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2010 Renault/Scenic 1.5L Diesel Clutch Replacement 

Kevin-Albert Williams
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@JouniSV
@JouniSV 2 месяца назад
This video was very helpfull, thanks.😂 After watching this I was encouraged to start removing the automatic transmission from my 2010 Grand Scenic 1.5 dci in the same manner. It was not an easy job and getting it back up was very tricky operation indeed. After countless hours spend under the car, much pain and continuous cursing I finally succeeded. Reason I started the job was a broken flywheel which is now replaced.
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 месяца назад
Excellent 🍻🍻
@soldiers-nf2ps
@soldiers-nf2ps 4 года назад
As for a technician working in a prestige dealership i respect your hard hussle god keep you strong son
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
soldier1900 s a review from a fellow mechanic/technician is always very much appreciated... thanks for taking time to leave the feedback and for visiting the channel.
@MaxHardcoreSLOVAKIA
@MaxHardcoreSLOVAKIA 3 года назад
@@WMCS thanks for the great, informative video. Do you plan to buy a 2-post lift in the future?
@harryrasanen9862
@harryrasanen9862 2 года назад
@@WMCS å
@mrvamunze
@mrvamunze Год назад
​​@@WMCSou are put too much grase on cluch.
@edbirks2686
@edbirks2686 2 года назад
Absolutely perfect video 10 out of 10!!! I know virtually nothing about repairing cars yet I just replaced my daughters clutch by following this video.... it worked first time..... Don't know how this guy lifted the gearbox back in like that, great skills.
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 года назад
Thanks Ed. Really appreciate the feedback Kind regards
@ukreallifeL8
@ukreallifeL8 9 месяцев назад
Don’t you just love how this fella makes it look so easy changing a clutch on a drive way 🤣🤣🤣
@MrDevinferreira
@MrDevinferreira 4 месяца назад
Hail to the King baby. Amazing watching this get done.
@adambennett805
@adambennett805 3 года назад
Wow! I thought this was sped up in parts but you're just a really fast worker
@alexsorrento1106
@alexsorrento1106 4 года назад
bravo sei l unico al mondo che mette i cunei alle ruote posteriori , per la sicurezza
@vlad3723
@vlad3723 2 месяца назад
Это просто пиздец. Этому парню респект и уважение. Он один без помощников и слова не сказал, тем более матюков , проделал такую работу, просто нет слов 👍👍👍
@stevenhughes7247
@stevenhughes7247 3 года назад
Had to do one of these mobile recently. like the last few clutch changes i had booked in i found myself searching on your youtube channel and found all the information i needed to make the job alot quicker....Thank you! Great work your doing 👏
@WMCS
@WMCS 3 года назад
Glad to hear the video came in handy. Good effort for tackling that repair.
@OnlineAutoRepairVideos
@OnlineAutoRepairVideos 4 года назад
Bro, you got a VERY unique business which I admire VERY much!! You have the ONLY mobile clutch service I have ever heard of. We don't do any transmission work, so if you and I were in the same town, we would rule that entire state!! I definitely have to do a video and give your channel a shout out!!
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Astral Auto Repairs thank you so much for the support... it means a great deal to get feedback from another professional mechanic ... Thanks so much if you’re giving the channel a shout out ... Genuinely appreciate it. Thank you.
@keithhenderson5788
@keithhenderson5788 2 года назад
I watched this video numerous times before tackling my own flywheel and clutch change. It was a great help. A good job well done - thank you so much :)
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 года назад
Glad to hear it went really well 🍻
@joyescabarte1745
@joyescabarte1745 Год назад
​@Kevin-Albert Williams please Kevin can you reply my message about my car need to replace my clutch. Please how much your cost. Thanks you
@tubeyou21081977
@tubeyou21081977 3 года назад
Ahhhh Kevin, you DID remove reverse gear switch but did not point at that (16:44). Well, it was somehow rewarding to notice that, thank you so much for these tutorials.
@George-vt5rf
@George-vt5rf 5 лет назад
Great job, I replaced the pressure bearing on a Megane 2 Hatch thanx to your video.
