2020 7.3L Godzilla Tune and dyno results from Livernois Motorsports! 

The engine itself is not designed for anything over 15% ethanol. With some.modification I'm sure it could run it, but if it's anything like my 5.0 was terrible mileage and not much power compared to regular.

@@mc66683 it's well known that it takes 1.4 gallons of E85 to go as far as 1 gallon of gasoline. Yes. You get way worse fuel mileage using E85.

2021 e350 7.3 is flexfuel so it'll probably show up in the super duty also.

E85 is very corrosive.

If you run e85 without a tune it will be garbage. With a tune it basically becomes poor man's race fuel.

Still at 430 hp 🤣🤣

Christopher Williams nope, GM blew it

@@JeepCherokeeful Nope?

Christopher Williams putting only a 6 speed automatic behind was an epic fail.

The H.O. Ecoboost would win in a pull. Has more overall power and way more power in the low end. The difference is the 3.5L wouldn't be suited for the long term work the 7.3L is.

@@JeepCherokeeful Yeah for sure, but they're all buddy's now and so Damn even, it's kind of stupid. I believe, based on overall band, the 7.3 would dig in, and the 3.5 H.O. May be too low, if that makes sense. For sure, the 7.3's will still be roaming dinosaurs in 2050, just like a lot of mid 90's F-150's today. I see a lot of them around here and I live in snowville U.S.A. in Northern Michigan where the Great Lakes provide lake effect snow, and Canada hands us the 0 degrees in January. My Ford fires right up in the ice-cold conditions. Chevy guys can say what they want, but Ford has everything we'd want in engine choices and enough workhorses 7.3 P.S. that will still be running I 2050 right along with the Godzilla gasser. Ford is on top, love them or not, they give us everything.

give us a call and we can answer all of your questions 313-561-5500

Its actually almost the same external size as a small block Ford😁😁😁

I thought it was a small block 7.3

Its a small block

What’s the difference between a big small block and a small big block? Don’t answer that!

It’s not a big block. I thought too lol. SVT Performance saying it’s a small block. Basically big block parts in it.

DannyD Dude the mpg isn't that bad. I'm averaging 17-18 depending on wind. I've gotten as much as 19 just by keeping it at 70 or just below. Rpm stay right around 1800. Once over 70 mph rpm start to jump up and the mpg goes down. But even on a long highway trip averaging 76 mpg I still got 16.7 mpg. All stock no tune.

People don’t buy trucks for the fuel mileage. The fuel mileage does become a factor when calculating your operating costs, say if the truck was to be used commercially. Maximum range is another desirable trait where fuel economy plays a major role. Also, some truck buyers (myself included), like to know that we are doing our little part to minimize the impact of excess fuel emissions to our precious planet 🌎. If I can choose between multiple trucks that meet or exceed my needs, why shouldn’t fuel economy be taken into consideration? I’ll never understand the folks that ramble on about ‘not buying a truck for it’s fuel efficiency’ or the tried and true ‘If you can afford that truck, you can afford the fuel to run it’. 🙄

We actually do support the 06.5-2020 Chrysler vehicles, so we've got you covered!

@@LivernoisMotorsportsOh snap, as soon as Covid calms down, I will be blowing up your website and phone! Thanks!

Us as well!

So this did not have an intake and tune when dyno'd? Im pretty impressed

Hahaha! No kidding. Also at 0:15, he's talking about the "history" of the 7.3. LOL! Stop talking it up. If it's really all the great it will speak for itself!

Hope you had a better 6.0 experience to my friends I know they were good engines but they did a fundamental thing about the head bolts and lots of mechanics at the time didn't know how to work on them and created some problems and they had to be replaced with studs. But the 600 wasn't in perfect engine it just was a transitional one word mechanics were we're working from a new platform instead of torque specs you had to turn it a little bit more on the head bolts and that's not what most people were used to they were working on them and Ford makes a lot of trucks and a lot of people didn't know how to work on them at that time. Go Ford my favorite truck but I should have been the CEO so I could have corrected some of this stuff and I would have been and I'm stoppable Force with Ford

@@jamesfleming3960 That’s the joke. The 6.0s are terrible

Exactly!

Kind of like how Ford keeps up with Chevy 6.2 and Mopar 6.4s with 5.0s? Yes, very impressive.

