Betting on Aston Martin on this one. Apart from Bahrain and Jeddah, the AMR23 seems to be a more corner effective car, and Hungary being the traditional circuit version of Monaco, Aston Martin might have a chance. McLaren's next best chance of winning or at least podium success would either be Spa or Monza, and depending how they can tune the Merc engine and configure the car, they can be damn good on the straights. That was the case in 2021.
@@eduarddumitru2645Underestimating the Brits and Charlos. They're cars aren't much, but they've shown a lot of results. Piastri is just showing promise atm.
When extrovert meets introvert. Oskar seems like a guy I knew from school. Super chill and very quiet. Not because he was scared or sad. He just didn't like to talk a lot.
he should have extended his stint then like Lando did. It was a team decision (a team of which he is part) to pit him earlier to try to undercut Lando. There was an upside, but there was also the potential downside.
James Vowles seems like a dad that you can rely on for everything. Like if there is a family crisis, everyone looks to him to hold everything down. Very stoic, no matter if it's a good race or a bad race. And if I were an employee for Williams, I would be very confident in the team because James Vowles is heading the team.
@@trevinodudeAlpha Tauri felt like the higher risk option, higher potential reward with it being a farm team for Red Bull. Who knows what communication and offers were like, but it was strange Nyck not wanting to go to Williams after he had closer ties with the Mercedes team and his performance at Monza last year
@@crimsonstripes yep, didn't show much loyalty there. In hindsight he didn't make much of a chance anyway because his former teammate in F-e, who has proven to be a level higher than he is ( there was some serious teamorders necessary for Nyck to win that Championship over Stoffel), was thrown out of F1 while actually doing a pretty Okey job in an absolutely horrible car.
@bertdemeulemeester There is some talk that Williams never officially offered him a seat. Would make it easy to understand why he went with AT considering their history with new/young drivers. Edit: Plus, feigning interest would drive the contract price up a bit for de Vries. Williams are a Merc PU team after all. And sticking it to RB any way possible isn't beyond something Toto would do lol. Just my thoughts anyway, no facts to back it up. I wonder if Toto will nab him back up to try and get any info on the RB PU if possible.
My wife and two daughters who always whine when I watch F1 were amazed at the crowd when Lando took the lead it was that impressive. They watched til the very end and had to admit that it was pretty amazing. As a McLaren fan getting to watch it with my family for once Landos P2 felt twice as good
This is really cool. They must've felt your vibe throughout the race. The excitement and happiness with lando running and finishing in P2 and Oscar P4! What a great race.
I always love hearing the crowd at a racing event, it adds so much to the experience, like with other sports. Usually you can't hear them over the cars though.
Very impressed by Oscar, he didn’t have the upgraded front wing like Lando had and if he didn’t have the bad luck of the safety car timing he might well have undercut Lando in just his 11th F1 race, it’s an easy dotd for me.
Indeed, we all are back in Woking, his driving capabilities are just there with Lando, the difference in performance within both is only on the cents of a second, and it's his first year in F1. I'm confident to say this guy can become a! F1 winner in a few years for sure!
its funny cause zak during the race said oscar had more pace and the team were leaning on swapping drivers at the start but it was oscars decision to hold position and support lando.
Need to remember that more downforce not only means more dirty air, it means shorter braking zones too, which partly explains why it’s more difficult to overtake… also, they were all pretty much one stopping, putting an emphasis on tyre preservation, partly explaining why they didn’t want to follow closely for too long
underrated comment, perhaps the FIA should implement rules directed towards a cars impact ie a rule which says a following car can't loose more that 30% of its downforce at a specific distance, instead of trying to restrict the teams on the specific design philosophies they can use when designing the wings
Yes, but it also matters where the dirty air is going. The regulations were trying make it so the worst dirty air gets pushed up above following cars by a more streamlined jet of air from the venturi tunnels under the floor of the car. But like always, whether intentionally or just as a knock on effect of pushing for more performance, teams have undone that effect and we're back with excessive dirty air that overheats the tires of following cars.
It was a dreadful processional race only saved by the late safety car. The cars are closer than ever in quali, but that didn’t translate on track at all. Nothing like the 2022 “pack of 5” quality.
The issue this year is they changed the ride height of the cars cause Mercedes whined last year. If they don't change that, passing is going to be a lot like last year. And cars generating a ton of downforce from ground effect isn't itself an impediment to close racing, 1990s era CART Indy cars had that and they could race nose to tail lap after lap no problem.
