Considering the 35 likes this comment got, that might just happen someday! I think it might be easier to break it down into smaller categories and go more in depth within that category... or at least better for my personal sanity.
I own a pair of pivot 14 and a pair of griffons. At a 9 din I feel both are just right right for me. I fall into the range of the higher end bindings but there’s no need considering they are heavier and much more expensive. I like both of them and there are pros and cons to both. Having to put your ski back on in deep snow with a pivot is true pain that heel loves to get off center if it’s not lined up properly or it turns a bit while trying to step in. Griffon is easier in that respect but it does take more force to get in. The way the pivot is designed you can absolutely feel the whole ski flexing under foot while the griffon kind of gives more of a sturdy platform. Both have pros and cons in that respect. The pivots elastic travel is noticeable for type 3 and 3+ skiers there are times when you mess up a bit and you feel the heel in the pivot start to release, but you get yourself together and it sucks you right back in. It’s a pretty cool feeling. When I have released in pivots I couldn’t feel it happening which is not something I can say about the griffon. The pivot never pre released on me but I have had a situation where the toe on my griffon let go prematurely. I was basically at a complete stop looking for my next line and it just felt as though my binding just let go with zero effort. It wasn’t really a big deal I just skied down one mogul on my other ski grabbed it and put it back on. Still kinda weird and gave me some trust issues for a while. Haven’t had issues since tho so that’s a good thing. Marker bindings have the pro of being able to switch out brakes easily when switching the binding to another ski which really is a big plus compared to the pivot. I plan to keep both for a long while and I’m sure they will continue to serve me well. I think if you fall into the type 3 or 3+ skier range you should give pivots a try if you haven’t already. they are worth the money in my opinion.
This comparison video was MASSSIVELY helpful for me! I'm a long-time skier but a first-time buyer this year. Always did rentals as a tourist skier but did it plenty with my dad growing up. I've struggled to find good videos that compare the gear that I want to see but this channel's ski and binding reviews have been the pinnacle of comparative information. Thank you, deeply and truly.
I found better prices elsewhere online for my bindings....but bought them from Ski Essentials just because of these AWESOME review videos!!! yall are the best thank you so much!
The extra ski flex you get from the pivot is actually really noticeable. I recently changed the bindings on my skis from the dynafit beast to the pivot and it made the tail so much more flexible, took some getting used to. At first I actually didn't really like it and thought the ski felt too soft but now I love it, makes the skis feel so much more lively.
Another helpful video, Jeff! I appreciate the time you took and the effort to make it. I learned a few things, so watching it was worth the time for me. Thank you, again! Happy holidays to you and the crew!
Hi Jeff! Communicated with a Marker F12 tour specialist and he reported that the frame was not totally rigid but had some flex to it. The major shortcomings are probably stack height and weight. However, the shortcoming of stack height might to some extent be mitigated by the construction of this particular frame, but weight is what it is, like 300 grams heavier than the Salomon S/lab shift 13.
Great review......one thing worth mentioning about the Tyrolia Attacks (other than the low stand height and wide toe piece) is that they are also very easy to step into. Useful in deeper snow. Some of the Marker bindings in particular can be harder to step into.
In a blind test I doubt most people would be able to tell which alpine Bindings they are riding except for when it comes to the Look Pivot. But Bindings are about safety, feel, and control... then weight. I work at a shop and usually recommend the SPX and Pivot if your Need Priorities are performance and safety (Look toe pieces also release vertically for added elastic travel and safety). Put a Pivot on your most favoritest ski(s)/daily drivers; and put anything else you can get a deal on on the rest of your quiver/future hand-me-downs. Next recommendation are Bindings like the salmon/atomic warden because of it's multi-boot sole norm compatibility. Then it'll fit any of your, or, someone else's alpine boots for any reason.
I miss my 1973 Look Nevada Gran Prix bindings. I had 7 sets. I used to run them on my Dynamic VR17's and my Rossi Roc 550's. They looked almost exactly like the current Look Pivot. Amazing. The old binding had a turntable heal too. Back to 1974 Hooray. Those bindings were sensational bindings that I'd buy today if they were available.
