Thank you for this great content. I think the spreadsheet you presented is the best tool to eventually understand what a nonsense it is to keep piling up HP that can be achieved over 8-9 krpm for a street bike. Low / medium torque should be the main, if not the only, criteria for choosing a street bike (as opposed to HP measures for power). The only reason to take into account pick power could be if you’re a real track days addict and if you can’t afford a dedicated bike just for that use but I guess this is a relatively small niche among the customers buying this kind of machines. Great job 👏👍
"Low / medium torque should be the main, if not the only, criteria for choosing a street bike (as opposed to HP measures for power)" Nahh, Buy the Thruxton, it has 125 nm at 4000, it should be the best bike if we follow your rules... but it has no power !! You very quickly miss that ! Those super naked needs power, that's why we love them. If you only love the torque that's not the kind of bike you should buy. For me, I quickly sold my Thruxton RS and bought the Speed Triple 1200 RS and for me it is 1000 X enjoyable. But to each his own, I guess the Thruxton is more for you...
I own (and love) the prior gen Speed Triple RS. Of all the reviews I've watched, this one hit everything I have felt right on the button. (*which isn't a surprise because Scott really gets down to the nitty-gritty very quickly). My bike does have keyless ignition but does not have a keyless fuel tank lock (which is what I think Scott was mentioning). Scott's take on the bike matches my observations (though I have not test-ridden the new bike personally, our dealer local to me here in Michigan is a no-go on test rides because they only have one of these in stock). The last-gen bike is a better street-focused machine, the new bike is a better track-focused machine. The service interval is an extraordinary achievement that I applaud on the new bike, which is impressive. I personally fail to understand the 180-220HP level super-naked bikes, because over 120mph you are just barely hanging on, the wind is trying to rip you off the bike on a naked - which is thrilling for a go but *no* fun for any length of time - and there is really no place on any public road you are going to do that legally. If I want to go to the track, I want some way to tuck and get out of that wind at speed. A great review on a great bike but in the end, I'll happily continue riding my 'slow' 1050 Speed Triple RS.
The new gen is so much lighter and steers much more easily into and out of bends plus the engine spins up a lot quicker. It is a better bike except for the single anaemic sounding Euro 5 exhaust which killed it for me.
@@alexmorgan3435 completely agree. The 2020 1050 RS is a great bike. The 2021 is better in every way. Best bike I have ever ridden and I own a Tuono V4
Thanks Scott, yea, keep your 1050, I'd only recommend upgrading if you do track days. The 1200 is a great bike but for me it got way to serious, much like the S1000R, track day serious. For the street, I live around 5,000 RPMs, this bike sounds anemic until you hit 8,000 but for the street, urban areas and keeping legal speeds in mind, you'll never get much beyond 7,000...at least I shift by that time. take care, Scott
@@Thomas-qn4hj I test rode the 2017 Speed R back to back with the new one. If I already owned the previous Speed I wouldn't rush out to buy the new one. It was more smooth and stable, plenty agile and power for me. I'm a smaller guy and the slimmed down new Speed just fits me better.
@@thuy515 About to take mine out for an epic 250-300+ mile ride, hope to get some good video (don't have a vlog setup yet). Funny you mention being on the smaller size, I felt the 2019 was actually the lowest of all the bikes I looked at, I myself happen to be on the larger side of the scale, and I'm still trying to find stiffer springs to help out the front end coup with the extra weight. I do love the smooth power delivery and most of the time I can keep up with the more exotic bike riders if not pass by them on our backroads. A V4 might sound better, but the Triple isn't that far off.
@@Thomas-qn4hj I just want a Tuono because of all the rave and hype from everyone, and the engine sound makes it hard to pass up. I decided on the Speedy because well... sometimes your hero is too far away and maybe you shouldn't meet your hero yet for me in this case. By the time I'm ready for another bike they'll improve on it even more, I'm waiting for the Tuono to get the RSV4's 1099cc motor.
Glad to see you back. Totally agree with you. I was a little bit underwhelmed by the new RS especially given all the hype. If anything it was a little bland, sterile especially the sound of it and the colour schemes. 4 days later I rode the SDR 3.0 and loved it. Found the switch gear and electronics more intuitive to operate, the TFT is better. It just has so much more soul and a beating thumping heart. The new Speed RS is fast and a very very capable bike, the suspension on the firm side but great, the brakes awesome, but as an over all package I just found the SDR 3.0 more ............ fun to ride. It has so much more presence. It only costs about £600 more here in the UK. Thanks as always. Your tables are a winner. Two thumbs sky high.
100% agree on the the joystick/turn signal confusion. There's too much going on on the left handle bar. Could definitely use some improvement in tactile feel as well. It's the same on my 18' Street Triple and is really the only thing I could complain about on the bike.
love your slow riding ethos... i lost too many friends in my youth to lunatic riding. I used to hate it, when i was young, and i'd get home a bag of nerves after overcooking bends and having a few close shaves. Now, slow is the new fast :-], and i enjoy it so much more! Nice review, btw, the Triumph has a lot of character, better than the Japanese bikes. That's disappointing that the throttle is jerky, it can ruin an otherwise perfectly good bike [my SV650a, for example].
