Can't believe the incompetence in GM is allowing such an awesome automobile such as the Camaro to be killed off without any kind of hesitation or regards to it's faithful followers! This just saddens me to the core! These government mandates are quite simply BS and they could care less about the environment with as much pollution as they continue to disperse is just mind boggling! Save the Camaro campaign to start now! Who's with me?📜✏️
Same with Dodge killing off the Challenger and Charger v8 Hemis. It’s ridiculous to think they’re hard-core fans are gonna buy electric vehicles, not gonna happen!
Fastest car I've ever tested...that's tough for me. Nissan GTR, Lambo Huracan Performante, Tesla Model S P100D, Ferrari 488 pista, BMW M4 CS, Mercedes GT and a few others. Depends on the day, track conditions, fuel type, temp, humidity.
It definitely retards timing and cuts fuel, but it is significantly faster than not using it. When driving an automated manual dct or pdk type, they both do this as well. The reason this is beneficial is that it allows one to keep the rpms high and on forced induction vehicles it keeps boost up. There is no comparison.
There's a 200 HP difference here, so I'm not sure what the point of this video was. The zl1 should have gapped the m2 in every race. I'd still take the m2 though
ZL1 1LE manual for me. I can't get over the looks of the new M2. It seems like an unfinished design, both in person and from pictures/videos. The last gen M2 is such a beautiful car. Now this one is heavier than an M3😅
In terms of daily drivability and looks, I would still take the new m2 ,it doesn't look unfinished in any way. Looks great in person, especially in black, and way better interior than the zl1 without a doubt
@@chrism869 I prefer the last gen BMW interior. New one has too few buttons and I don’t like going into the screen with many clicks just to change something basic. It still has a better interior than American cars. The M2 makes me want to vomit when I see it in person. It is already on sale with lots of them sitting in the dealer lot. It is your money. Buy anything you like.
Getting a v8 to barely beat straight 6 that was co developed by Toyota is a joke. The b58 is considered to be the modern 2jz. Bmw has shot up right next to toyota in reliability ever since they dropped the b58/s58 in over half their models. There's enough people driving v8 pickup trucks that don't even use em for utility and there's enough v8 muscle cars on the road just to get gapped by 4 bangers. V8 are only good at being obnoxiously loud and being the best in polluting our air quality.
The automatic ZL1 is a lot better . I love manual as much as the next person but when it comes to racing, the automatic shifts way faster and smoother .
There is no rocket science involved in this comparison it’s as basic as the beginning of racing more power wins and in this case much more power! The M2 just looks so much better in my opinion
I will never understand why y’all keep doing rolls at 30 mph. No car is in its boost zones at freaking 30mph. Everytime you race a turbo vs a NA you are doing the turbo dirty and injustice. It should be a 40-45 roll
it's zee - L1! American Muscle prevails once again. No better Muscle Car out there for the money. So happy I was able to get my '23 2SS 1LE Manual in the middle of June. What a great ride!
Zl1 would be faster around a track too. Just all around a better car in looks and performance. The BMW has a nicer interior if you're into that sort of thing.
The Zl1 should go against the M3/M4. Of course the AWD in the M3 will give it an advantage, but putting it in RWD and racing it against the Zl1 would be a good race!
Getting a v8 to barely beat straight 6 that was co developed by Toyota is a joke. The b58 is considered to be the modern 2jz. Bmw has shot up right next to toyota in reliability ever since they dropped the b58/s58 in over half their models. There's enough people driving v8 pickup trucks that don't even use em for utility and there's enough v8 muscle cars on the road just to get gapped by 4 bangers. V8 are only good at being obnoxiously loud and being the best in polluting our air quality.
If you go into a BMW dealership and tell them that you'd like a BMW M5 for what you'd pay for a ZL1, please make sure you record it. Tell them it's "a fair comparison".
Sorry but you cannot pretend to be watched some races like that.. +150bhp and huge amount of torque difference between cars at pretty much same weight and same transmission type. The results were as ANYONE could expect.
I have the Cadillac with the same engine as the Camaro, but auto, because I deal w/ City traffic congestion. Had a BMW M2C & far prefer the sheer power & sound of the V8; have zero desire to go back to BMW. Would consiser a used 650i as a project car, but that’s about it.
If I had the means, I would build an inline w6 (I guess it might not be inline anymore maybe?). I'm not an engineer or a physicist but I'm super curious to know if this would get the balanced benefits of a straight 6 (not sure how much is lost due to the w configuration) with the light weight of a W (reduced weight materials of shorter block/heads, etc) and the ability to place the motor further back towards the driver for better weight distribution (%/%). Any math guys/engineers/physicists in the comments section?