You missing the part where this is power at the wheels and not crank ratings?

@No toilet paper, woke up thinking Sanders had won e85 fuel , 85% ethanol 15% gas

We're pretty excited for it!

benjaminwayneb right, this guy knows less than the average ford enthusiast

There's a pushrod baby godzilla in development to replace the 6.2

@@cyborg2048 you have any sources for that claim?

@@milfhunter310compton sorry should have stated there's rumor of its development. The 6.2 has been around awhile and a pushrod will be cheaper to produce it does make sense unless they are just gonna phase the 6.2 out for the 7.3

All Ford needs to do is create a DOHC 6.2. With 4 cams alone easy 500Hp/Trq . Ford has done great with OHC V8. Not knocking the Godzilla I love it. But essentially a BB coyote revving out to 7k rpm would make as much power or more than the push rod Godzilla.

We do offer a tune for 91 octane as well, it makes about 4hp less in a few spots, but is line for line on most of the run.

Why did you buy a truck and replace it a year later

@@jordannash153 lml

@@jordannash153 because I put 80,000 on it in a yr and got a good deal.the 19 was paid for. Its actually the one in the picture. I got a black one now🤦‍♂️So hard to keep clean.lol

We'd love to see an aluminum block as well!

@@LivernoisMotorsports Put a big single turbo on it and drop it in that white new edge outlaw 10.5 mustang. Lol.

If you want a modern Boss 429 Kaase builds one, the Boss Nine. Or Hammerhead performance has Boss 429 semi-hemi style heads for the Windsor small blocks

Give us a call, our tuners are currently on special until 4/30/2020 313-561-5500

We do offer that as a no cost option, yes

loud as hell

They definitely are, theres already more than a few engine mount kits for different chassis, as well as swap headers, and carburetor intakes. Then all you need is something like an msd box to control the ignition 👍

Yes, and carried over for the wheelbase as well.

With the substantial drivetrain loss through the Super Duty, this is what we would expect. Throw a coyote in this and it'll make substantially less at the tire than in a Mustang.

Unfortunately not, they remain impossible to tune.

That's 18 years advance GM HAS ON THIS SLED

@@WhiteManXRP GM is junk

Why does every single GM dick smoker bring up the Corvette in every single conversation?

Its a dog....should be 475 hp 545 tork from factory.....read some towiing forums.....cant haul much more than 13,000

Octane only makes power by allowing extra timing to be dialed into the engine. High octane (91-93 octane) fuel is actually harder to ignite. It's a less volatile fuel than 87 octane. So the high octane fuel itself doesn't make extra power, the extra timing does

While tuning can void your warranty, this is a gross oversimplification. But if you are saying that the total number of failed engines is a higher number (not percentage wise) with tunes than without, sorry, that's not possible. The vast majority of people do not modify their vehicles calibration, yet they still fail engines, some at such a high rate that dealerships keep them on the shelf ready to go at a moments notice. This is from every manufacturer, no matter the make. GM had their LS7 and L92 Valve drop issue, their DOD/AFM lifter problems, Ford has their 3V cam phaser issues, 3.5 EcoBoost water pump and timing chain issues, 2.3 Head gasket problems, and Chrysler their 3.6 rocker arm, 5.7 MDS failures, and hemi water pump failures. Basically, that a tune may be installed on an engine that fails, but it does not mean that the tune caused it to fail as there are substantial warranty repairs on engines without modifications.

Ford will definitely use this as a warranty denial. Ford denied me warranty work on totally stock vehicles, especially the 6.0 powerjoke, and hated it when I would then diagnose it in the parking lot with the tech present, and then they had to perform the warranty repairs. Truth is, each dealer will treat you differently, but my local dealer is very discouraging. Great to see the tunes, atleast if you blow a motor it does not cost what the new powerstroke would and you could probably do it at home! That 7.3 looks reasonable for any private mechanic to work on. Would love to get one of these trucks in the next year.

@@laszlovass7326 It greatly depends on the dealer, that's for sure. But I would definitely say that being honest with them is paramount.

It will be interesting to see the results!

That's true with almost all modern vehicles, it's not from being rich, it's from particulate matter due to emissions related items.

Cool but the payload of a 1500 probably doesn't come close to that of an F-250 or 350.

