We have to add a quick redaction to the review! The Triple clamps are actually forged aluminum, not cast. That would mean they are stronger than billet and also most likely flex less!! But we can still stand by the statement "it won't make a huge difference on the machine!" Thanks for the support! Enjoy the Review!
I spent the day on this bike yesterday, also rode it back to back with a 300xc-w and they feel a lot different. I'm really impressed, this is the best KTM brand bike I've been on so far. At $700 less than a KTM I was expecting something to be of lesser quality but I did not find that to be the case.
I belive your dog is ready for Erzburg. At least 3 place 😂👍 great review man. Everyone else talking about the GG are afraid to say it's another KTM. Not you, but then you explain the difference as and option for us to choose. 🤙
Great review Rich! Myself and many others appreciate your unbiased opinion on all the bikes you've ridden. I've heard many riders claim that the GasGas is just another KTM or a "red" KTM, but your review provided the necessary breakdown of the differences that separate it from the KTM/Husky. Anxious to hear more from you on the GasGas in the future!
Every time man, you are just nailing it. No one talks about the 9mm master. I always learn the most on this channel. Now just work on your Canadian stocking issues (yes, even pre-Covid) and I will start trying some IRC tires ( :
Not often I can watch a review and agree with everything but in this case I can ... I don't ride a gas gas personally I am on the huski te 250 2021 (my first tpi) they have the mugura clutch masters that i changed for a brembo 9 to get the softer feel othere than that the only thing I found was the gearing not allowing me to ride 3rd as much as I needed ( might have been better with a 300) so changed the rear sprocket to a 51 now I am very happy with the tpi . The part of the review where you mention the throttle sensitivity is key until i worked this out I was riding the bike like a carb bike clutching it everywhere but when I Dialled in And worked out to concentrate on the excelarator more I became 1 with the bike ..... only took 40 hrs of riding it to get there 🤣 thanks for the input dude your a legend 👊🏻
Hey Rich I have clocked over 1000+ hours on all the model TPI's and the 2021 300's are the smoothest best running TPI's to date. Currently have a 2020 XC and 2021 XC and the 2021 by far is smoother and more power right off the bottom
This is just because of the inconsistency he talked about. The 2020 and 2021 are identical, and use the same maps. No upgrades were made to the TPI system in '21. Any new maps for the '21 are compatible with the '20... Also, I believe is has been confirmed that the Gas gas uses the exact same mapping as the husky/ ktm. I don't doubt your '21 runs better, but its not by design, these bikes are just very inconsistent.
Love how unbias you're and are able to say maybe you're the one that should change rather than the bike. I think change is good people shouldn't hold on to old things because it's what they know. Great review 👍 just subscribed
Nice review! Thanks Rich! I know a lot of people hate that we have 3 ktms but its nice to hear the difference. I know you said you prefer the suspension on the gasgas but how do you feel about pds vs non for what you do? I have an older (12)xc250 and i prefer the linkage over some of the pds bikes ive had and ridden. But i haven't tried any newer pds vs non
I’ve got a 2020 300xcw and a 2021 beta 300rr. Definitely a noticeable difference in low end power delivery between the 2. Beta holds traction better and isn’t as sensitive to throttle input. The TPI definitely spins up and breaks traction easier if your not careful with throttle control.
Nice review, I was looking at getting one of these and making it into a road going supermoto for a bit of fun, do you think that it would hold up over my 120km day loop through the mountains? cheers
Hi Mitch ! First/ thank you for sharing your knowledge and everything you do ! Just picked one of these up-under 2 hours- got pretty strong clutch drag when all the way in. (Bled twice/hot oil) - did yours do it at all ? Second question- how come you run 100 width on rear- lot of top riders ride up to 140. Thanks and cheers ! 🤜🏼💥🤛🏼
Awesome video as always! Eager for the next vid. I have a 2021KTM EXC 300 and it also has the cast triple clamps from stock. Enjoying the Channel from the North of England. 🤙🏻
With ktm the xc and sx bikes had billet and the exc and xcw had cast. Recently ktm dropped the xcwf since they are so close to the excf. Depending on locale you get an exc or an xcw.
Your reviews ROCK. I appreciate the honesty. Have you tried the idle circuit mod where you can adjust the air mixture at idle? I don't know anything about TPI yet, as I don't own one. However I plan on it and would like to know if this is why they all slightly vary in off idle response.
Great review Rich! I've had my eye on Gas Gas recently because the local Husky dealer, where I bought my TE300i, started carrying Gas Gas. I like the idea that you said it's a KTM but different, which is what some people would say about Husky vs KTM or vice versa. I'm not sure of the differences in sprockets or gears but does the EC have the same transmission spacing feel as the TE and XCW, the slow creeper 1st ? I am really looking forward to hearing more from you as you continue to put hours on the bike. Keep up the great content!
I personally bought the last 300 Sherco Factory and love it. But as you said I would change the clutch master cylinder for a softer one. After few minutes in hard sections I feel my forearm tired by using the clutch with one finger. And I adjusted the suspensions because too hard to my opinion. I weight about 91kg without equipment though. But I like the Gas gas Rich and I think months after months you will discover new things that bike is able to do with your skill. Cheers from France! Cyril #23
Another awesome honest video thansk. Are you planning any engine mods? I have a 2020 300 EXC TPI and had to do the idle screw mod and wind the air screw all in then half out to get it really running great, also did the twostrokeperformance medium.head and their ecu remap. It's honestly a much better bike now. Interested in your thoughts. Cheers
Thanks for watching! We may adjust the engine in the future. Honestly the bike seems to run great currently. I would be interested to play around with the settings.