I have the attack 11's as a fairly intermediate skier (running 8 DIN at 170 lbs 6'0) and love them so far! no accidental pre-releases so far, and I like how stable and low they feel on faction agent 100s (100mm underfoot)
Really good binding for that ski! There's not a massive difference between the Attack 11 and 13, I think the Attack 11 is one of the best in that DIN range.
Good video! When it came time to upgrade the skis for both myself and my daughter, I went with Look. Mostly, because I believe they are safer. As you say, I am sure the other bindings do release as designed, but Look bindings are designed to have additional vectors of release. The 180 degree release at the toe is a big deal. The turn table heal lowers the chance of tibia fractures. Throw in the excellent elastic travel, low stand height, and shorter footprint that allows better flex in the ski... well the competition has a way to go.
There's no question it gives you an incredible connection to your skis and allows for a very natural flex pattern. It's amazing to think how long that design has been around...
Great video and thank you for the great information and advice. Jeff put me into Tyrolia Attack 13 about two years ago and still lovin' them.... even purchased two more pairs for my new work skis. Those bindings get the job done. My confidence binding!
Came back to this after 3 years on Pivot 12s on recommendation from this video. I was getting my brother some skis and really pissed off the salesman when I said I’d never put any other binding on my resorts ski, but I stand by it!
My local ski shop guy who does all their bindings says Salomon consistently has the most accurate DIN settings according to whatever instrument he uses to test them, so he uses those and recommends them. Sounds like that is as good of a differentiator as anything else. My first and longtime all-rounder ski binding is a Look SPX, and my new powder-ski binding is a Salomon and... tere is no debate, the Look bindings look the best!
There aren't really any bad bindings anymore. I tend to go with a past model year that is on deep discount and has a maximum DIN of at least 13. That sometimes means strange color combinations (like a blue and Orange Hart Fusion with Fischer FF Z17). I have had turntable heels in the past (Marker MRR on Dynamic VR27 SL DP) and didn't notice any difference over a standard heel setup.
The Rossi/Look pivot is the best binding. Why? It's shock absorbing capability, lateral and veritcal in the toe and vertical in the heel. Also the screw/mount pattern of the heel and toe are very close allowing for more of the ski's natural flex and counter flex. In most skiing we constantly develop shock so a binding with better/more shock travel will hold a good skier in more consistently and allows an aspiring skier to push a bit yet the pivot still has a consistent smooth release even at slower speeds. I can't think of another binding I'd rather ski on.
question - for those of us who need a DIN setting of between 7 and 10, what's the point or benefit of going beyond the Squire 11 or Attack 11 or even Look's NX 11 or SPX 10? based on the variety of online DIN calculators, i can't find many scenarios of a person needing much more than a 10. so, should we instead be buying a binding that STARTS just below our calculated DIN setting, or should we be in the middle of a binding's DIN range, or are we buying other things like features and durability (for when someone smacks into us or rides over top of our skis)? i mean, if I need a DIN of 8.5, then any binding that goes to 11 is fine, right?
Yeah, it's mostly a durability and longevity thing, but there's a bit of safety to it too. In my opinion, it's never good to max out the DIN range of a binding. I'm sure some would disagree, but I've seen settings like that result in some inconsistent release values when testing. I would say someone at a 7 DIN is likely going to be just fine on those 11 DIN bindings. Someone who skis a 10 DIN, on the other hand, shouldn't be skiing a Squire or an Attack 11, in my opinion. For you, at an 8.5 DIN, if you van build it into your budget, I would go to a 12, 13, or 14 DIN binding. It's going to perform a bit better, last a bit longer, and in theory, have more consistent release values. As a general rule, it's better to be near the middle of a DIN range than at either end of the range. I wish I could give you a more black and white answer, but there's a bit of subjectivity to it too. I (Jeff) use a DIN setting of 10. I've skied Attack 11s, Squires, and other low DIN bindings without catastrophic failure, but I don't like doing so and am constantly a little on edge.