I know Katy has her own pod now, but have her come on for an ep if she's available. I miss the 3 of you. Great episode, glad you guys got a good reaction from the live people.
No way. Max has no friends while on the track. No one does. No F1 driver has that type of thought while racing. If they do then they won’t be in F1 for long
@@Southpawdg1 look when he bodged that start Max was probably like fine Lando you can have a couple of laps while I warm up these tyres and charge the battery a bit. I know I will get you anyway and the locals will be happy. If it was Lewis, George or Checo he would throw his RB19 down the inside from a mile away even before DRS was enabled. Guaranteed. Lando definitely has more wiggle room in Max's mind. They are bloody teammates in his main job as a simracer at RedLine😜
NO. Max was between 0.2 and 0.5sec faster each lap after abt lap 10, after he cooled the tyres from following Lando those first laps. Max had 9sec lead at the SC and was still extending his lead with ease. Look at the onboards. Without SC it would've been between 15 and 20 sec lead at finish
@@kyleharrison713 no one likes max apart from the 12yr old DTS fans so its expected for him to get all the abuse online eg social media and at the track booing
I think I haven't felt more satisfaction of a Max win this season, the fan behavior at Silverstone were atrocious and of course no one is talking about it. If even Lando has to make a statement, passive aggressively defending Max right in their idiot faces it says enough. Not that helped of course.
I LOVED it when he broke their classless, snobby British hearts by defeating their favorites. (And went over immediately to congratulate Lando, who shout out to him for asking the crowd not to boo Max) Why the British are considered the worst sports fans on earth was painfully obvious and on full display. And of course, what international, ‘NEUTRAL’ telecast (F1TV) calls THEMSELVES. THE ‘greatest fans on earth? The British, that’s who. They act like they still have their empire. And thanks to the Brits in the crowd who remained classy and were polite.
There's videos of those "fans" yelling over the Netherlands anthem while they were on the podium, disgraceful behavior, but "best fans in the world" apparently
@@Shuubox I was in that crowd around the corner from the podium, and can confirm that very few of the people were actually booing. Most of the fans (including me) were just being respectful and staying quiet. But even the unpopular minority can appear to be very loud if everyone else stays silent.
Thank you Max for accommodating the British fans in their hope for a win. Wouldn't be good form to lead from the first lap when visiting now would it. Who better to grant that honour to your Bestie. Good Chap !!After that they were both just going " and I think to myself, what a wonderful world" 😂
I wanna make some bold predictions: +Lewis gets his 8th title +Hülkenberg gets his podium +The lost son returns home +"I" beat Max on Zanvoort in iRacing +"I" beat Max on Zanvoort in a Daimler irl!
I'm disappointed that you didn't mention the treatment of Max and Red Bull by the crowd at Silverstone. It was not a good look, and the fact the Sky and F1 keep muting it is only making it worst.
Of course Lando couldn't have won. Max was pulling away 0.5 per lap before the SC. Max was just preserving tires until lap 20 to make sure a SC wouldn't hurt him. It would be a pitstop or more without SC.
I think so as well, even if Lando had the better car Max has driven with his upgrades for half a year now, Norris has gotten his upgrades for the second weekend.
Even when Lando pulled away on that first lap, Max looked calm and collected. It was like he was just warming his tires enough before he makes a move. He was confident enough to wait without being careless knowing that he’ll catch up easily.
Lando to RB is an absolute fantasy. It amazes me it keeps getting brought up. Lando and Max are of a similar age. RB are not interested in having 2 expensive, young, superstar drivers on their team. They spend a fortune to keep max and Landos contract isn't much cheaper. They dont need another world champion driver they need a journeyman driver capable of getting p2 p3 and that's it. They want a bottas type not a Lando type.
One point would be, Checo was the most consistent driver of 2020 on a midfield team, was the 1st driver in years to keep Max behind on equal machine after Daniel. The pressure of a top team is crushing him when he saw a glimpse of taking the fight to Max. Being fast is not enough on the 2nd Red Bull, consistency under pressure will be the measure of that seat.
@@maxdenbreejen9844Even then he still only finished 6 points ahead of Ricciardo in the definitely-not-as-quick Renault - granted that was slightly covid affected but still Checo's picked a good time to have a rough patch in that RB have absolutely no competition for the titles, but if the other teams start closing in he's going to have to pick it up or he's in real danger :/
Part of the reason that "if [insert dominant team] wasn't here" thinking doesn't make sense is because when there is a dominant car for other cars to follow, all the other cars recognise it's the dominant route at the same time and start developing towards it. So development-wise all the other cars are in roughly the same space, whereas without the dominant car other cars would continue developing their own unique philosophies making it much harder for slower teams to catch up because there is no philosophy to chase specifically.
