1993 "Magic: The Gathering" Beta Cards | Best Moment | ANTIQUES ROADSHOW | PBS 

I don't think so. Notice how she never referred to her husband in the present tense? That man is dead.

@@FerroMancer Whoooooooooooooosh

@@supremeleaderarmy9164 Is that the sound of your friends running away?

@@FerroMancer *past tense. I noticed that as well, and wondered if it was death or divorce. Edited to add: There is also the possibility that he wants them appraised because he used to play, but hasn't for years, and he sent her instead of going himself for some other reason.

Hes obviously gone. You think he would just drop the hobby after getting all those cards together?

Sounds like he doesn't play anymore... if he did there is NO WAY those cards would be sitting unsleeved in ultra pro pages.

@@rjz2 IIRC, Black Lotus was $4000 around the time of Urza block.

@@IanDunbar1 no way it was that much. I don't think they were even graded until 2002. You could pick up an unlimited lotus for around $550 in 04

@@kenjames91680 Ah, my memory must be adding a zero then.

@@IanDunbar1 in 2003-04 ish I could have picked up a complete set power of 9 unlimited for $2000. (Ever wish you could go back in time?)

Gay Rambo Don’t go there, I hear it’s wired for sound

Grove away

Pokemons next, for me 🤔 man where does time go

Just don't be ABUSIVEE to the STAFFFFF.

Yep, we are officially old. My Alpha and Beta sets will remain where they are though, not ready to sell my retirement fund just yet.

Un sleeved. Three ring binder. Idiot wife. Huuuuge I told you so waiting for her when she gets home

And thinking about her potentially carrying the binder around upside down and a card falls out. ☠

At least it isn't on the ring side where it can get a crease.

Seriously man not even double sleeved.

I don't trust myself to take the cards out, I don't have that kinda money.

i know a bit about them, but is the emerald really rarer than the other four gems? i wonder why. i thought those 5 were equally rare?

if he did, he would have had it graded, not in a binder that can add wear to it.

Even when he bought them or obtained them in the 90s he would have known that those two were the most rare without having any other indication of their future worth

He put the Power 9 all on the same page right in front. He had a plan.

The mox emerald is the second-least expensive of the moxen tho... Sapphire, Jet, and Ruby are all worth more, in that specific order. The only one that falls shorter than Emerald is the Pearl.

Just got posterized... BOOM SHACKALAKA!!!

Don’t think she quite believes it (the values he quotes) Not sure I do too

“Oh ok honey so these cards are just worthless junk? Why don’t you take them to antiques roadshow and let me know what they’re worth.”

​@@neetknight9954 I mean...the Power Nine are absolutely worth tens of thousands of dollars. Just check out a few listings on eBay... Black Lotus: www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Beta-Black-Lotus-See-scans-for-condition/313020665380?hash=item48e17c4e24:g:KTMAAOSwRrVfSA9L Mox Emerald: www.ebay.com/itm/BGS-9-MTG-Magic-the-Gathering-Signed-10-Auto-Beta-Mox-Emerald-MINT/233176055257?hash=item364a603dd9:g:zxsAAOSw18BclVt7 Ancestral Recall: www.ebay.com/itm/ANCESTRAL-RECALL-PSA-GRADED-9-01465548-Beta-LEB-Magic-MTG-MINT-CARD/383717544866?hash=item59575913a2:g:IC8AAOSwU~9fXSfJ Time Walk: www.ebay.com/itm/Time-Walk-BGS-4-5-11824078-Graded-Beta-MTG-Seattle/274318085350?hash=item3fdea1cce6:g:tRYAAOSwXMZee8jN And people absolutely pay those prices for them.

And the prices are low balled.

She was totally giving him that “u need to calm down” look, then that 75-100K price tag came slamming down on the table. Hahahahaha!

You have the absolute best read on this situation. It is truly great to see someone's bliss in this way. Knowing something about this game and the cards I would have had trouble not bursting in to tears talking to her about them.

