2 cm Flak 30/38 - In The Movies 

Umm… what? It sounds terribly out of place.

@@singleproppilot how?

@@thenetnewb when he was in battle during ww2 he knows sounds belong and don't belong

Watch “The captain” in my opinion it is used in a far more brutal way than saving private Ryan

Crank gun from bio shock infinite sounds pretty nasty.

People always arm-chair general such scenes and they forget the average soldier in such intense combat as this is lucky to be able to remember their own name let alone spot every threat outside the giant Tiger tank right in front of them.

Yup I’m not going to act like I know war but, I know I’m airsoft keeping track of where your teammates are and even remembering the geography is crazy hard for me as a civ. Also gives you an understanding of how a flank can end it all in the right circumstances.

Not to mention its effect on speech.

@@N238E and long term stuff....PTSD ,Anxiety ,Depression...my privilege to have worked with many Vets...peace and love from the wirral peninsula

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq your translation of abwehr as defense sounds wrong to me, as a german I'd say repellent is more accurate afterall flaks dont defend planes

absolutely, because, imediatley as he said in red tails the fighter pilot adjustet his tactics and attacked from the front i went, that´s why there where 2 flatbed railcars in front of the lokomotive, the first with sandbacks and rail-repair equipment (partisans layed mines to destroy locomotives and blow up a railcar full of sand and five meters of track, guess where is the exact place where the repair equipment had "unloaded" itself from the railcar and had just to be laid to repair the track) and in the 2nd there was one or two 2cm Flak´s to protect the locomotive, sometimes there were additional infantry with machineguns for counter-partisan and or AA purpuoses. but it´s a very nicely made video, thank you very much Johnny

I agree. The average person wouldn't notice these details, but when I see weapon errors in films, it puts me off.

wait but isn't minengeschoß a self destroying ammo?

@@djyppo Minengeschoss is Just a different Name vor high explosive Impact fused round. But what is meant Here is, that they only detonate on Impact, hence Not those smoke Puffs shown, those are Timed fuse rounds, which had to be fused correct before firing. I also believe, that 2cm rounds had a self destruct mechanism, because it is bad Form If after shoting several Impact Fuse explosive bullets come back down, but it is end of flight time self destruct, Not time delayed fusing for precise proximiti Detonation.

@@taktikbegeistert8506 Mostly the "Minengeschoss" had a end of trace self destruction. Sometimes mechanically, sometimes theay used the tracer for this.

Thanks for the positive feedback Aren. Helps to know what people are looking for.

Yep...totally agree

"You should be more like Dimitri...he understands the meaning of a mercy kill."

@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 Chernov! Why am I not hearing gunshot?

@@crowscare9230 "There is no point Sergeant, they're already bleeding to death..."

Back in the day I was shocked & impressed by the movie in general, but the 20mm was one of the brutal highlights, always understood war is hell, but wasn't used to kinda see this in a movie

There's no mercy, they're still a life enemy, your job kill him.

Thank ya kindly! Appreciate the feedback

Seconded

except for one...lol

That's a very cool experience! Thanks for sharing I am sincerely jealous.

I fired a Lahti L-39 20mm anti tank rifle once. It was interesting to see that the home reloads were using M55 Vulcan target practice projectiles that had their turning bands cut down to a smaller diameter in a lathe. The case was the same belted kind as used in the Flak 38.

That's still really cool though if true

I shot a ZU-23-2 when doing my conscription in the Finnish defense forces in the early 90:s. Similar range (2.2 km) but a bigger projectile and about four times the rate of fire at 2x1000 rpm theoretical and, as it used 50 round quick-change (pull the empty out and shove a full one in, almost like changing a rifle magazine but much heavier of couse) ammo cans, also much higher in practice, used for same kind of roles, close range anti-aircraft defense and ground support, often set up on the bed of an all-terrain truck.

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Absolutely. It's on my list and I'm looking forward to that one.

As we geman people are known for pedantry, it is Kübelwagen. The Ää, Üü, Öö are not just fun and a substantive is allways written with a ,great' letter . :-)

@@brittakriep2938 Ok 😆

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq -and the Schwimmwagen, someone should relaunch them redone with fiberglass chassis and modern motor as an expeditionary/survival vehicle...

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq could you also do the Kar98k please :)

Had guns aimed at me in civilian and the military. Let me be honest didn't like it either way.

Same here, I rewatch it probably two or three times a year. Probably the best piece of WW2 media imho.

