Seeing thus video, I think this was my easiest act of 'like and subscribe' ever. Nice video, I love the franchise and I certainly appreciate your love and passion towards it. This is a well written, detailed, expertly narrated piece of media. Keep up the good work! *Staff morale increased*
Dude, you don't know how much I appreciate that there are people still making content about such a legendary franchise. Thank you for all of your hard work, and for having such a passion for Metal Gear...
@@orim2665 I think Liquid said something about them carrying it digitally so yeah you can say that they are grandsons too though I’m not sure about them creating their own clones
I hope you still feel that way after seeing the upcoming DYKG Disarmament video. Because it'll definitely be something that reignites the moral debate concerning Big Boss versus Venom Snake, like who truly was the good guy/bad guy sort of thing.
The legend of Big Boss is what draw me to love Metal Gear. This before MGS3. When MGS3 did came out... it became my automatic favorite especially looking at back in the case and notice it takes placed in 60s. Knowing that this was start of Big Boss story. Once I beat it.. I was right and fell in love with it. I beat MGS 3 the most in the series.
The stuff about Venom Snake surviving the events of Metal Gear is interesting to me. I have to wonder, if Kojima hadn't left Konami, would he have continued the Metal Gear series because I still think there's a bit of story left set between the events of Phantom Pain and Metal Gear and even some stuff from between Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid (maybe remakes of the first two games could help that out a bit).
I doubt it. He actually wanted to end the series with MGS IV but the higher ups wanted to continue the franchise. It sucks even more for us fans that he was forced out before fully fleshing out MGS V.
@@praeliator He's been saying that since Metal Gear Solid. Every MGS game is apparently the last and yet he keeps coming back to make more. The only reason Phantom Pain is the last (for now) is because he actually can't make anymore.
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When the sorrow says his sons and his sons Sons he refers to people like the snake liquid solidus and Raiden from mgs2 with Raiden being technically his adopted grandson and the genome soldiers being born from his DNA stating his family and Legacy will live on throughout the decades and will be remembered throughout history
The way I see it, Big Boss' 'phantom' died. Meaning, Venom's role as his phantom was over. The man himself survived. My headcanon: Venom is heavily wounded after his fight with Solid Snake. The events of the past flash before his eyes as he lay dying and Outer Heaven explodes around him. As he looks up one final time before falling unconscious, he sees Quiet, for the first time in years. Waking up sometime later, he looks down and discovers that his body is bandaged, his wounds dressed. Quiet walks in the room at that point, and their eyes meet. She smiles at him. "Thank you ... Quiet." She nods, then bends down and whispers in his ear. "I'm not Quiet anymore." The two are later seen riding off into the sunset together, their ultimate fates unknown. (Yes, I know it's cheesy, but for the love of God, the man suffered enough. He deserves a happy ending).
As I said before I certainly hope Venom lived past 1. Venom died that day, and was brought back as the medic who got side lined so long ago? Gives him a chance to live, now that big boss took back his, or rather their, name.
The way I see it, Big Boss' 'phantom' died. Meaning, Venom's role as his phantom was over. The man himself survived. My headcanon: Venom is heavily wounded after his fight with Solid Snake. The events of the past flash before his eyes as he lay dying and Outer Heaven explodes around him. As he looks up one final time before falling unconscious, he sees Quiet, for the first time in years. Waking up sometime later, he looks down and discovers that his body is bandaged, his wounds dressed. Quiet walks in the room at that point, and their eyes meet. She smiles at him. "Thank you ... Quiet." She nods, then bends down and whispers in his ear. "I'm not Quiet anymore." The two are later seen riding off into the sunset together, their ultimate fates unknown. (Yes, I know it's cheesy, but for the love of God, the man suffered enough. He deserves a happy ending).
This is a nice change of pace, a series of these would be a great way to retread the series highlights while we wait for the next game to be announced.
I find it interesting that Jack is a fan of dogs while Venom Snake isn't. Ocelot: I have an eye for 'em. I know at first glance he'd make the right partner for you. Venom Snake: Hmmph. Ocelot: And I figured it was about time he got out into the world. Venom Snake: So you passed him off on me. Ocelot: There, you see? I knew you liked him. Venom Snake: I don't know about that yet. I still think he's trying to figure me out too.
I wouldn't say Venom isn't a fan, he's just not as into them as Big Boss or Solid Snake so he's more neutral towards them. Of course, it doesn't help that Venom barely speaks in the game so we don't know much about him to begin with.
Well, his PMC's called Diamond Dogs. Of course, it can just be a reference to the Foxhound group (foxhounds are dogs trained to track and kill by scent).
