the guy muttering about how they should never have trusted them was referring to the Soviet/Eurasian attack on Europe and North America or the U.S. absorption of the British Empire .
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 месяца назад
Definitely could be either.
@illyrian44
@illyrian44 3 месяца назад
Neobolshie invasion of Europe😊
@IAmAlpharius20
@IAmAlpharius20 3 месяца назад
*Cowboy noises* "Sorry, dad" *America invades Britain*
@Svevsky
@Svevsky 3 месяца назад
@IamAlpharius20 they probably didnt even need to invade britain. Post ww2, britain was in rubble which is how the americans managed to effortlessly dismantle the empire and turn britain into an overseas colony (this is why it is indeed accurate to say america specifically won ww2, since britain, france and poland got basically sold out by fdr and later truman do they certainly didnt gain much from the war) Theres nothing speaking against america doing the same in that timeline.
@Genets210
@Genets210 3 месяца назад
I misread the thumbnail as "No Eurovision?" in 1984 lol
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
Oceania imported Eurovision singers to use in Room 101. 🤣
@ZENmud
@ZENmud 3 месяца назад
Heh heh heh heh heh ^^^^^^^🎉❤
@aldraone-mu5yg
@aldraone-mu5yg 3 месяца назад
It’s probably the most well defended place on the planet.
@stephenchappell7512
@stephenchappell7512 3 месяца назад
Unless you arrive via dinghy
@illyrian44
@illyrian44 3 месяца назад
I think George Orwell perfectly predicted the cold war scenario. Even though mutually assured destruction was not an established concept by the time that he wrote the book, Orwell was very keen on understanding that a war between the superstates would mean total destruction of life and of course, the total destruction of political systems and these superstates were not gonna risk it all for very little.
@Notto-tn9dy
@Notto-tn9dy 3 месяца назад
Probably because it would break the informal agreement between the leadership of the three powers.
@ernestschultz5065
@ernestschultz5065 3 месяца назад
During WW2 the Soviets moved practically whole towns and industry further east to continue fighting the Germans. An amazing Herculean achievement.
@amongusus47825
@amongusus47825 3 месяца назад
Nah
@ernestschultz5065
@ernestschultz5065 3 месяца назад
@@amongusus47825 read history
@illyrian44
@illyrian44 3 месяца назад
This is a lie
@ernestschultz5065
@ernestschultz5065 3 месяца назад
Your ignorance is showing
@Xer405
@Xer405 3 месяца назад
Moving industry wasn't a "herculean" achievment. It was a simole pratical move. Any developed nation can move industry. The fact they had to showed Stalin's incompetence in purging his military leaders which led to such easy German gains early into the invasion.
@GioiBianchi
@GioiBianchi 3 месяца назад
I think eurasia did't invade becouse having the enemy so close can be used to keep the population at bay
@valcanoman1829
@valcanoman1829 3 месяца назад
Yeah I kind of figured that Eurasia is like watching them to find out any weaknesses or they are just planning on something else to conquer Britain.
@totallynotalpharius2283
@totallynotalpharius2283 3 месяца назад
This is my headcanon which assumes Oceania is just Britain : Oceania has nukes or the outside world is unsure if they do and it’s not worth the risk The Cold War between NATO/ Warsaw Pact is still going on and there’s just more pressing matters It likely has some Allies to help with food imports or *shudder* they have some sort of Soylent green situation going on As long as Oceania doesn’t make overtly aggressive moves against any of their neighbors , they’re content to let the house of cards collapse in on itself.
@mrgreen6980
@mrgreen6980 2 месяца назад
That may be true. It is easy to 'sanction' an island and have them be left there.
@MrMirville
@MrMirville 3 месяца назад
Actually Air Strip One was a kind of Oceanian North Korea : a much poorer and more perfectly totalitarian zone than both the rest of Oceania and nearby Eurasia. Invading such an impoverished and un self-sufficient territory would have entailed no benefits.
@mado-wh4jv
@mado-wh4jv 3 месяца назад
Based on what though, I understand the point that geographically has no real benefits, but isn't the rest of Oceania living in the very same level of poverty and scarcity as part of the Ignsoc's programs?
@prof.badfellow9868
@prof.badfellow9868 3 месяца назад
Amphibious operations are already a difficult undertaking. Imagine Eurasia being further restricted by a network of virtually unsinkable floating fortresses to further reinforce the stalemate
@stephenwood6663
@stephenwood6663 3 месяца назад
It bears considering that all the information Winston is exposed to - including Goldstein's book - is ultimately derived from the Party. We only have the Party's word for it that Eurasia even exists (though if it doesn't, it does make the Party's occasional declarations to have always been allied with Eastasia and at war with Eurasia or vice versa difficult to explain: it would just be making more work for itself). Nonetheless, the prescence of an adjacent, mostly-hostile superpower does suit the Party's purposes: rallying hatred against an external threat helps prevent Airstrip One from developing internal opposition. If Eurasia did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.
