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2021 GS vs GS Adventure Comparison | Which one will best suit you? | BMW Motorcycles of Seattle

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In this video Roman compares the new 2021 GS vs the GS Adventure. No destination is to far with either of these bikes. In the end, it will come down to the riders preference, skill level and the type of riding they want to do.
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@SDHL111 Месяц назад

This is what a professional at the matter behaves, exceptional info, congrats.

@exmoorfarmer4880 11 месяцев назад

What a brilliant and concise video. Thank you for demystifying the difference bwteen the two bikes.

@MilanStrongmanTV 3 года назад

Great explanation

@antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 3 года назад

Jaoooo strongi pa tu li smo se našli hahahah...GS fan forever!

@lifesjourneyat50 3 года назад

My 1250 GSA was delivered last week - even got the little brother...310GS - Love my GSA - Great Video....Keep them coming...!!!!

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

G310gs is the only GS you can't spec wire wheels. Is it a real gs without options list available?

@ahsisti 2 года назад

Pretty well explained in a professional way. Great job sir.

@griffonwings5177 2 года назад

I remember him from 300 years ago. His working with bmw since hot water was invented. Such a great guy and mostly very professional.

@crissignori7482 3 года назад

Clear, concise yet well explained. Thank you

@Salee2207 3 года назад

Very informative, honest. Now I'm even more excited to finally get my bike delivered.

@badeaalexandru523 3 года назад

The spoke wheels is more flexible than the alloy wheels, the spokes ones are very good for offroad rides because they give you more control on the suspensions because of the flexible construction. Alloy wheels are rigide and at a great unevenness they can break. Spokes also have good ride on the road. I have tested both wheels and i vote for spokes because of the control. Cheers for the video and respect! Love and peace!!✌️🤗♥️

@maxflight777 3 года назад

Wow! If you can tell the difference when riding you are a motorcycle god ! 🤭

@badeaalexandru523 3 года назад

@@maxflight777 The alloy wheels are contructed for more torque and speed on the tracks and roads like bikes in the motogp and superbike etc. In the other hand the spokes wheels are made for better response on gravel grounds, jumps, cross, freestyle because of the flexibility, without this you can lose the control of the motorcycle. That is the feeling i ve got in riding, i havent ride for 4 years because of an accident..

@Pmason718 3 года назад

Excellent explanation, thank you

@PapaDougsAdventures01 3 года назад

I’ve had the GS and I constantly had range anxiety. I remember a road trip in 2008 from Coeur d’Alene ID to Las Vegas where I tried not to ride freeways and thought I was going to get stranded south of Boise. Not fun. For that fact alone I would and probably will buy the GSA next. Also, I added most of the accessories the GSA has so for the difference in price it makes it a good value.

@awesomeagnihotrisvlog 2 года назад

How’s the handling and pick up of GS compared to GSA??

@PapaDougsAdventures01 2 года назад

@@awesomeagnihotrisvlog I did buy the GSA and it handles great. The range is excellent and the wind coverage on the highway is better than the GS. I had the factory lowering option added and that makes it feel more stable when stopped. All in all I love the GSA.

@awesomeagnihotrisvlog 2 года назад

@@PapaDougsAdventures01 Awsm mate … safe and happy miles ..thanks 🙌

@coreysheckler4777 2 года назад

Coming from a S1000r the GS was an awesome transition. Very nimble but so much more comfortable. I love my 2022 Ralley edition.

@awesomeagnihotrisvlog 2 года назад

Do you miss the power of s1000 r ?

@coreysheckler4777 2 года назад

@@awesomeagnihotrisvlog At times, but the GS will move and in Dynamic Pro you can carve roads with the GS Ralley with alot of speed and excitement.

@paoloc3318 2 года назад

Good explanation. Not bullshit talk . Just to the point. I like it.

@5_C_G 9 месяцев назад

Thank you so much this was straight to the point. I'm a 5'7 lighter rider so the GS would be perfect for me.

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

Most of the extra weight is probably the crash bars . The bigger tank is only heavier with more fuel in it.