One good race result and talking about McLaren as if they’re gonna be fighting for podiums now., possibly catching Mercedes and Aston. Watch them struggle to get into the top ten in Hungary.
Here's the thing with cars being able to overtake... we start with qualification and put the fastest cars up front. Then we go race and we expect the slower cars to pass the faster ones. (And Hamilton has never been an overtaker. He can drive fast, he just can't drive fast past someone else. This hasn't been the first time he's had better hardware and tires and tried to come up behind someone and then just backed off.)
Short answer? No. The only reason it was even within a few seconds (still over THREE, formerly known as an eternity in F1) was due to the lateness of the safety car. (And remember that after the Safety Car Max was just casually preserving his tyres)…But it was an EXCELLENT jump by McLaren and maybe they can challenge within the next few races! Don’t know though, RBR has upgrades of their own coming I think as soon as the next race, all of them courtesy of one Mr, Newey, driven by one Mr. Verstappen.
Oscar had an amazing race. The fact he didn’t have the whole upgrade package like Lando had makes it even more impressive. Definitely a podium-deserving drive. Lewis drove brilliantly as well. Hopefully we see a Lando, Lewis & Oscar podium one day😢❤
I just love how excited you guys are about being on the mainstage and everything at Silverstone. You deserve it so much, I'm just so hyped for your succes.
Lando couldn't have won but Max would have won were he driving that McLaren on Sunday. Opposition has mainly caught up with RedBull and now it's just Verstappen being an insane driver that is picture perfect week in and week out.
Not unless it was only Checo in the Redbull. There are a lot of other drivers out there who could win in that car. Even Ricciardo would probably be better than Perez
I do think it is definitely Verstappen making the RB19 dominant rather than the other way around but I don’t think Max would’ve won if he was in a Mclaren and Lando in the RB, the RB19 is still the fastest car on the grid and a driver can only make so much of a difference.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 Verstappen won 2-3 races per season between 2017-2020 in the 3rd fastest car. And he is a LOT better now than he was in 2017-2020. Something to consider ;-)
@@kityhawk2000 And then if you bring in Ricciardo you'd be like "There are a lot of driver who could win, Ricciardo is just underperforming". I get some can't stand that Max is this good, but the guy used to win races in the 3rd fastest car between 2017-2020 when Mercedes were ultra dominant themselves. So yes, Verstappen wins races in the W13 last year, and he wins races in the Aston/McLaren/Mercedes this year eventually. Maybe others will too, I defo think Alonso/Norris can do it.
I was there for the Saturday and Sunday and could see you on the stage in the middle. I really hope you get loads more publicity off the back of it and it helps your channel to grow.
It was funny to hear you in the queue and glad to see you got the opportunity to share with all the current no subscribers on the main stage on Sunday too. Great work lads
We were attending the British grand prix, and saw you live at the Chrome Stage. It was amazing, like your podcast! Keep up the good work! Best regards from the Netherlands
Amazing result from McLaren BUT, if we can learn anything from the season so far it's that the 2nd best car will keep changing throughout the year. First it was AM, then it was Ferrari, then sort of a Mercedes resurgence, and now McLaren. I think its something like 6 teams have podiums this year. There is NO guarantee that McLaren will stay where they are right now.
And it's not the RedBull persé that is the fastest car. It's the Max... Yes we have come to that point where we will have to start putting a "the" in front of Max's name😂. As intimidating as "The Michael" at the moment
Regarding Ham overtaking: I think he was super through the race and definitely his usual aggressive and on point self. Toward the end of the race, he could have been more aggressive, but MAYBE Lol he thought putting Lando in the wall at Copse might have a slightly different response than '21 😂, so he backed out.
Funny was how Hamilton did the exact same thing in Copse with Lando as he did with Max, but somehow this year he decided to not crash and with Max he did choose to crash.
@@Syphr54not sure what you’re on about you’d have to be blind to think that this year situation between Ham and Nor is even remotely similar to the one between Ver and Ham in 2021. In ‘21 Hamilton was fully alongside Verstappen even a lil in front at one point this time Hamilton got out dragged in the straight by Norris and he had to pull behind him. Because there’s no such thing as out braking someone in copse corner as its a flat out corner basically. So no way he could even think about it.