@@SkiEssentials would it be more sensible in that case for a buyer to pick a binding that puts their own DIN towards the lower end of the available range? like, if someone's DIN is usually an 8, would it be more sensible for them to get a binding that goes 6-16 so that they have much more upper range as they progress and get better and more aggressive? or would you generally recommend not planning that far ahead (like, assume a new binding every 5 years anyways so no point over-buying today) also - slight tangent, would you be able to go into setting a different DIN for different ski/snow conditions, for the same user? like, if Bob has carving skis and powder skis and casual skis, would Bob set them all to the same DIN of 9, or would Bob alter the DIN based on what each ski is used for? your Bob or any Bob! :)
Most likely going to bump up to the Marker Jesters, i’ve been rocking the Marker griffin 13 but i’ve had them for a good minute and feel like i’m becoming a more aggressive skier so i’ll probably go with the slightly heavier, better built binds. Thanks for the info!
Maslow’s hierarchy of needs for a man: A woman, Salomon STH2 16’s, food, shelter (in that order). Nothing like mounting a pair of STH2’s, and although I love the Pívot’s, getting the forward pressure right can be tricky. I love the Attack 13 demo bindings too on skis that I move the position of the bindings forwards and backwards depending on conditions.
Attack demo bindings are probably my favorite right now, except they can be so hard to move on cold days! STH 16 is an awesome binding. I was pretty disappointed we didn't have one to include in this video. I think it's fair to say setting forward pressure on a Pivot is somewhat of an art form, hahaha.
Happy New Year Jeff. No need to be disappointed. You made a great video and I guess we could end up having a dedicated STH2 16 video. The demo Attacks 13’s are super solid and easy to mount, even free mount. The forward pressure on the Pivot is an art that I’m still working on. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the video! quite useful information man :) :) I just would like to share that I broke the Shift binding 3 times in 3 different places (toe piece, level, brake...) it left me stranded in some difficult faces so I really can´t recommend it. Lightweight YES, reliable.. NOT REALLY
Great review. I am very impressed with the quality of bindings these days. I can't think of the last time I had a pre-release, which used to be an issue in the 1980s :-) Only issue I've had with bindings in 20 years I'd say is the AFD moving plates under the toe of the boot. I've had 2 of these on Look bindings fail to the point where I had to get new toe pieces mounted to the skis. Not good, and Look didn't want to know about refunds in either case and they were under a month old in one case and 3 months the other. So I just opt for kit that doesn't have the moving plates to avoid repeat performances.
Honnestly, as an aggressive skier, I got a bunch of issues with the pivot. As I liked the elastic travel of them and the way they keep te natural flex, I personnally think that the toe piece is cheaply made, especially the small metal piece that link the toe with the metals discs. I owned 2 pairs of pivots, and both ended up the same way, this little piece was cracked/and fell appart. It’s a great binding, but as Jeff said, clearly not for everyone. I own a pair of salomon sth since 2015 and I’d say it’s the best binding for my needs in the market. I’m testing some warden this year, as I didn’t find some new STH, curious to see how they compare each other. Excellent video btw, keep up the good work!
Silly question : Can i put a race ski plate in an all mountain ski like Atomic Maverick? Race plate is supposed to be able to adjust back and forth the bindings without making new drill holes right?
In theory, you could, and yes, that concept is true, but putting a race plate on a Maverick would be giving it a big dead spot right in the middle of the ski. A lot of modern skis are intended to have a smooth, natural flex, which definitely describes the Maverick. While you could put a race plate on it, it's not something I would ever do personally.
Do you think I could put a 95mm binding on the faction prodigy 2 that is 98mm wide or would that be a problem? Because I want the look pivot 15 on it and the next bigger size is 115mm.
Great video Jeff. I'm looking to upgrade my kit and and I want to get into a hybrid binding so it was good to get a general introduction of the Shifts and the Dukes. Watched most of the video though and it was very informative. I last bought equipment back in the early 2000s so a lot has changed so it's great to learn what's out there. Cheers!!!