@AlgeriaRiderdz 3 года назад

I got the opportunity to ride both for long period of time on and off road. I'm 1.88 high, weight 95kg. I can say that both bikes perform the same for average rider, the LC will be easier to handle for commuting because it's narrower than the Adventure. But for long rides, the GS Adventure is the bike to chose because you won't need to stop at every gas station. Also the bigger fuel tank and wind shield will provide wind protection and reduce fatigue.

@zacmay2091 3 года назад

Thank you Roman, well done. I enjoyed meeting you at the new location and look forward to buying my next BMW from you guys.

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Thank you Zac. Let us know how we can help when time comes.

@captainamerica1797 3 года назад

you had me at "bigger gas tank" .... (crying) !!!!

@mikeogden5256 2 года назад

Adventure because I’m going to drop it frequently

@Ephesians-xt4xc 3 года назад

Great review, very informative and organized

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Thank you. Releasing a new one on the 6th.

@kevinrobb86 2 года назад

If you want to spec a GS up to look like the GSA then buy the GSA if the size puts you off then get the GS

@nigeldobson5418 2 месяца назад

Nicely explained

@ChuckMahon 2 года назад

Excellent video and explanation!!!

@mihaimihai9254 2 года назад

Great review! Thanks a lot!

@Beinhartwie1chopper 2 года назад

Thank you that "seattled" it for me. ADVENTURE (6'4)

@lapintos77 2 года назад

Very well explaned. We can see so much video about this subject, but never as good as this one. Raymond gets to the point, a short vid, and he points very all and clearly the diffrences. Thank you. I made my choice. If I wouldn’t be in North Eastern Quebec, Canada, I would have knock at your door.

@idzfar2002 2 года назад

Clear information between both model. Tq Sir

@muqtadakamal9569 3 года назад

Hello there, hope u r doing well i am 5 feet 6 inches tall or short ☺️ i am 22 and have been driving Bikes since 2009 ( the first very bike of my father), i am planning international motorcycle tours like probably crossing into many countries. Which 1 will u prefer in this case. 1250GS or GSA, and i might encounter some off roads but it will not be probably that bigger like made for rallies. PLZ note, that my reach is higher which 70 or 71 inches.

@michaelbenson2024 Год назад

Thanks for your input

@zeedustrakok 3 года назад

Personal choice. When I changed from GS to GSA I told my dealership: If I can handle the bulk I'll order one. They lend me one for 2 days and within 30 minutes I knew I'd be ordering one. Why: bigger fueltank, more comfort on motorways and I won't call her pretty, but she shurely has presence. BTW: I am 5'6" and 150 lbs.

@Ruben-ni7zq 3 года назад

Did you order a low version. Also same height as you but pretty short inseam, 29” and the over presence of the GSA wins it for me over the GS.

@zeedustrakok 3 года назад

@@Ruben-ni7zq I drive the regular suspension version. My first GS was lowered and ground clearance on spirited drives was an issue. Never had an issue with the height of my GSA.

@osamabinladen824 3 года назад

@@zeedustrakok Is it comfortable? I'm as tall and as heavy as you are.

@user-up8th6hc8b 2 года назад

@@osamabinladen824 ur osama ofc

@Jmbo65 3 года назад

Thanks that was very informative👍

@Robierto1324 3 года назад

Awesome! Love both these bikes

@dksizzr Год назад

Most helpful thanks 👍

@KiwiMoto72 3 года назад

Nice work Roman! Beautiful new showroom btw!

@JeffHenshaw 3 года назад

Loved my GS that I bought from BMW MC Seattle. Love my 1250RT too. Thanks for this thorough comparison of the GS and GSA, Roman!

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Thanks, Jeff.

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

I find it funny I love the gs (not the GSA) but people say if you're not going to ride off road get the r1200rt but I think the rt is a completely different bike. I might consider a RS I think the RT is a full on tourer.

@JeffHenshaw 2 года назад

@@chrishart8548 Having owned two RTs and one GS, I can confirm that they are completely different bikes. Common powerplant and drivetrain, but the configuration and ride tuning are worlds apart. I think of the RT as a sport-tourer, heaving on the tourer. Still very sporty in the ride and the position.

