Yea, and to me, at this point in the technological world, there's no excuse for Apple to allow manufacturers more flexibility in how they utilize CarPlay.
I have a question you might want to answer in the next Talking Cars. Some people believe that the country where a car is assembled affects the quality and/or reliability of a car. Are cars assembled in Mexico as good as cars assembled in Canada? I think some people are sure cars assembled in Japan will be better. What does your research show on this?
Steve Grooms while it may not be a car, it’s true in this case: I have a Rowenta clothing iron that’s made in Germany and also China. The Chinese ones are known to leak while German sourced ones don’t- check the Amazon reviews. I think the parts are the same, it’s just the treatment of employees and their wages that make a difference; German/Japanese employees may not put up with treatment which is found acceptable in other countries. Really though I think it’s company dependent, if you have x manufacturer that doesn’t care what happens overseas by not pushing company practices and procedures, then the customers pay.
Some Subarus assembled in Indiana have been more reliable than Subarus assembled at Gunma, Japan. However, the engines and drivetrains were all made in Japan. Nissan is another example - quality has been all over the place. There are so many factors involved (are parts different, quality of locally sourced parts, worker training and motivation, supervision, etc.) it would be hard to make a general statement.
Just came from a Hyundai dealer. They have mark-ups on the Palisade too. Crazy. I was looking at the Luxury trim of the Palisade, which is a step below the TOTL Ultimate trim, and they quoted me the same as what I was quoted for the Telluride SXL. It’s crazy to think someone would loan CA$70k+ just for these mass market CUVs. We’ll just wait until the hype dies out.
I bought a 19 a couple months ago. I had thought about waiting, but thought even though the new one may be better, the 19 is still a great car for the money , especially the base model after the discount.
Got our Telluride the first month they were on the lots. No mark-up. And below MSRP. I was shocked when I saw the mark-ups when I revisited the dealer for it's first oil change. O saw $5-8k mark-ups on all trim levels.
CarterBurtonMotorsportsDotCom Yes, I if you bought them early this year when they first came out it wasn’t a problem. I got the offer to join the “Founder’s Club” and get 700 something bucks off, but I didn’t want to do it because the crash test results hadn’t come out yet. Now it’s looking like I might have to wait till next year to buy a Telluride without a markup.
One point they failed to make with the 2020 is with the implementation of the SGP chassis there is increased crash protection along with the other positives vs the older Gen5 outback
Supply and demand or Economics 101. I don't blame dealerships a bit - why not make hay while the sun shines? If you don't want to play that game - nobody's twisting your arm
I just bought a 2020 Legacy a few days ago. Took me literally half a day of driving to navigate the screen. It's not hard at all. I don't know what the deal is with these guys...
How do you recommend the Kia Telluride and say it is a good choice when you say that first year cars usually have a lot of bugs???? You say that buyers should wait year or a two until most issues are debugged then you recommend a telluride...........
He said on CERTAIN makes based on their previous history. There is a greater probability year one will be unreliable on BMW as opposed to a year one model with Toyota. And not saying it's guaranteed from either one. And if the parts that make up the new car aren't actually new, then it is historically a safe bet to still get the new car. (if that makes sense lol)
We use premium 91 with no ethanol in our 2015 Ford Escape Titanium 2.0 turbo and you definitely notice much more powerful and it’s much smoother. Would never use anything else in this
The part CR doesn't like to advertise is their regular/premium test was done with a Nissan Maxima and an Acura TLX - both naturally aspirated cars, and not exactly sporty. If they had done this with a turbocharged and an NA car geared for power, it would have been a more compelling test.
The beeping sound that you guys mentioned about around 8:40. I think that is more like a Pointing and Calling system, so Eyesight is reacting to the front car, at the same time it will beep so the driver knows this system is working properly, but in case of driver can't hear or missed the beeping sound, the screen also showing the description to the driver as a back up, if the driver did not know what is going on. It's about safety, in my opinion, more is better. I've been droving my Foreste using ACC for as long as 7h drive one way for a road trip, also used it multiple times, about 2h drive to my neighbor city on weekends. It is actually not that annoying(It is not that loud), that beep actually reminds you the Eyesight is working properly, and I don't need to be afraid and take over the control.
In the Questions & Answers section, Ryan wrote in seeking advise on replacing his 2004 Suzuki Grand Vitara. His question was, "Is there going to be that much of a difference between the first year of the new model and the first batch of the second year?" You answered Ryan's question about first year reliability in general. But what about his specific question. Will the first batch of the second year possibly have some subtle improvements incorporated in either hardware or software? Thanks - love the show.
Rewatch the vid - they very clearly answered Ryan's question: "What I can say here is yeah, it does get better after the first year. I don't care what it is, they do get better." Sounds like a clear answer to me.
You should never negotiate a car in person. Email only. To test them of course you go in but you don't take their numbers at face value as they are always inflated.
I saw this when being curious about the Jeep Gladiator(no plans to buy) and right on the website it had some BS thing like "Market Fee" or something for 5k.
With the Telluride it’s a good idea to wait until they release the 2021 Telluride and work out all the kinks. You may even be able to find a used Telluride next year.