11:58 He’s referring to his cloned “sons”. *your sons sons* = Raiden and the other child soldiers trained by Solidus. “ *This is my son. I taught him everything he knows* “ “ *Jack. My SON* “ “ *I am your foster father and your worst enemy...we’re repeating history, Jack* “ - Solidus
Thank you for making this content. Metal Gear is such an inspiring Franchise for me and Big Boss is one of it's greatest characters. Once again, thank you for keeping the legacy alive!
What if Boss references to the fact that Jack was not an ordinary human to begin with. What if he was created by the philosophers, to be The Perfect Soldier? Giving him another paralel to David, and irony that although he hated that his sons were bioenginered - he was too. Or maybe it was exact reason he did? I don't think we'll ever know. And there's one grandson of Big Boss: another Jack. Adopted son of Solidus - Raiden.
I must say, even after being a fan of MGS for so long and believing that I know as much as possible I did not make some of the connections you mentioned, especially the later entries. Thank you for giving me new insights, it is much appreciated...
This is honestly the best explanation of the series I've ever seen. I am a big fan I mean big big fan. I've been playing since the very first one. I love this franchise. And I love this top 20 video. You just burned yourself a sub 🤟🏽
Indeed! It's pretty clear that there's more than meets the eye when it comes to "Venom Snake" and Outer Heaven 😉 Song: MGS Portable Ops OST - "Gene" Thank you for your comment! 🙂 - P&S
Around the 13 minute mark I was going to click Subscribe before realizing I've already been subbed. Love your narration, accent and knowledge brother. Keep it up!
#10- I always thought The Sorrow was referring to Raiden as Big Boss's grandson, since Solidus considered Raiden a son. Maybe this would include other children that Solid, Solidus, and/or Liquid saved down the line (making it his son's sons). Either way, great video!!!
I cannot tell you how many times I have burnt the battery down on my devices watching your videos. As a fan of the MG series, I enjoy your content immensely.
Didn't Naomi or Para-medic refer to the Genome Soldiers as sons of Big Boss in MGS1? Yet more food for thought lol, I love how we're all still digesting Metal Gear lore. Never be game over!
The number of parallels between John and my father and grandfather is eerie. Between my grandfather, born in 1935, having about half of John's military history, and my dad having the other half, a love of cigars, and a strong resemblance (he looked like John at each stage of his life and currently looks about halfway between MGSV John and MGS4 John), it honestly makes me feel like a son of Big Boss, especially since my dad trained me in much of what he learned during his time at war. Hopefully the man himself would tell me I'm pretty good.
13:09 oh sick, which video did Mr. Kojima watch of yours? also.. really love your guys stuff, it came up in my shorts feed and i ended up binging a good load of them before checking your longer form stuff. really like your style and i can tell the passion you have for the series, great stuff fellas!!
i mean to be fair, venom snake wasnt big boss' creation. he only knew about venom snake being made after he woke up from the coma and just went with it because there was no other choice
Big boss seen the boss as a mom and ocelot is her son so in a way big boss does have a brother because the boss was like a adopted mom so ocelot would be his adopted brother
@@kinsan89 The Cyborg Ninja skin in MGSV has Snake's face though instead of Frank's, just like someone else who had a right white eye and had Big Boss's face... A subtle tease which should be read between the lines 😉 - P&S
Great video man. Metal gear solid 3 was my first game I played of the series after that I was invested in the story. Great to see people still care for it
#8. I never really thought of it, but it seems possible that Big Boss's life was extended/saved through cybernetics. So he shares that similarity to Raiden in a way. I wonder if there is a future for Metal Gear/Kojima's works with a new generation of hardware being here. I'm hoping _they_ don't "screw it up". Great video as usual boys. It's been "empty" for a long while concerning our favorite series ever. I'm optimistic and sad at the same time concerning the future (if there is one) of Metal Gear.
#2 Ive always thought that Zero thinking that naked snake had brothers was a reference to how Naked’s ideologies at the time were close to solid’s and raiden’s ideologies at the beginning of their stories, because Naked’s story as big boss is still in its infancy/beginning for most of mgs3
Kojima really created a villain (MG), killed him, brought him back to life, (MG2:SS) killed him AGAIN, make him a hero you love (MGS3), make him a global legend (MGS:PW), and then made you realize he's truly just a cold bastard who uses everyone for his own personal gain and literally destroys entire identities to further his own ideals (MGSV) but i still like Big Boss though 😭
Great video. By the way this incarnation of Big Boss was based on DC Comics's Slade Wilson, a.k.a. Deathstroke, the Terminator from the New Earth timeline. Both were born in 1935. Both were trained by highly skilled women who would change the course of their lives. And both were renowned mercenaries for hire who took on impossible missions with low survivability.
