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2020 SDR Guide Ep 4 : Antenna Basics for SDR Beginners inc RTL-SDR / Nooelec NESDR SMArt bundle 

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Your antenna is the most important part of your SDR installation. Need to know how to best use an antenna with your Software Defined Radio? This is a great intro video to the subject.
Learn how to use the antennas that came with your RTL-SDR blog bundle or Nooelec NESDR SMArt bundle!
Details also provided on other popular antenna types like Discones and Dipoles, and there are details on how to make your own dipole.
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Комментарии : 182   
@wb7ond
@wb7ond 3 года назад
Hi, great video, lots of interesting info, I wanted to point out that from 5.6db of loss, twice as much signal (logarithmic) loss would be 8.6db of loss. When dealing with db every 3db is a double or a half for -3db in your signal loss power. So from 5.6 db to 11.0 db of loss, the difference in db is 5.4 (close to 6) it would be close to quadruple (half and half again) the loss in signal power from one end to the other... db can be tricky if you don't take into account the logarithmic (sp) nature of the numbers.. Regards WB7OND...
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
@wb7ond thanks for pointing that out. It is easy to forget the scale is dB and just great it as a linear value! You are absolutely right about the logarithmic nature of RF power measured in dB. I'll pin your comment to the top so viewers of the video can read it right after watching.
@BurblyWurbly
@BurblyWurbly 3 года назад
FR, thank you for not having extended musical/graphical opening segments, and for not a lot of pointless blibber-blabber just to extend the length of your vids. Only rich content. So nice.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
I'm glad you appreciate that Bruce. Straight to the point, with a maximum 5 second intro is how we do it around here! Not targeting act specific run time for the virus either. The goal is to get the info out. Hopefully without too much waffle ;-)
@dawsonbuckland5775
@dawsonbuckland5775 3 месяца назад
3 years late on this comment , but absolutely wonderful course so far! There is nothing I appreciate more than someone who is obviously passionate about this subject teaching something they love so well!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 месяца назад
Thank you.
@satorizero5448
@satorizero5448 9 месяцев назад
I love the audio quality... very radio-like... 😄
@eddiekilby
@eddiekilby 2 года назад
Finally a Sdr video that doesn't require you to be a ham operator to comprehend.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
That's the hope!
@SDWNJ
@SDWNJ 3 года назад
A suggestion for a future video topic would be "working with coax." You could discuss tools used (strippers/crimpers/continuity testers) and maybe demonstrate their use.
@bart.grantham
@bart.grantham 3 года назад
Outstanding video! This is incredibly helpful to SDR newbies like me. Your demonstration of the basic telescoping antenna and the effect is has on the signal was great, I'm never going to forget that.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Good to hear, thanks for your comments Bart.
@tomallen6073
@tomallen6073 3 года назад
Nice to have things in laymen’s terms for beginners. You are providing a great service for the hobby at the most important level. Thanks.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
You're welcome Tom. Thanks for your comments.
@paularcher128
@paularcher128 3 года назад
An excellent series of videos, many thanks for taking the time and trouble to produce these, been using SDRs' since 2011, learnt lots from your videos
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Glad you're enjoying and finding them beneficial!
@MountainMan7.62x39
@MountainMan7.62x39 11 месяцев назад
Your description of sizing a dipole antenna really helped me understand today. It wasn't until you laid it out that I really got it. I'm brand new to this. I appreciate it.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 11 месяцев назад
I'm so glad this explanation was helpful! Thanks for your comment.
@kombatwombat6579
@kombatwombat6579 7 месяцев назад
This was awesome. Three years later you have taught me a lot of basics I clearly needed. Thanks.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 7 месяцев назад
Excellent. Glad to hear the video has been helpful!
@manishbhoola
@manishbhoola 2 года назад
Very focused and wealth of information with basics and background. Very practical advice opened up a world of using equipment without spending $$$
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment 🙂
@renewii
@renewii 3 года назад
Duude! Thanks for making these videos. I'm learning a lot about things I didn't know about SDR thanks to you, Greetings from Mexico
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Greetings to you! I'm pleased to hear the channel is helpful for you 😃
@marsrocket
@marsrocket 2 года назад
Fantastic video. I’m frequently surprised at the quality of free instructional videos on RU-vid.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
Thanks Daniel.