That's true; too many Americans are, "I want what I want when I want it, and I don't care what it costs!" Next year, it's "Ehh, I'm off to something new."
Sensors go bad over time. What happens in 6-7 years when "collision avoidance" and "adaptive cruise" sensors start failing? Plus, I don't want cameras on me as I'm driving.
I test drove a 2019 Crosstrek. The suspension and brakes were very good. The steering was numb, and the looks were a little strange. Also, the mid-level model was missing some features compared to other brands. For value, the smaller Honda Fit and Kia Niro stand out more than the Subarus, unless you really need all wheel drive. You can add snow tires or snow chains to a 2 wheel drive, and there is a new all wheel drive Prius.
is a 2020 subaru outback 2.5i limited a good first car for me just want to get a good answer from yall i like your books on these vheicles and it helps me find my first vehicle also .
I wanted to hate Consumer Reports because.....who gets to tell me the best (boring) car to drive!? But when I watch their podcasts I think, “Hmmmmm, now I at least understand how they come to these conclusions now that I have some background.” Doesn’t change what car I WANT....now I just understand. 🤷🏻♂️
Am I the only one who thinks that at this point automakers are over doing it with all these electronics and safety systems? I don't know about other folks, but on my commute to work I just wanna listen to the radio and don't have time to deal with all those menus and submenus! If anything, this just adds to the distractions that many drivers already dangerously engage in.
@consumer reports- considering a used prius. with the redesign in 2016, am i better off looking at a 2017 or 2018? or am i better off even going back to a 2015. really interested in the safety sense/safety package and i'm not sure if the 2015 offered that.
Car dealers will charge whatever they think someone will pay. It is just a manifestation of supply versus demand. Honda Pilot demand is weak. They are clogging dealer lots. I recently bought a 2019 Pilot Elite for $6500 off, with .9% financing. Telluride was my first choice, but the local Kia dealers are adding $2000k of market adjustment and worthless accessories.
so, it start off with it was improved incrementally and in the next sentence...all new chassis. look, what the heck is a major change if NOT for a new chassis!!!?
since you did this review, why isn't this 2020 model updated on your website, so we can see the review in details. I want to see acceleration and fuel economy test.
Perhaps the Pacifica owner may be well advised to shop around for the best price on the Mopar service contract. I understand that there may be non-dealer sellers at better prices.
For the mark up issues, there is another side to this story. Yes it seems despicable to customers, but look at it from a dealership perspective. They know there is huge demand for a vehicle, they order 10 for their lot. They wait and wait and get one (only 1) come in. There is a list of buyers who want one. They know they will not get more for a week or two. So they try to make as much money as they can off the one they got. It only makes sense from a business perspective in terms of making money. Of course the down side is they get a reputation as a dealer that takes advantage of customers. As a result they could lose future sales, but they decided it was worth it. Simple supply and demand.
The increased price also make sure that only those who really want it, and are willing to spend more, get it. If every uber ride was $1, you would never get an uber. Free market gives a chance (not a guarantee) to make a purchase.
I've bought two cars in my life that I walked into the dealer showroom prepared to pay MSRP for what I wanted. They were kind of niche cars and very popular at the time and I still wound up getting at least $1,500 off of the sticker price. The Outback, as much as I'm interested in one, is not a car that I'd approach the dealer with that kind of attitude. Either way, I won't pay a "market adjustment" on ANY car on the market. They can take that idea and stick it where the sun don't shine!
Hey guys I need some help....I am debating getting the 2020 outback or the 2020 ascent....but friends are telling me to go with a 2020 Toyota highlander.....could I get your opinions ?
The complexity of the infotainment screen is distracting and it takes the driver’s eyes off of the road when making changes in settings such as climate and radio.
Disagree with the premium fuel recommendation. If your car dosen't require premium fuel at all, then yes putting premium is a waste. However If your car says premium recommended but not required, then i would put premium, you will get better gas mileage with the premium anyway so that will offset some of the cost . Theres also the possibility of earlier wear and tear with some internal parts. I would never put regular in a turbo or high output engine.
I purchased a new Outback in 2017. It had RAB and many other electrical problems from the start. I had it in the shop 10 times for repair. towed to the dealer no less than 4 times. Went a total of 42 days without my car. It was a Lemon. Even the district service manager told me to contact Subaru Customer service to get a full refund, as they could not figure out what is wrong with the car. After months of being given the run around, Subaru customer service did not refund my money as they should have. Major problem with the dealer, they do not give you any paperwork, to prove you were there in the first year, they delete the PC history, (destroy the evidence). I traded my car in, still under warranty, still not fixed. I lost over $14,000 . Fair warning to everyone, Subaru does not stand behind the customer. Subaru knows I was treated wrong, but refuse to do what is right. Subaru has had plenty of time to investigate my Lemon of a car, and make good, they have refused.
I suspect the mark up's are due to the demand outpacing the supply. After all Supply and Demand are what is supposed to set the price. Now where I have issue's is when they/if they lie to you.