I want to see the lead-up to the beginning of the video. If I was an appraiser and someone opened that page up in front of me, I'd definitely need a minute. Especially on camera haha.

Takes out wallet. Here’s $500 I’ll take them off your hands xD

@@LiLIrishSoutherner I know right?

I remember back when I was heavy into Magic in the early 2000s the Black Lotus was only 10 years old then and was already worth $300-$500 in some settings. If only I had dropped the cash to get a power 9 at that time (sigh). Would have cost a couple thousand.

Yes. The black lotus is a joke to her.

@@blackswanmtg I always dreamed of running into someone like her. Having all these old expensive cards and not knowing what she had. Being able to pick them up cheap. Sigh

A field!!! It's an aquatic perennial!!!

A Rhystic Studies comment with only 4 upvotes?! But let me guess: you also didn't search for this video lol

Hey, I'm really excited for whatever you've got coming up next. Take your time on it. You do incredible work.

My buddy just linked this to me and then I see a Rhystic Studies comment. Amazing.

I dont even play but learnt how valuable the Black Lotus is from your vid.

Good grandma.

Thank you grandma.

Magic grandma ♥

Blessings upon your grandmother. I gave my collection to my cousins dad whom sold em for peanutsl ike the dumbass he was, thinking he would give them to the kids as I wanted. I finally got a quarter of the old cards I had and some others in the last 10 years...and I still cannot afford unlimited shocks let alone power 9's lol IT HAPPENED! That weird stoned hippie in the card shop in 1994 was right after just one year of mtg being out.

I find good stuff there sometimes

It's vintage fam 😂

Eats supreme Oreos

Wearing BAPE, Hyped TF out over Magic cards, on Antique Roadshow. This is the content that hits 3 Generations in 1 video.

"Bape?" Is that the fat version of "Rape?"

@Jordan look up bapesta shoes theyre good looking

I highly doubt this is real. It makes no sense a set collector would have them in the binder like this. I can maybe see all the power 9 together (though usually you would have the 3 blue spells on a different page then the artifacts, since you sort by color), but why are the basic lands on the other side ? Why is there one single dual land among them ? You would either sort by alphabet or have duals together and basics together. On the other hand if you just wanna show the crown jewels, and hence have the volcanic island on the other page, why have the basics there ? This makes no sense.

@@terryfeynman They might have only owned one of the duals. Those basics are in alphabetical order by the way, so it's possible the binder went Power 9 -> lands -> color wheel, or some other thing. Also, Antiques Roadshow is on PBS, not the History Channel, they don't DO fakes. FWIW, I think the fact that those cards aren't double-sleeved is pretty good indication that she's telling the truth. I feel like if someone knew enough to get high quality fakes in this day and age, they'd know enough to make it look like they were taking effort to protect said cards, not store them in loose pages stored in a binder you got for $6 at Office Max.

@@ccggenius I believe you are right. Plus there was clearly another page before the power 9s, probably in a pathetic attempt to protect those cards, assuming the truth was told and they have been sitting in a box for the last 25+ years. o>O

Honestly if he really cracked those from packs they might have gotten bindered in the 90s and left that way since then. Back then we absolutely kept sets in binders. People who transitioned over from baseball cards might not be super organized and would have a binder that looked like this, just artifacts together, lands together, valuable/trade bait cards together etc. and not really organized any deeper than that. People knew what the power 9 was but that whole page would have been worth like $100 back then. I didn't start until revised and even that late I remember seeing moxes in shop cases for $20-30 each. I know people who kept all the duals and everything in binders, and when they got multiples they'd keep playsets all in one pocket together. This power 9 page wouldn't have been a real big deal. We all thought they were going to end up like baseball cards or pogs or beanie babies in the long run so it was just having fun for however long it lasted. But yeah this binder absolutely rings true to me. Even the wear on the cards is legitimate play wear, somebody shuffled these up and played a hundred games with them. Counterfeiters don't do that.