@MrClamcutter
@MrClamcutter 3 года назад
Great info I just got the nooelec v4 and needed the info you provided as I live in a condo in Calgary thanks and I look forward to the next instalment
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Glad I've been able to help! Lots to listen to in Calgary 😃
@TeologiaArtesanal
@TeologiaArtesanal 3 года назад
This videos is simply perfect and insightful. I can use 75 OHM cable for RX use. I love that! Thank u so much bro!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
No worries man. Enjoy your antenna experiments!
@dsmidt
@dsmidt 3 года назад
Great video. Technically accurate and fun to watch. Keep it up!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Thank you Dale!
@alimahdi6379
@alimahdi6379 2 года назад
Excellent job. Thanks for the great info. 3 things I really liked ; working through the tables, experimenting with antenna lengths and showing it live, and suggesting USB extension over long coax. Liked, subscribed, w/ bell.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
Thanks for the feedback and for subscribing. Welcome to the channel!
@alimahdi6379
@alimahdi6379 2 года назад
@@FrugalRadio thanks 💐
@pancerneparadoksy1410
@pancerneparadoksy1410 3 года назад
Thank you for the great introduction material - respect for you!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
You're welcome
@UncleTerry
@UncleTerry 2 года назад
thank you for this content. I'm just getting started in amateur radio and SDR
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
You are welcome. It's great to have you on the channel!
@omnishambles5110
@omnishambles5110 Год назад
Thanks for this, I needed a crash course in antenna theory after getting the SDR dongle.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
You're welcome. I'm glad the video was helpful!
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 3 года назад
Good video! A lot of really useful information here. Thanks!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Cheers!
@gusdx3654
@gusdx3654 3 года назад
Great explanation, as usual. I have been using YouLoop antenna with great results on HF and VHF and even on UHF (70 cm band). Fantastic SNR results. Thanks for your input in previous video.
@omgwtfkthxbai
@omgwtfkthxbai 3 года назад
YooLoop on UHF? Really? Which SDR device? Hell, I really do have to buy one of those antennae. XD
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
The YouLoop is quite a fascinating antenna. I'm pleased to hear it is working out well for you Gustavo. Evidently in VHF (probably UHF too) it operates somewhat like a folded dipole.
@gusdx3654
@gusdx3654 3 года назад
omgwtfkthxbai for UHF I was using the Icom IC R-30
@gusdx3654
@gusdx3654 3 года назад
Frugal Radio right!
@brazoon1
@brazoon1 Год назад
Gona get me one of those little dipole antennas. I wish the Nooelec came with one!
@NilsKullberg
@NilsKullberg 3 года назад
Good information. Nice video. I like! Big thanks!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Cheers.
@faelcorreia
@faelcorreia 3 года назад
What an amazing video! Thank you so much!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
You are most welcome Rafael. I'm glad it was helpful.
@cranefly23
@cranefly23 3 года назад
Very useful! Thank you very much.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful Perry. Thanks for the comment.
@omgwtfkthxbai
@omgwtfkthxbai 3 года назад
Excellent video! Your discussion about antenna tuning was spot on! And I laughed when I saw your laptop, because mine's a Dell, too!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Yeah, so many people think you get better reception by making it longer when sometimes the exact opposite is true!
@omgwtfkthxbai
@omgwtfkthxbai 3 года назад
@@FrugalRadio I certainly thought so, as a child, trying to get the old TV's rabbit ears to work! XD I've learned a lot since then. =) Looking forward to your next episode!
@barrymeyer2805
@barrymeyer2805 3 года назад
Great info, thank you
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
You're welcome Scott. Glad you found it useful!
@DavefromCA2023
@DavefromCA2023 3 месяца назад
"Welcome to frugal radio." Looks like I am in the right place lol
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 месяца назад
Ha ha! All good then!
@DaisyHollowBooks
@DaisyHollowBooks 3 года назад
I’m from the US. I wish we would switch to metric tomorrow!!! This is very helpful antenna info!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Yeah, I've lived in North America a long time (heading back later this month) and Imperial drove me nuts!!!
@accesser
@accesser 3 месяца назад
Thanks for taking the time to produce this video, You do a great job at explaining, I have my first SDR (Airspy HF+ Discovery ) on its way to me in Australia and a passive magnetic loop antenna Regarding the adapters @14:27, would a standard TV antenna on the roof be worth the adapters, would it cover any interesting frequency's or not
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 месяца назад
Thanks for your kind comments. Regarding your TV antenna, it is most likely highly directional. That enables it to pick up signals on a given frequency from further away. However, the cost is that it doesn't pick up many signals from any other direction. Do usually TV antennas don't work well for SDRs. We usually want to receive signals from multiple directions. Even a long wire of random length will provide interesting results on HF.
