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2023 Mazda CX-5 vs Subaru Forester Comparison & 0-60 / Hard Call 

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While each of these has their own distinct pros and cons, the Forester and CX-5 are both reliable, straightforward, well-handling, affordable small suvs. Today I want to find out which one is the better equipped to take on the full segment with players like the Toyota Rav4, Honda CR-V, Hyundai Tucson, Mitsubishi Outlander and more.
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@matty_o
@matty_o Год назад
CX5 has USB in rear arm rest
@joepowell7025
@joepowell7025 Год назад
Exactly ... Not very well checked was it ?
@Kvickification
@Kvickification Год назад
2 Ports even! 😅
@AlaskaErik
@AlaskaErik Год назад
I don't know what my Forester has back there because I never sit there.
@russellmcmahon2739
@russellmcmahon2739 Год назад
I have 2021 Forrester and the front drivers seat side panel has broken 5 times, they refuse to fix this under warranty so I would steel clear of Subaru as their warranty is bad, this is my fourth Subaru but due to their lack of assistance this will be my last. The Mazda seems to have a better build
@KevinJDildonik
@KevinJDildonik 8 месяцев назад
Only Forester Premium and up have USB. I've had 2 Foresters due to a big move. Literally zero issues with either. The 2021 seemed to have some questionable damping so it was a roller coaster over big bumps. But the 2022 was perfect.
@brettwheeler7753
@brettwheeler7753 Год назад
Can't content on the Suburu, but I had a 2016 CX5 that we bought at a year old with about 19,000 miles. Drove it until about 165,000 and it was excellent! Only time in the shop was for oil changes, brake pads, and changing the cabin filters. Gas mileage was excellent. Highly recommended.
@kurtstephan7039
@kurtstephan7039 Год назад
Thanks for doing this comparison--the CX-5 almost always gets pitted against the CRV and RAV4, but as you point out, the Forester is a direct competitor also, although the CX-50 is aimed more at the Subie crowd than the CX-5. I bought a new CX-5 (non-turbo) last fall and still thoroughly enjoy every drive. It replaced a hot hatch (Fiesta ST) because I needed a bigger, better all-arounder. What's surprised me is how close the CX-5 is in terms of everyday driving fun, even though obviously it doesn't approach the ST by any performance metric. But I actually prefer the steering feel of the CX-5, and steering is one of the ST's strong points! In contrast, I've driven a lot of late-model Subaru crossovers (and the household had a Crosstrek for many years) and find them mundane--although hardly bad--to drive. I was never remotely tempted to push them on twisty roads, whereas the CX-5 is a lot of fun in the curves, just begging to be flung around with enthusiasm. Plus I worked at a Subie dealership for awhile and was surprised how many relatively low-mileage cars were coming back with engine or CVT issues. But I know a number of people with 2017 or later Mazda crossovers (mostly CX-5s), and none of them have had any problems. I totally get the appeal of the Forester though, and for a lot of people, it's the right choice. Your video is an excellent buyer's guide for people who aren't considering a Honda or Toyota (there are actually some of us out there!).
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it, that’s a good point, the CX-50 really feels more like a Forester competitor than it does an Outback foe (the way the lineup and pricing would suggest), maybe I’ll have them throw down in a future video with a CR-V or something to spruce it up!
@frederickbalfe88
@frederickbalfe88 Год назад
OK I
@junfwang2979
@junfwang2979 8 месяцев назад
”Plus I worked at a Subie dealership for awhile and was surprised how many relatively low-mileage cars were coming back with engine or CVT issues. But I know a number of people with 2017 or later Mazda crossovers (mostly CX-5s), and none of them have had any problems.“ Is it possible that it's because you're in the dealership, so all the foresters that come in and you can see are the broken ones 🤣
@anthonyfrombelow
@anthonyfrombelow 7 месяцев назад
​@@junfwang2979Pipe down.... Wang.
@jefftait622
@jefftait622 Год назад
I considered both, went with the Forester. Love the visibility and room. Its like driving around in a greenhouse.
@CrankyGrandma
@CrankyGrandma Год назад
This is one of the main reasons Forester is number one on my next car list
@shauntakata1762
@shauntakata1762 Год назад
@@CrankyGrandma don't forget the HighBeam assist which automatically adjusts the high beam, steering adaptive head lights and eye sight which prevents forward collisions.
@Kvickification
@Kvickification Год назад
@@shauntakata1762 Mazda has the same tech for the CX-5 tho
@davidanderson8469
@davidanderson8469 11 месяцев назад
I hope the 2024 Foresters have better seats. My wife and I would buy one. The International Auto Show is coming so we'll sit in the new ones.