Totally agree with you on James Vowles. He has that team looking decent this year and I expect them to continue to improve under his leadership. Also, am I the only one who thinks that Oscar Piastri has had an outstanding season even without the P4 at Silverstone? Sure, maybe a few mistakes here and there and certainly some issues with the car like always, but he's been very close to Lando all season long. It's been super impressive to see and I'm excited to watch him progress further.
RICCARDO IS BACK BABY LETS GOOOOOO!!! Sorry for nyck I really wanted him to do good but it didn’t look like much was going to change If you ask me!!!!!
Was great for McLaren to be back in the fight but also giving a reminder that Norris is a great driver and also showing that Piastri will be too, would’ve been a double podium without the safety car
AS a Max and RBR fan I am gonna regret saying this but I can't stand seeing Matt in pain each race. Stop your jinx attempts, the only one you are jinxing is yourself.
@@syndicategaming1668 You mean to say that all my spells and incantations have been for nothing? omg... and here I thought it was the most serious thing ever........
This is my theory on Carlos not knowing what plan B was. I think he thought plan B was a stupid idea, so that was his way of kindly saying hell no. Carlos has argued with the team over strategy in the past, so I wouldn't put it past him.
I’m glad to see Norris and McLaren had the wisdom here to not throw away a P2 result by going all in on P1. In Sochi 2021 they could’ve put sooner and guaranteed 2nd by risking letting Hamilton win, instead they gambled to try and keep 1st and ended up 6th (or 7th, I forget). Just bagging 2nd is what they need when they’re not yet at the top
Yes and we are back for another p2 with matt and tommy fun race weekend. Good job boys. I bet you were busier this time compared to monoco. I like day to day coverage in monoco.
Practice has me hoping that Williams could be higher but it was a great result for them, a shame Sargent got so close but no point, he did do really well too. I think Williams will give him the time to grow and the understanding that Albon is meant to be this far ahead of him. From listening to Behind the Grid I’ve got good faith in James Vowles too, though I do think he’s just there to ready him for the eventual Mercedes job in the same way Russell was a Williams driver
I don’t understand why lando blocked oscar at the start. Yes he would have lost position, said so himself in cool down room. But surely having two cars infront of max would have outweighed that negative
It takes the Red Bull a bit to get their front tire temperatures up, so the lead Lando Norris created in the first few laps was just due to tire warmup. Once the Red Bull's tires got up to temperature, the car was quicker. It was great to see someone else lead the race, and I wish it lasted a lot longer that's for sure.
Mcclaren performs well once and everyone suddenly thinks Lando can win titles with them while we literally have AM to show us what a couple good results can mean
The interesting thing with Silverstone and the tires was that the lap time delta's between the tires wasn't that great. So, I think that played a role in the end of the race battle between Lando and Lewis.
Gasly went after sainz because he and stroll are cool. This maybe hard to believe for some, but the only ones he doesn’t get along at all are Russell, magnussen and maybe Norris. Dude is super chill and barely has shunts anymore.
Oscar needed one or two more laps. I would've loved to see the rookie go head to head with a legend. I cant say he would pull off getting around Lewis. But it sure would've been cool to see.
I've come up with the solution for the sprint races, feel free to claim the idea as your own. Line up in reverse championship grid order for the Sprint race. This would tick all the boxes. It removes the silly 'double qualifying' we currently have on sprint weekends. It gives the fans some guaranteed racing on Saturdays, it doesn't spoil the actual race, and it gives the smaller teams a real shot at points. You'd only do it at certain circuits where overtaking is possible. Tell me that wouldn't be better than what we have now.
I think we might be looking at the wrong RedBull seat for Lando. If Verstappen does dip out of Formula 1 like he's made hints at, Lando would be probably the most likely driver for RedBull to recruit in place of Verstappen, given Leclerc and Russell are unlikely to leave their current teams.
He's not going to leave all the time the championships can come this easy. He's pretty much guaranteed to win the next 3 championships any other series and that's a far more uncertain prospect.
It was a good drive from Norris. No doubt but I don’t buy the hype that it was some unbelievable, sensational mega-drive. He had the 2nd fastest car and got what he should’ve got out of it. Did the job, but nothing phenomenal.
At the safety car restart it was similar to Abu Dhabi 2021, Lando on hard tires and Lewis on sofs. Only he knows what it was like in those two while he was worming up tires.