@generalawareness101
@generalawareness101 3 года назад
I prefer RG11 if I know I am going for the weak signals and want to eek out as much signal as I can plus I can manage how thick/stiff it is (great to bury as well) otherwise RG6.
@DanTheAngryModder
@DanTheAngryModder 2 года назад
I use the TRAM 1410 along a home built vertical (vertical has 4 band ranges on separate elements). I also use, strangely enough, a terrestrial HDTV antenna turned sideways, so the elements are vertical. The TRAM picks up more, but weakly when it does being a zero gain antenna. The home built vertical is most sensitive and unidirectional but prone to picking up RFI when any gain is applied via the SDR. The best overall, for targeting repeaters is that $40 tv antenna. Despite being essentially directional, it has a range that is almost double of the vertical 4 element unit, and will pick up other signals outside it's 'cone' at or about as good as the TRAM so long as it's not sourcing from directly behind it. I always use RG6 quad.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
A very interesting report on your antenna performance Daniel. Thanks for sending this!
@FabioSpelta
@FabioSpelta 3 года назад
This is the most informative and divulgative video I've seen about this topic so far, thank you so much, I'm so glad you created this channel! That being said, here's one more request You mentioned "low swr" about the discone antenna. That's an acronym I've stumbled upon before but could not understand despite trying. Wikipedia defines it as "a measure of impedance matching of loads to the characteristic impedance of a transmission line or waveguide." which leaves me totally puzzled. Do you thing it could make sense to create some videos to explain this and similar concepts to newbies? Assuming that it would be possible to simplify such a topic to make it available to a wide audience. It might not be the case maybe.Thanks and congratulations again for this video and the channel overall.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Thanks Fabio. I will make a note to do a video on SWR. It is helpful for me to know when I use phrases people are unfamiliar with. When you've been in the hobby a while it is possible to overlook terms like this.
@omgwtfkthxbai
@omgwtfkthxbai 3 года назад
Here's a great follow up to Ep 4: Frugal filters. I have a FM radio broadcast in town that's causing ghosting along the FM band on my RTL-SDR (at the very least. Probably lots of other problems). Ultimately, I'd love to see a DIY 'bubblegum-and-paperclip' solution that filters out exactly 200 kHz centred on that specific frequency...but...I'll take what I can get! XD
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Good idea. I'm fortunate enough that I haven't been overpowered by local transmitters since I moved away from GRE / Whistler scanners. The Unidens have been much better for me, and the SDRs haven't overloaded either.
@TheKetsa
@TheKetsa Год назад
Thanks for using metric.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
Ha ha, no problem. Metric is my first 'language'!
@MichiganPeatMoss
@MichiganPeatMoss 2 года назад
Nov 2021: Might one run several different types of coax depending on which part of the band is being scanned? Perhaps RG6 in paralllel with RG8X to possibly two independent antennas?
@LieuweHummel
@LieuweHummel 3 года назад
Putting my lingering interest into practice, I've recently bought the RTL-SDR kit. I've experimented a bit with it and it loads of fun. Searching the 'net for information, I stumbled on this video which helped me understand some basic things about antenna's. Thanks for that! Now I'm curious and I want to know more! Can you advise me on some books/guides/lectures on the principles why certain antennas work best for certain use cases? PS: no need to apologize for not understanding the imperial system. Only 3 countries in the world are using them ;)
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Hello @Lieuwe Hummel. I don't actually have any resources on this myself - there has just been a lot of trial and error over the years! However there very many books and videos on the subject. Have a look at some of the Amateur Radio sites - www.arrl.org/how-antennas-work might be a good starting off point.
@SDWNJ
@SDWNJ 3 года назад
The ARRL also has a book titled "Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur." I bought a copy recently but haven't read too much of it yet.
@davidallyn1818
@davidallyn1818 Год назад
Of course it's my antenna placement :/ I do know better - we have plaster walls (the plaster is embedded in a metal lath). since the metal is grounded by nature of being attached to the building, it's probably acting as a signal dampener. That means I need a better antenna mounted on my building's roof (which I'm sure I can do). THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
Troubleshooting. There's always plenty of that, and experimentation in this hobby!