"Nothing to prove" on the street, riding "fast" belongs on a track day, there you'll see me trying to pass everybody and myself 🤣🤣 but the street, no, way too many things can and do appear around the next bend. I started doing track days in my thirties, that is when I slowed down on the street. I wished I had started doing track days when I was 20 years old. It puts everything into perspective. And like you, I would still have those friends around 😢 take care, Scott
@@NothingToProve yes, it was pretty much the same story with me. I did some production bike racing on a LC/YPVS in the 80's and that killed any desire to speed on the public roads.
The super naked class is all about specifications and a dopamine rush. All of that power without any wind protection gets old real fast on the highway. For the price Truimph should have gone with electronically adjustable suspension to provide the option to make it a little more civilized on rougher roads, especially given the Ohlins spec. Overall a very cool bike, I love the styling. There is nothing more attractive IMO than stuffing such a large powerful motor in such a tiny package. Love it.
The last gen Speed Triple RS had keyless as well. I'm not a fan of keyless or the move to a single low beam headlamp from a dual in the last gen but I like the new RS overall.
Currently have a 2022 Street TripleRs .considering stepping up-ish to the 2018 to 2020 speed triple 1050 RS friend has one. we want to do some road trips he saying it’s much better ride and more comfortable Any thoughts should I go back to an 18 or 2020 or the all new 2022 speed.? Any thoughts?
if triumph changes or improves the looking of front light, this might be the dominating bestseller in naked bikes, at least the street triple 765 in the middle class.
Nice review. I prefer the underseat exhaust of old because it really shows off the single-sided swing arm. If it's possible put on a new pipe to mount a dual muffler under the seat, I might trade up from my 2016.
Beautiful view, looks like the uk. I think the service intervals are irrelevant since not many people will do big miles a year so it will need a yearly service no matter what
Well, you'd be surprised as to how many guys only bring it into for service when it's distance travelled and not time. And Triumph knows this. And sometimes I do this too.
@@NothingToProve Does that not effect the warranty and any legal obligations under a PCP agreement? I'd be interested to know as I will find myself in that position next summer having just bought a new bike. Thanks.
@@NothingToProve Thanks for getting back so quickly. PCP is the way of purchasing a bike here in the UK where one puts a deposit down followed by three years of payments and then a final balance payment. I guess it may be called something different in Germany? Great channel by the way I love your style.
Which bike did you like better and/or find more impressive -- especially for the street. The Triumph Speed Triple 1200 RS or the very latest, Triumph Street Triple 765 RS?
Well, they are both track day weapons but for the street the 765 seemed more playful, more enjoyable, more engaging and just fun. The 1200 was just too serious/hard core for the street. take care, Scott
@@NothingToProve I know what you are saying about the 765 RS as I got to test ride one. It was very fun, very quick, and very pleasant to ride. The engine was also super silky smooth. I'm not so sure that the 1200 RS (though smooth) would be quite as smooth as the 765 -- though, I could be wrong. Thanks for the reply; take care as well.
Great video!👍🏻 Ok so this may seem like a silly question, but I’m coming from the cruiser world so bear with me. Why would I choose this bike as my second steed over something more road-friendly like a Thruxton RS? Cheers!
This is for sport riding the thruxton is basically gonna be a neo retro so more so a modern version of a bike built in 70s. The thruxton won't give you much more than your cruiser will. So if you want a sporty bike this is the way to go if you are going for a certain look but not doing sport riding the thruxton
Big mistake to have made this more of a track bike. Many have criticised the ride for the road as being too harsh. This is a road bike, not a track day bike. I don't know why Triumph have gone down this route. Apparently the other super naked are all better on the road. This is the reason I'll be going for an S1000R.
I am only 63 kg and I don't think it is too harsh (also you can adapt the suspension, I guess the one saying it is too harsh did not do it). No way it is more a track bike on the contrary, for the road it is just perfect, very light feeling, nimble, easy, quite confortable and you can drive as you feel : slow or like mad if you feel like it for a while. If you want a naked with power and torque for the road, it is just perfect.
@@alaincaspar2148 The people saying it is too harsh are some of the most respected road testers in the business and they have adjusted the suspension. My Thruxton R was the same, far too harsh for normal roads. If you are only riding on smooth roads it won't be an issue. It is a criticism that has not been made of the other supernakeds.
@@CorvusHyperion I just had a Thruxton RS and sold it after 2 months because it was way too harsh for me, not the Speed... Although I admit it is quite on the firm side. But for a sport naked it has to be on the firm side anyway but I also admit that other naked with an adaptive suspension are much better (not the price though). I watched and read a lot of the tests and I am not as sure as you are that they have adjusted the suspension. I think you give them more credit than they deserve. They are good pilots for sure and are used to test many bikes but very often they take the bike as it was given to them (and they say so) as they have no time to start to adjust the suspension.