Should I buy a gas gas 300 instead of a ktm 300 for my first woods bike. I like to ride technical single tracks and climb hills. My current bike is a 2013 yz250 and I love the power of it but I need a more trail worthy bike. I’m leaning towards the gas gas because of price and reviews but I don’t want to be disappointed I’m not buying a ktm I originally planned on. Few hundred bucks don’t make a big difference but the reviews on the new gas gas are pretty good
My ec 250 tpi runs better than any other tpi bike I have had, it resistes stalling better than any bike I have had. I would say it’s even better than my carb bikes. It gets better gas mileage, doesn’t drop lots of fuel and never needs adjustment because of the temperature.
Bought mine on the 9th, snapped my clutch lever yesterday. Tried to switch it out for my friends 2021 KTM XC-W lever and it wouldn't fit. It's got the same kind of engagement as the Brembo but the pin is a different size and the shape of the lever itself is slightly different. Seems like this Braktec is proprietary for this bike, as other Braktec clutch levers have a pin engagement instead of a cup and ball. Any idea on where to get a replacement?
Great video. I searched in the spare part catalogue of my Husky with magura and found out the diameter of the clutch cylinder is 9,5 mm. I checked also the Brembo for KTM EXC 300 and it is 9mm. If these cat are correct I suppose there might be other reasons why the Gas Gas clutch is easier to pull.
Have you ever tried a custom/ thrid-party ECU to tune the Bike to your needs? If yes: does it make the power dilivery more consistent between different bikes? And what are your thoughts of tuning with custom ECUs on TPI Bikes?
Very similar, but completely different. Own a KtM, have ridden the new GasGas. Different. Similar, but different. If that makes sense. GasGas was more snappy than my KTM out of the box. I have since tuned my ktm with a few mods. Biggest difference I felt.
@@IRCTireUSAMoto I think I may go with the EC300 when I upgrade from my 20 KTM. Idk I just like the red and white, love that KTM kept the GasGas name alive. Like the linkage over the PDS. Sliver wheels, cast triples, brake tech brake and clutch master cylinders along with the brake tech slave doesn’t bother me a bit. If they weren’t a decent product they wouldn’t have used them. I’m either gonna go that route, or try a Sherco. Most likely I’ll stick to the platform I know.
Hello, I have troubles with hard clutch drag on my KTM EXC 300 2018 bike also and I have been surprised to hear that exists option to use a 11mm piston master cylinder on this bike. Unfortunately I am not able to find a suitable master cylinder which could be able to replace previous Brembo 10mm cylinder. Is there some who knows where can I buy a suitable 11mm master cylinder? Thanks
Going to an 11mm will make the pull harder. You want to move from 10mm to 9mm for a softer pull. Maybe reach out to the guys at TheMotoStation.com I’m sure they have what you need in stock.
Personally I’m not a fan of the tpi because they made the power too smooth and are taking away from the hit of a carbureted 2 stroke. They honestly feel less powerful. The beta 300rr is the strongest most powerful engine right now imo because it’s still carbureted.
I am not a fan of TPI for the simple reason it is not simple and adds to the margin for failure. If the oil system has the slightest hiccup the engine is toasted.
That's not true. And these TPI bikes have been bullet proof, go watch some of the hard enduro pros, they all ride TPI (except sherco) and have no problems. I guarantee you can't ride anywhere near the level of theses guys. I've got a newer KTM 300 TPI bike, and at first I was like you, now I touch the starter button and head out into my 50 mile out in the middle of nowhere ride and don't even think twice about it. Several hours later going as strong as the first day I bought her.
The only thing that would make me go ktm over gas gas or husky... I have a great dealer in my home town. Trailside sports in ESPANOLA Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 sells YAMAHA KTM and Suzuki. I love my YAMAHA yz250 and don't plan to switch. But I'm very sure Kevin would hook me up on a KTM any minute I asked. They also ship world wide if your paying.
For me personally it doesn't make sense to make 3 bikes with exactly same engine, what's the point? It's like Lamborghini would have only one engine with different chassis....stupid. KTM killed husky and now GasGas.
Not saying I disagree but this is sort of the times we live in. Lamborghini is owned by Audi so they do use the same engine in multiple chassis. And I read GasGas was struggling so if this keeps them alive to be now under KTM, and they can make the bikes different enough it COULD be a good thing long run. What I don't like is the steady increase of pricing and with KTM owning 3 brands, they can sort of dictate what a new bike is worth since they have that much more market share.
The only company that is paying me for the content on this channel is IRC Tire. MotoStation is supplying the bikes but there is no exclusivity. They don't even sell bikes. I can ride anything I want. This year I will be hopefully testing the Gas Gas, KTM, Beta, maybe even a TM. Ideally every brand. So I'm not paid by any means by Gas Gas, its just a great bike.
Dude you speak only in platitudes and half statements! These comparisons and reviews are useless if you just say it's all relative and different etc etc. You should make more definitive statements to make your conclusions more clear.