@MrTonyd1954
@MrTonyd1954 3 года назад
Great video as usual. Can you recommend a book or video that shows a newbie on how to attach the connectors to the cable? Thanks
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
There are probably a few good videos on RU-vid here, but I wouldn't be able to point you to any specifics in afraid. An amateur radio club might also a great place to learn skills like this, even if you aren't licensed.
@MrTonyd1954
@MrTonyd1954 3 года назад
@@FrugalRadio thanks for the prompt response
@thehappieguy
@thehappieguy 2 года назад
Thank you for your informative channel. I now have my RTL-SDR blog V3 dongle and I'm receiving some signals in rural Alberta, a few (200 Kms) south of you. I've ordered the Tram 1410 antenna and the adapter kit. I'm planning to use the RG6 cable as you've suggested but would like to know what adapter I'll need from the antenna to the F adapter on the RG6 cable. Can you help me with that? I've watched most of your videos now in this series and I'm loving the hobby so far. Thank you again.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
You need an F female to SMA male adapter. Eg BOOBRIE SMA Coaxial Cable Connector SMA to F Coax Adapter SMA Connector SMA Male to F Female Adapter for LAN / LMR Wireless Antenna Devices / RF Coaxial Cable / WiFi Radios External Antenna Pack of 2 www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DDCJK98/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_N53KGWGJM76MKFH18T64
@thehappieguy
@thehappieguy 2 года назад
@@FrugalRadio Thank you so much for the quick reply. Love your channel.
@Jesus-Fistus
@Jesus-Fistus 2 года назад
i would love to see how you build the spider antenna
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
I'm actually planning on building another one over the next few months. Hopefully I'll get a video on it.
@chris_dixon
@chris_dixon 3 года назад
Thanks for this. I learned a lot. My local airport is about 40 miles away for me. Would I expect to be able to receive signals from its control tower using an SDR with a kit aerial?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Great question! 40 miles would be too far to pick up a local airport tower unless you had a clear line of site (for example you live on top of a hill and can see the airport). You could, however, expect to hear the aircraft talking to the controllers as the planes are much higher.
@omgwtfkthxbai
@omgwtfkthxbai 3 года назад
The short answer is: It depends. XD I have picked up ATC signals from as far as 100km (~60 miles), but it was a good day, as far as weather. And my antenna was LOS (line of sight). For best results, tune your antenna as described in this video.
@kevinmiller5383
@kevinmiller5383 6 месяцев назад
Where did you get that window telescopic dipole antenna? I can’t find it anywhere. Great video! Thank you very much!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 6 месяцев назад
It's part of the RTL-SDR Blog v3 package. amzn.to/2YKlh6p
@kevinmiller5383
@kevinmiller5383 6 месяцев назад
@@FrugalRadio thanks for the quick reply! I’m so sorry but I can’t see that antenna you had stuck to your window and busted to see the noise floor change anywhere in that link? Can you be more specific?
@kevinmiller5383
@kevinmiller5383 6 месяцев назад
It looks like the link has changed to point to the nooelec. I eventually watched one of your other videos and found the antenna package with the rtl-SDR v4. I don’t think they sell v3 anymore, or at least I couldnt find it. Thanks for all your knowledge! Go Alberta!
@HardwareHari
@HardwareHari 3 года назад
Bro , when will you be posting the 5th episode of rtl sdr series. Eagerly waiting for them.....
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Can't say at the moment. I'm going to be uploading a video explaining why this week.
@FabioSpelta
@FabioSpelta 3 года назад
Also, should the gap between the elements be taken into account? The RTL-SDR dipole have one or two centimeters of gap between the elements. For a UHF antenna that could make a significant percentage of the overall antenna lenght and I'm dubious whether I should take that into account or not and why. Thanks!!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Technically you should account for the gap, yes. Although small, it does make part of the overall length. Perhaps that's something I could have mentioned in the video. Although nothing in the hall is working as an element, it does contribute to the overall length. The dipole is designed to 'catch' a wave of a certain length. If it is too long, or too short, it doesn't perfectly catch the wave. At UHF and higher frequencies this would make the most difference. Best thing to do is experiment! Take measurements from the length of your telescopic whips, and measure against the SNR in your software.
