@@rimtasvilnietis2991 I’m a big BMW fan, I have a 2010 E60 550i passed down to me from my dad and have a Model X 100D. I appreciate the best of both cars, the headlights on my E60 are amazing. Really glad Tesla finally improving these things.
A kind thing to do, Kyle. I can't image that most of us who own EV's are even remotely impacted financially by giving someone $10 worth of electricity. But it certainly was a positive impact for the woman driving the Leaf. So, way to go. A little kindness goes a long way, and one never knows when "the shoe might be on the other foot."
I work in retail & it’s not uncommon to encounter people who freaked out about technology & money. First of, hat off for the kindness he showed, no doubt about it. But people complaint they had no money, but qualified with a bank to buy a car & owned a credit card, raised some concerns about how they lived…
I started to watch your video during the start of COVID and I really love the way you always willing to share information about tesla during your road-trips or range test trips. I have a 2020 model 3 and I wish I had waited a year for the bigger battery😩It’s indeed a huge upgrade.
Thank you for helping that LEAF owner. I feel bad for her, because it's not the car, but the unreliability of so many CCS/CHAdeMO stations and providers. Hopefully this will improve over the next few years.
I love these reviews and you Range test are 100% on point. Keep up the great work. It would be great if you had a location to save all your results so that we could quickly look at them without going through all the videos.
20:31 My 21' Model 3 SR+ had the same issue with Autopilot . it happened when I tried to engage too fast. i.e. it didn't detect the lanes fast enough and I pressed the stalk down to many times. i have to pull over, park get out shut door and then opened door got back in and worked fine afterwards. lmao 22:00 AP is working now. 22:40 High BEams are now required for AP siince they switched to Vision Cars(Cars without Radar- May 21' and newer)
I have been following you for a long time and sub'd... but not sure how you only have 75k subs. Great content and so knowledgable. Excited for you to hit 100k
Great content as always. It is amazing how speed affects range and efficiency. I was able to get 171 Wh/mi for 12 miles at an average speed of 60 mph by using the S3XY buttons to disable regen completely and coast in my 2022 Model 3 Performance. This wasn’t downhill either. The start elevation was equal to the finish elevation. However, it did have a significant downhill section that allowed me to increase speed while coasting. Hypermiling can be extremely affective in increasing range. It would be great to see a test like this at a slower speed to see how it compares.
@@TechAndHobby the full response would take a video to explain fully. However, it all boils down to maintaining a constant speed is the most efficient way to drive for a given average speed. If the downhill portion is the right angle and your speed is low enough you can maintain that average speed while coasting on those downhill parts while expending almost zero energy. According to my testing disabling regen completely with the S3XY buttons appears to not only allow the front axle to “coast” freely but it also appears to allow the rear axle to do something similar. The lack of friction when coasting with regen disabled is uncanny. You can’t coast behind ICE cars like this because you will always need to overtake them. My hope is that other people will test this method and see if they can determine what exactly the motors do while truly coasting. In all of my testing there has been a significant difference in efficiency between coasting with regen turned off completely as opposed to trying to balance in coasting while regen is active. Those two things do not appear to be equal. I hope others will help confirm that.
@@justinstewart3248 the newer cars do not allow you to disable regen. The Performance model 3 cars have “Track” mode that does allow you to control regen but that mode is less efficient. Instead I bought some aftermarket OB2 buttons called “S3XY buttons”. Just look those up. They allow you to control the car in ways you can’t by default.
@@LearningFast thank you so much. I thought maybe you had put the car into DFU mode or something and modded the regen characteristics. I have the exact same car as you, so I assume this will work? And you’re noticing a real world increase in range?
So the stated range on a 2022 model 3 performance is supposed to be around 315 miles and you got 280 miles out of the ful charge charge. Is the drop off mainly from going the constant 70mph? What circumstance gets you the full 315 miles. Thanks, great video!
Right there is loss at highway speeds due to wind resistance. I remember hearing that while combustion cars are most efficient around 55 mph, EV’s get the most range around 22-25 mph due to much less wind resistance and the electric motor not having multiple gears.
Also, the 315 stated range is based on a mix of highway driving and city driving. So its gives more range. Also, radio, phone charging, A/C...etc all eats at the battery.
Do you miss North Carolina? Traffic sucks.... This drive looks so good. You can't find highways and pleasant drives like this in NC anymore. Too many people....