@WMCS
@WMCS 5 лет назад
George Popa thanks for coming back with a feedback mate.
@user-cx8om2bp9n
@user-cx8om2bp9n 6 месяцев назад
Nur wer sowas schon Mal selbst auf dem Wagenheber gemacht hat, weiss was das für eine harte arbeit ist. Du kannst dir jeden abend in den Spiegel schaun mein Freund! Tolle Arbeit! Grüsse aus 🇩🇪
@WMCS
@WMCS 6 месяцев назад
Thank you.
@ericrichard2047
@ericrichard2047 Год назад
Srx tu gère de oufff respect, si tout les mécanos se bougeaient comme vous ils auraient le mérite d'être bien payer
@hasanasri1244
@hasanasri1244 2 месяца назад
detaylı video için teşekkürler daha önce videonuzdan faydalanıp fiat araba debriyaj değiştirdik.
@peterdavies5749
@peterdavies5749 4 года назад
Done my second one of these scenic clutches today watched this video before doing thr first one they a really nice clutch to do I think got the job down to just over 3 and a half hours
@smoggy1964
@smoggy1964 4 года назад
Peter Davies that’s well over an hour quicker than Him
@peterdavies7121
@peterdavies7121 Год назад
I should be OK then allowing all day for this
@razvann6561
@razvann6561 13 дней назад
Thank's a lot Kevin ! Bless you for thid video!
@sara78130
@sara78130 2 года назад
Very hard I’m working mechanic 👨‍🔧 I hate clutch respect ✊
@MaximC
@MaximC 2 года назад
You know Kevin, beside showing how to do it, you kind of give a lot of people confidence and inspiration that they themselves can actually do it, change the clutch on their own car. It's kind of nice
@richardmeurice8464
@richardmeurice8464 Год назад
Merci pour ta vidéo super complète qui m’a permis de le faire moi même 🙏👌💪💪
@WMCS
@WMCS Год назад
You’re welcome .. 🍻
@bilylow93
@bilylow93 2 года назад
Mec tu gère a fond .je l ai fait le weekend dernier avec mon beau frère on en a bavé pour faire de la place à la boîte .
@robjames292
@robjames292 3 года назад
I got one to to do my self, on the floor just like your self. Im a mechanic my self and do work on the side. Just reading through the comments... and doing that in 5 hours it a good time fer play 👍
@WMCS
@WMCS 3 года назад
They’re not o bad. Book time is about 10hours. But you won’t have to drop the subframe fully. Let us know how you get on 🍻🍻🍻
@pmfsify
@pmfsify Год назад
Great work that must seen for all mecanics...
@benjaminbogen2172
@benjaminbogen2172 Год назад
Absolut geiler Typ, mal ebend auf dem Parkplatz 😳
@Alex-if3sr
@Alex-if3sr 10 дней назад
Hi Kevin, i know its an old video, but on what part are you jacking up from? It seems like by the engine in the video?
@vehiclewarranty
@vehiclewarranty Год назад
Incredible work. Will be in touch when we need some mobile assistance. 👌👍
@peterromvig4953
@peterromvig4953 4 месяца назад
I have seen that many renault 1,5 dci that have a heavy/stiff clutch pedal. Are there any fix for that?
@robertt8152
@robertt8152 Год назад
Cześć Masz zdrowie, aby taką operację przeprowadzić bez podnośnika 💪🖐️
@gixmode
@gixmode 2 месяца назад
did you remove the entire gear box and you replaced it on the floor or dit you leave like that?
@rallispeed1864
@rallispeed1864 2 года назад
Same as a 2013 clutch mate?
@andreasachilleos6335
@andreasachilleos6335 3 года назад
You make it look so easy but I know it’s not good job mate 👍
@sir240s
@sir240s 2 года назад
did you change clutch and flywheel and release bearing...? how many houers did it take on the ground, and aprox laber..? would you make it even faster on a hoist :D very good video
@davidbray6515
@davidbray6515 4 года назад
This bloke s a machine
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
David Bray thanks for the feedback mate.
@peterdavies7121
@peterdavies7121 Год назад
Why did it stop on the clutch plate? Is it as simple as taking plate off and replacing then??