@flyboymb
@flyboymb 3 месяца назад
My theory is that no superstate could hope to take on both of the other powers at once. The forces necessary to make significant gains against any other powee would leave that state vulnerable against an invasion by the remaining one. None of the powers trusts the others enough to create an alliance to destroy the third. The borders are as such that it would be difficult to see if the other power was doing equal fighting. Victory would eventually pit the two survivors against each other with a 50:50 baseline chance of either side winning. Those aren't good odds. The alternative is to maintain a stranglehold over their own people and skirmish with the other powers.
@adenrius
@adenrius 3 месяца назад
I didn't watch the entire video yet, but one theory is that Eurasia simply doesn't exist.
@TheSpellingErrrror
@TheSpellingErrrror 3 месяца назад
I like to believe Oceania formed in the 1950s and only controls the UK and their 'infinite' war with Eurasia and Eastasia is actually with the Irish Free Army although the question is with this why doesn't NATO or the Warsaw Pact invade
@esotericulmanist8331
@esotericulmanist8331 3 месяца назад
it's a cheap theory
@That_damn_possessed_guy
@That_damn_possessed_guy 3 месяца назад
@@esotericulmanist8331 I mean a very popular theory is that Oceania/Airstrip 1 is a North Korea-esque rogue state who just spews propaganda to have a facade of power. In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that there are American inner party members who appear in the book, I would believe the theory myself
@VolkovVelikan
@VolkovVelikan 3 месяца назад
Eurasia and east Asia exist. But all three superstates agreed to fight on the big disputed territories along the equatorial African line
@adenrius
@adenrius 3 месяца назад
@@esotericulmanist8331 Why not? 1984 is all about reality being whatever the state wants. Nations of 1984 are overly simplistic and absurdly big, as if they were made up. It's also pretty convenient that Airstrip One is separated from the so called rest of Oceania.
@SUVC-hx9rz
@SUVC-hx9rz 3 месяца назад
I believe that the most realistic scenario as to why Airstrip One was not invaded is due to the possibility that there never was a war in the first place. Realistically speaking, the superpowers within George Orwell's 1984 would likely never form to begin with, & even if they were formed, the cultural & ethnic backgrounds from all different regions & nations would make it near impossible to achieve near complete control of all of its citizens; We see an example of this with the proles within Airstrip one - They are largely left alone due to being an uneducated people in the party's eyes. I believe there are more layers as to why they are left alone though. As constantly noted throughout the novel, Oceania is an authoritarian surveillance state in which the party overlooks its citizens with its telescreens & use of the thought police, and while effective, it's just about impossible to impose on the entire (supposed) lands & citizens of Oceania.
@tempestfennac9687
@tempestfennac9687 3 месяца назад
I'm not an expert on military history, but one of the main reasons why Operation Sealion was never attempted was a lack of ships which could land troops (and a lack of crew for the boats they scrounged up, which included Rhine barges which had to be towed by other boats). The Luftwaffe would have been expected to fend off the Royal Navy and RAF remnants (if the Battle of Britain had been lost by the RAF, surviving fighter squadrons would have been moved north where the Nazis couldn't reach the airfields) and carry out massive bombing raids on London in an attempt to get people to flee the city to clog roads so reinforcements couldn't get to the invasion site while also compensating for the fact that transporting artillery and tanks across wasn't possible by filling the role artillery would usually serve. The Nazis only had 2 prototype landing barges available in '40 and building more would have meant being unable to replace planes which were being lost, so it's easy to see why the invasion never happened. Being as Eurasia could presumably deal with these issues by building landing barges, I think your theories about nukes, Airstrip One being heavily guarded and the idea that core territories wouldn't be invaded are more plausible reasons for Airstrip One not being taken over.
@Mechanical_Turk
@Mechanical_Turk 3 месяца назад
Floating Fortress.
@andychap6283
@andychap6283 3 месяца назад
Love this channel, awesome video
@Crosmando
@Crosmando 3 месяца назад
Oceania is so named because it's power comes from it's control of the oceans, so I imagine naval superiority in the Atlantic and English Channel is held by Oceania.