I'm planning on doing a long USA tour with my new 22 Model S Plaid. I'd like to see that test. Also did you ever test the Tesla cars in Chill Mode instead of the standard or performance modes? My Plaid seems to get better mileage stretch in Chill but I'm not sure.
I really like the model 3 and want to buy one, but the road trip logistics have me thinking twice. Filling up with gas is so much more convenient than waiting hours for a battery to charge.
Honestly, it’s a paradigm shift. I used to think the same thing. But now, I would never willingly go back to gasoline. I have done long multi-state road trips, long daily commutes of 97 miles, as well as regular daily driver type 15 to 20 miles to stores etc. I have never had to wait even one hour for a charge. Most of my charging is at home overnight, so less than 10 seconds to plug and unplug on days that I charge the car. But on long road trips using the superchargers, I usually get a meal or bathroom break while it charges, which takes at or under 30 minutes. The great bonus no one seems to talk about is that there are a ton of FREE destination chargers at places like restaurants, hotels, even Whole Foods where you can charge while you shop, or eat or overnight at the hotel. These are pretty much the same as my wall connector at home, and I try to use them whenever available.
Great test... Wow those headlights are amazing. A little concerning about the lane departure not working.. and the AP / Cruise quitting. But looks like an amazing improvement in the car. Love the content... Keep up the great work.
I understand that people who don’t have a Tesla yet might worry about range. I had that concern myself before buying a 2020 Model 3 LR 2 years back. Let me just say that it’s not even on my mind anymore. I never ever have to “fill up”, the car leaves my car full every day. I used to get gas once or twice every week. I save all that time now. I drove 1700 miles a while back using the supercharger network. The Tesla NAV told me when (and where) to pull over for a charge. Typically charging was 10-15 minutes (always completed before I got back from the bathroom or buying water) and I forget now but I had to charge maybe 6-7 times overall. It’s just not an issue in the real world. PS once I tried a non-Tesla charger and that took absolutely forever (hours!). I wouldn’t recommend that. And...there are Tesla charges everywhere so it’s not an issue. Also, Tesla has positioned its chargers really well...they were always very close (just as close as if you pulled off an exit and drove to the nearby cluster of gas stations).
1:11 Porsche Cayman owner doing it right. Love to see that. The double pane glass started with the '21 I believe - I have that in my M3P - I do like those new door cards which I didn't get in my early 2021 model (purchased last April).
It's possible that one of your cameras was blocked with bugs or something else, preventing your autopilot from working. This happens with ICE cars with cruise control all the time.
Hello, TY for the content. What was the weather conditions like temperature wise and was it a flat road? I found on my M3P that topography and temperature has a big difference. I also noticed that going 75 mph from 70 mph makes a big difference. One final thing I noticed is that driving with one other person in the car, reduces the range quite a bit.
according to many owners on other platforms, might be similar. Many have stated when they go 75-80mph they are lucky to get mid 250 and above range. especially if you factor in ACTUAL real world range where I believe you arent supposed to full charge or fully deplete the battery and given the battery degradation, the calculation going 75-80mph on a LR M3 is 220-240 at best if you factor those in. I almost feel bamboozled as I was about to buy a M3 LR excited about the 340+ range, then realize that was based on going 50mph in perfect conditions.
Jeez, and I though the EPA estimates were already low. That is really bad range considering the weather was perfect and the car was new. Turns me off from wanting an EV till the range at normal speeds/ conditions is reasonable.
We have a Fall of 2021 DMLR Tesla Model 3 and have the same issues with the cruise control/ autopilot intermittently working. It's a pain, especially on a long trip! The auto high beams are a part of the 'vision only' auto pilot system as well....not fun in traffic as people flash you constantly. I'm not sure 'vision only' is ready for prime time IMHO.
Coincidentally, I had a credit card get declined at an area gas station last night while gassing my RAV4 Prime. (It seemed to be a read error.) I used a different card, but had I been on a road trip and had both cards fail, I'd have resorted to cash, which, of course, is still an option at a gas station. This makes me think a bit for when I inevitably finally go full EV. Cash won't be an option. Hopefully, plug and charge will become more bulletproof and universal.