Also there's 10 dual lands and 9 pockets per page. If you have all 10 you always have 1 left over that you have to just stick somewhere or give it its own page or something. Volcanic island is the last one alphabetically so was a common choice to be the odd one out. I'd guess he had dual lands up front to protect the power 9 because duals were like $4-5, or maybe just put them there so people wanting to trade would see them first because they were highly traded. Then power 9, then had one dual left over and instead of wasting the page just started up the rest of the other lands in the set.

He is probably dead. Only from his cold, dead hands...

@@testthewest123 Stop being so negative.

@@wafflegamer2647 I mean, the way she talked about him in the past tense, I assumed he was dead too

@@wafflegamer2647 Yes, not being negative but it was all past tense and not a hint of "he'll be happy to hear...". Plus, if you look at her surprised smiles and responses, there is a slight sense of sadness.

I guess he doesn't want to see his cards being sold. It seems like those were important for him given how much care he had for the cards.

She definitely doesn’t believe him😂😂 skepticism all over her face.. I just don’t think she can comprehend that someone would actually buy a card with ink on it for $15,000. Females will never understand 😂

@@JohnFKennedy420 That's kinda sexist. In my local group we have some girls who play just as enthusiastically as the guys.

@@FallenPhoenix72 Never underestimate the power of misogyny. It's pretty sad, that comment was fine until they decided to throw out a dehumanizing sexist claim.

Of course, she believes him, she just knows how much it is worth already so her reaction is underwhelming. You think this woman's husband hasn't already calculated its worth?

@@sirdigbychickencaesar9482 real answer right here

I know I bet it took everything in that guy to not be like IL give you a thousand for all of them

@MyGun4hire i dont think so, if the owner of those cards knew the current value of them, they would def. not still be in that binder. i remember in 1995 the mox set was a couple hundred bucks at my local shop and i was like no way, who would pay that... if i only knew

@@corrob Sounds about right. In 1995 I saw the moxes and lotus and each was individually no more than 30-50. Times like this...wish I had a time machine lol

And by "smile" you mean boner.

I woulda been like, “I’m gonna grant you a once in a life time offer of $1500 for the whole set.”

Yes, or he's an exceptionally good script reader.

@Jagar Tharn Uhhh, ever played cEDH?

Jagar Tharn you have never played against atog

He does not know magic that well. He makes the claim that there are no dual lands in alpha. Not true. Duals were printed from Alpha through revised.

@@ook222 Volcanic Island wasn't in alpha, the rest were though.

A friend of mine has several black lotus cards. He told me they are valuable but I didnt know how valuable

@@VenEm a lot. the ones in this vid are not even the most expensive. the Alpha set is. also graded lotus can be worth more than all the cards in this video.

you probably, like me, played with the revised white border cards.

Google Oldschool magic 93/94 and look at our deck pics . I have about 400 real life friends and all of us come packing black lotus and the other power 9. Want to play for ante ??

Lies

That's the cue for your "Yeah, let me buy those..." xD

Literally went, "Uhhhh. M'am."

I reached for my cheque book.

I actually teared up a little, lmao.

Not after this she won't lol.

Well, no. That's why she went to a professional grader and not to a yard sale. you're just mad.

Are first edition Spidermans worth anything though? I mean I've got 3 sitting in a bookcase and last time I checked I was only offered like $15 for them.

You wouldn't be honest and tell her what she actually has?

Ronnie Bulaong alpha investments reference haha

He would have told her that those cards were junk and they would end up COSTING her to get rid of them...

no. he's gonna rip her off.

RUDY!!! From alpha investments here and today. And so on

"How much do you think these are worth?" "Couple hundred dollars?" "I'll give you $250 for the set, and that's risky for me."

Hah. To me its just too spread out perfectly and placed to be a legit "not for tv" segment.