@lukedoyle1200BC
@lukedoyle1200BC 3 месяца назад
"Airstrip-1 wouldn't be conquered by Eurasia and likely never will." *Laughs in Ireland*✊🇮🇪
@mitchellline4242
@mitchellline4242 3 месяца назад
Could you do a video theorizing all about the Americas in 1984 like you touched on in this video? Such as how did the U.S and Latin America end up joining Oceania. A theory I like is that maybe the 1950s nuclear war was actually the last attempt at the U.S to stop Ingsoc
@sirfrancis8732
@sirfrancis8732 3 месяца назад
an interesting idea, so I'll share one of my own! My own thought is that maybe Oceania started due to the US's naval dominance post-WW2 and they effecively brought every other country on the two continents in as maybe separate states, with english socialism being purely an invention of airstrip one and the true ruling system off in Washington being... different, for lack of a better word.
@samuelsstuffyt
@samuelsstuffyt 3 месяца назад
In my opinion, speaking of the War before 1955/1956 as between Oceania and Eurasia may not be completely accurate to the lore, although of course so much of the lore behind the geopolitics in 1984 has to be made up by the viewer as the novel purposefully leaves it ambiguous. In my head atleast, Oceania and Eurasia were formed as the product of War, they didn't exist when it started. It's very likely World War Three broke out somewhere in the early 1950s, which led to the atomic bombings of places like Colchester. The Soviet Army, a conventionally larger force than the US and NATO had at the time, took Europe in a few weeks and therefore formed Eurasia, after this Eurasia would begin to launch assaults into Africa where France and Britain still held colonial empires. In response to the outbreak of World War Three, the United States and United Kingdom merged into one State - Oceania - and also consolidated all the territory it could, such as South America - I do believe this one is actually directly mentioned in the book. Again, this would explain why Oceania holds the territory it does. It's very likely that the Party in Oceania took power during the periods of martial law and States of Emergency during the War, with a Civil War in Oceania breaking out likely from those who did not adhere to the Party. With that considered, the reason Eurasia didn't capture Britain is because they couldn't, the United States and United Kingdom had a far superior navy to that of the USSR, while the USSR had a superior land force that allowed them to take Europe. Eastasia probably formed from the People's Republic of China seizing Japan, Korea and French Indochina as World War Three kept the major powers occupied. Apart from World War Three, the conflict between the three is manufactured and only is waged to waste resources and allow artificial austerity to be continued, so that the respective governments of the three superpowers can keep their hold on power, so by the events of 1984 there would be no plan or attempts to invade or blockade Britain, because an end to the War and therefore the artificial austerity imposed by it would lead to the collapse of the social order and governments of those respective nations.
@billtycoon3289
@billtycoon3289 3 месяца назад
2:38 Eurasia did conquer Iceland though. So that's something at least.
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
I noticed that too. 👀😄
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 месяца назад
​@@nineteen-eighty-four-lore Very surprising and implausible
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 месяца назад
Assuming that *Goldstein's* book is accurate it appears that the three competing powers are what are sometimes called civilization states. They're not the much less integrated coalitions of the real Cold War. Accepting this the decision not to conquer any part of the core territory of the three powers definitely makes sense for the reasons given in The Book.
@rbir2653
@rbir2653 3 месяца назад
I thought they were never at war with Eurasia.
@huskadog7748
@huskadog7748 3 месяца назад
Haven't seen the video yet, but the answer im going with on the title alone is that they couldn't. Do you understand just how enormously dominant the british and american navies are? Russia practically doesn't have a navy, france scuttled it in ww2, the kriegsmarine was beaten down in ww2, and the industrial capacity to make more ships in Oceania probably far exeeds that of Eurasia, not only because there several tomes larger than Eurasia, but because there essentially every significant naval power on earth rolled into one.
@16mopey
@16mopey 3 месяца назад
Hm i always kinda wonder with this of the leaders of the three nations live somewhere in the disputed zone with highly vetted security and they use the war as a cover so a small number can live in permanent luxury and safety whole the many suffer for them
@Robert0Pirie
@Robert0Pirie 3 месяца назад
Entirely possible that the three powers are actually just one. A global elite holding three different ideologies over the populace, ruling in triplicate, but united as one for the benefit of those said elite.
@schizoidboy
@schizoidboy 3 месяца назад
One thing to consider is the "Floating Fortress" which is mentioned in the book. It might be the thing keeping Airstrip One from being invaded, but there is also the fact that at a certain point in the book the war switches from Eurasia to East Asia, making us wonder if there was a war being fought at all. Why switch enemies and go about making sure everyone knows they're fighting East Asia instead of Eurasia? In any case invasions are easier to plan than they are to execute. When one considers the effort to just invade France during World War Two by the Allies, such things are not easy to pull off. Something else to be considered, the war itself might be a type of Cold War where proxies are fighting instead of nations which are doing just enough to give the illusion of a war being fought.