I think you're going to need to put up a table with the results (adding the battery size and maybe a note on if it was windy or rainy and maybe temp) so we can compare the different EV's. Maybe it's out there somewhere...
yea its baesd on 50mph lol, thats how they get to advertise 340+ range on the M3 LR, people get it and they are lucky to get 220-240 range when they go on road trips going 75-80mph. you also aren't supposed to run the battery down too low so range is even less. We had to pull out after finding those facts
Thanks for taking your time to test the rage😊 Wasn’t the this model/performance supposed to reach 315mil? Does it mean Teslas range claim for this car is not true? I am thinking to join the EV club and trying to dig about range and other things about EVs😊
Right big unspoken disclaimer with the claimed EV range is that they’re not talking highway speeds. He would’ve seen even more dropoff at 80 mph since wind resistance keeps getting much greater. Fun fact though is the hypermilers get nearly double the projected range when they go about 22-25 mph which is where EV’s are most efficient. So if you’re ever low charge and far from charger go 22-25 mph.
Useful range, but 280 miles on 79kw is average for ev. From other tests the Tesla displayed energy used is upto 10% error, how much energy used to recharge battery?
280 miles / rated at 315 miles of range (*70 mph speed) How many more miles of range are possible when going slower …60mph? My guess a few more niles but not by much
this is why we aint quite there yet for EVs to be full on replacements of ICE vehicles especially those who love road tripping or doing long range with least amount of stops. It sucks that tesla LR range estimate of 340 miles is based on going what 50-55MPH? I bet that was also based on perfect conditions for the car/battery. 280 range is ok but we can guesstimate going on the more common 75-80mph and weather/temp/elevation/road variables will be more like 250-260, add in battery degradation, it comes down to the common 220-240 at best with many even less than that range many have confirmed on reddit. EV no doubt is the future but right now its still very niche or more as a luxury with the prices of them and for more local/city driving. We need an EV in the $30-50K range without rebates/credit that gets 300-350 mile range going 75-80mph. Then EVs really will take off
35:30 ... Yeah thats a big issue with electric cars. So many different charges and stupid accounts you need to have to charge if you are not a up to date person. We seriously need universal charging ports that work on cash or credit card.
If we do multiple short trips and look at the “trips” tab to see how much kwh has been used. Divide it by the percentage battery consumed since last charge to get the battery capacity. Is that a right way ? Cause I’m getting 60-65kwh using the above technique for my m3p 2600 miles (3 months old). How is it different than 100-0 trip ?
Great video. @outofspecreviews How long did it take to start accepting the decent charge rate? Also add me to the list of people who are lucky enough to have the CCS1 adapter :)
Wow Kyle, so 69% to 100% was 75 minutes. I do wish she would be a little bit more transparent on how long it takes to do that top off Charging that you perform. I know it does not affect the range test per se but it is useful for folks to know just what you would have to do to get that kind of range if you’re not charging at home.
But you also have to look at how a person will drive a car such as the tesla 3 performance. . Someone would say. What percentage of people who own such a car only drive 70 MPH. Not to mention those who like to accelerate
32:20, better turning radius? Can you test this, it is my biggest negative on the Model 3. Here in Europe you need better turning radius than the old Model 3 gives you.
Hi I had a question I saw your video of driving 2022 model 3in the canyons where you guys said the suspension of model 3 has been redesigned and now it’s on the softer side. I just wanted an advice since I was getting ready to order 2022 model 3 if I go with the sports wheel on long range will the ride be harsher than compared to the stock wheels?
You nailed it; they are like cell phones they are outdated before you get them paid for. You buy a new EV only to find that they now have that same car with a much better/updated battery.
If a gasoline car is almost empty, running on fumes, you can put 400 miles worth of fuel in the car, in less than 5 minutes. EVs are cool, but the charging situation is a *major* *inconvenience* .
@@superset5 You're welcome. The Tesla hype is infectious, but it's best to *keep* *it* *real* . A billion+ people are renting, and will never buy an EV. People that often road trip, will spend hours and hours charging. In comparison, a fuel stop at the gas station takes 3 minutes. Full Self Driving is years late, and will likely never be reliable or safe for your family.
@@SpottedSharks Yes Tesla owners have range anxiety, when they take weekend road trips, 100's of miles away. I can put 400 miles of range into my gasoline car in 3 minutes, at over 160,000 gas stations in USA. Tesla is *nowhere* *close* to that level of convenience and peace-of-mind. 100 million Americans rent, and cannot charge at home. Gasoline cars will continue to be the superior choice, for *DECADES* to come.
I have watched this video a couple times and I cringe every time. I would never run my Tesla like this, but at least we know there is a backup charge when we hit 0.