Quicker shifters are more of a personal preference, like choosing a color for a bike. So I left it alone. But since you asked, between shifts it takes longer, and was more abrupt/intrusive, all this adding up to "not as slick" as the previous gen, which I did say in the video. Overall it's just not as smooth of a shift, unless at 10,000 RPM, then it's great but at 6k, not so much. Hope this helps, Scott
@@NothingToProve thanks, I was curious. Out of interest, what is the best quick shifter you have ever experienced? Like you I prefer one that works all of the time nicely and not just when at full throttle and revs.
1. Aprilia 2. Triumph 3. KTM 4. The rest Usually in that order. Aprilia does not make a bad QS on any of their bikes. Triumph usually DOES make great QS but this bike was not up to their normal "great" standard...imho. KTM is almost always good (790/890/1290). And BMW really depends on the bike, S1000RR and R are great the rest, once you get away from the in-line 4cyl...not so great...that is why I criticize my 900XR QS so much. But it's not a deal breaker, if it were, I would not have bought the 900XR.
@@NothingToProve So I understand they want to keep all of their bikes to themselves...very sensible (not). Maybe they should start a museum instead of a dealership. So not 2021! Keep up the good work wit real brands, Scott!
Nice Brother 👍🏻 Still waiting for the 2022 Hayabusa to come in/ MLS Motorsports in Georgetown Kentucky... I bought a 2010 Harley Davidson V-Rod with 7500 miles on it/it is immaculate and showroom New...I had to get something to hold me over until the Hayabusa comes in 🤣🤣🤣
i am confused for my 3rd bike, after Duke 390 & Trident 660 :- 1. Ducati Monster or Supersport 950S (white) 2. Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 (not Streetfighter) Superduke is not sold/available in my country. and i don't want the Speed Triple because i don't want to repeat another Triumph/Triple
Tuono 1100 is my favorite supernaked. If someone walked up to me right now an offered me any supernaked I wanted, it'd be the Tuono, period. The best all around bike for road and track. The Super Duke would be my second choice.
@@mikehannan8206 thanks man, .... I got the much desired & deserved verdict from NTP, but just to confirm or reiterate, does the Streetfighter or S1000R stand any chance versus the Tuono (the “Miata of Motorcycles”), in Handling/Comfort/Ergos, Styling & Design Language, Refinement & Engine-sound/Exhaust-note, Performance/Efficiency, Power-delivery, Low-end Grunt, Feel & Fitment/Finish etc. ?
@@chirag4 Regretably I have not had the pleasure of trying out the Streetfighter or BMW, so have no direct comparison to make sorry. What I can attest to is the Tuono's performance in areas of an orgasmic sound that hands down beats anything else road legal, a handling confidence in sticking to the line like it was on rails, and a powerplant with instant torque from 3&1/2k rpm, and that can lift the front wheel in 4th gear at 140km/hr. What more can one really need? To answer your question on ergos though, this is not a bike that is comfortable to ride long distances at 80km/hr, however at 120km/hr the wind balances the weight off your arms and you could ride it all day long. I get just over 200km's before fuel light comes on, but I have never yet ridden the thing 'economically" so who knows what your fuel efficiency might be.
@@NothingToProve Hunh... I've just spotted a page on their website that both states, wet weight 198kg, and dry weight 198kg. Must be a typo- Cheers Scott!
Yea, .com only gives dry weight 166kg, and .de only gives wet weight 198kg. So why they play these games is beyond me...sigh. And yes, it is really a pain when I'm looking for numbers before I shoot a video, several OEMs are not giving consistent numbers. KTM is really bad at being consistant and so is Aprilia.
All of these new electronics absolutely suck. No one's asking for it. All it will do is break eventually. And I agree with the switch madness on the controls.
Good stuff!!! The Headlight is TERRIBLE. All Speed t's for f sakes these machines are Top spec yet the east Can't see it?? If they reduced or spread out or just minimize those bulb bucket's I would buy New every spring
I'm pretty sure the "throttle jerk" is actually not the throttle, but because the anti-backlash gear was removed. Less transmission friction, but worse on/off judder in the gearing. The problem isn't the controls, it's the UI design, the way one navigates through it is utter trash.
Yea probably, but I've been on other bikes to where that was also take away for the sake of weight savings and they were not this bad. Maybe this is why I don't like this next gen QS in combination with the backlash gear removed...hmm...interesting.
@@NothingToProve I've never ridden a 1050 or Tuono or SF, etc. So I guess ignorance is bliss over here! 🥴 I do feel like the "cut time" on the quick shifter is a little long, I don't remember my 765 being like that but the 765 transmission had other issues (liked to fall back from 3 to 2 a lot, pita).
Triumph : Introducing our ugliest speed triple ever. Focused for the track, even though hardly any of you will take it there. The new 1200 RS. Now comes with two boring paint jobs and no fly screen. You’ll have to pay extra for that. Brand new for this year, we’ve covered up the rear wheel with a huge ugly exhaust. We didn’t wanna show off the single sided swing arm. We still haven’t fixed the confusing switch cubes. Our top clamp is 100% uglier than last years. We’ve sculpted the tank so it now looks 50% worse. We’re still using high viz yellow because someone told us that grown adult men like girly colors. We have priced this at 20k, don’t worry our bikes don’t hold their value...so just wait it out.