Exactly. People want them and subaru cannot keep up. So they make all they can and they sell them all at full or higher price and do not have closeout sales
They add value, or they would be gone. Again, you may not need their existence, but they exist because consumers support them. Sort of like a Verizon store or Walmart. Sure, you can buy everything online, but again, these stores exist because overall they are supported by the consumer and add value.
Not sure the Outback is a class of "one": Alltrack (it's still on sale), Regal TourX, A4 Allroad, V60 and V90 Cross-Country...I think that's it. Yes, there's a range of prices there, but don't pretend like Subies are cheap either.
It would have been nice if the boys from Consumer Reports might have mentioned the fact that 4-cylinder turbos are not as reliable as a normal aspirated engine and require much more maintenance? I think that's pretty important
Norm you are way off on this. Google; oil dilution problem Honda turbo. Be prepared for pages and pages. Really really liked the CRV but the reliability of the motor long term kills it for me. Kip is 100% right, NA motors are almost always better longterm. The turbos are in place to push heavier rides and not destroy the MPGs however if they aren’t reliable what’s the point?
My wife’s car is a 2015 Impreza. My car is a 2020 Ford Escape SE Hybrid. Her car is of course all the time AWD. My car has available AWD. She likes my car better. I like my car better. Granted, my car is five years newer. But, the Subaru engine has always been loud. It has always paused when going initially going forward. The acceleration is mediocre. My car is quieter at higher speeds (above 65mph). She actually likes the interior of my car better! Now, go read the CR reviews of each car. For years, CR has worshiped at the altar of Subaru. Yes, my wife and I like her Impreza. We actually test drove a 2020 Outback before buying,the Escape. But, we are not in love with Subaru as CR seems to be. We considered a 2022 Subaru to replace her 2015, but she vetoed it. She said, “Basically the same car. Save the money.”
Dear CR, The dealer markup also applies on the Palisade. I am having trouble getting one from the dealer because they get sold right away, so I tried putting money down to preorder one, and each dealer I want to refused to take preorders. I Finally got a hold of one and the dealer marked it up by $5k above MSRP, although the internet price on the dealer website says otherwise. So I decided to go to a different dealer, and they also marked it up by $5k. My question to you is it right and legal of any dealers to markup cars above MSRP?
Consider having one shipped from out of town. Just this week I've seen several Kia dealers with rows and rows of them on their lots between California and Texas.
Is it right is the question, and is based on the market. If you can wait a while, after the early demand is saturated, they'll start offering discounts. As for legal, the operative word in MSRP is "Suggested". No one has a problem paying less than the manufacturer suggests.
They are the distributor, this is just like getting anything from the store. Technically they are the entity that sources the product and provides it for sale in a given Market so they can pick the price. That's how they give you discounts under MSRP as well. It's all supply and demand
I'd no longer consider the Outback, because of all the electronics. It all follows the current trend of these things, but it's not safer, more intuitive or as reliable as the older mechanical switches and controls in the long run.
John Fretz at some point you’re going to have buy something. What I don’t like is lack of upgradeability. I think they should offer software support for 10 years (or 100K miles 🤭) feature and security updates.
That is a smart decision dear Mr. Fretz: as far as I concern, Subaru makes garbage pieces of junk. Subaru is only good as long as you rent it or borrow it. It is hardly worthwhile owning such a headache after 5 years mark.
Subaru's also been dinged by several quality surveys and Ascent/Outback glitches (welds, engines, etc per industry trade reporting) so they claim to be doing slow ramp-ups to insure better quality.
@@patricklondon6006 dont move to PA we have the same problem. After 10 years your luckey if the frame will pass inspection. My truck 2012 with 80k wont pass too much rot.
Get a used Lexus GX 460 instead of the telluride. Much higher quality vehicle. Don’t buy the first generation of Kia, if you really want it wait for them to take care of problem in subsequent generations
Your comments about Subaru driving assistance are designed to add safety for typical drivers.; and they are not tailored for professional car journalists needs.
Its all supply & demand. If it costs too much buy something else. BTW. At least dealer markups are transparent. There is a bunch of other dark tricks that are not as obvious.
All this safety junk is just becoming a distraction and or crutch for bad drivers. It's also more expense with more electronics that will fail. These over the top infotainment systems are just huge distractions that most buyers can't figure out. Reliability will continue to drop with the days of 200,000 mile cars not being realistic for the newest cars.
Outback and Legacy have not had manuals for some time. All have CVTs. I know there is prejudice against these transmissions but they work well. I have a Legacy with CVT after having owned six vehicles (including two Subarus) with manuals. The manuals have worse fuel consumption and are often slower than newer autos. They have quick acting paddle shifters that simulate a 6 speed if you want to do it yourself.
The aesthetics of Subaru are getting worse with this new platform. Too many swoops and curves, not enough clean, straight lines. I think the new Outback looks awful and not in the least bit rugged or utilitarian, which is what Subaru used to be known for. In their quest to reach the everyman, they are losing the unique man. Good for business, I guess.
P.S. I am thinking those CR people would be the last people in the world to smoke crack. At least not without first doing an in-depth review first. Lol
