That pretty much sums up our cultural Christianity. I think they both represent what most patriotic Americans believe, a faith that exists, but isn't practical. As if their God was a genie, Santa, or a wishing upon a star God who understands their hearts and knows deep down inside that they are good people. Meditating on God's Word day and night yields different results, though.
This vid is a case study in vague western spiritualism mixed with "dogmatic agnosticism". Its difficult to listen to for those who are zealous for Christ, but its good to know what people's opinions are in order to be a better witness. Thanks, Pastor Doug for your critique - on point.
I had an old timer tell me at an AA meeting that people mistake sobriety with salvation. That is what I hear Theo saying, is that the "process" is god.
i love Theo. it seems like his heart is not completely hardened like an angry atheist, hes just lost in idolatry. we need to pray for both of them, that they come to Christ and see the true and living God
Humility used to mean rejecting your own self-adequacy and recognizing dependence on the Lord, now we've secularized it to merely include the rejecting of self-adequacy, which makes it synonymous with relativism, the epistemology of secularism.
Hi. I've seen Jim Gaffigan in concert. He's very funny and very clean and I've always appreciated that. Having said that, he is a huge defender of his fellow "catholic", Biden and has been hateful and judgmental towards conservatives. His wife is the truly religious one in the family
Good response video here. These two are big name comics, especially Gaffigan who claims to be catholic. They are in many ways representative of millions of American's who see themselves as "good people" but have no desire to really stand on foundational Truth when it costs something.
The breakdown of the 3 types of agnostics was helpful. I subscribe to Canon+ and am on it every day . But I also subscribe to all of your RU-vid channels as well. I like being able to comment and show my thankfulness for all that y’all are doing in the name of Our Lord up north! Thank you from Breaux Bridge, Louisiana!
I love how he says you have to be humble by being in the "I don't know" space because everyone that came before him is absolutely wrong ... so ... not only does he know that everyone else is wrong, not at all removing himself from his own "I don't know" space with that absolute knowledge, but he's also just humble enough to firmly assert that everyone else is wrong. or... something like that.
I love the guy who criticizes the ego of humanity just before he claims that he has figured it all out himself. Then he claims that every previous generation of humans were fools to think they have it figured out, except for him, he really does have it actually figured out. You can tell this guy has never read back any of the words he says.
This is the second clip I've seen of Gaffagan trying to have a deep conversation, now I'm pretty sure that he doesn't have more than the most surface level understanding of anything. Even in his comedy; most observational type comics at least hint at a deeper understanding of what's going on, but his observations couldn't be more superficial.
Theo is sometimes on a comedic level of genius that is so profound, I have doubted how intentional it even is. That said, I can tell he is a tortured soul. Like really tortured. Tortured by his history, by sexuality, by not being able to relate entirely to the godless Joe Rogan crowd/space he so often occupies. Yet I can tell his heart is simply hostile toward the true God. He needs the gospel. Not watered down.
I used to listen to Jim Gaffigan when I was a pagan hedonist. I thought he was super clean and he Is by most standards for sure. But once I got saved he had these bits where he would use Jesus and the disciples for the butt of his jokes and I could not stand it. There are very few good comedians around that are actually clean. Most of the "christian" comedians just make jokes about the bible and Jesus and end up making Christianity a joke. Check our Fred Klett. He's not a Christian but he has super clean comedy and he's hilarious. Also Clayburn Cox. Really funny and good clean comedy.
@@doejohn215 Romans 1 speaks of those who deny and suppress the truth they know. The person that says could somebody tell me is the kinda person that's in Acts that says I've been pierced to the heart, what then shall I do The Romans 1 person is the person that says I know, don't remind me, I don't want to know.
I've been praying for Theo Von for a couple years. I remember in an interview once he said he felt called to be a preacher. I believe he could be a preacher one day.
with former drug addicts, you gotta cut em some slack. God will meet people who are willing where theyre at. if theo wants to know the truth, he will end up in the True Church. some of us take a long winding road to arrive at the Truth, and no other road could have brought us there.
A good direction to take a conversation like this one: get them to admit there are 2 sides, good and evil. That grounds the conversation in reality, and forces them to admit a lot of other truths about God. For example, someone once told me they thought all gods are essentially the same. Well, if they would admit the existence of good and evil, that proves at least that there are gods on both sides, therefore not all gods are the same. It also opens the door for them to admit that there are ways they can be deceived by an evil higher power (what we call demons).
Actually , the inarticulate blind leading the inarticulate blind . There was a lot of " like " and " I mean " , but very little of focused , rational thought process . The conversation was between two guys trying to impress each other with their brilliance and humility .........
discernment is not judgement Socrates said, “I know that I don’t know” No one on earth has all the answers. knowing god is a personal relationship thru Christ.. when he rose from the dead.. sin was defeated … we are forgiven .. love yourself
Examine the last 7 verses of Ecclesiastes 7. The slutty woman there is symbolic of the fallen world which fallen men bow down to and worship. Jesus on the other hand and the people who follow Him don't serve the fallen world but the true transcendent Creator who is holy and lifted apart from the fallen world. Check it out.
But how can anyone be so sure that it’s not God at work here? It would seem that steps of conversion that are displeasing to Mr Wilson- well then, they have a false foundation and are wrong. Doesn’t God reach out to people where they are to being them along?
Let’s run with that. Next critical question: if everything is a step, and if everything someone says is God reaching them where they are, why bother suggesting to anyone that they’re wrong? If suggesting to them that they’re wrong is ever appropriate, not everything everyone says is God at work. What you’re suggesting is obscurantism. But in reality, some statements are wrong. These statements should be corrected. What you’re saying is that it doesn’t matter that they’re wrong because that’s where they are with God. If that’s true…why bother trying to understand anything? Whay constitutes a real discussion if everything something says is “God reaching them where they are”? If God is always reaching them where they are, why bother being discriminating about ANYTHING? 2 + 2 = 5 isn’t God reaching people where they are. It’s people not thinking. You’re literally claiming that Doug is in error because he wants these men to practice reason and self awareness, and not babble incoherently. If God is reaching these mean where they are…isn’t the same true of Doug? What right do you have to correct Doug, if that’s where he is with God? So…Doug isn’t allowed to correct these men…but you’re allowed to correct Doug. 🤡
@@Alien1375 Edited: Disregard previous version of this comment - I forgot about Dylanson’s post and thought you were addressing me. On that point, though; Even ignoring all the arguments about divine inspiration and preservation and even granting you (for the sake of the argument) all of your premises, no, the Bible isn’t an idol as it is not meant to be worshipped.
Doug is so caught up in his theology. Completely unlike Jesus. In Doug's scheme of things, you're basically irrelevant, and your inner experience is absolutely worthless unless it conforms to his revenge based dogma.
Doug is one of the LEAST humble, most UNLOVING fundamentalists I've come across. He oozes disdain, arrogance and self-righteousness. These people he is critiquing aren't even Christians in his eyes so what the hell does he care?