@fredzuccarelli 6 месяцев назад

The Adventure!!!!....because thats what life is!!!!😊

@williamsenich6695 Год назад

The video was fantastic, I had a GS and I loved it I sold it a long time ago for other reasons I'm in the process of buying one more bike and it's going to be that's it one bike and I'm done I'm contemplating going with the GSA because the luggage and the crash bars and the lights and the foot pegs and things of that nature I was going to sit there and actually get the GS and add all that to it and I'm finding out that if you take a GS and spec it out to a GSA it's actually about $4,100 more than MSRP I'm 6 ft 250 lb what do you recommend do I stick with the GS or would you recommend the GSA, I'm going to be 70% on the highway and maybe obviously 30% in the off-road what would you recommend for some reason the height difference is in the back of my mind thank you hope to see more videos I'm in Central Florida

@andrew777au 10 месяцев назад

Thank you~ good intel

@roadglide 3 года назад

GSA. Pannier, Engine protection and Body scaffolding, extra fuel, suspension travel and stunning good looks.

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Agreed! The most versatile and handsome bike ever made.

@ajojoseph6052 2 года назад

Is the 591lbs curb weight for the GSA without the premium or select package? The standard GSA does not include the saddle bag mounts, AUX lights and other bits. The packages adds that. Also Cycle World weighed a Premium package GSA with full tank at 625lbs. Can you confirm?

@protectork9831 2 года назад

It's the engine. Easy to maintain. Wish someone made automatic valve adjustment

@kevingeorge4091 2 года назад

Excellent review. You've made it so easy to understand. Most of the reviews just gloss over these details.

@yamaha2stroke499 3 года назад

can we install a crash bar on a gs making it look like gs adventure

@byever1 2 года назад

Yes

@ilovemybmwgs1200 3 года назад

@ 3 minutes thats not a 1250 fork set up,,my OCD made me write this from an old school air cooled 1200gs British rider living in Germany. Danke😉

@emullen93 3 года назад

What kind of riding pants are those..?

@mathewvlasak 3 года назад

Thank You Roman!

@the.pineapple 10 месяцев назад

The frames are not the same. I don't know why almost no one mentions this. The rake is different on the GSA having longer wheelbase subsequently. And it makes GSA ride quite differently. In corners especially, GSA has to be pushed down compared to regular GS that rather falls into the corner.

@LMO169 8 месяцев назад

The front and rear frames are identical. The GSA has a steeper rake, therefore has a shorter wheelbase, so it turns in more easily to compensate for the higher weight. 1525mm on the GS and 1504mm on the GSA

@chrisrobinson79 3 года назад

Thanks so much didn’t know the difference. 😎🌴

@jonlongmire 3 года назад

Great video. Thank you. Would be great to see the GSA and the GS compared to the GS Rally (HP)

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

We will come around to that.

@drzrider3440 2 года назад

Hay, if heard BMW in US allows a tester ride. Been kicking around getting a used one for a while. Do you guys allow test rides for the GS? Maybe have a older one to try out. Looking at 2015GS. But before i do, would like to test ride one. And no one thats owns one are willing to let me try, which I understand. Let me know, i live up on Lake Stevens.

@Imporbila 2 года назад

Great video. Keep up the good work!

@fauveride 2 года назад

I'd go normal gs for my next bike (now ninet)

@TheWanderingGeezer 3 года назад

Great video, Roman. Great dealership and staff.

@rockout1180 3 года назад

GSA all the way!

@carlosalcatraz1245 3 года назад

The footrests is other important difference. How much you have to spend if you want to leave the GS wih the same equipment as the adveture (including topcase holder, excluding suspension and tank)?

@alessandromarsili3625 3 года назад

Hello Roman, many thanks for your explanation, I agree with you about the little/not little differences of the two models, I choose myself for the adventure, and I am really happy and satisfied…. Just 1 more question: your pants are very nice, are they BMW trouser or different brand? Are winter or summer pants? Thanks in advance, have a good one…..bye

@pastoryves-bennet4924 Год назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the pants part is funny

@pilyomotoride7781 6 месяцев назад

Do they both have esa suspension?