@marshallodom1388
@marshallodom1388 11 дней назад
They realized there was no point. Before Winston's birth, No one in Europe ever traveled to England for a vacation, and later still had no desire to go there.
@thestagesofgrief6454
@thestagesofgrief6454 3 месяца назад
Will you consider making a discord, 1984 Lore?
@grey_apache
@grey_apache 3 месяца назад
I’d throw out the theory that all three governments agree solely to fight in the disputed zones, sending their soldiers to die in pointless battles without actually endangering their core territories. Simply wasting the excess goods that could be used to better the lives of the citizenry
@lativ3715
@lativ3715 3 месяца назад
What do you think of the recent Julia novel?
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
Well, perhaps unsurprisingly I did enjoy it, but I tend to like all things 1984-related. I have a LOT to say about the novel, which I'll do through several videos. I didn't like the overall direction Newman took with Julia herself, though it's a popular fan theory, so I can see why she did. I'm not really a fan of the depiction of Winston or other characters either, but it's always going to be difficult for an author to essentially re-write a classic (even if it broadly follows the original narrative, as this novel does). It's definitely worth a read or two and I mostly enjoy how Julia's backstory is filled in more and how the world itself is plausibly built on, though it's always going to be non-canon.
@lativ3715
@lativ3715 3 месяца назад
@@nineteen-eighty-four-lore Thanks for the response, looking forward to the new videos!
@Ikaros23
@Ikaros23 3 месяца назад
«Oceania have alway’s been at war with Eurasia»
@rustyshackleford6849
@rustyshackleford6849 3 месяца назад
I’d love to see a timeline of the backstory of 1984, although most of it would be speculative
@JuliGagarin
@JuliGagarin 3 месяца назад
Another suggestion for a video, picked up from someone mentioning this under your „Britain/Airstrip 1 is the whole of Oceania“ video: How does the military work in Oceania? There is no mention of conscription, not even among the proles as far as I'm aware of. Is the propaganda that effective so there are enough volunteers?
@mado-wh4jv
@mado-wh4jv 3 месяца назад
I think it is censored, just as they censor the suicides, disappearance and other stuff
@meh1977
@meh1977 3 месяца назад
Honestly, I feel that it could be a mix of all the listed causes. Early on, efforts were made to try to weaken and invade the island, presumably in a similar manner to Germany and the issues it would have had with Sealion, but were thwarted by Oceania, or potentially the war escalated to limited nuclear war depleting both sides. By the time that Eurasia would be able to mount an operation in the area, a combination of M.A.D. and informal agreements/understandings between the parties to never severely threaten core territories. Thus they are able to keep a state of low intensity bombing and potentially some level of attempts to gain more power in the disputed territories while never seriously have any of their governments threatened by internal or external factors. These informal agreements seem likely to me, as it does explain how ministry buildings are seemingly never damaged yet other parts of the city are. It also explains why most fitting happens in the disputed territory instead of attempts to hit outlying core territories like air strip one.
@MeemingStar
@MeemingStar 3 месяца назад
To this day I still have no idea what was going on in 1984
@pyry1948
@pyry1948 3 месяца назад
Thoughts on rural areas in 1984? Off grid people etc.?
@tienshan9819
@tienshan9819 3 месяца назад
Could you do a video about Greenland and Iceland in this world? As I recall from the book, there is no information about them, but perhaps Orwell made some remarks in notes, letters, interviews and the like?
@Jasmine1991forever
@Jasmine1991forever 3 месяца назад
@@tienshan9819 Orwell was writing in 1948 when the Soviet navy was exposing weaknesses such as the Greenland and Iceland gaps. NATO was founded to help close those gaps. So we do know that Orwell had an awareness of their strategic importance. This does feed into the novel where we are told that most of the fighting between Oceania & Eurasia is in peripheral regions such as the Arctic. The Floating Fortresses are anchored off of Iceland likely to deny Eurasia access to the North Atlantic.
@tienshan9819
@tienshan9819 3 месяца назад
@@Jasmine1991forever Ahhhh I forgot about the floating fortresses! Thank you for reminding me.
@DavidMacDowellBlue
@DavidMacDowellBlue Месяц назад
I think your essential theory is correct. Eurasia (whatever it is really like) has a vested interest in not invading Airstrip One. But I'll go one stop further--I don't think it wastes any resources attacking Airstrip One. The random bomb attacks are not the work of either Eurasia nor Eastasia, but rather Oceania itself, to help keep the the population under control. I suspect such attacks happen to a lesser or greater degree all over Oceania.