@adeldjad9053
@adeldjad9053 4 года назад
brother waiting clio 4 1.2 16v or sandero 1.2 16v thx for sharing videos
@user-of9gz7yw1v
@user-of9gz7yw1v 11 месяцев назад
Hi mate do you know from where is coming this noise please? If press the clutch is fine when release this is very noisy even on neutral gear. Thanks in advans
@charlieandre6391
@charlieandre6391 Год назад
Great video, in reality though what was the time involved to do this scenic 3? Surely the 35.52 video length cant be as guide. Thank you for posting it.
@WMCS
@WMCS Год назад
About 4-5hrs.
@charlieandre6391
@charlieandre6391 Год назад
@@WMCS I have exactly the same car. I wonder how much it will cost me including parts , I live in York btw.
@mongol9793
@mongol9793 3 года назад
Hello everyone can someone tell me wheres the problem in the handbrake ?(renault scenic 2002 1.9) Handbrake is pulled but not working car is still moving after pulling the handbrake
@gockanbistricanec12
@gockanbistricanec12 2 года назад
to ask, in 5 and 6 speed does not want to change, what is the problem and in the others is a normal Renault Megane 2 2008
@grivious31
@grivious31 3 года назад
Hi Mr Williams, good job How much do you charge for a clutch replacement (in average ) ? What's the least you'd charge
@amg644
@amg644 Год назад
Hello Kevin, I have watched your video and replaced mine same way you did yours ,now my car wont start.Its exactly same model as this one your working on.Have you ever come across a problem like that. Regards
@WMCS
@WMCS Год назад
If you removed the ECU please check very carefully that none of the pins are bent. Most likely cause : make sure all the earth straps are correctly fastened back onto the gearbox.
@amnesialen
@amnesialen 3 года назад
Super job bro, I've gone a bought myself a Renault Fluence (I think it's the megane 3 over there). Wud u happen to know of someone who wud have some used spares, here in India not many spares are available. Thanks.
@AlexandreSilva-zk4kg
@AlexandreSilva-zk4kg Год назад
HI. Very impressive your work, I have done some jobs like that on several cars I had, but in a small garage with no hydraulic lift also. But of course I took longer time, as because not so much experience like you. I ask if you have any video wit Renault Megane 3 1.6 DCI engine?
@sidalikhazem6857
@sidalikhazem6857 4 года назад
chapon expert c est travail très propre
@supersky-qi7iu
@supersky-qi7iu 3 года назад
Renault, the most easy car for repair....
@WMCS
@WMCS 3 года назад
Of course ..
@jeanmichelrobin2826
@jeanmichelrobin2826 4 года назад
c'est bien les vidéos sur la mécanique.
@malikzadan
@malikzadan 4 года назад
Kevin, I have the same car on a 12 plate. My clutch pedal is very stiff any advise what could be wrong? Your reply is much appreciated. Tia
@jameswatkins1401
@jameswatkins1401 2 года назад
Great vid...quick question. Where on the grand scenic is a safe place to put a jack stand if I’m using the jacking point behind front wheel for the Trolley jack?
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 года назад
Try the chassis.
@perpetualmotionuk
@perpetualmotionuk 4 года назад
Hi Kevin, just a quick question. Have you done a clutch on a Megane 2.0 TCE engine? Does the turbo get in the way when doing the clutch? My concentric bearing has gone and I'm going to have a go at replacing it myself thanks to your videos!
@perpetualmotionuk
@perpetualmotionuk 4 года назад
...also, have you thought about getting a Patreon account? I'm sure loads of people on here would be interested in paying for your videos as they could save loads of money!
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Hiya. It’s pretty much the same layout. Nothing is in the way .., it’s fairly good access. I’m not sure on the subframe tho.
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
I don’t know what that account is..., I’m not too great on the social media side of things.
@kukbluk6326
@kukbluk6326 6 месяцев назад
Mate you are the best , thaks
@himmanbloke
@himmanbloke 6 месяцев назад
Very helpful video! Thanks
@radosawzdrojewski9199
@radosawzdrojewski9199 Год назад
Hello. I have a question for fellow mechaniks. I am waiting for the replacement of the dual mass flywheel in Renault Scenic II 2.0 16V petrol. After unscrewing the front part of the bench under the radiator, will I be able to pull out the gearbox through the hole or do I have to remove the entire sledge from the suspension to get the access to do this?