Being these have nowhere near the cylinder pressures a diesel sees, it would not need any upgrades for that.

Well, this truck is part of a project for natural gas and propane conversions, so it's been repurposed for those programs. But it may make an appearance again on the performance side of things!

@@LivernoisMotorsports thanks for the reply! Looking forward to more videos!

I spec and purchase ambulances that run in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California, we have ways run diesels on our f350 4x4 ambulances that have a curb weight of 15k. Just purchased a 2020 7.3 gas f350 4x4 ambulance, and all I can say is bye bye diesel, never again will I buy another, the 7.3 gets the same mileage, pulls the grades just as well, can idle all day without emission system problems, way cheaper to service, maintain and fuel.

As far as answering your actual question, honestly it's pulls about equal to my tuned v10 power wise. Now getting there, and maintaining speed, through this 10 speed is a dream. 4.30 rears on both. Fuel mileage is a big improvement. I'm seeing around13-13.5 towing between 6 & 10k lbs. Going from 6500' down to 4500' and back up.

I should also add it's got an intake, 4" cat back exhaust, a lighter wheel that stock, and slightly taller tire ~2". I also do very very little in town driving, most of my commute is done at 55 in 10th. Unloaded I see ~ 15.5-16

It's not a piggy back, or a need to send your PCM here, we sell you our mycalibrator tuner and it is used to get the tunes into the truck.

While the exhaust requires no changes, air intakes in these sometimes do. So datalogging may be featured.

We do indeed offer tunes you can load on your own.

Livernois Motorsports & Engineering good to know.

Personally seen a Ford 6.2 crush the gm 6.6. Had both as rented work trucks..that 6.6 is a dog.

Probably not much difference. I had a 2011 Mustang. According to Ford, it had 400hp on 87 and 412hp on 91...and the Coyote was higher revving engine so it would likely enjoy more of a difference. It would have been interesting to dyno it to see for sure, though.

So long as the headers are 50-state legal, and don't require tuning, it's entirely up to you the order that you decide to do the modifications in.

Well, this is as close as you can get :)

Only in your wallet being lighter.

The old 7.3 DIESEL was made by International. This engine is GAS and made by Ford.

It will long term replace both, the V10 is still alive and kicking as well as the 6.2L, but this is the eventual replacement for both.

We have some upcoming releases for parts and pieces on this, yes. We do also include transmission tuning with these as well, however, they do not have separate TCM, the engine and trans calibrations are both in 1 PCM.

@@LivernoisMotorsports looking forward to it. I am considering tuning my truck. my only concern is when it comes to warranty work.

@@anthonyc993 We always recommend being honest with your dealership, most of the time they're quite accepting of tuning.

Our MyCalibrator tuner, and custom tunes, run $599.99 currently.

most customers have reported an increase in mileage with it.

Actually, we have this truck in our facility for long term development.

@@LivernoisMotorsports I figured as much. It looks like a sleeper parts/errand truck in the making

Jay Smith Our thoughts exactly!

Absolutely!

Long term, it is replacing both. Although the 6.8 still lives today as well. but this will be one engine to replace 2.

I mean.... they removed the 6.8L from commercial and RV use for 2020 with the 7.3l. Im not arguing. Just stating that ford has removed the 6.8L by replacing it with the 7.3L. Ford id going back to a 3 engine option set up like they had 99-2010 with the 5.4/6.8/diesel options they are now 6.2/7.3/6.7.

He is doing good! :)

Oh, it will, just give it some time. Just like the 6.2 replaced the 5.4 3v. There was about 5 years of overlap on the 2, but the 6.2 was always intended to replace the 5.4, and the 7.3 replaces 2 engines, the 6.2 and the 6.8 v10

I’ve been told there phasing out the 6.2 ? As soon as everything has the ten sped transmission its gone I had a 18’ 6.2 and now I have a 7.3 10:speed no comparison that 6.2 is a turd

@@rosekransconst.2495 I will beg to differ with you. I had a 6.2 in my f-150 platinum and let me tell you for a truck with 115000 miles on it it ran like a champ and would think it would have gone 300000 miles if I had kept it. The 6.2 replaced the ill designed 5.4 3v as it was the least reliable engine ford made. I would hold judgement on them replacing the 6.2 with this 7.3 as we have no idea the actual reliability of this new engine.