Yes, that's actually something I meant to include in this video. Maxing out the DIN range of a binding is never a good idea. If you chart to an 11 DIN, a Squire is no where near enough binding for you, at least that's my opinion.
I have the attack 13 bindings. But im thinking about upgrading to the 16.which would be better for an all mountain powder ski? Attack 16 or the look pivot?
I've skied both on powder skis and they both perform really well. Back when I was competing I skied the Attack 16 more than anything else and it never let me down. I do like how Pivots allow the ski to flex a little more, but I feel like that's less noticeable in powder.
Marker completely redesigned the Squire for 2022. I would be interested to know your opinion on the redesigned Squire and where you feel there is still a “upper weight.” Great video as always. Thank you.
This might sound crazy, but the 95 mm brake actually fits pretty well. That's what I have on my personal pair of Enforcer 104s. Some people might think it's too tight, but in my opinion, it actually fits perfectly.
Have somewhere between 50-100 days on warden 13s. Not even close to the most primo of bindings but I haven't had a single pre-release, and they released in a crash that should have been a tib/fib(stuffed the tip straight into a boulder on an air). It was still a season-ender, but only because the crash was in april. Could have been a lot worse! Considering that the warden 13 isn't even a "primo" binding, I think the notion that there aren't any bad ones out there is correct.
Attack 13s: Low stand height and lightweight, but become unnoticeable once I get up to speed. Cheap retail price, and can be found even cheaper during end of season sales. Preleased once randomly at slow speeds, but chalking it up as a freak incident and not enough to really deter me from Attacks. Oh, and the heel piece can be a b**** to adjust along the track to adjust for fwd pressure and bsl for new boots. Griffons: Nothing really stood out to me IMO: not the lightest, lowest, or cheapest, but performs just fine. After experiencing a "phantom" step in issue however, I won't be going back to Griffons anytime soon (even with their redesigned heel piece). After a fall one time and clicking fully back in, my boot kept popping out the moment I put weight on it to turn. Kept repeating immediately one after the other no matter how much I cleared my soles and bindings of snow. I've read snow can get packed deep in the toe piece and hard to see, which I may have missed, but a binding should not click in if I'm going to get ejected immediately like I did lol. STH2 13s: Skied fine but not sure I liked the taller stand height (which I get some people like). To be fair, I only had 1 or 2 days on these on a pair of fat pow sticks (Bent 120s). Currently have a pair of Pivot 15s on the way to go on my dailies, but will give the STH2s another try if I'm not feeling the Pivots.
For me Attack 13 is the definition of Prerelease. DIN 11 and 105kg was to mutch for this Binding. Pivot 14 was a Day to Night feeling. I just love the Heel. You can feel how it is working in the Park. This long release way is priceless.
I’ve been looking at experimenting with Delta/ramp angle. I was wondering if there’s a binding that you would suggest to do that with that has a changeable toe or heel height or both
Most of that stuff is aftermarket--experimenting with lifters and such. The Pivot used to come with shims for the toe--I think they were 2mm shims, and you had to use the longer screws that came with the binding. I do not think they do that anymore.
Realistically, for most skiers, both bindings are going to be be plenty safe. You could, however, argue that a Pivot is safer because it allows for vertical release out of the toe. Certainly no guarantee it will release, and plenty of people have had knee injuries on Pivots, but in theory, the Pivot will release in specific situations where a Jester Pro might not. That said, I've skied park on both and I trust both from a safety perspective.
Hey just a question, you guys may have made a mistake when you guys said that the pivot 15/18 doesn’t have an upward release and just wanted to ask a follow up question as I saw on the website that both have upward release, the only difference is the whole race toe(18) moves upward whereas the 14 has the full action toe piece where only the two lips go upward. Because both have full 180 degree multidirectional release. I might be getting confused, just wanted a second clarification on the topic.