@SDWNJ
@SDWNJ 3 года назад
I've been looking at coax on HomeDepot and Lowes websites and I see that there is dual and quad shielded coax. Do you think quad is worth the extra expense? Also, wrt the cable tv active splitter boxes - as they're designed more for VHF/UHF, how well do they handle HF?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
My active TV splitter seems to have a high pass filter at 25 MHz, so it doesn't work for HF at all. An active splitter like that might also introduced a lot of noise into the HF bands. As for dual / quad shield, it depends on which frequencies you'll be listening to most. I just use the regular RG6.
@mbatson13
@mbatson13 2 года назад
Anyone know how got that visual display of how well his antenna was tuned? I have a newer version of the software but have no idea how he's testing the antenna. I didn't know that was thing. 11:42 is where it starts.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
I think you are referring to the Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR) part of the display. To view that you may need to zoom in to the signal a little. Position your mouse pointer between the 2 red bandwidth lines. It then pops up giving the readings.
@jalpa9642
@jalpa9642 2 года назад
Thanks again....With a Dipole Antenna, is the reception any better by it being Vertical or Horizontal....? =)
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
Generally you want the antenna to be in the same orientation as the transmitting antenna. For VHF & UHF general reception, vertical is used most
@jalpa9642
@jalpa9642 2 года назад
@@FrugalRadio Thanks.....! =)
@alleycatjack4562
@alleycatjack4562 2 года назад
Do you have a suggestion for a good LNA to use on a dipole with the range of 25 - 1300MHz?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
I heard good reports about the RTL-SDR blog wideband LNA (amzn.to/3JKIryg) and the LNA4All (lna4all.blogspot.com/). Please note I have not used either of these products, so can't give you a personal recommendation.
@ernieferguson6346
@ernieferguson6346 3 года назад
just got my RTL-SDR v3 working with HDLSDR, havent suceded in even getting sdr sharp to even startup successfully. Ya know I knew antenna size made a difference but wow that's huge. You can also order a T-31 1-1 balun on antenna to coax & T-43 7-1 on 61' dipole in inverted V Laying across roof or just above it you get best of both worlds. At least a HAM friend told me.. I'm about to set mine up soon when I get balun cores in mail I will prob do a video.. Also gonna figure an antenna for listing to Fire... Fire station is a block away..
@ernieferguson6346
@ernieferguson6346 3 года назад
t-43 on coax to sdr dongle
@omgwtfkthxbai
@omgwtfkthxbai 3 года назад
@@ernieferguson6346 That's odd. I had no trouble with SDR# Are you using a Mac, or a Linux computer? If so, that might be the problem.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
I'd certainly watch that video when you make it Ernie. Would be quite interesting to see how it performs. Obviously inverted V's are common on HF. I will be doing something on HF antennas in the future, but probably not for a few months.
@omgwtfkthxbai
@omgwtfkthxbai 3 года назад
@@FrugalRadio you're joking, right? A few MONTHS? 😲 But...but...antennae are the ears, man!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Ha ha, yes. I'm going to be relocating back to North America in a few weeks, then I have a mandatory 14 day quarantine to do, then I need to be getting a new job. Things are going to be rather busy!
@kevinrayner4923
@kevinrayner4923 Год назад
would it be possible to setup up two or more antenna's for different frequencies and connect them to a single coax lead without causing inference or would you need to separate leads, would the two antenna's need to be connected to 2 different sdr dongles also would the antenna's need to be further away from each other to avoid inference or could they be mounted on the same pole and if so how much separation would you need between antenna's
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
There are some instances when you can use a single coax to connect multiple antennas. A lot well depend on how you plan to use them. For example, if you are only using them to receive, it is easier. For this scenario you would use a diplexer. One antenna tuned for VHF, the other for UHF. Both antennas plug into the diplexer and share one coax cable going to the receiver. If connecting to 3 antennas you would use a triplexer. The generic term is multiplexer. Have a look around the web for diplexer, triplexer, or multiplexer. If you are transmitting, this changes things. For antenna placement, always try and keep transmit antennas as far from each other as you can. For receive, they can be closer together. I have often had rx antennas on the same pole. Try and keep at least a quarter wave of the lowest frequency being received between them. You can have one antenna mounted at the top of your mast, and 2 other antennas a little lower, branching out in different directions. There are many possible configurations.
@carlosedwardos
@carlosedwardos Год назад
start a Patreon so we can give you money for all of this good info!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
Thanks for the thought. You can always visit frugalradio.com/tips/ for one-time or monthly donations.