I knew I would find a Rudy reference in here. :D

Video seemed to be 5 minutes 19 seconds too short for talking about magic

@@AlphaCitizen Rudy detected

I assume you don't have the memory of roughly shuffling these cards on pizza grease covered tables then just throwing an elastic around the deck and tossing it in a backpack to scrounge up 3 bucks so you can maybe if you're lucky get a Shivan Dragon and not some stupid artifact mana trash.

Further more throwing away all the alpha cards you havw because its cheating to play with weird cut cards,

I don't even play MTG, and I freaked out when I saw the Black Lotus.

Hi Tim! I think it's a bit low for the condition of that set :)

this was probably filmed back when this set was originally worth that much before they spiked in value and it's only just not being put on youtube.

And if you look closely its a complete PLAYSET !! of EACH!!

al dorn uh, no?

@@aladorngm no it is not, you can simply see the cards on the other page of the binder.

Jesse H. The terrible new trend

I'm revoking his man card.

So does his hair

He’s handsome asf bruv

Jesse H. 😂😂😂😂

anyone who plays with trading cards deserves to get beaten up, including sports cards

@@ongobongo8333 wow what a badass, im sure you are well adjusted and your parents didnt beat you and the reason you jump to violence is not because you have been scared by those events.

@@ongobongo8333 dongo smallngo

I was just thinking how cartoonish just how solidly filled in it is

I mean this is a cartoon show

Seneca Crane

Looks like?

It’s all I could look at. Epic facial hair

The way he was getting excited, I feel he is a huge fan of the game

these shows are always scripted out, the person brings in the stuff off camera and then they do some prep work before cameras ever turn on

Somewhat. I'd argue what he said is pretty common knowledge but I could be wrong. I've played the game for 20 years so I have no idea if new players know that stuff or not - even though it seems like it's common knowledge. I find it interesting that they didn't mention the reason why Volcanic Island was not in Alpha was a printing error. You also get fun stuff like Cyclopean Tomb not having a mana cost in Alpha as well.

Antiques Roadshow has experts in dozens of areas. This was probably their trading card expert.

One error I caught was that he said the point is to bring your opponents life points to 0. Actually, the point is to win the game and several mill players would say life total its irrelevant.

Stay the course

to rip her off

Holy floppy taco.

*Open Boosters has joined the chat.

Give her $5500 and a shipping label.

Revised dual lands are still worth a decent amount, especially considering you could buy them for $5 back in the day.

I feel your pain. I also started during Revised and only played through Ice Age / Alliances.

@@frocat5163 Those are still awesome cards. They would be really fun to cube draft.

Could be worse, I had most of the Alpha cards, a set of Beta a bunch of loose beta and almost a full set of Unlimited along with a fair amount of Arabian Nights, Antiquities and Legends that I sold for 850$ in 1995. Oopps

What up, fellow “started in Revised” buddy

thats what I have been doing since 2010

Don’t put them in binders individual sleeve and top loaders is the only way to go.

@@VinL82 pro tip

Yeah...no current MTG set produced in the last 10 - 15 years will ever come anywhere near as valuable as those Beta cards. A complete set of cards produced in the 2010s might be worth a few thousand dollars in the 2030s or 2040s, but that's about it. Trying to hoard things like this, expecting them to become valuable in 30 years because the originals did is like people starting to "collect" comic books in the 1990s because they saw the amount of money people were paying for things like _Amazing Fantasy #15,_ or _Detective Comics #27._

@@frocat5163 Maybe. But if it does, guess who will be laughing.

An appraiser on AR? Looking at objects you're passionate about all day? Not a bad gig!

I think she is just one of those typical women that undervalue their menfolk and their hobbies and lives, and she finally went to ARS and got a wonderful taste of reality. I really hope he did not pass, because she has no idea what those could be worth with slabbing. I wanted to die at her unawareness.