@GrainyColors 3 года назад

Thanks for nailing this down! Very informative :) What I always wanted to know: Spoke vs cast wheels. Looks that spoke wheel are the off road choice. Are cast wheels not suitable for riding off the road?

@phnates 3 года назад

Correct sir, cast wheels are unsuitable for off road. Spoked wheels flex for that very purpose. You could ride a GS or any bike with cast wheels off road but the bigger the pot holes and the tougher the terrain, the more likely you’d buckle a wheel where you would be less likely to with spoked 👍🏼

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

It's a grey area. I've had an odd-ball 1200 with cast wheels at BMW off-road school with TKC 80s on it, and they handled Mojave gentle desert riding with no issues. Needless to say, spokes will take much more abuse in the ruts.

@Loiczzr 3 года назад

Define off road ! Sure if you are going to do jumps, and tough terrain you want spokes, if we are talking about fire road, gravels, hard pack cast will be just fine.

@JayGee6996 Год назад

What was the clip at 3mins for? A parallel twin and traditional forks, obviously not the GS!

@LMO169 8 месяцев назад

It's a GS, the F750GS.

@JayGee6996 8 месяцев назад

@@LMO169 yeah but not “the GS”

@obimmuogbodaniel2991 2 года назад

I want the adventure, please how much is it?

@paulhester1904 2 года назад

Great job.

@rodrigosegura6035 3 года назад

Hi Roman, I have a F850gs and I love it, but I feel it a little bit small for me, I'm 6'3 and 200 pounds. I do A lot of off roading and the f850gs its perfect there, My question is, if I upgrade to a 1250gs Adventure will I loose a lot of control off road because of the weight and size? If I do more off road, the F850 its a better option? thank you

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Rodrigo, you certainly have the height for it. I do think that bigger guys can handle the bid Adv off-road with no problems. There's much video evidence out there to prove it. When I was at the BMW off-road school I saw some bigger dudes toss around these bikes like they were 650s. With tires suitable for the task and some skill you can go anywhere. I took a few trips on my 1150GS to Death Valley years ago, and I got a lot of respect for these machines. Sure, you fall over a few times, then you pick it up and move on. Don't fear the beast. Tame it!

@Loiczzr 3 года назад

@@romanlemeshkov5657 size of tge person doesnt really matter much if you do mainly off road, you skill level is the key. I've seen pint size women (professional) handling those gs that i cant even do on my drz... My opinion would be to stick with the 850 which is lighter and has more power than you will ever need off road.

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

@@Loiczzr isn't there a rally seat available or have you already got that ? The rally seat on the f800gs puts the seat at 890mm with less ground clearance the 800 might actually have more room than the f850gs though.

@davidwilliams7220 2 года назад

Can i get a t-shirt Roman? good video, i went with GS TE in triple black, with lower bars, aux lights, and full 719 shadow billet kit

@morganmuniandy7587 2 года назад

Well explained

@ekokotingi1227 3 года назад

Hi Roman : can I get R1250 GSA that comes with low suspension model ?

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Yes, GSA comes with low option

@nigelspace1354 3 года назад

@ roman lemeshkov Great vid! Please tell us more about your pants.

@londonmoove707 2 года назад

hi i am 6.4, 194cm, what do you guys think that would suit me best ? gs or adventure ?

@Beinhartwie1chopper 2 года назад

Adventure!

@hammmodjabeer7278 2 года назад

Amazing

@PawelTestuje 3 года назад

Roman, Greetings to you from Poland!

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Pawel, mamy nadzieję, że odwiedzą Cię Państwo podczas podróży do Seattle

@skowmi5681 2 года назад

To bad you’re not located in Michigan!

