Mythical Maeroff Crazy hypothetical: what if eie24 was joking? Then anyone who called them stupid would look stupid... Good thing it’s just a hypothetical :)
Last night I was in a dream situation at a local tournament. Got KK in the big blind. Down to 12 people. Blinds are 10k/10k/5k. Guy raises to 35k in middle position gets 2 callers. I shove with 115k. Everyone folds but the original raiser. He calls, AQ unsuited vs KK. He hits an Ace in the window. It happens. I did everything right, and unfortunately for me he got lucky and hit his Ace.
Last week I played against someone that did, I 5-betted with QQ and I was amazed when he showed his hand, KK and folded it. I was like 'what are you doing bro?'
Kopp was steaming I think in his hand with Moon. In the hand before he folded pocket 4's to a small raise and would have hit a full house. It was a really massive pot.
it's stupid full ring but that hand was 3 handed and Cada was low on chips. 3 handed any pair is pretty much a premium. Shoving there is not a bad move bc it gets folds from so many many hands that had him crush including 33-99, Ax that isn't a premium and KQ KJ K10. If he gets called, a lot of time he's flipping so he's not in terrible shape either. He just happened to run into Saout's top of range with a real premium and then got lucky.
Terrible spot, small ball all the way in this scenario, if he loses he still has plenty of chips to be a threat, if he wins small it's enough to take the chip lead and bully the rest of the way
Oh damn... Such terrible news. I remember 10 years ago when I watched the WSOP main event final table and he ran almost to win it. I liked his style of play. May he rest in peace
Also when you got pocket aces and you are ate the bottom of the chip count, only one player knocked out but the other remaining on the table all folded
I’ve never personally folded KK preflop. QQ a couple times, but never KK. It’s just not a good idea. Maybe if I was 300bb deep in the main and it was for my whole stack, or if I was on the stone bubble of a tournament above my comfort level $ wise I might find a fold. But this was far, far from those scenarios. Honestly the only play I can think of that is more nitty is. Jennifer Tilly checking back the river vs Patrick Antonius with JJ on a JT7KK run out. Tilly said she put Antonius on quads (he had T8). But she was just learning the game at that point, and was way out of depth.
In the long run folding KK pre flop will lose you more money/hands. I’ve folded QQ’s to all ins 5 or 6 times when I knew my opponent had AA or KK and once to AK because I didn’t wanna coin flip for over $2k at 1-3 nlh
Let’s say you’ve narrowed down their hand to QQ, KK, and AA. There is a 46% chance they have QQ or AA, and an 8% chance they have KK. In this case, your chances of winning are LESS than 50%, so it really isn’t always the worst fold, especially when playing for a ton of money.
@@magichands135 Coincidentally, the neighbour that lives opposite me is having his place cleaned out because he passed away a few weeks back. He was only a few years older than me too. He was a nice bloke.
Kopp with possibly the worst ICM punt of all time (factoring in the money, endorsements, prestige of making the November 9 and a chance to win the main event bracelet)
paul higgins Kopp’s turn shove is one of the worst plays in the history of the main event. Name 1 hand, any hand at all, that would call that 18 million (75bb) shove that Kopp can beat. It doesn’t exist.
@@Rainmaker205 Ace high flush draw with top pair, something like that, might call? (he's calling 12M to win a pot of 28M, or 40M after he calls). Anyway turn shove is questionable, yes, but I said it's more of a 'bad beat' because either way I don't see how Kopp avoids getting it in on the river (Darvin shoves river 100% of the time, I think)
The Ivey vs Moon clip is so burned into my mind. His overall body language, the way he squeezes the cards, the way he holds them afterwards... I will admit I try to emulate this when playing live. Everyone wanted to be Ivey or Dwan at this time. "It's casual, and cool," as Norman says in the clip.
There was a hilarious awkward moment on camera between Ivey and Moon just before the final table resumed, they were both just kinda standing there not knowing what to say, Darvin just put out his hand and very awkwardly blurted out 'I respect you!!' in his unique gentlemanly way. RIP
Billy Kopp claimed he was trying to represent a full house. Darvin claimed he didn't even realize the board was paired. However, Kopp's reaction after seeing Darvin's cards makes me think he thought he was shoving with the best hand. Even if Kopp's story was true it would be a horrible move to make against an amateur, and Darvin is very much pot committed with his hand regardless.
What an amazing feeling it has to be, when you are chip leading the Main with 12 people left, you get it in with the second biggest stack in the room on the turn, in a situation where you could potentially be drawing dead... and it turns out you got him drawing dead.
8:50 I remember Cada's donk move quite well and then and now I thought "WTF is he doing"...if Kopp hadn't made a dumber punt, this one would have been talked about.