That's my wife with my comics until she learned how much they're worth

Most likely he died and she's trying to sell off some of his stuff to pay for the funeral expenses. Maybe cover any outstanding debts that have been passed into her. Everyone is so quick to be hateful here but I can see none of you know what it's like to live in the real world.

And now you are quick to hating too

He committed suicide from all the nagging she gave him about collecting toys, cards and comics.

better be a floppy taco or no deal

Look at this guy staying the course.

If you pay for it upfront, that’ll definitely put two kids through school. I know doctors who went through med school and came out with less than 50K debt

​@@RikelWirkkunen Maybe fourty years ago it would have been enough, but $100,000 is not even remotely enough now. "Tuition for the 2019-2020 school year is $57,642, while room and board on-campus costs roughly $17,004 per year." Source: collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/cost-aid

One kid, at a public in-state college. Definitely not private, and definitely not coverage on campus housing in many states.

Oh yeah school in America costs way more, it literally cost my friend 35,000 to go through med school here in Canada just 2 years ago. And since that’s CAD, it would cost Americans less lol

@@shaunmcisaac782 personally for me, I'd probably just hunker down, take fewer classes per year while working a job to keep up with the costs, and graduate later

let's play this game. quarantine is driving me crazy. Rudy who? Rudy talking about? Rudy you asking? Rudy yo mamma? what is the joke?

@@seijibaka One of, if not the largest, youtubers around magic currently. Owns his own shop and makes quality magic videos.

His Taco got hard quick!!!!

Emotional Pug you forgot to mention he’s a weirdo too.

Long live Rudy and his giant hairy phyrexian party pack tacos.

Hughes Enterprises its the new look and its weird.

Probably has matching chest and back hair to boot.

He's a big fan of Hollywood Hulk Hogan...

@@margaretsen7479 ------ that's what people think of you Margie!

I feel like Dan Bilzerians is more lame how he sculpts it to purposely make his face look more chiseled.

You can't actually play them and I can't imagine a normal person would want to go against the Power 9 in casual play. Might as well make that paper.

@@AllfatherBlack they have actually increased in value as a collectible in recent years as well as I think there is still one format.

@@AllfatherBlack I mean, I play ancestral in highlander, p9 has a decent amount of demand for niche formats.

Jacob - your words disgust me

I sense that he died from the way she talks and responds with never a full smile.

Imagine the alpha set!

Nah, let's do a close up of basic lands like, 15 times!

@@FatalPapercutz These shows for the lowest common denominator are often disappointing :( I mean, he said that people would "summon spells" and "drain life" out of each other, but almost all he showed was mana sources

If you listened closely he said it's the whole beta set. You can Google the cards man.

@@FatalPapercutz At what point did they close up on basic lands? Those are all original dual lands lmfao

@@maddeeps5520 There was a close up of basic forests at one point. But even Beta basics are worth a lot.

100% what happened

@@supernoodles908 No, he is dead. She only talks about him in the past tense, doesn't make any mention of telling him about the cards or confronting/congratulating him. How dense are you people? Why would he tell his wife to take the power 9 to the road show? If he did send her on some kind of errand like that she would have mentioned it.

🤣

Plenty of magic. it's the "gathering" part that's rare atm .;-)

And lisp

@Anonymous man you killed me with this comment LMAO

They used to call that the Gay Nazi look.

She was banging him xD

Dude, that artwork is probably worth so much now. Obviously I’m sure she’d still like to keep it, but I’d get it appraised for insurance

@@samwilson188 Yeah, it'd be neat to know. I think it's all signed, too.

He actually had mistakes in there, for example unlimited was despite it´s name anything but unlimited. It is estimated we have about 3-3.5 k of each beta rare and about 17.5k of each unlimited one. So there is only about 6 times as many unlimited cards as there is beta cards. Also the way the cards are sorted in the binder makes me highly suspicious this was done to present them for the show. No set collector would sort his cards that way, it makes no sense.