@upward_onward 2 года назад

What will it take to own one of this machines 😁😉😁😉

@REBUTUOY__RM__5454 2 года назад

I like gs adventure

@stevenwescott1422 2 года назад

Well said.👍

@chriscrain2878 3 года назад

Roman, Great video. When you get time could you PLEASE do a detailed comparison on the differences in the various suspensions available on the GS/GSA? (GS Standard & Low and GSA Standard & Low). Nowhere I've looked can I get 'accurate and honest' info on the differences in heights on both bikes, nor can any of the myriad of dealers I've talked to give me real world info. Thanks!

@markhpluygers2226 3 года назад

Not only is the bike well equipped we see!!!!! Nice.

@vonbourque3015 3 года назад

Good video! I have a 32" inseam, could I flat foot the GSA with the seat in the low position and the dynamic suspension set to lowest setting? What are your thoughts on the GSA low chassis version vs standard, If your only going to ride on the paved or gravel roads? Thx!

@toma.2814 3 года назад

If you're only doing paved or gravel, I don't think you need to go low suspension or chasis with the GSA. I'm 30" inseam and ride perfectly at lowered seat on GSA. Only reason to go lower would be if you'll be doing a lot of city and heavy traffic stop&go

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Agree with Tom, but something to consider. In your attempt to get closer to the ground with the low seat you will be locked in the dip and shorten the seat to peg distance - less comfort, more knee bend. You will not be able to flatfoot a reg size adv. But not to worry. As you own the bike for awhile you will get comfortable with its tipping points and balance. It's a cliche, but you become more "one with the machine" and flat-footing it becomes not at all a priority.

@zeedustrakok 3 года назад

I can only tippy tow my GSA (with low seat). I started off with a low GS in 2013 and moved to a normal GSA in 2015 and just use a lower seat. I am not a fan of lowerd suspension since I scraped my centerstand quite a few times on the lowered one and never have on my GSAs. It is an easy bike to stabilise and I usually look where i put my feet (usually just one). The only thing I can't do is push the bike front or back when I am sitting on it, so I usually get off to push it back. And the leg angle? My legs are rather short, so the angle is less acute with a low seat than most people with normal seat. I still am rather fit, so using the tows on one foot to keep it upright at a stop isn't an issue.

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

@@zeedustrakok I have ridden a low chassis GSA with the standard seat. Really just a normal size bike at that point. The low seat would affect the seat to peg ratio. I guess you need to work out what works Best.

@maxflight777 3 года назад

Always choose the lighter bike ! More playful.

@fernandob1782 3 года назад

good video until they showed the wrong bike while showing how the front suspension works

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Good catch! It was a post-video "general dealership shots" type thing. We both know telelever rules!

@ricksohn2309 3 года назад

which one is better bike? still silly-shally choose one between them,, yesterday gs, today gsa through your video... whooow ,,, weight,,, seat position , I rode mtb about over 30 yrs, Now i am supposed to transit from mtb to gs... for short height(172cm), for my part I thought my best choice may be gs rather than weight, higher seat position, sales manager recommended that gsa is ultimate partner(answer) for me and every riders, gs is short of something like genuine parts including engine protection bar bigger windshield fog light and big tank for longer travel range in the far country... heavry 20kg weight btween gs and gsa is not burdensome,,, I am trying to join one riding school in california when covid 19 over. here is korea seoul......

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

If fuel range is not a priority, the GS may be a better fit for you.

@redaghamri9628 3 года назад

Beautiful motorcycle.

@san_n9888 3 года назад

R1300GS!

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

Give it a few years unless we're buying electric buy then! Should be 150hp by then. And even more torque. Was the LC 2013-2018 1250 2018- 2023 R1300 2023>

@tsc4945 3 года назад

With my average asian body size this bike definitely will crush me in a second

@Beinhartwie1chopper 2 года назад

No, it wii Fall on the engine guard because of the Boxer engine that is sticking way out

@basilishellas7291 2 года назад

For me BMW should produce only the Adventure.

@dcmsr5141 3 года назад

Bigger Gas tank less stops

@ekokotingi1227 3 года назад

I mean on 2021 models , I'm 5.8 by the way

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Yes, 2021 too.