This is one of the most uneven matches! I have a 2023 camaro ss N/A 455hp and iv ran the BMW M2 we are dead even or I usually win this is just pointless! 😂
You haven’t raced the new M2, quit your lying, it would smoke a regular SS. The Camaro in the video is a ZL1, with 650hp and the M2 still did a good job of keeping up. Your SS would loose by bud lengths. The last M2 and new M2 are in different levels of performance.
@davothegreat9990 Dude, it's not even "imagining", it's there, stooopid. Since you're stupid, I'll teach you math. 650 subtract 460 = what? Is it 190? Or yes? Or no?
@@davothegreat9990how is it an argument if it’s a fact you clown? You could easily tune these m2s with 600 plus whp and smoke this zl1 there isn’t an imagination lmao it isn’t even a fair comparison it’s like comparing a 789 hp 812 superfast to a 630 hp huracan evo you sound goofy
I´m a german car guy and also own a slightly modded ZL1 with a 6 speed manual transmission! I´ve driven a lot of cars in my life already but nothing catchs me like this car! Of course BMW also knows how to build cars, but the emotion from latest models is not the same like in the past and, if we consider what´s coming, won´t be comparable anymore....
while they may be in the same price range and speed, I don't think too many people are cross shopping these 2 cars. They're def for very different types of people.
I would say that your comment is ultra accurate.....however I am here because I am cross shopping these two cars. Coming from a G80M3. I have always wanted to grab a ZL1.
The guy driving the M2 wasn't shifting on point and it seemed like he wasn't in sport plus traction off and launch control on. Also think about weight to power ratio it should have been way closer 🤔
As an M2 owner myself, the ZL1 will always be a better motorsports car. ZL1s are a true demon meant to be track weopons, while M2s are more of like an ultimate daily that gives you proficiency in all aspects such as handling, comfort, speed, sound, and overall engagement. The ZL1 is a dedicated car only for motorsports and makes an atrocious daily vehicle. I know this because it's the car I wanted over the M2, but I couldn't stand the visibility and cabin for a daily, as well as how bad the mpgs are as well. If you want a stupid fast car get the ZL1. If you want a car that has positives on everything, and something you can daily, get the M2.
I don't even know why your racing these 2 cars. There is no way that would have been that close. 453 probably closer to 400hp in the M2, slightly lighter and your going up against a ZL1 with 650hp.. LOL C'mon man! there is no scenario this would be that close. The ZL1 would have that thing by 10 car lengths easy. A Camaro SS vs the M2 would be a fair fight. I still love the looks of the M2, the side profile is sick. I own a C7 Corvette by the way.. Its supercharged, 7 spd manual. That M2 would have no shot! I just love all sports cars..
My question is which car is going to breakdown first! They both are racing to see which has to go to the service department first. I owned a GT500 a few years back and that POS would break and rattle like no other. It chased me into the hands of Lexus which I now can make it through the 1/4 mile for thousands of times before any issues.
The TR6060 is a known beast and the LT4 is a built monster pushrod engine. The DOD lifters are in it but they are electronically disabled so overall the Z's drivetrain is pretty killer. I can't speak for the M2. Bottom line.. I think just do your maintenance and in general you're ok.
I don’t really understand the point of this race. It’s not really difficult to win if you got 200 hp more. Requires zero skills. If you buy the BMW you get a premium product with nice interior quality. If you buy the Camaro you get, well a cheaper feeling car. That’s why the BMW is more expensive.
@@stangedude5646 There's a joke that I assume started with the 911's amazing acceleration times given their relative horsepower, that German horses must be bigger. That's why a 450 hp German car might be expected to compete with a 650 hp American car. Obviously it can't in this case...
I agree, the M4 Comp would have been a more fair fight. Although, if they would of want to see a ZL1 being smoke they could used the M4 xDrive version 🤷🏽♂️
Not with those power difference with both running manual. Now i did expect a closer drag race for the obvious reason of traction but pleasantly surprised
It will get worse starting at 100 mph because the current M models (and M sport such as M340i and the rest of lineup) reduce battery power gradually for the charging to kick in. These are electric cars with gasoline-powered engine-assist. They are not truly gasoline engine power they want the general public to believe. The engine is de-tuned, to allow the battery to boost power.
The BMW is down 200hp Yesterday stangmode was super pumped that his mustang gt barely beat a stock m240i with 100hp 50tq less. Even with a loss it's still a good race for the BMW
You are 200 horses over in the Camaro. To make it fair just let the M2 have the 8 speed automatic, and it would have smoked your 650hp with just 452 horses
Damn this video really got me excited for my new M2. Can’t believe its anywhere near that ZL1 with the massive HP difference. I expected this to be much worse