@@terryfeynman oh sure, I was certain the unlimited info was overstated as well. And yeah, they may have, but frankly, who cares if they did reorganize the cards?

Sometimes, just pausing and miming that your head is exploding is the best way to get across the import of what you're about to say 😂😂

A foil 1st edition grade 10 charizard sold for $250k within the last year

True. Remember that many expensive paintings are just paint on canvas.

It's just scarcity. These cards can never be reprinted, and there are only so many in existence. The price is simply whatever the richest interested party is willing to pay. It only takes one fan with an 8 figure bank balance and bingo, $100k is really not a big thing at that level.

@@Redskies453I agree with the scarcity and the subjectiveness of the value. However, I think these cards can be reprinted but obviously the first cards would have some valuable traits compared to their reprints such as their originality and physical features that only those cards would possess. The reprints would have value as well; just not as much. Take holographic "Charizard" cards for example from Pokemon TCG base set and "XY Evolutions" set. The reprint from "XY Evolutions" has considerable value given the right condition and print (google shopping). Will they be reprinted is unknown. Thank you for taking the time to read.

@@garcia-buckner7702 There is a legal issue with reprinting some cards. The publisher has stated that they will not reprint any of the cards on their "reserved list" and there is a legal argument with precedent that this constitutes a passive contract with current owners of the cards to protect the value of the cards. If they were to reprint those specific cards they may be liable to compensate collectors for the loss in value.

What I really love about antiques appraisers in general is just how knowledgeable they are! I honestly believe that appraisers have some of the best memories among people. They recall so much information so fast.

I bet he is their geek culture guy.

It was the only guy they could find who knew mtg

yea but for example the time walk looks gradable from what I can tell from here.

MTG could have been the next beanie babies there was no way of knowing card games would be popular to that degree. You made the right decision with the info you had at the time.

Hindsight is a bitch. If you could have known the future, you also could have also spent that $2700 on $0.50 apple stock in 1993 and it'd be worth $718k today.

they probably looked and appraised everything beforehand

Ouch.

Laughing in free college fees in Germany

@@autopepithesi You get what you pay for. Highest rated German university is 32 on the Times Higher Education list.

Same with a Black Lotus (unlimited) around 2008 for maybe 900-1000. I had spare cash. I said "nah, I'm buying video games instead". Not a bad idea either, but man, I would have 5x my investment at least. :-\

i sold beta P9 for 5k... off

@@pelletier1986 The Black Lotus was going for $80 when I started playing. Moxes were around $40-50. I was scraping together money just to be able to play Magic back then, so dropping $40-80 at once wouldn't have happen. Still, it makes me wish I'd have had the disposable income to have bought the rarer cards back then.

@@VaultBoy13 i bought a Dan Marino rookie card for 120$ instead of the Alpha Lotus, i think i then traded the Marino for an Emmit Smith and Troy Aikman rookie

yeah he is 100% dead

Welcome to the modern age. As I have grown, its things like this and what I have seen of relationships and marriages that makes me never trust women let alone want to get married. I am sure thats one of the factors for 10s of millions of other menfolk the world over too. T.T the 2020s were foretold to be a dark time.

I have heard legends that (in some states, at least) anything you own before marriage is still yours post-divorce, unless you 1- merged it into spousal property (ex, family bank account, let the wife drive your car to work, etc etc) or 2- don't argue and just let them take it. Not a lawyer, definitely ask one if you have old trading cards and an impending divorce.

@Markus LaCrosse you sound like an absolute joy to be around

@Markus LaCrosse 100% soooo true!

Probably dead

for me its the shirt with the face on

I felt like dying...*sighs * All these young women saying they are gamers and into tcg nowadays, yet many of them are about the same age as this lady. WTF?! lol

That was my exact reaction. I saw the power nine and though "Jesus. thats 5 figures there for sure" and she said 'a coulple hundred.." lulz.