@@LivernoisMotorsports Not that you are not up to scratch but I will hold judgement on replacing the reliable 6.2 with this engine after it has some miles on it. Remember the 5.4 engines were a horrible design and needed a replacement because of spark plug and cam phasing issues. The 6.2 is by far the most reliable engine ford has right now. Not even the 5.0 is as reliable as a 6.2.

@@graygryphon2008 it’s just a matter of time before everyone wants the 10 speed for fuel economy and power so unless ford changes there mind on if you can get a 10 speed with the 6.2 I don’t see it hanging around long plus for just released a new 3.0 twin turbo for the half ton/suv market with a 10 speed in the 3/4 market the 6.2 in horrible on fuel and power

We do support the 21, yes.

That's not the criteria, or the Ecoboost would win. This engine is superior for its intended application: frequent towing of heavy loads. That's why Ford picked this displacement.

If the issue you have is related to the powertrain it pretty much will allow Ford to deny warranty claims for those items. It won't void the entire warranty but one should never modify a vehicle beyond factory/OEM equivalent parts and expect the manufacturer to fix any damage potentially caused by that modification.

With how heavy it is, it doesn't seem likely. This was designed to be a truck engine from inception.

@@LivernoisMotorsports Could you recast the block out of something lighter?

@@Ccs4646 Well, technically anything is possible, but the cost for making a low volume aluminum block is probably close to the cost of billet, or around $6500-8500 per block.

by just the power 7.3 Has 430 HP 475 FT torque, Hemi has 410 HP and 430 ft torque, 6.6 Vortec 401 HP and 464 torque. Even The Fast Lane truck channel did a towing , 0-60 and MPG test between the 6.6 and 7.3 and ford won all competitions ...

@@StBeter-tc2te I haven't seen that test yet but its predictable the larger engine would tow better and have more torque and horsepower. That doesn't necassarily mean it's better in my opinion. There are a number of companies extensively modifying the 7.3's already and they're responding excellent but I haven't seen much on the 6.4 hemi or anybody modding the 6.6 GM so I think it's premature to say how much better it is. If the 6.6 is closely related to the LT family, it will be strong competition. Just pump the brakes before crowning the champ before the others strap on the gloves is all I'm saying

@@travispfannmuller7717 The 6.6 having direct injection is a big negative for reliability in a commercial vehicle.

That 10 speed really needs to be calculated in the comparison. I'm a Ford truck man. But I really think the added gears of the 10 speed give the 7.3 a edge over Chevy/Fiat. On a reliability I bet the Chevy 6.6/6 speed will last the longest vs the 8 speed Fiat and the 10 speed Ford.

Look up TFL's test towing up the gauntlet. 6.6 made it in 11min40'sh seconds. 7.3 made it in 8:40'sh. Don't remember the exact seconds. I would say that is a big win for the 7.3!! Yes maybe with a 10 speed the 6.6 would do better but the fact is they didn't use a 10 speed. Maybe next year!

In fairness, this does have a massive ring/pinion setup in it compared to more 1/4 trucks, so it eats up a ton of power.

@@LivernoisMotorsports good call! Both a larger ring gear and probably numerically higher axle ratio too. My truck is a 3.23 geared 9.76" axle on 32" tires.

But, without the complexity and cost of repair associated with direct injection, it's going to appeal more to it's fleet and commercial use clients.

@@LivernoisMotorsports however "crushes the competition" is not nearly accurate, and more emotion/hype with only 11 while being bigger anyways. Look, I am a long time GM gas "for a reason", the actual right reason. And during the decades of better power from more efficient engines than anyone, Ford was still "selling more trucks" but not because they were better. It was hype then too, puffery/advertising, many factors other than them being mechanically better. Then you could more easily and cheaper build and tune GM trucks/LS engines for more power than Ford or Dodge. But I'm first a Realist, not a hype person. And so I am literally here seeing your video after others, to verify if I'd consider one if the performance and potential performance are rightly there finally with Ford. So I just hear you say something of hype basis and not reality. You can certainly get excited about something but making statements outside what your business and auto understanding should be, doesn't fare well for many people. Talking like you don't know what you should leaves bad taste. Further evidenced by mention of this engine "replaced the 6.2" when it didn't. Just another thing you should know and easily verify if you were really in the truck industry working on and doing "continuing education" for your craft. If I'm not mistaken, your improvements for this 7.3 are lower than others as well. So, too many things come together to let you know that you should tighten up your game, even minus the last point about the improvements, again in case I'm mistaken. Just constructive feedback, if it matters well to you.