Takes balls to fold KK preflop? 😂 I don't give a fuck if you turn over AA. I'm never folding KK PRE-FLOP! If he called and saw an A, then folded i could understand it. You literally have the 2nd best hand preflop. If he has AA he got AA. The hardest thing to do in poker is make a pair. And you got KK and folding preflop....? Fuck outta here, go play UNO my dude.
@@killaT313 what's the point of this comment? Without no doubts is a very strong player but in this final table he was tremendous lucky. And not much for the luck itself, but for the play itself. In the long run Saout is the moral winner, and in this spots it sucks to see Saout to 80 milion chips to no chips in just two hands... but your comment is just to bully and to show how idiot you are lol, i followed him hoping that he could win in 2018 😂
Not one human being entering a final table isn’t lucky. That’s how the game is played. You’re not always going to sequentially get what you need, and gambling straight-up and leaving things to fate is part of the game.
Ivey acted that way bc saying "Good Hand" before the flop and being behind was today's "one time" saying. He knows he was hoping for a suck out. Love to see what Ivey would of did with that many chips!
I'd have to see more final table hands to know whether or not I agree. If Saout continually 3-bet Cada from the big blind it's not the worst play to go all-in and try to win the pot there. Saout is only going to have a pair there ~6% of the time, so 94% of the time Cada could win the pot by his opponent folding or by wining a ~50/50 run out against a non-pair hand.
Love that last line. If you're being commentated on that is the line you want to have said. 'Wendy Moon can book her ticket at the final table, her husband is the overwhelming chip leader' love it
In the hand with Joe Cade (22) it really isn't going to play out much differently if he calls the raise preflop, his still hits the flop and buddy with the QQ will commit the same amout of chips with the overpair.
I honestly enjoyed watching Ivey lose. These poker “professionals” act like they have complete control over what cards will be revealed, when in reality, they’re just smart gamblers like the “every man” sitting across from them. Moon knew in his head he was better than Ivey, and didn’t react a single bit when the crowd chanted Ivey’s name.
@vinny necro He wasn't mocking his opponent for saying 'good hand' at all......Ivey was thinking at first that Darvin meant "good hand' as in the hand is completed (which in poker is almost bad luck before the cards have run out on an All-in). That's why Ivey said "Oh no, he said good hand"....(as in he's implying that I already won it before the dealer runs them out)..... Once Darvin said "Well better then mine", Ivey realized that he wasn't trying to jinx him, rather just saying nice hand (as in better cards then mine) and had no problem with it at all.
I worked with Joe in the only Mexican restaurant in Ann Arbor many years ago. The manager was always yelling at him for eating cold old food off the plate before he washed them. Soggy chips in old guacamole, half eaten burritos, picked over taco salad, ice cold tamales, melted cheese peeled off plates....etc...etc....
The Intro Music is Very Nostalgic...The KK Fold STILL Has Me Baffled....Also Much Respect to Phil Ivey...He Takes His Losses Like a Man and Respects The Game
Respect to ole Darvin for wearing the Saints hat. I’m not a fan of the Saints or anything, but everyone else looks ridiculous with the gigantic logos plastered on their clothes. It’s nice to see that some people don’t sell out completely. Not saying that I wouldn’t have repped Full Tilt if they offered me $, buts it’s nice to know that not everyone can be bought. Darvin is the man.
So this is the closest we're going to get at seeing George Costanza showdown against Newman (Greg Raimer)? Fuckin dino shades Newman? What a rip-off. #savetheusps
Everytime i watch this video i can't get why kopp went broke. Moon just called to the small blind so AA and AK are close to zero/zero. A2 i don't know if defends the small. So i don't find a hand that makes sense for the raise on the turn. The best play was in my opinion to just call the 6M raise and check call the eventual Moon's bet on the river. Even if Moon goes all in on the river and Kopp called it will show more nice to at least call a bluff off. Shoving the turn for me is actually nosense. And if Moon bets another 5 to 8M on the river Kopp just calling will at least stay in the tourney even if is crippled by the hand.
The Kobb one is the worst. Just call the turn bet and it probably goes check check on the River. His play really makes no sense. It’s almost as though he didn’t know where he was at the entire hand. If I have that hand. I’m thinking it’s the best hand. So why go all in? Yeah, to get Moon off a flush draw I guess. But once the turn paired the board. Say he checks after Moon checks. Moon probably bets 3 million or whatever and Kobb calls. Talk about terrible controlling the pot by Kobb.
Every man played this hand so bad, even Moon. He got allin when board paired, it's 12 players remaind so you never got allin with worse hand than full house or better flush, but it was 1% when Kopp made a mistake and goes allin. Moon played this worse than Kopp actually
Folding KK is prefop is a bad fold ~96% of the time because it's the best hand 96% of the time when against 8 other opponents. ~4% of the time someone will have a better hand.
There are other WSOP recap where we see players folding KK vs AA preflop. And nobody has something to say about it. But here, everybody criticizes the KK fold because, this time, it is against a weaker pocket pair….