@Peak_Aussieman
@Peak_Aussieman 3 месяца назад
Given the pre-war American offshoots of Fascism it's not impossible to suggest an American invasion of Britain, that at the time would have suited the Third Reich, thereby absorbing the British Empire in an American Fascist orbit. Effectively turning Oceania into the worst visions of what an American Empire would look like.
@comicalmushroom4790
@comicalmushroom4790 3 месяца назад
1984 is probably just in the British isles and it is in a state like North Korea is and the while world just ignored the islands moving on
@KPW2137
@KPW2137 3 месяца назад
Just one point relating the Unthinkable: it wouldn't end up in Allied defeat as the Soviet Union had its manpower depleted way more than the West. Then, there's the discrepancy in power projection by the Navy and the Air Arm. It doesn't mean that it would be certain victory, or that it would make much sense in the first place - only that the Allied defeat wouldn't have been a likely outcome.
@Gallalad1
@Gallalad1 3 месяца назад
I am unsure operation unthinkable would have gone as badly as people say. Yes the Soviets had a manpower advantage but they were heavily dependent on the western allies for intellegence, food and general resources, especially steal. Every time the soviets lost a tank that's a tank basically unrepeatable if American steel isnt flowing freely.
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
Yes, I think there's a saying relating to this that the war was won with British brains, Soviet blood and American brawn. I'm unsure on the outcome to be honest. Maybe a few nukes getting through could have dissuaded Stalin from keeping some of Eastern Europe under his thumb, probably not. They didn't have a bomb at that point, but I'm sure progress would have been accelerated had the US used tactical nukes. Even with their manpower advantage, I'm not sure the Soviets could hold the whole of Western Europe for long up to and including the Iberian Penisula and France.
@Gallalad1
@Gallalad1 3 месяца назад
@@nineteen-eighty-four-lore I think you're right on that assessment. In fact though it may also stand to be more evidence of why Airstrip One wouldnt have been invaded. Assuming the Soviets did somehow occupy everywhere from Lisbon to Vladivostok it would have taken immense resources to occupy all of Europe. Look at how much it cost the soviets just to maintain satellite states in Eastern Europe during our history. Now imagine a world without a Nuremberg Trial and having to occupy almost double or triple your original population after a global war. I think the idea of invading Britain would have been madness.
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
@@Gallalad1 yes it's certainly a big ask. Not only would their resources and men be stretched to (or beyond) their limits in just HOLDING what they'd have, there would also no doubt (at least early on) be attempts to liberate parts of Europe from America and elsewhere I would imagine.
@missk1697
@missk1697 3 месяца назад
Yeah that's just not how things actually were lmao
@CineSolutions
@CineSolutions 3 месяца назад
Thanks!
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
Thank you. 👍
@Archiva1-k2o
@Archiva1-k2o 3 месяца назад
My headcanon is that Latin American hasn't been fully conquered yet due to ridiculously strong partisan resistance behind the frontlines and a determined population beyond. What remains of the Free World is somewhere within the disputed areas around the Equator. They're fortunate enough to still be around because none of the superstates go all in on the offensive. Free France would be somewhere in West Africa, Free Italy in Libya, and the rest of Africa serving as a host for the governments-in-exile of various European nations. Maybe the British Raj still exists, albeit in a thoroughly Indianized version to host the British government-in-exile.
@VillagerMan2006
@VillagerMan2006 16 дней назад
I personally think that Eurasia was so focused on invading North Africa and (possibly) the Middle East to assimilate them into their territory that they ended up either forgetting or ignoring the British Islands/Britain/Airstrip One Whatever resistance, probably earlier versions of Islamic Jihadists and Rebel Groups, and eventually Eastasia made them focus their attention on weeding them out and trying to take the islands would simply be a waste of time and resources as most were busy with the aforementioned enemies
@CrunchyNorbert
@CrunchyNorbert 3 месяца назад
Naval invasions are hard
@GageisGreat12
@GageisGreat12 2 месяца назад
I think the reason territory is never claimed is quite simple really. All three superpowers, if they even exist in the way Insoc describes them as, recognize the fact that the perpetual war is beneficial to them all, it keeps their citizens subjugated and angry, busy getting angry over an enemy that has so much in common with them, they have no real reason to be at war. Since we know Eurasia and Eastasia have virtually identical political systems to Oceania, what is there really to fight over? Wouldn’t it make more sense to leave each other alone, and to tell your citizens that you’re at war to keep them dumb and angry?