@@hipotenuza5663 I always wonder what would have happened if Lewis had kept the inside into the corner where Max overtook him. After that you have 2 long straights with a breaking zone but Merc had terrific straight line speed. And after that there is pretty much no overtaking possible anymore.
@@daarom3472 We'll never know. Ppl don't like my opinion when I say Hamilton lost the championship in Baku. He could have been way ahead of Max before the final race. But he snapped under pressure. And Max already DNF. Maybe it was meant to be the end of Hamilton's dominance.
I don't think the Brits are self aware enough to grasp it, but there was way more appreciation for the Mercedes dominance and it leading to Hamilton racking up poles and wins, where there seems to be little appreciation for Red Bull and Max doing the same. This isn't new, Vettel was hated by the same lot during his dominant reign, and then was loved once he wasn't actually winning anymore. Acting like NOW the sport is in a terrible spot and is a bore because its Max and not a Brit sitting at the top of the hierarchy is really what people are finding gross. Mercedes was getting 1-2s constantly, 7 straight years of 1-2 in the constructors, and nothing but praise for Lewis. Max is dominating while his teammate isn't and its a problem with Red Bull dominance. The only common thread is the British bias. Its amazing and something to be constantly praised if its a Brit, call him the greatest ever and ignore the dominance of the car, but dare any other nationality be dominant and its ruining the sport and sure he is great but not GREAT and its just the Red Bull being a rocketship, etc etc. Its cringey but don't expect a single Brit to be able to overcome their own bias and lack of awareness. Its a country of narcissists after all.
I’m British and I agree with everything you said. Imagine what it’s like living in the UK and suffering Sky Sports F1 coverage when you’re not completely delusional like half the commentators, presenters and fans are here? It’s actually unbearable.
Lewis Hamilton needs to stay away from commenting on other team's cars. He should just accept that "other kids" can also be multiple champions. No need to refer to the McLaren as a rocket...as if implying Oscar and Lando are not as good as he is.
@@brownbabyuk10 What was Lewis saying about his own car in the race before (Austria)? Where Toto Wolf had to come on the radio and tell he to just drive?
I think top10 getting points is perfect. Look at how happy some of the lower ranked teams are to score points, that is a victory for them, being 11th and battling for 10th. If you give points up till 15 thats mostly points for everyone who finishes.
On the topic of Lando not defending against Max, whilst I agree that Max's past antics may play on the mind of some drivers, Lando also didn't have the benefit of completely knowing how his car would hold up during a long stint with the new upgrades. Sure he had the race pace at the start, but it was not knowing how the car would behave during the race. If he had more confidence in the car, maybe he would've fought Max a bit more? Would be interested to hear what others think!
I'm sure it was part of it. It's also a thing at McLaren and with Lando - they know when to fight and always do, what's best for the best possible result. And it's the right thing to do. The RedBull is a faster car and I'm sure Max could have pushed harder when necessary. P1 wasn't on the cards, securing second was their game. And as we saw with Lewis, Lando is perfectly capable of fighting against the best. They did it a lot of times in the past. It's not always the best for the show, but they maximise their result. It was part of the reason they got P3 in the constructors in 2020. It's intelligent and I don't get why they get criticized for it. If he would have fought Max I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gotten P2 at the end.
I think Lando was playing the long game. Sit behind Max in DRS to clear the Mercs and Ferrari while dragging Piastri along. Best strategy for the double podium thet deserved to get.
Ref: Lap 5 comment Let's be fair that as fans we want Lando to put up a fight, because we have no expectations of them. In fairness Lando and McClaren needed to set themselves up for points and later on think about fighting for 1st. Steps to the top as opposed to going for gold and ending in 6th when he knows the tires were the car's Achilles heel
It's obvious that the top teams other than RedBull are incredibly closely matched on average and that the track specific characteristics make a huge difference to your overall position in the pecking order. The only new change is McLaren's update has put them into mix. RedBull are in another league and the Williams is a jack of all trades.
Would love to see tommy do an alternate universe standings at the end of the season to see who would have won if max didnt exist and how close it would be
Realistically once most the teams even out we’ll have some of the best talents becoming champions and those titles would be crazy to see on a stat sheet.
It's like Max said: it's kinda confusing who's behind me cause it's someone else every race. Therefor I don't think McLaren will be good @ Hungary. That track should suit the AM and Ferrari better. So I won't be surprised if McLaren would drop back in Hungary again. The only one who is quick at every track s Max in that RB. The rest is flipping coins every race.