@rajilsaraswat9763
@rajilsaraswat9763 Год назад
Can we use an active signal booster if the cable length is very long?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
Yes. Most people use an LNA (Low Noise Amp). There are many to choose from. Some are frequency specific, others are wide band. The goal is always to position the LNA as close to the antenna as possible. If the LNA is positioned near the SDR or receiver, it is amplifying the lower level signal rather than pushing the stronger signal further.
@heyheyjaytube
@heyheyjaytube Год назад
Can I connect directly to antenna? I want to set up on on 10ft tripod with 10ft of usb cable
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
Yes, you certainly can!
@karlkarlsson6635
@karlkarlsson6635 3 года назад
I have two antennas in the same location, One vertical and one homemade dipole, When using my SDR receiver (Airspy R2) then the dipole I built gives me much better and clearer reception - But here is my question: Why does the dipole I built need around +40 gain, but the vertical seems to peak at +30 - If I go higher it is just fuzzy and noisy. Why does a better antenna "need" higher gain ? when using a SDR receiver ?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Interestingly radios sometimes receive better when the gain is reduced, especially in urban environments. Old scanners used to come with a -20dB attenuator switch, with newer ones handling it electronically. If the gain value is too high, you will see signal degradation. Here, my gain values for the R2 typically sit in the 14-16 range (can't remember if that is sensitivity of linear mode), and 26-37 would be typical for the RTL based dongles. Any higher and the signals become overloaded by other noise. You'll actually see the noise floor rising on your FFT display. The goal is to receive the clearest signal. A good way to do this is first by listening - what sounds clearest and best? Then read the signal to noise ratio (SNR). If it is a static signal (eg from a repeater, not a moving vehicle, aircraft etc) you can carefully adjust gain for peak SNR - not highest peak on the display. A lot also depends on the band you are monitoring. Sometimes you might need to increase the gain in some areas of the spectrum, while decreasing it in others. Especially if your Antenna is tuned for a different band.
@ernieferguson6346
@ernieferguson6346 3 года назад
So with RG-6 75 ohm, did you use a 43 balun to match to 50 ohm & if so what ratio 2 to 1, 4 to 1, 9 to 1?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
I haven't used any baluns at all. Just the RG6 straight from the antennas!
@EverydayJ1786
@EverydayJ1786 3 года назад
I've got an old set of telescoping "rabbit ears" for receiving analog TV .... Is this not basically a dipole antenna .. it looks almost identical to the one you have
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Yes, they can function as a dipole if aligned at 180 degrees and there are no electronics in between. As with most radio things, it is fun to experiment. Why not give it a go and see what your results are?
@EverydayJ1786
@EverydayJ1786 3 года назад
@@FrugalRadio perfect . Thanks Love the videos 👍
@manuelcornejo7405
@manuelcornejo7405 3 года назад
Does it make any sense to connect several dipoles in parallel in the same cable? I mean to put two or three couple wires in the same hole, that way the same cable could carry the three frequencies at the same time.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Honestly, I haven't experimented with this. However I don't know how well it works. Some discones appear to be based on a similar theory - you see different whip lengths designed to resonate at different frequencies. While they don't offer a great deal of gain, they do provide wideband coverage. If you've got the tools, maybe run a few experiments and let us know your results!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
Interesting. I'm going to have to research fan dipoles and see how they work!
@ghosterdude
@ghosterdude 2 года назад
QUESTION: does the dipole antenna have to be vertical? i imagine it's not necessary.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
It depends what you want to receive. For general radio reception, vertical will work best. If you are making a V dipole for satellite reception, then you would want to mount it horizontally.
@ghosterdude
@ghosterdude 2 года назад
@@FrugalRadio thanks for the answer
@clamshell99
@clamshell99 3 года назад
Any comments on using RG316 to connect an antenna to an SDR?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
RG 316 is quite lossy coax. It is a little better than RG 174 but not by much. I wouldn't use it as the main run to an antenna, too much signal loss for me. It is often used in the pigtails for SDRs, just a few inches. Personally I prefer the solid adapters (to mitigate potential loss, but adapters introduce loss too).
@crypto602
@crypto602 9 месяцев назад
Hi, hi the floor of noise is better with magnetic monopole??
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 9 месяцев назад
You'll have to experiment. A lot of noise is generated locally, so depends on your environment, quality of coax etc.