@Jasmine1991forever
@Jasmine1991forever 3 месяца назад
So what's the one thing that could tear down one party rule in the 3 states? Nuclear war. So there's nuclear detente which is based on not crossing certain red lines one of which is evidently the English Channel. Another is likely to be Australia which could at least theoretically be taken by Eastasia, though Oceania's holdings in the Americas and Southern Africa are less exposed. So the British Isles and Australia are red lines that are respected to preserve nuclear detente and one party rule in the 3 super states.
@whathm9077
@whathm9077 Месяц назад
Ah yes the, "It looks better on a map, so why don't we just take them?" argument, that's not how conquests work.
@jensphiliphohmann1876
@jensphiliphohmann1876 2 месяца назад
A question: How can East Asia fire rocket bombs on London? Sometimes it's said that Oceania is at war with East Asia - do the rocket bombs stop then?
@dakrontu
@dakrontu 3 месяца назад
The secret is in the name Airstrip One. Britain during WW2 was the unsinkable aircraft carrier of the US. Literally. There are old airbases dotted around the South East of England, dating back to WW2. There are even some major bases in England still operated by the US today. Who is going to attack an unsinkable aircraft carrier, an enormous friendly territory separated from mainland Europe by over 20 miles of inhospitable sea (that happens incidentally to have the highest density of shipping in the world)? From the name Airstrip One, can one imagine that Britain in '1984' has closed all those airbases, no longer has a strategic use for them, would never attempt to use them in its own defence, would not be able to use them to launch nuclear bombers? And back in WW2 days, Britain, with its coastline over 2,000 miles long, and some major ports and rivers suited to shipbuilding, was producing a lot of the world's ships. Not so today, but it was back then.
@williamhenry8914
@williamhenry8914 3 месяца назад
The channel is not an insurmountable barrier. It can be crossed by whichever side can deploy a preponderence of force to the attempt. We know this for a fact because it happened in our world on D-Day. Therefore Eurasia must lack the necessary preponderence of force, as the Germans did in our world. However this is strange because Nazi Germany lasted barey a deacde while Eurasia the 1984 geopolitical map has lasted for hundreds of years. Since the east bank of the channel has access to far more resources than the west bank, you'd expect that at some point in these centuries the needed preponderence of force would have been achieved by Eurasia.
@charvolth
@charvolth 3 месяца назад
The interesting thing is, Spain and Portugal would be the most likely foothold to gain on Europe for Oceannia. They already have large populations of Spanish and Portuguese speaking populations. That gets around a major aspect of integrating a couple of countries based on language and broad cultural elements. They could have tried to stop the Eurasian advance at the Pyrenees. Of course holding it would be a problem. However, it would be interesting to hear about the Oceanic conquest of Central and South America and how well those regions are integrated.
@the98themperoroftheholybri33
@the98themperoroftheholybri33 3 месяца назад
The same reason Eastasia didn't invade Eurasia, or visa versa, presumably
@IrishCarney
@IrishCarney 23 дня назад
Operation Unthinkable was a lot more feasible than this video gives it credit for. The Soviets depended heavily on America for food and (strange as it sounds given Soviet oil reserves) aviation fuel. Soviet (and German) aviation gasoline was very low-octane and low-quality; while American avgas was high octane. Without that American aid, and while remaining at war, the Soviets could not have simultaneously fueled their war machine, fueled their tractors, produced fertilizer, and manned their farms. They'd have run out of fuel like the Axis, or starved.
@RomanHistoryFan476AD
@RomanHistoryFan476AD 3 месяца назад
Eurasia might not be a major naval power, if you look at it's land mass it has countless borders on land and all it's biggest likely rival nearest to it Eastasia would also be a large land power that did dapple in some naval power too. So likely just like what historical Russia did, Eurasia likely focused firstly on Land and airpower and then just enough naval forces to deter or counter any naval invasions to it's own shores. I would dare say most of Eurasia's assets are more directed towards conflicts with Eastasia their more direct enemy. I think Eurasia could take Britain: due to their sheer bulk ability of projecting so power from so many areas on one isolated target, add in the short distance between Eurasia and Britain and how long it would take any concentrated relief forces from the American part of Oceania would take to build up and then sail, but the retaliation and then holding it once the likely much larger and superior Oceania fleet arrives makes such a action not long term viable. In fact Oceania is in a very interesting position in this world, most of it's core is out of range or reach any real major strongholds of the other factions (Alaska is not the best place to support or launch an overwhelming sized invasion if your coming from Siberia Russia) well land invasion forces at least; nuclear missiles not counted. Sine Oceania is a combination of post WW2 America and Britain both who where the two dominate naval powers of WW2, likely both navies where merged later on and likely the tradition of having the strongest navy was kept, it would make sense with the Land mass controlled by Oceania as well. Add in the Nuclear threat of MAD if you invaded Britain/ Airstrip One.