@radosawzdrojewski9199
@radosawzdrojewski9199 Год назад
I swe on this video that there isn't enough space to remove the gearbox outside.
@johannescoetsee7534
@johannescoetsee7534 4 года назад
Nicely done! Did you replace crank seal as well whilst you were in there? Need to do mine on Megane F1 2006 soon. Very similar layout to this Scenic so this will help.
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Johannes Coetsee always advisable to do so.. it’s not bad getting to it.
@grekhora
@grekhora 2 года назад
Mate, great work! The ecu, is it just those two bolts holding it in place? Cant budge mine after i removed them. Cheers from Sweden.
@paulmiller6277
@paulmiller6277 2 года назад
The plastic plug in gearbox at 12:29 in video is oil fill point?
@jimsmit6745
@jimsmit6745 5 лет назад
Nice job Kev
@WMCS
@WMCS 5 лет назад
Jim Smit Thanks Jim.
@skippyglen6610
@skippyglen6610 4 года назад
Great video and well impressed but please get some safety glasses.
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Skippy Glen thanks for the advice ... I did at some point started wearing them goggles but they always steam up.. I get loads of crap in the eye... lots of eyewash in my first aid box tho ... Appreciate you visiting the channel. Thanks for the review.
@robertt6430
@robertt6430 3 года назад
I know this sounds stupid. Try using swimming goggles. Job done no more eye wash....
@luisfernandoparramartinez81
@luisfernandoparramartinez81 4 года назад
thanks again for the video. I have a question: did you were using impact sockets or the standard ones?
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Luis Fernando Parra Martínez impact sockets.
@romaincbdt3146
@romaincbdt3146 4 месяца назад
Tres bien bravo je doit fzire mon 1.9dci 125cv fap 2006 cest plus du demontage de visse berceau bravo sa va maider.
@paulmiller6277
@paulmiller6277 2 года назад
How do you bleed clutch its usually a 2 man job?
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 года назад
Just prime it instead. Crack open the bleed nipple and prime it. Have a look on tomorrow’s upload if you’re subscribed for a good example
@paulmiller6277
@paulmiller6277 2 года назад
@@WMCS thanks for quick reply.On renault scenic do you always replace dual mass flywheel and slave cyclinder?
@paulmiller6277
@paulmiller6277 2 года назад
Kevin have you ever changed clutch on Renault Modus 1.5 DCI ? How much does it differ from scenic?
@WestSideConnection5
@WestSideConnection5 4 года назад
I have a 2011 megane grandtour 1.5dci 110hp , i have to get the rev limiter up to 1.5k revs and then release the clutch otherwise it doesnt move, i also feel some vibrations (maybe the flywheel). The car has 161000 km's, do you think the clutch is worn? And maybe flywheel too?
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
WestSideConnection5 definitely clutch and flywheel would need replacing. What’s your postcode
@WestSideConnection5
@WestSideConnection5 4 года назад
@@WMCS i'm from Belgium
@WestSideConnection5
@WestSideConnection5 4 года назад
@@WMCS i've already replaced the gearbox mount, do you think i would be able to pull it off, i have no mechanical education or something just a handyman.. I do most things on my car oil change , brake pads , discs, engine mounts, brake oil, gearbox oil, coolant change..
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
WestSideConnection5 this one particular repair will require a bit of skill. It’s a bit of an advanced level one Due to the wiring at the top. Give yourself a few days if you’re gonna do it yourself.
@WestSideConnection5
@WestSideConnection5 4 года назад
@@WMCS what wiring? You mean the wiring when removing the battery tray or at gearbox itself?
@gabrielpirard9927
@gabrielpirard9927 7 месяцев назад
What is with refill the clutch oil and get out the air of clutch system ? Thats important
@WMCS
@WMCS 7 месяцев назад
Of course ..