Yep glad he could help her. I only wonder how much more prevalent this is going to become as the masses start to adopt more and more EVs. I don’t remember who it was, though I think it was Engineering Explained who brought up a “grandma test” or if you would feel comfortable sticking your grandma into a car and trusting her to get from point A to point B. How many EVs would that apply to right now? At this point the majority of EV owners are still “early adopters” and are much more knowledgeable about EVs and charging stations, but as more people start to adopt them the more average joes you’ll get having these problems. Everything from different apps and cards to malfunctioning chargers and levels of EV charging, I just wonder how many EVs would pass the grandma test. And at this point it’s really just the supercharger network that I could feel comfortable putting my parents or grandparents into and trusting they’ll arrive at their destination right now. Companies need to stop requiring different apps to use their chargers. They need to invest more upkeep in existing chargers. They need to make it more readily apparent what speed/level a charger charges at. I’m a huge proponent of EVs but rushing into it without having the existing infrastructure is just a recipe for disaster
@@philorgneopolotin8762 I think Tesla supercharging would pass the grandma test. There's literally nothing to do except to plug it in. A lot of older folks don't even know what apps to launch, what to do if apps don't work, or ask you to log in, or if the cell signal is spotty. This is one of the biggest selling point of Teslas. It just works.
I really wish telsa would go back to making rwd long range versions of their cars. Some of us would gladly take that extra efficiency & big boost in range and give up that .5 seconds or so of 0-60 speed.
@@williamofarrell6641 Drove my 2018 LR RWD Model 3 (rare Silver Metallic) for almost 4-years before selling earlier this year and as long as the tire tread was decent there were no issues with light snow and ice here in NJ. Ran the OEM MXM4's, then some X-ICE- winters for a bit, and ended with some my current favs, the CrossClimate 2's which are a true all-weather tire. Honestly how much snow can you drive in with a car with low ground clearance anyways, plus and mine was an extra inch lower on Eibach Pro-Kit springs. Anyways, traded my 18' in for a local 19' Stealth Performance 3 and man I didn't know I was missing haha Loving the extra dual-motor grip when pushing it hard around turns and the straight line performance was really shocking the first few times from a dead stop compared to my LR RWD... 3.1s vs. 4.8ish is HUGE! You don't really feel it in normal round town driving, but when you get on to pass or and onramp you KNOW that Performance juice is there!
I’m glad you helped that lady, and I imagine that’s the right thing to do if you have to sit there with them and charge… but I run into this CONSTANTLY at gas stations. People beg. I hope that doesn’t come to EVs too.
Ah yeah, the famed gas grifters. Pretty weird encounter, I had it figured we'd just wind up with more who just get by via plugging into random unguarded wall outlets to get free electricity. At least the story is more believable with an old generation leaf, they are cheap and some of them have suffered pretty bad battery degradation so it's not inconceivable that she actually just bought what she could afford and had a run of bad luck.
Good timing on being there to help her out! I had a similar experience on my first Tesla road trip a couple months ago- I was at the Grove City PA SC at around midnight, and saw a white Model Y circling around the stores adjacent. I went in to use the rest room and only needed about 5 min of charge to get to my destination. When I came back out, the Y was parked next to me, and there was an older lady standing by my car and she asked if it was mine- I figured she had backed into my car or something- but it turned out her and her husband had been stranded there for about 4 hours. They were driving from Toronto, Canada to Miami, FL to help out her daughter with the delivery of the new-to-them Model Y- unfortunately it had been under free supercharging so they assumed it always charged for free- they had one free stop after they entered the US, but when they got to Grove City it was back to paid charging. However they couldn't figure out how to activate the SC charging. Thankfully they had dealer paperwork and temporary tags that I was able to help them set up a new Tesla account and get into the automated account switching system and Tesla's systems approved the car for their account and they were then able to charge- but they were in a really tough spot. It was a cold night, they had about 3% left, and all the hotels were now out of their range. I was glad to be able to get them up and running- I'm glad to not have to deal with the card dip/swipe/scan of CCS/Chademo chargers, but in that moment, not being able to add a CC to the Tesla car system itself was a huge issue. I left at around 2:30am by the time I got them charging.
I have 110,000 miles on my 2018 Long Range RWD and my 70mph power usage is around 250-260 WH/mile at 70 degrees outside, around 240-250 miles in total highway range. i estimate i have around 68KwH of usable capacity left (down from 75). still very usable range for my needs
Good on you for helping that LEAF owner, Kyle. It's a sad reminder of challenges faced by many EV owners with a complicated and insufficient charging infrastructure in some regions. Hopefully Tesla will open its network to other brands soon, and adaptors are available for EV owners that really need additional reliable stations to travel safely.