@makssachs8914
@makssachs8914 3 месяца назад
Why would we want to invade a wet island where the sky is always gray, it constantly rains and the food is repulsive? Not worth the effort.
@Jasmine1991forever
@Jasmine1991forever 3 месяца назад
If Oceania wanted to invade Eurasia, the best place to do it would be Iberia. Oceania's Central and South America provinces are part of the same cultural sphere as Spain and Portugal in terms of Goldstein's theory of cultural integrity. Btw, I am not sure INGSOC in North America looks the way it does in Airstrip One. I think there are variants and in the US there's a kind of alliance between the Unions, the old military industrial complex, and the political class. These are the Inner Party in North America and they even include former CIA officials. I think also there vastly more free enterprise in North America. Latin America probably got the really screwed up INGSOC version (as bad as in Airstrip One) and Australia something in between the Airstrip One and the US variants. According to my theory, there was no 1917 style revolution in North America. What really happened is the MIC and the deep state saw they were losing the ideological struggle with Eurasia in the era of 1950s decolonization. Eurasia was also dabbling in fomenting a black uprising that risked sparking a new American civil war. And workers strikes were spreading fast in Pennsylvania, the South, Chicago. With the crisis in Europe after Kolchester, the CIA and industry brought in someone like Jimmy Hoffa to set up a ruling government of unity that would bring together everyone under one banner with INGSOC as the most obvious solution. They adopted INGSOC as a manoeuvre in this ideological battle to keep control of non-Anglo territories in South America and Africa and to maintain social cohesiveness within the US itself. In their minds, INGSOC was the moderate option, a way to preserve social peace at home and project geopolitical power abroad. All that really happened in the US was that private capitalism became state capitalism where instead of owning just industry, the elites seized control of the entire Republic. Big Brother is British and he is the dictator of Airstrip One, South Africa, and Australia but in the Americas, BB has no real power whatsoever. The British Isles underwent North Koreanization due to the nuclear war which gave ideological fanatics like Big Brother and Goldstein a headstart. They're the Khmer Rouge version of INGSOC, but in the US, it's more like Tito's far tamer version of Communism.
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
Kind of like a repeat of the Peninsular War but against Russians, as well as French and other loyal Europeans. 😆
@Jasmine1991forever
@Jasmine1991forever 3 месяца назад
Yes, it's like Napolean era. I added some more ideas come to my mind about what INGSOC looks like in North America. Happy you can see my posts now. 😊
@anthonybelmonte2934
@anthonybelmonte2934 3 месяца назад
Given that for years now India and China have been fighting a war in the Himalayas (a war Google has no problem removing any mention of, which is of course double plus good) where both sides have agreed to use no firearms, I find it quite plausible that the three super-states could tacitly agree on what lands they will fight over and what lands they will just hit with missiles.
@rebusd
@rebusd 2 месяца назад
9:14 wasn’t that Patton’s idea?
@casuallawyer0
@casuallawyer0 3 месяца назад
What were the circumstances of Eastasia's creation? It would likely have to involve the expulsion of American/Oceanian soldiers from Japan.
@scitchmunkey5587
@scitchmunkey5587 3 месяца назад
I wonder if Oceania would even attempt to defend the isles? I mean they renamed it airstrip one probably to remjve any English nationalism but its a very military name. If they where to loose it to the eurasian threat it would peobably be treated the same as the loss of a forward base in disputed territory. They dont exactly have any other choice. I guess there is always the possability that airstrip one could be anywhere since we inly have winstons word that its old london but i dont think theres reason to disbelieve him there
@billwebb9643
@billwebb9643 3 месяца назад
At 02:30, why is Vladimir Putin touring London?