@crypto602
@crypto602 9 месяцев назад
today i experiment with rabbit ears antenna and magnetic monopole, but the noise floor is better with magnetic.. i want to build some directional but i don't found anything@@FrugalRadio
@MrPanetela
@MrPanetela 2 года назад
yes, your presentation is emensely helpful. i thought i would return the favor with some private info i keep to myself, as metric people tend to get white knukles and red in the face when they think their favorite metric system is under attack. but this isn't an attack but gleaned from years of searching around since the nineties for an answer. after years of researching i've come up with a uhmmm-formulation(don't know what to call it.) I never archived my research, so the following is from memory... meters are based from the North pole, over the surface of the earth, stopping at the equator. It's a recent theoretical constructed invention. imperials measurements are based on previous measurements, as it passed thru the hands of Britain > Rome > Greece > Egyptian > ? It was originally based on pole to pole divided up by(i have forgotten) 1 or 10 or 100 million. It ends up with a unit roughly a finger tip length long. each has its advantages. I prefer imperials because the earth's axis barely changes it length, while the metric does in accordance to celestial objects and orbital speed. Wishing you and your family the best, and keep on posting, great stuff!
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
Thanks for the info, and the good wishes. I never knew that about the metric system!
@MrPanetela
@MrPanetela 2 года назад
@@FrugalRadio used your half-wave dipole/vertical formula for the 70cm Ham. All scraps. Ran the Freq. Scanner and found a bunch of folks on 444.850 with SNR=23dB. set-up: your yagi, antenna balum, 15 feet of 75ohm cable coaxial, connected to a short patch cord having 2 F connectors that slip on instead of twisting, that is attached directly to the dongle which in turn connected by USB of my laptop. First time I actually heard anything on that band. Had a blast. Owe you a great big thanks.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
That's awesome. I'm glad to hear of your success 😃
@Motion_0112
@Motion_0112 3 года назад
Hi, I would like to use my RTL-SDR to listen to CB and HF, but I only have the antennas the came with the kit. What antenna do you recomend that does't need a lot of space or any kind of boost converter?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
Hi. CB and HF require different things. CB reception works best with a vertical roof mounted antenna that is quite long. The most inexpensive way of receiving HF is just with a long wire antenna. That can work with the RTL-SDR, but you might find something line the MLA-30 to work if space is your primary constraint. If funds are not an option, look up saying of the Bonito products at www.bonito.net/hamradio/en/category/products/antennas/
@Motion_0112
@Motion_0112 3 года назад
@@FrugalRadio I saw those Miniwhips antennas, coul it work for CB or just for HF?
@Motion_0112
@Motion_0112 3 года назад
@@FrugalRadio I think I will go with the MLA-30 for HF if the miniwhip can't be used with CB
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 3 года назад
The specs say they cover into the VHF band, so should work for some signals. They are amplified antennas though. The RTL-SDR might get overloaded, a lot depends on how many AM broadcast transmitters, or other RF noise generating equipment is around. The MLA-30 should be a good way to experiment. It will give you an idea of the interference in your area. You could consider the YouLoop as well.
@Motion_0112
@Motion_0112 3 года назад
@@FrugalRadio I saw the youloop doest work that well in RTL-SDR, would they perform the same?
@ToNzHoLtZ
@ToNzHoLtZ Год назад
Hello , so i have a lot of LDF4- 50a , can i build an antenna with it ?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
Absolutely! There are all kinds of antennas you can make with coax.
@ToNzHoLtZ
@ToNzHoLtZ Год назад
@@FrugalRadio i MADE 2 tonight dipole and 30foot thank you
@ToNzHoLtZ
@ToNzHoLtZ Год назад
@@FrugalRadio Thank you for your reply, one more question, is it very difficult to build my own DISCONE ANTENNA , i should have all the correct tools ....All i am missing is a drawing to go from with the correct distances and lengths , any idea where I could find such a drawing , ive looked ....
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio Год назад
www.changpuak.ch/electronics/DisconeAntennaCalculator.php
@sammiller6631
@sammiller6631 2 года назад
Could you please stop calling US Customary units as "Imperial"? The US had units when they broke away in 1776 whereas Imperial didn't exist until the 19th Century.
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 2 года назад
Fascinating. In Europe, your either metric or Imperial. I'll have to bear your comments in mind!
@weedeater64
@weedeater64 10 месяцев назад
If I want a longer dipole can I just alligator clip some extension wires on the kit antenna?
@FrugalRadio
@FrugalRadio 10 месяцев назад
Yes, that would increase the electrical length.
@noslidemais
@noslidemais 9 месяцев назад
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