Yeah, that wasn't as clear as it should've been. Yes, there is still upward release on the Pivot 15 and 18, it's just a lot different than the 14 and 12. That's come up in other comments, our apologies for the confusion!
If you can swing the extra cost, I'd go Attack 13. It's always nice to have a binding that might be "too much" rather than a binding that might not be enough... so to speak.
shift is finesse, duke pt 16 is POWERRRrrrrrr, spent the evning mounting duke pt 16's on revolt 121s... next to it on wall is BC120 with shift, win win Soo V 2.0 of this video is 3-4 hours? ;)
Yes! That's a perfect way to describe it. I'm going to put a Duke PT on something pretty similar! Might have to do a longer one based off all these comments... ;)
I’ve recently purchased 2022 Atomic Bentchetler 100 in 180 length. Looking to either mount Salomon Warden MNC 13 or Look Pivot 15. I’m 53 years old, 5’ 11” and 220. Advanced Intermediate ski level and usually ski out West in Colorado or Utah. I have Tecnica Mach Sport EHV 120 Grip walk boots. My Din is between 7-8 usually, I.m looking to protect my knees as I get older and was advised to get the Look Pivot but, is that too much Binding or a good selection based on the above info for me? Please advise
Certainly not too much binding for you, no. It's a little heavier, but a great choice for someone concerned about knee injuries thanks to the amount of elastic travel in both the toe and heel and the twisting release. You'll love it. Pivot skis better than the Warden too, so a win win, just more expensive.
I got a pair of Pivots with my ON3P Woodsman skis. The bindings have a wide range of directions where they will not pop off. I see a lot of kids in the park with Pivots going off jumps and landing backwards, etc.
The side release makes them super popular with park skiers because you can lean really far forward and backwards with out them coming off. I have ON3P Magnus 102s and paired with the flex of the ski they are game changers
I was a marker fanboy (griffon and then jester) until I found the tyrolia attack. I chart out at about 8.5 but usually crank to 9 on all my bindings as I am a big dude. I have never once had a tryolia binding fail on me or not release when it should have. I have had very consistent release from them. Almost always doing something stupid, but never any risk of pre-release when the going gets tough and need them to stay on. I have fully ditched marker due to the awful step in force required. I think the attack does the best in terms of great power transmission and easy step in, even when there is lots of fresh snow. Don't get me wrong I have a pivot 14 on my powder skis but at the end of the day a $200 retail tyrolia attack 13 is more than enough for literally every advanced to expert level skier other than those hucking cliffs or hitting huge park features OR if you are a dedicated mogul skier due to the short mount point and more even ski flex, combined with the unprecedented elastic travel. I have had awesome luck with the tyrolia and they also play nice with kastle skis with the shallow mounting required on some fancy thin kastle skis. don't get me wrong, I would put a pivot on every ski if I had $350 or $400 to throw at bindings but with a 5 ski quiver I would rather buy another set of skis and throw attacks on them.... I do have a look SPX 12 on my rossi hero elite plus ti ski and no complaints about that either. kind of surprised to hear you are not a huge PIVOT FANBOY but at the end of the day the DIN and your ability is what matters, not necessarily the brand. well said and good review. I will continue to put my trust in tyrolia as long as they continue to produce a great affordable binding.
Don't get me wrong either, I love skiing Pivots, and own my fair share, but you hit the nail on the head in this assessment: "at the end of the day a $200 retail tyrolia attack 13 is more than enough for literally every advanced to expert level skier other than those hucking cliffs or hitting huge park features" That's a very similar way to how I try to describe bindings. You really have to be pushing the limits to need a high-DIN, heavier binding. Also, Marker did a pretty good job reducing the step in force required on the new versions of their bindings. They didn't change much, but the changes they made are noticeable and I think a lot of people will have an easier time with them.
@@SkiEssentials thanks!!! great to hear about marker getting a little more user friendly. Either way don’t know why you would go with anything other than an attack 13. There will always be those guys or ladies who need a bomb proof binding, but let’s be honest most folks who ski resorts most likely don’t even have a din over 8 so no reason to drop coin on something where you can barely set the din to as low as you need...