@@RusskiBlusski i would love to see one from the german perspective tho, wehrmacht also had brotherhood and camaraderie i'd think

@@WindflowPattern watch unsere Mutter, unsere Vater, or Generation War

@@vilhelmvilhelm2335 that was interesting...check out the Keeper, about Bert Trautman,a one time German paratrooper ,POW, and award winning Goalkeeper for Manchester city...slainte....E

@@WindflowPattern Sven Hassel,a books are worth a look, he was Danish...

The Germans did have special AP ammunition to the Mg42 which could penetrate scout vehicles and halftracks, but it worn out the barrel at a fast rate.

Thanks for adding some info Gary. I'd love to see a remake of 633 one day. Mosquito is one of my favorite aircraft.

Where i live in west Germany in the last weeks of war the fighting was still going on but the Wehrmacht hadn't enough Ammo and Fuel left so they take everything they had. A few soldiers build 2 20mm MG151 on a half track and used at against the Americans troops. In the last days of war a few hundred man still died here. My house is also not far from the old Feuerleitstand (dont know the English translation) the war left his marks everywhere.

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq The Mozzie is something that folks always overlook for "muh B-17, muh P-51, Muh Spitfire, Muh P-47", and nobody ever realizes that something like the Mosquito was one of those aircraft that you just can't ignore, especially since you can't easily catch them if the pilot knows what they're doing!

The Mosquito and the Beaufighter...brilliant planes..privileged to see one of the surviving Mosquitoes here in the UK...

@@chrisfrank1860 Feuerleitstand = fire control tower :)

Well I certainly appreciate the added info 🙏

Many thanks for sharing your knowlege!

np@@JimmyParksDCLXVI

Thanks man! I appreciate the consistent feedback. I'll keep trying to toss in some obscure movies for ya

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Thank you for that, and thank you for the well-researched and very well-presented videos. I appreciate the work you put into them.

Excellent point that certainly could be the case

hey at least you are caught up! I'm spending lots of hours these days learning about these classics for the first time :)

Red Tails is easily one of the most embarrassingly FARBY WWII movies ever made.

Thanks man!

It's funny you say that. Don't claim to be an expert in anyway but the tactics of the Germans in the climactic battle of Private Ryan made no sense to me. They just seemed like they came right at the Americans begging to be shot. It made the movie less enjoyable for me.

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haha thanks Zilla. :)

Thank you and good night...

Yah exactly. I'm sure it depended on what the train was moving and the likelihood of attack in the area.

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq yeah true

But if it was important freight trains, they would of most likely been camouflaged, or ran in the night time

Or disguise it as a regular freight train to trick allied planes

The 1964 film The Train, shows a great description of this

thanks for the kind words!

It bothers me that the casings that were ejected still had projectiles attached. Movie error.

Checking a video I found a PZ IV, Stürmgeschutz III, Kübelwagen, Schwimmwagen, T34-76, T34-85, Willy's Jeep, probably an American lend-lease truck, but no (fake) Panther. The movie uses many authentic weapons too, both Russian and German. I'll have to look further for that Panther. Edit : found the Panther. It's immobile in a defensive position, only the turret and part of the hull are visible. Could be a real one but not running or just a part of the tank.

Thanks for expanding on this! Will have to do a video on u-boats one day

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq and maybe the Royal Canadian navy and Royal navy, in particular Johnny Walker, there are plans to expand the war rooms in the Western Approaches in Liverpool..

The U-Boat's best defense against aircraft was diving, and the extra AA mounts made diving slower, and slowed the U-Boats speed underwater. Once the Mark 24 "mine" (an acoustic homing torpedo called a mine for security reasons) became available, though, even diving was no protection against air attack.

In fact, Allied aircrew were under strict orders to drop the Mk 24 (nicknamed Fido for obvious reasons) only AFTER the sub had dived, so as to prevent the Germans from finding out that the Allies had developed an air dropped acoustic homing torpedo.

... talked to a* German* vet ...

Oh so he’s a nazi. Lol should be in jail for war crimes.

@@einundsiebenziger5488 Yes, that is what he said.

@@Paid2Win But didn't write ...😉.

@@einundsiebenziger5488 not every German soldier was a nazi

Especially given they were Panzer Grenadiers too. However, there was. They were being carried in the initial approach behind the Tiger before being ambushed by the mines and the two .30 cal machine guns. Beyond that, however, well I guess the action was fast, fluid and displaced, owing to Captain Miller’s defence tactics. They played right into his trap, so it probably wouldn’t have mattered given 1. It was close and brutal fighting almost immediately, and 2. The American troops were so few, spread out into small groups or teams, how effective would they have actually been?