@ekokotingi1227 3 года назад

@@romanlemeshkov5657 thanks

@RockBoyy1 3 года назад

I customized one over their website, and compared the prices, both with almost similar accessories range around 23k euros, even so I think the GSA is cheaper, and comes with more stock things than the GS.

@VivamusLibero 3 года назад

Standard GS look like premature born babe compare to GSA . My choice is GSA .

@redaghamri9628 3 года назад

I want one in black and yellow. But as a gift from you

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

A gift for an hour? Come ride our demo.

@redaghamri9628 3 года назад

@@romanlemeshkov5657 thank you brother🙏. But I live far away

@redaghamri9628 3 года назад

@@romanlemeshkov5657 👍

@robertlee8042 2 года назад

The Touratech made BMW branded top case and panniers are much inferior to Touratech branded. They don’t even have a handle. Their thin. Bad corners. The rack is also thinner. You need to buy liners with handles if you buy the BMW top case and panniers.

@Dragos.Gs.Adventure 2 года назад

Offcourse adventure

@r1250gsarider 3 года назад

GSA

@triveroloteamentos7001 3 года назад

👍

@njdoughboy 7 месяцев назад

Gasoline is 5 lbs/gallon. Water is 7.8.

@kylecolmar964 2 года назад

Reply great content

@ironhorsegladiator5034 3 года назад

OTD it will cost you around $30,000 for the GSA with all the options...

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

I agree, it's quite an investment. But the rewards are worth it.

@ironhorsegladiator5034 3 года назад

@@romanlemeshkov5657 True, I know, cause I own one. Is BMW still using Hayes calipers on their 2021 models?

@byever1 2 года назад

@@ironhorsegladiator5034 no. Recalled.

@tommays56 3 года назад

I love the bikes BUT the complexity seems to limit how much remote adventure they will survive

@tommays56 3 года назад

@@dietmdew845 Yes your correct that’s why there our so many broken BMW videos on RU-vid and so few for Honda

@tommays56 3 года назад

@@dietmdew845 I was going to buy a 2009 RT1200 police with 20,000 miles in seemingly perfect condition BUT I ran the VIN and there were 3 recalls on the bike and I discovered you can’t do much DIY service without buying the scan tool so I just couldn’t do it It would be difficult to go back to chain after the Suzuki Shaft Drive BUT my 400cc enduro with was 100% dirt and mud seemed to survive

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

Agree. Comfort, safety and performance these bikes are famous for causes complexity in design, but BMW has made their machines more reliable and inexpensive to own than ever before. With this badge the expectations are high, but for every rider who's had an issue there are fifty others who will tell you theirs is the best and the most solid machine they've ever owned, including yours truly. You can get a diagnostic tool, and BMW twins are the easiest and most accessible engines to work on. We can spend weeks pinning bmw to honda or ktm to bmw, etc but if your ride one of these, you'll know why you'd want to own one. You will be impressed, guaranteed.

@orneryhombre9078 3 года назад

Note that gasoline is 6#/gallon whereas water is ~ 8-1/2

@newoluap 2 года назад

Only in the US. The rest of the world (including metric countries) is 10 pounds of water per gallon. About 7-1/4 pounds for gasoline. Man I wish the States would wake up and go metric.

@ilikelampshades6 Год назад

Omg the imperial system is so annoying. What is a gallon? What is a pound? use metric already lol

@chrslrpg 3 года назад

Sleepy...

@needmetal3221 3 года назад

How is it their bikes are so good and their cars are money toilets?

@romanlemeshkov5657 3 года назад

I've been lucky with BMW cars so far.

@maxflight777 3 года назад

I’m laughing! I have an X5 (new) which is basically shit (unless you want to look cool outside the restaurant!) and a 4 year old 520D which is phenomenal! (All the car you ever need) The 520D has far better comfort / faster and superior handling than the bloated ill thought out and unreliable X5 !

@Loiczzr 3 года назад

In Europe they are/were very good (left Europe 27 years ago) in the US they are crap...(same goes for VW, volvo and Mercedes)

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

I love BMW bikes . I would never buy there cars Ford's for me all day long.