@LAMECCANICA-channel
@LAMECCANICA-channel 11 месяцев назад
Top job Kevin 🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝
@michaelperrault1059
@michaelperrault1059 10 месяцев назад
comment avez vous purger le liquide de frein et dembrayage svp
@officecarslz1789
@officecarslz1789 5 месяцев назад
Perfect. God bless you!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
@ayoubouzebla4641
@ayoubouzebla4641 4 года назад
Great men great job 👌
@adnandervisic4992
@adnandervisic4992 5 лет назад
Nice work
@steflechat705
@steflechat705 3 года назад
Hi, would I have the same tutorial for a Scenic 2 1.9dci? Thanks Stef
@markf1441
@markf1441 4 года назад
Good job. Enjoyed the money ! Please tell me , EDC (dual clutch disk ) it is more complicated, it is possible under the same conditions ?
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Mark F it depends for what vehicle.... ?
@markf1441
@markf1441 4 года назад
Grand Scenic 3(2010) 1.5 dci ,110HP ,EDC
@salehinkamal
@salehinkamal 3 года назад
I have the same question
@olivierchapelaindelavilleg1617
@olivierchapelaindelavilleg1617 4 года назад
Well done. But we didn't see clutch disk replacement itself and gearbox oil re-filling. how much oil?
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Olivier Chapelain de La Villeguérin there’s a level plug on the side. Use it for Re fill until it overflows. About 2.5 L
@steflechat705
@steflechat705 3 года назад
Salut, aurais tu le meme tuto pour un scenic 2 1.9dci merci stef
@luisfernandoparramartinez81
@luisfernandoparramartinez81 4 года назад
Hey good job, any issues doing it? How long does it takes you to do the work?
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Luis Fernando Parra Martínez about 5 hours. No issues.
@mule666
@mule666 2 года назад
Have you ever lost a bolt or screw and made you crazy not finding it or do you have lots of spare ones?
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 года назад
No I’ve never lost any. But I do have about 20kg of spare nuts and bolts in the unlikely event I need to replace any.
@matthewstevens7486
@matthewstevens7486 2 года назад
do you drop the drivers side sub frame as well as the passenger side to separate gearbox from engine, if so,do you need to separate steering rack from column to lower sub frame?
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 года назад
Only the gearbox side. Sometime I might slacken a bit the rear ended of the other side.
@matthewstevens7486
@matthewstevens7486 2 года назад
@@WMCS thanks, doing my petrol version of this on scenic friday, video helped a lot.
@matthewstevens7486
@matthewstevens7486 2 года назад
@@WMCS by rear ended the other side , do you mean passenger side rear sub frame mount, so you don't touch the drivers side at all?
@sudinebabz8651
@sudinebabz8651 4 года назад
👍🏽 the clutches warrior 👍🏽
@benturnbull9626
@benturnbull9626 5 лет назад
Excellent video
@WMCS
@WMCS 5 лет назад
Ben Turnbull thank you for the feedback.
@mattthambirajahpt286
@mattthambirajahpt286 Год назад
Would this be similar to a Renault kangoo diesel clutch replacement?
@WMCS
@WMCS Год назад
I’m sure there’s a kangoo full video on the channel.
@iulia2009
@iulia2009 2 года назад
Ciao, super professionale, che pistola ai usato per lavoro, grazie!
@yyroykoh
@yyroykoh Год назад
Hi, appreciate the work you've put in on this. It really looks tough with all that disassembly. I've got a question though; I see that the removal of numerous lower suspension components is necessary to gain access to the gearbox. When its all done and put back together, will there be a need to re-do an alignment? Thanks in advance
@WMCS
@WMCS Год назад
Hi Roy. Only drop one side of the subframe. Otherwise will still be in place so no need to do alignment after. Almost like a door on hinges opening and shutting if that makes sense.
@yyroykoh
@yyroykoh Год назад
@@WMCS Cool, thanks! I was just worried I might disrupt something but I guess as long as the tie rod adjustment isn't touched then that should be alright? I'm gonna be doing this on a Kangoo 2 though, so it may be slightly different.
@garyatkinson5699
@garyatkinson5699 Год назад
Fair play mate
@jasperbarlow2582
@jasperbarlow2582 10 месяцев назад
Which is the easiest make/model to work on?