@agustindotta7089
@agustindotta7089 3 месяца назад
What do you think about the critic that hakim did in the video george orwell was an horrible person
@MarkStillman
@MarkStillman 3 месяца назад
A invasion of airstrip 1 wouldn’t be as easy as the book says let alone being easy at all but Eurasia if focus on becoming better in navy then Oceania or have a better airforce would potentially do a successful takeover of the British isles and of course it wouldn’t be in a superstate best interests to conquer core territory of another superstate giving the stable structure of both superstates and invasions of core land would lead to revolutions might start in superstates if given a opportunity as it seems like There plenty of adults that would want to start a revolution or coup but they won’t try as a attempt would be futile and many probably been tortured already so a successful revolution would be out of the question but what isn’t out of the question is how much attempts does Eurasia need to do to take over the British isles probably about to 4-14 times given the navy of Oceania being stronger and probably bigger while Eurasia airforce might be bigger but isn’t definitely bigger as soon as the sparks of civil war start revolutions probably would start then but there isn’t any point of revolution in the superstates for now and in the future
@ZENmud
@ZENmud 3 месяца назад
Having a "vile Enemy" just across the "Airstrip 1 Channel" (formerly "English Channel") ~ whether a real danger or contrived perception, served another purpose I've not seen in comments. Who is going to "flee" from Airstrip 1 to "Eurasia" if brainwashed to believe deadly enemies are waiting to kill them? Thus "internal Security" costs didn't need a Border Patrol focusing on outlaw emigrants (it had other priorities). 😮😂
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore
@nineteen-eighty-four-lore 3 месяца назад
Yes, such a perception creates a mental prison that keeps the inhabitants 'in' as much as the physical enforcements of the Party. I hadn't considered that. Interesting.
@MrTrenttness
@MrTrenttness 3 месяца назад
🔥🎸🔥
@MarcanMC
@MarcanMC 3 месяца назад
The British navy strikes again
@AnthonyRusso93
@AnthonyRusso93 3 месяца назад
Real reason writer's bias of course the British Isles is invincible in a British novel.
@crazyduck156
@crazyduck156 3 месяца назад
1984 shows the British isles invincibility is... certainly a hottake
@blitzkrieg2928
@blitzkrieg2928 3 месяца назад
404 likes, conquest of Airstrip One, not found
@socratesthecomedian
@socratesthecomedian 3 месяца назад
My idea is that Air Strip One is all of Oceania. AS1 is like our world North Korea. The same reason no one invades NK, too messy & not worth it. The rest of the world probably exists like normal but nobody in AS1 really knows the same as NK residents.
@justinokraski3796
@justinokraski3796 3 месяца назад
How would the 1984 world survive with climate change and the depletion of fossil fuels? That would surely change the status quo
@sovietunion7643
@sovietunion7643 3 месяца назад
9:46 completely off topic, but an allied invasion of the USSR if it actually went through and was followed through, actually had a pretty good chance of succeeding. what people forget is that most of the eastern USSR slavic peoples REALLY did not like the soviets. even before communism russia had been brutal in repressing independence movements in these areas of eastern europe for literal centuries, and needless to say communism made this even worse. the only reason such countries as ukraine, bulgaria, kazakhstan and more didn't end up rebelling so harshly in the second world was that it ended up that the nazis were somehow even more brutal to slavic peoples they saw as undesirables. there is a reason that when the USSR fell basically every country that could broke off immediately from the central government so project unthinkable would have a rough start but once rebellion movements got started, the soviets would have to divert resources to quell the rebellions, which would give the allies more breathing room and ability to push further, which would embolden the rebel states even further. i doubt the allies would be able to push to say, moscow or anything, but they easily could neuter soviet control in eastern europe
@amongusus47825
@amongusus47825 3 месяца назад
Sperm whale
@KarolOfGutovo
@KarolOfGutovo 3 месяца назад
Eurasia is not a thing, oceania is not a thing. In fact even airstrip one isn't a thing, the entire ingsoc regime contains only what IRL is a narrow strip of countryside to a shore ;)
@Akrafena
@Akrafena 3 месяца назад
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@That_damn_possessed_guy
@That_damn_possessed_guy 3 месяца назад
I'm gonna comment so that no one can say "first" muwahahahahaaaaa
@That_damn_possessed_guy
@That_damn_possessed_guy 3 месяца назад
😈😈😈😈😈
@ernestschultz5065
@ernestschultz5065 3 месяца назад
Doggerland
@darkhobo
@darkhobo 3 месяца назад
Ask Hitler...
@user-fv5fq
@user-fv5fq Месяц назад
Possibly because Eurasia doesn't exist
@Omba820
@Omba820 3 месяца назад
Its because its britan
@MrRhombus
@MrRhombus 3 месяца назад
6:12 AI image detected Extreme disappointment
@missk1697
@missk1697 3 месяца назад
🤓
@12q8
@12q8 3 месяца назад
The riches of the US after WW2 were out of exploitation of rebuilding Europe. In the 1984 universe, Eurasia would have that responsibility of rebuilding Europe.
@Nick-zp3ub
@Nick-zp3ub 3 месяца назад
The same reason the ussr never tried to invade Britain during the 50s. Britain was under American occupation and still is today.
@nigelbaddock
@nigelbaddock 3 месяца назад
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