What is your view on the new Atomic Strive 14 and Tyrolia Protector PR 13. Do you know how much is the elastic travel on the toe and heel piece on the protector (the non-lateral travel) ?
The Strive bindings work great. We find the 16, with the upgraded heel piece, is a better option than the 14, which doesn't quite feel as substantial. It's fine, but the 16 is considerably nicer as long as your chart into it. Can't find info on the Protector travel, but from our time on the PRD 12 Protectors last year, they're pretty sweet. A bit heavier in the heel.
Hey John! Would love to do a STH review. I have a pair of an Armada Declivity 92. Perhaps I'll do a deep dive review of that binding in the coming weeks.
@@SkiEssentials I am a big guy (6'3", 230#). I actually wore out a pair of Salomon bindings (metal fatigued both of them). I replaced them with the STH2 and they've been bulletproof.
Just got a pair of Technica Cochise 120 as I am planning on getting into more backcountry but need to update my resort bindings so I can use the grip walk soles. Looking between the griphons and the attack 14s. Is there any major difference between the two that I should be aware of?
Not a major difference, no. Grip Walk will work perfectly well with the Attack 13 too if you want to save a little money and get the lower stand height. It's only the rockered touring soles that don't work with Attack 13s.
Mostly just durability, but also some power transfer too. A higher DIN binding is going to use stronger materials (metal vs plastic, typically), a stronger overall design, and a stronger spring. That binding will undoubtedly last longer than a comparable lower-DIN binding. There's something to be said about power transfer too. Plastic has more flex to it, so a higher-DIN binding is generally going to perform better than a lower-DIN binding. It's also never a great idea to max out a DIN range. For example, let's say you set your DIN to 9.5, it wouldn't be a good idea to have a DIN range that maxes out at 10, and even 11 would be pushing it in my opinion.
Been skiing for about 50 yrs on and off. Just bought a pair of Salomon Stance 90 and my plan is to put a pair of STH2 16 on them. Do you think the DIN is bit too much? Weigth is about 77 kg. I’m a relatively aggressive skier who mostly prefer high speed, long carving turns on groomers but has also done some off piste skiing on a pair of Black Crows Sevun with PX12 set on 8-9.
For skiers who are worried about their knees, the Protector seems to be a great option. The Attack has the wider toe platform so it works better with wider skis while the PR series is better suited for narrower and more front side skis. The heel piece is heavier, so that could be considered a downside on the Attack side, but we've found that it actually adds a bit of stability to the carvers.
Hello, just recently bought the salomon warden 11 MNC and got them mounted. I noticed that the rear binding wobbles on the binding track whenever im not clicked in but once i actually step in all wobble goes away and feels secure. Im fairly new to skiing and these are my first pair of skiis and am just wondering if this wobble is normal.
That sounds normal to me. A lot of heel pieces will have a little bit of movement between the actual heel mechanism and the track until you click your boot in. I would just keep an eye on it. If it gets worse, something's up. If you ever feel some movement while you are clicked in, go get it checked out ASAP. What's nice is just about any ski area will have a reputable binding tech on staff somewhere on the mountain, so pretty easy to get it safety checked even in a pinch on a given day.
I am debating between the Jester and the Griffon. My DIN is set usually around 8-9 - based on research I've done, people have said that the griffons are easier to damage than the jesters due to the heel piece construction. As a skier who tends to work his gear hard, what would you recommend?
Hey Soren! I would go with the Jester if you're worried about damaging your gear. Those of us who are hard on gear typically know we're hard on gear based on past experiences. You can break a heel piece of a Griffon more easily than a Jester, yes. Do most people have to worry about that? Absolutely not, but it's possible. The Jester has a magnesium heel piece, the Griffon is plastic.