@WMCS
@WMCS 10 месяцев назад
Probably BMW
@HarleyDavidsonBreakout
@HarleyDavidsonBreakout 2 года назад
Hello, thanks for the video. I recently bought a Renault Megane 3, unfortunately the clutch is difficult to move and my foot hurts. I asked some people what the problem could be. They said the printing plate had to be changed. Now this week I will change the Completely clutch with the help of your videos. What do you think for the hard common clutch? is it printing plate or could something be different? 197000km 1.5 diesel year 2013, thank you again
@WMCS
@WMCS 2 года назад
It’s definitely the pressure plate.
@HarleyDavidsonBreakout
@HarleyDavidsonBreakout 2 года назад
@@WMCS thank you Kevin 👍🏼
@HarleyDavidsonBreakout
@HarleyDavidsonBreakout 2 года назад
@@WMCS Thanks, after changing these three parts, the clutch pedal became lighter, but I still have a slight pain under my foot after driving, without the engine running I hear quiching when coupling under the pedal. Maybe something is right with the master cylinder and slave cylinder?
@pawemagdon6611
@pawemagdon6611 2 года назад
good job!!!
@danielbryl452
@danielbryl452 Год назад
Witaj kolejna dobra robota👍👍👍👍👌Jakiej marki używasz narzędzi?Pozdrawiam.👋
@WMCS
@WMCS Год назад
All tools are SEALEY PRO
@danielbryl452
@danielbryl452 Год назад
@@WMCS 👍
@SaidSaid-se5wf
@SaidSaid-se5wf 3 года назад
Tres bon travail
@bensalemriad7647
@bensalemriad7647 9 месяцев назад
Good job bro
@khenmarwan686
@khenmarwan686 4 года назад
Big thanks
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Khen Marwan glad the video came through for you ... thanks for visiting the channel
@saturn0745
@saturn0745 4 года назад
hello ... i am wrong ... are you doing the same clutches ... ???
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Marek Drużyński no they are all different
@Headspacesounds
@Headspacesounds 4 года назад
What is the sensor taken out at 8:55?
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
Matthew Calder that’s the cranck shaft sensor ...
@Headspacesounds
@Headspacesounds 4 года назад
Kevin-Albert Williams thanks! Though so
@groutness9052
@groutness9052 4 года назад
Renault Megane mk3 1.5 dci 106bh my selector shifter moves up and down is that normal
@WMCS
@WMCS 4 года назад
derek groutage is literally lifting up.. or North and South movement...
@katwill9251
@katwill9251 5 лет назад
57.8k veiws on your channel
@fscnuno
@fscnuno 2 года назад
Good job! What about the gearbox oil?
@peterdavies7121
@peterdavies7121 Год назад
He drained it didn't he at the start of video
@maurizio27986
@maurizio27986 Год назад
Gracias me re sirvió el video
@NIXGlaub
@NIXGlaub 3 года назад
Great Job👍
@jafarjafar1063
@jafarjafar1063 4 месяца назад
Gut ❤❤❤❤❤
@abdelhakemebreka8259
@abdelhakemebreka8259 Год назад
You are perfect but I think your forgot Oil the transmission
@WMCS
@WMCS Год назад
Oh dear
@kmmketty
@kmmketty 2 года назад
Bravo efficace
@125sm3
@125sm3 4 года назад
Make it look easy
@salehinkamal
@salehinkamal 3 года назад
Maybe can help me find out the problem, mine in a scenic semi automatic, 1.5 dci. The gear sometime works normal , and sometime it won't move from the first gear to other, speed won't go up and even if it does, it will take forever to go from 0 to 10-15 and than the gear kicks in, someday the gear will just stall and won't work, error comes as check gearbox but after a stop and start it goes away. Sometime it won't move in reverse, it will straight go to neutral while the gear is in reverse. But if I bring it to manual and change ,drive few second and try to engage it again in automatic, it starts working. I am completely clueless to what is happening, can you help
@salehinkamal
@salehinkamal 3 года назад
Btw it sometime will also just rave up but the speed won't increase..
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