Sorry, 2nd SS not Panzer Grenadiers. Just re-watched the film. There were a number of MG’s seen and used throughout the final battle at least.

I haven't seen Les Uns et les Autres, I'll have to check it out :)

These long compound words are a bit tricky for me but I try my best 🙏

Looking forward to Llanfair PG ( shortened version) in Anglesey...go on give it a go...

おい！😢

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Thanks man love getting this kind of feedback! 🤎

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq You're very welcome. It's also very decent of you to reply to comments on videos that you uploaded years ago. Have a good one! 😃

Tank Brigade is a Czech/Soviet film. It has some great authentic armor and weaponry you won't see many other places. And thanks for adding some clarification on that! German nomenclature can be rather confusing.

What did that do on paper?

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Have you never seen Band of Brothers?

Easily one of my all time favorite war movies

Thanks Josiah! I like to lighten the mood here and there in my videos.

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq I'm watching "My Way" right now cause of this video. A damn good movie!

@@Joze1090 absolutely!

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq a cheerful romp through the murder and madness

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq But then in another clip, you put the BoB name in. 🤔

That's good film. Dang wish I would have added that now.

Eventually! So few real 88s in movies but I should be able to slap something together :)

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq maybe North Africa and Normandy clips...and the Canadian army in Italy...the famed D Day Dodgers.. the old LiLi Marlene song...

its just for visual effect, otherwise you just see the plane fly by...

@@MrPatrickpiet It makes it look super unrealistic imo. If they dumped a full historical 10 round mag in the general direction of the aircraft the visuel effect would be even better. That would scare any pilot.

@@MrPatrickpiet i forgot to mention that the rounds it fired all featured tracers, so they would all be visible.

lol well I should hope everyone does!

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I’ve found other rare footages of this gun (and the flakvierling as well) included a very rare colored footage of one firing from a mountain slope in Italy, and others mounted on many types of vehicles, armored and not.

Well where were you when I was making this video :)

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"Atlantic Wall "(French: "Le Mur de l'Atlantique" - 1970) is the is a worthy sequel to "La Grande Vadrouille"

Very very funny movie not to be overlooked

Definitely underrated and really does not hold back in brutality.......

@@BHuang92 It really doesn't, that one scene with the Flak gun being used as an execution weapon is just bonkers

That execution scene is based on real accounts as well. Bit too graphic for me to show the whole scene but I encourage people to watch it for sure.

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq It's crazy everything he did at such a young age, I think he was 19, nearly 20 when he started the executions at the camp if I'm not mistaken.

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq amazing quick transition from loser to mass killer....yes disturbs me...happens everywhere,

Hudson is that east or western mass

Thanks Texas Red!

That number doesnt mean anything without context though. The 20mm has of course a higher hit rate in its usage against low flying aircraft at a distance of maybe 1km then an 88mm AA cannon that is used against high altitude bombers that might be 6km away. The hit rate of the 88 wasnt at all "abysmal" or "mostly a noise maker" while looking how and against what it was used.

@@l.h.9747 If you look just at the number of shells fired vs planes downed, the success rate of the 88 was negligible! However, they did understand that it forced the bombers to change their tactics and greatly reduce their ability to do damage.

@@edi9892 it wasnt neglible it was just how high the hit rate is going to be when trying to hit a moving high altitude target with ww2 weapons and targeting systems. For example a 10% hitrate for a machinegun is more then enough whereas a 10% hitrate for a sniper would be horrible so to look at just hitrates without taking the weapon and how it is used into account is useless. The achieved hitrate of the 88mm AA wasnt "abismal" or anything it just was how its gonna be and when a bomber gets hit by shrapnel from 5 different shells as is likely in formation flying and with many 88 guns being stationed to defend something (as they where used not just as single independent guns) that hitrate is enough to damage many bombers and destroy some and you can shoot a shitton till the recources the AA is using are greater then the recources of the destroyed enemy planes.

I will definitely expand on Cold War in the near future! Hopefully in the next week or two.

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Awesome! Great to know! Looking Forward to it, my Friend!

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq predicted response from Clabby Towers...FN rifle, Mrs C,s Sterling ( which you have covered) The APC,s are worth a look...Mrs C reckoned they were easier to drive than our family saloon...The cold war tanks are fascinating as well as the two Gulf wars. Cheers/slainte..E..