These designations are normally used in Amer bindings, Atomic, Salomon, Armada. It's the interface pattern, so the C goes with an STH style while the B is the Colt. D might be Strive? I'm not sure.
i have a question: i'm a level 3 skier and yes i want my skis to stay on in the 99% of the scenarios and i just bought the new m free 108s but i have to chose between the spx12 and the pivots, i ride almost only in freeride and a little bit of park, do you think that the spx12 will do the work just fine or you suggest to pick the pivots? i'm 18 and i weight 60 kg...
Given a choice of Pivots or not Pivots, we're going with Pivots pretty much every time. Sure SPX is a fine binding, but the shorter mount point of the Pivot makes a big difference.
So for 2024, K2 and Volkl/Marker are now merged under an umbrella company. As a result, they're able to color-coordinate their skis and bindings better. The Griffon has a Mindbender 99Ti match that looks sharp.
30:50 I look at the Look product page and read online forums, all of them say there's vertical release in the metal pivot 18 and the new 15s. Can you clarify that? Doesn't the metal housing move left/right and up/down as one piece?
It does. The whole housing is 180-degree multi-directional release. The entire housing rotates on the central axis point for vertical release. The 14's and lower have wings that accomplish the same thing, they just leave the forebody of the housing as a static piece.
Hello! Not off track at all. The DIN number is indicating what range of Nm release values the bindings will have. I've only ever seen those values in Nm, but certainly could be expressed in foot-pounds too.
Would pivot 14 fit well on nordica enforcer 104 186? Right in the middle of 95 and 115 break width so not sure if 115 would drag. Other option considering is marker jester 16 110
115 drags, but not terribly. I have a personal pair of Enforcer 104s and went for the 95 mm brake. It's a tight fit, but I prefer that to having excess overhang.
Will a Tyrolia attack 13 95mm brake fit a 102mm width ski? Asking due to a sale, they don't have an option for the 100mm brake. Also, what are your thoughts on the Head Attack 2 13 GW binding? Cheers
Quick question. Where would you put the Salomon Warden MNC 13 115mm, what’s its closest comparison? I picked this up to mount on my qst 106, but would prefer a slimmer brake width at 110mm?
The Warden 13 falls into the same category of binding as the Marker Griffon 13 or the Tyrolia Attack2 13. These bindings have a DIN range that accommodates most adult skiers. A 105mm or 110mm brake option would fit a bit tighter to the ski for less overhang in the brake, but your Warden 13 with a 115mm brake would certainly still work fine.
Jeff, thank you for the video! I bought my first set of skis recently, 2024 K2 Mindbender 89ti, and chose the Marker Squire 11 (without doing too much prior research). I am an intermediate skier 5'11'' & 175 lbs. I have about 10 days of skiing on them and have not had any issues so far but they do feel flimsy, especially as I am beginning to ski advanced terrain & bumps. Would you recommend changing them now (if so what would you recommend as an alternative?) or should I take my chances for the time being? Thanks so much!
I think you are right in that they are fine. The Marker Griffon will feel more substantial, but will likely not make a big difference when it comes to sheer performance. Confidence, yes, but performance, not quite as much.
I’m trying to qualify for the fwt I grew up destroying griffins and am looking for a 16 din binding I’m thinking the attacks but how much better are the jesters cause like I said I destroyed griffins before and am skeptical about going back to marker and on another note I’ve heard pivots are not the best pow binding what is your opinion on that
To be honest I can't really say I prefer the Attack over the Jester or vice versa. Both would work just fine, plenty of people on the FWT using both bindings without issue. I also have no issue with Pivots in powder if you want to go that route. I think the reason why some people complain about them in soft snow is they can be kinda hard to click back into if it's really deep.
Do u think the market squire 11 Id is good for all mountain and park I just got the bent chetler 100s and was wondering if these bindings will go well with them.
@@dovidschulhof4302 just based on your weight I think it makes sense to bump up to the Griffon 13, Attack 13, etc, especially if you'll be in the park.
Yeah, for basic park skiing, they'll work fine. If you start hitting bigger jumps, doing bigger spins, etc, you'll probably want a stronger binding, or at least one with less moving parts.