I don't know how you are still capable of doing this but I want you to know that I really appreciate every content you make on metal gear. truly I watch it again and again and I enjoy it just as much as I enjoy the game it self. thank you man.
People are full of shit when they say one man can't make a difference. Go listen to old war stories from veterans themselves and you will hear about the real "bosses" that existed. There are some real heroes out there.
Music at the 4:50 mark has been my ringtone for over 10 years. My notification noises are Codec noises. My ringtone is Bigbosses. This series has been a huge part of my life growing up.
Hi! I've been binging your MGSV theories lately and I love them because they fascinate me so much. You should try making a Metal Gear Rising video, would definitely be interesting to see your take on the events of the game
PythonSelkan like always, great work and me praying Hideo Kojima will use your content from your Null aka Gray Fox video for another twist. I can’t stop watching that video because how connect the song Nuclear is connected to Null.” The abandoned child” lyric.
This was the first game I played on ps1 an it was a demo an until now is still my fav game ever thanks man for making content on the lore an game brings me back man
Boss:I want a world where a soldier doesn’t have to fight….. big boss:YOU SAID YOU WANTED A WORLD WHERE SOLDIERS COULD FIGHT FOR NO COUNTRY RIGHT? Boss:what the fuck no- *gets fucking shot by big boss*
“Your sons sons” leaves it open ended to have a secret clone of solid snake be unveiled in future canon games Solid was the true greatest solider of all time. They would want his genome instead of big boss and since he died at the end of MGS4
For me is Clear that Big Boss was not evil. Unfortunately Kojima is not working with Konami anymore to give a proper ending about the story of the first and second game of the franchise, because there are several possible themes/subjects to talk about: Miller possible betrayal of Venom (he worked with Skullface? I think you guys showed that because of a recording on Paz interrogation), Venom Snake maybe becoming a Villain (I don`t believe that, but..), Big Boss not as a Villain (for the end of MGS4 don`t show a BB as a Mad Dog, I really don`t believe that BB is bad, but we need a retcon for that, because in the first games they called BB as a madman that want a world of endless war.). By the way, excellent content guys!
If you stop to think about it, the first games in the saga in which they make Big Boss look like the devil, have practically no narrative sense on many occasions, I do think that Big Boss did get quite corrupted by misinterpreting the will of The Boss, but not to the point of using children as they show us, and on the other hand with Venom, he is practically an angel even though his appearance shows the opposite, we can even see how unlike "what Big Boss did", when he was on his own, he wanted to gave a normal life with education to the children he rescued, just like when he dismantled all the atomic bombs (the cinematic that appeared a couple of years ago when no online player had an atomic bomb, I don't know if its canon, its a little hard to believe) but hey, Kojima is never going to just sit down and explain everything, so it's more up to the player to fill in those gaps left purposely by Kojima.
"I'm a mushroom," -Solid Snake Source captions at 3:28 😂. Great video 👍 👌 . This is kinda random but I hope we get an msx remake one day and see more solid snake 🐍 . It would clear up some plot points, adds more development into the characters' arc , create a new theme or reinforce older ones and most importantly make another fun game with remimagined boss fights possibly using scrapped ideas like using rats as companions but this time snake's.
Hahah! Thank you so much 😀 Hideo did say Solid Snake's story isn't yet finished, so here's hoping we'll see those MG/MG2 Remakes announced one day 🙏 - P&S
4:29 - when it rains and the camera shows the Boss, you can see pictures of some people (maybe the Boss and Sorrow!?) as raindrops. I thought I was tripping so I checked other playthrough videos and its true. All the Boss scenes where it rains, there are these raindrop pics, but only if the camera is showing the Boss from the front. After all these years, did I just find something that has been left unnoticed by us all?? Damn, somehow spooky..
Snake “I don’t have any brothers.” Zero: “really? I could have sworn you had several” Snake: “whaat?” 😂😂 it’s like he questions his own knowledge, and wonders if he does have siblings
16:45 Okay, I'm not sure if I can't let that slide. Why did you say that about my man Venom, who, for example, in contrarity with Naked Snake, didn't recruit children, or that he didn't use his men as a cover for his plans.
I'll be surprise there's other children of Big Boss born outside all the Outter Heaven shindig. There's a hunch he has a secrete family he suddenly change his mind to having. His excuse to be a better a father than leading his children (Soilidus, Liquid, Snake, all the soilders with his bloodline) to where it gotten them.