@@HTSS8 The long term intent for this engine is to replace multiple engine's in it's lineup. the 6.2 F250/F350 (and since this is an F250, it is specifically going to replace it as the 6.2 is phased out) as well as the 6.8 V10 in F53, and potentially E-series. So it's still a true statement that it's the eventual replacement for 6.2L. Your argument is sort of similar to what people said in the early 90's that the 4.6 wasn't the replacement for the 5.0, just because they kept making the 5.0 alongside it, but eventually, everything that had a 302/351 got some form of modular engine replacing them. Ford has always had a "slow death march" to discontinuing it's gasoline powertrains. So using the argument that they still make the 6.2L, so the 7.3L can't be it's replacement doesn't hold much water. Remember, we have unique insight that your average performance shop doesn't when it comes to areas such as this.

@@LivernoisMotorsports You're back peddling and trying to save face now, while making it worse for your boasted "insight" shop. #1 I didn't say it wouldn't eventually replace it, and that's not what you said either. You said it did. As I inferred, you're a bit over anxious and inexperienced at presentation/speaking, speaking too nervous and with hype. So you could do well with some public speaking classes after English vocabulary continuing education (I.e. "Replaced" compared to "Will replace eventually") Though your "argument" is classic car guy/performance shop too proud to admit wrong or even slip up mistake. All you had to say was "yeah you're right, I should've said "will replace". But now after the gloss over the other over hyped statement about the "crushes the competition", it's in perfect consistency for you to be trying to back peddle this one. #2 You're completely unansering the performance you got (the unique insight shop) that's below others. Sir, you need to sleep several nights on the old adage "even a fool is thought wise when he keeps his mouth shut". In this case of textual threads, the application is don't type a comment back at all. As it seems you spent a good bit of time to reply to create a sound sounding reply/argument with eloquent words that don't match your live speech style or confidence. Go ahead and just stick to wrenching, you're not a business face man. At least not yet. With some proper industry [complete] education and public speaking classes, you could be. But if humility and admitting your at minimum simple errors is too much for you, then you'll never be.

The drivetrain loss is dramatically greater on a 3/4 and 1ton truck compared to a 1/2 ton, so the 2.7 in this would lose about another 40-60hp through the driveline compared to the f150.

@@LivernoisMotorsports Im going by your dyno numbers, which correct me if im wrong are calculated at the wheel post drivetrain loss. I am a fan of what you guys do, had a Livernois OTS focus st tune.

@@4g63fourlife Yes, they are at the wheel after all drivetrain loss happens. We're glad you enjoyed our tuning!

We're looking forward to that!

We're not sure where that math is coming from. These make 430hp stock and a heavy duty truck has far more loss through the drivetrain than a 1/2 ton truck does. Approaching 30% in some tire/wheel combos. This one is about 25% loss through the driveline, so this would be about 465 at the crank for just a tune

Dont ask Hmm, maybe if it were in a Mustang, but in a truck, torque is king. We're keeping our eyes on that Whipple system!

Which one could argue was a rip off of the small block Ford.

Actually that LS ripped off Ford's Windsor motor...what a crime that's the only way "G"ARBAGE "M"ATERIAL figured out how to make some real horsepower

Not if you count each link on the timing chain as a part

*Fewer moving parts. Nope. Each bank of cylinders has to have a camshaft if they are overhead on a Vee engine. With a pushrod, it has one camshaft for both banks.

Ok.. so does the Honda S2000 motor.. who cares? 😆😂 lol

@@R_Tower I think the next gen 7.3 will really show some numbers I was poking at how ford went pi pretty quick with the mod motors

Considering the mass and drivetrain loss, it's quite impressive, remember the entire driveline is built for durability and longevity, not efficiency. so it's likely at least double the amount of loss that a Camaro, Challenger, or Mustang.

We haven't had one on our dyno yet for apples to apples comparisons.

Mike K While we love the LS engine, that's a little like saying GM copied the Windsor engine when they did the LS. Sure, there are some commonalities, but there are more differences than similarities