@@eamonnclabby7067 FN is getting close to the top of my list. Looking forward to that one.

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq heck of a kick/ recoil..look forward to seeing that...just rewatched Tumbledown.

Wouldnt realy say that since the germans had their own military doctrine around light and mobile mgs (mg42, mg34) where a heavy mg might have not been usefull enough to develope a new weapon and start a new production line.

The role of the M2 and DshK was mostly filled by MG34 and MG42 on the very complex and very capabel tripod (Feldlafette). That think (still in use in the 1980s west german army) is a work of art including a periscope and a swivel system ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g4nW38sKqy4.html

Hey well many thanks to you and your family. Love to hear some positive stories of beating the odds like this. Thanks for the feedback too 🙏

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqYou are wellcome sir. My grandfather in Europe took the Queen Mary to Europe( pictures) Survived Normandy.l landing. Made it to France( I have a 2 franc note) survived the Battle of the Buldge in the black cat tank batallion( still have his iniform patch). I can back all that up. As the eldest grandson, all given to me. As what given to me by my Cherokee great grandfather. We integrated with whites in America. As well as my Polish and German ancestors. They took Cherokee wives early in the 1800s. My great grandfather, at my first birthday party. He was born in the mid 1800s. Died when I was 10. But he taught me alot, in a few years. He sat on the back on convertibles. In full regalia, at the end of his life. But what he taught me, saved my life. Fishing, hunting(buy gun, arrow, knife, metal trap, and snare), making fire, planting food(my garden is enormous now), showing me how to help others( I donate millions of pounds of food), and saving any in medical distress( lots of humans ) Lot's of people do not understand helping an animal, and collecting an animal. Most Americans do not understand. Most of you. Came and born in America. Lots of us, first Americans. Just not in your vocabulary. Only ours. Try talking to us in our language. You have never tried to learn. But we will vote.👍👍 No matter how hard you make it. I would suggest all others do the same. Republicans just want to win a place. They do not care what anything we need fixed. Missing persons need found, our justice given by our own law, solving murders or health care for us. Some of us ride horses to vote? It is time to call GOP republicans out. Not our representatives in the Congress. Killing our votes with remapping and restricting us. Flood the supreme court. Our right for real original American agreed to rights. By our invaders, for our territory claims. As agreed. By treaty. Republicans or Democrats, you cannot abridge signed treaties. You lose. Legally. Your agreement. Man up America.

I try my best. I've visited a couple times now. Very friendly people. 🙏

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Jurgen Klopp is a very nice man...

I know plenty of locals who can barely speak the Queen's English...mind you she is part German..and Scottish....the Queen Mother who was Scottish never forgave the losses of WW1 including her brothers

@@eamonnclabby7067 Hey my friend! I try to avoid the translator. Just to push my English a bit... Thank you my friend, never heard, that she is of Scottish origin. I really like the tradition with those flowers wearing on the trousers. Also the tradition at Ypern is really impressing. The Monuments in London regarding WWI are beautiful - you can really feal the impact of the 'Great War' on the. British society. A. Harris is another story - i live in Hamburg... Right now, I'm really pround of our British and American (Haha, French?) allies. We Germans could barely withstand an attack from Luxenburg or Lichtenstein. Maybe there's some time left to turn the tide! Have a lovely week. Best s

@@stefanebert7171 the FAB 4 learned their trade in Hamburg...I remember a certain Kevin Keegan playing for Hamburg....Liverpool and Tranmere Rovers have a large number of fans who come from Scandinavia and Germany...as regards the war to end all wars yes you are spot on....The Flowers of the Fallen by Davey Arthur and the Fureys ,is probably the best lament ever...peace and love from the wirral peninsula..E

Thank you very much!

Thanks Carl much appreciated !

Is that the same German army with rusty equipment...by the way the Commando comics clearly have had a positive effect on you...

@@eamonnclabby7067 ???? Are you nuts ?

@@eamonnclabby7067 No. That is the CURRENT german army. The one that had FK-20 and FK-20-2 was the Cold War german army. They look similar but they are different troops. But the new german army has detailed plans how to combine being a tank driver and a nursing mother

Lol 99 attempts.. and that was the best one...

@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq you tried your best lol

Ok?

Germans say 2cm

No you are wrong, German designations were in cm not mm, so 2cm rather than 20mm.

I got you! Welcome to the channel

"Tea for 2"

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