Pivot 18 vs jester 18 ? You feel more difference betweek mounting them on a park or big mountain ski ? (I intend to mount one of this two on a big mountain ski)
In my opinion, you notice the difference more in the park. Really I think it's firmer snow conditions when you're really flexing the ski where you start to feel the difference in the Pivot. In softer now and on bigger, wider skis, there isn't as much of a difference. A lot of skiers like the Jester as it just feels super solid.
Hi Jeff, I'm 5'10'', 175 lbs, wearing size 27 boots, ski on groomed surfaces, intermediate (blue to black) for the most time, know how to parallel, but still practicing. I am currently setting my DIN to be 7, but I'm not sure if that's the correct number for me. Do you have any recommendation on my DIN or any specific binding? Thanks a lot!
7 sounds perfect to me. If you identified as a type 3 skier, that would move up to 8.5, but it doesn't sound like that's necessary. For binding choice, I'd stick with those bindings I mentioned were the "bread and butter" of all ski bindings. Attack 13, Griffon 13, SPX, Warden... all good choices for you.
what's a good binding for trail skiing, tree skiing, small moguls, intermediate to advanced intermediate skier. 6' 180. Using a 156 Nordica Soul rider or Head Kore? 83-86 maybe. Looks like Im buying from you guys/gals.
Lots of good options. Marker Griffon 13 and Tyrolia Attack 13 are probably the best value. SPX 12 is another good one, or Warden 13. You shouldn't need "more" binding than those.
Thanks Sean! We're going to try to get out hands on the CAST system to do a direct comparison and/or a solo review as a lot of you have been asking about it.
Great vid. I ended up going with the Pivot 14 because of this video. They were a little more but I'm old and fat and thought the Pivot is safer. I'll feel better about it.
Do you think an attack Eleven is enough binding for a five foot five, hundred and sixty pound type 3 skier? Din is 7. I've always bought griffin thirteen's or attack fourteen, but trying to save a few dollars.
You chart right in the middle, so sure, the 11 will be enough. Will it deliver the same mental confidence as the Griffon or Attack 14? That is up to you. I'm seeing a $40 difference between the Squire and Griffon/Attack. Is that worth the peace of mind? I feel like if you're asking the question, then it's worth the extra $.
Looking to put bindings on new Elan Ripstick 106. Between Griffon 13 and Warden 13. I’m an advanced all mountain skier, pretty aggressive, lots of back bowls, choppy snow, etc. 5’11” 165lbs. I’m hearing that Wardens are more durable, with a slightly larger pitch. Griffon of course very popular. Any advice?
I would say Wardens are more durable, but you have a higher stand height on the Warden. Some skiers don't like that and prefer being closer to the ski, which is especially common on wider skis like the Ripstick 106. It might not be helpful in the moment, but Salomon/Atomic has a new binding next year called the Strive that will take a lot of the Warden business. Either would work, but remember the stand height as you make your decision.
Hello! I am a big moutain and freestyle backcountry skier. I have been skiing on the griffon for the past 3 years. I was wondering if the pivots14/15 were worth the extra 200/500 or so grams over the griffon because I will buy new skis for next season. (for information I skied the atris for the past 3years and I am looking into buying the revolt 104 and the anima)
200 grams isn't going to feel like a big difference. So, if you're looking for a slightly stronger binding, but one that's still relatively light, the Pivot 14 would be great. 500 grams will be noticeable. Some skiers don't mind it (I have Pivot 18s on a lot of my skis and don't mind the extra weight), although generally lighter and/or less aggressive skiers will notice a difference.
just bought some bent 120’s and looking for a binding - stuck between the warden 13 and new sth 16. what are the main differences? what would you recommend? open to suggestions for other bindings.
A lot of people prefer the toe of the STH over the Warden. Better connection to your boot, more precise power transfer, more elastic travel. I would go with the new Strive 14 over the Warden and if you're sticking with Salomon/Atomic, choose either Strive 14, 16, or STH 16. Pivots are always an excellent choice too. More expensive than more bindings, but excellent feel. Lots of elastic travel and a short drill pattern.