@sexyscentangel
@sexyscentangel 6 месяцев назад
Much better. I've had 2 back surgeries and still have an inoperable, herniated lumbar disc.....the Forester was so much more comfortable! Also, I feel like I'm sitting in a cabin instead of a cockpit.@@davidanderson8469
@tmntchad
@tmntchad Год назад
I worked at a Dealership service department that serviced both brands for 4 years. Forester is solid, but CX-5 has it beat hands down, no contest, when it comes to long term reliability.
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
Whats that mazda did much better than the forester in terms of reliability?
@mediocrepronator6269
@mediocrepronator6269 8 месяцев назад
@@boboiboy9350Mazda still uses automatic transmissions while Subaru uses a cvt. While cvt reliability has come a long way and is night and day from when they were first introduced, currently automatic transmissions are more reliable and durable. Although one day cvts will be at the same level.
@jorgecontrerasperez2700
@jorgecontrerasperez2700 8 месяцев назад
Jaaaaaaa😂
@spawn11
@spawn11 8 месяцев назад
Hahaha yeah right if u say so. But didn't explain how and why??
@tmntchad
@tmntchad 8 месяцев назад
@spawn11 First thing that comes to mind is the Subaru engines had much more large repairs needed than the Mazdas. Also when there was a leak, say, front timing cover. CX5 was a 3 hour job. Subaru boxer leaked far more often, and required pulling the motor. Way more oil consumption issues with the Subaru's. The windshields, with the Eyesight camera systems the Subarus use, those windshields are far more susceptible to damage. Easily replaced 10 Subaru windshields to 1 Mazda. Those huge infotainment systems Subaru uses is laggy and buggy. Maintenance, just shop the price of a spark plug change on a Subaru, then a Mazda.
@lisamunoz9727
@lisamunoz9727 Год назад
Forester! I have a nine year old unit and am buying a new Forester… keeping my older unit as well. I feel safe driving a Forester!!
@tntmyth
@tntmyth Год назад
This was a great comparison. The CX-5 and Forester are in the top 5 on my shopping list this year for a new compact SUV. Probably in the top 3. The differences come down to just what you said. Fun and extra quality vs practicality. On paper, I think I lean towards getting the CX-5 for a number of reasons. 6-speed auto, no stop/start, more luxurious interior, handles in the hatch area to fold down the rear seats on all trims, ventilated driver seat, chi wireless charger, turbo option, fun to drive. These are all features the CX-5 has over the Forester. And, as you said, the CX-5 more represents my values. The Forester wins with more interior and cargo room, better mileage, bigger sunroof, and CD player built into the stereo. Yes, I still love CDs for the sound quality but I can always move all my music to my phone or a memory stick. If I lived in an area with crappy roads, I would lean towards the Forester, but I live in South Florida where the roads are mostly smooth. Ventilated seats would be a big plus in this heat. Standard AWD in both cars is a plus with all the rain we get here. Anyways the other cars in my top 5 list are the Rav4 Hybrid, Honda CR-V, and Subaru Outback. I like RDX as well, but probably won't spend that much.
@insekta1701
@insekta1701 Год назад
Hi, I bought a 2021 CX-5 Preferred Plus in September 2022, and I have no regrets. I test drove a brand new turbo version, but ended up going with a 2021 that had 4,382 miles on it from a Mini dealership near me. The CX-5 reminds me a lot being in a Mercedes C-250, or something along those lines. I also drove the Subaru Forester Wilderness, and while I enjoyed it, I found the CX-5 to be much more comfortable and exactly what I was looking on comfort and quality. Another reason I went with the CX-5 to s the noise dampening aspects that Mazda has put into the underside of the car and the type of glass in the windows. I drove 18- wheelers for a few years and all one hears driving such a huge vehicle is constant wind and road noise and I think it has left me in a sort of traumatized state in that I just can’t handle it and I get very agitated. If you’re looking for quieter comfort, the CX-5 is the way to go as it is way more comfortable than the Subaru and much, much more elegant. The AC in the CX-5 is great in the hotter months as it BLASTS cold air out the vents! I live in central Florida so I understand on the heat here. I’m not sure you’re willing to travel, but Orlando Mini often has CX-5’s in their used section, and that’s where I bought my car, and it was in absolutely pristine condition. My salesmen’s name was Andrew, and he will bend over backwards to be as helpful as possible should decide to go see any cars at Orlando Mini.
@firefly9838
@firefly9838 Год назад
You can turn the stop/start off in the Forester I'm pretty sure.
@brettwheeler7753
@brettwheeler7753 Год назад
I had a CX5 for 6 years and it was excellent! I'm also on my seven Honda, and the Mazda was just as reliable.
@joshporter5459
@joshporter5459 Год назад
​@firefly9838 yes,with the push of a button. 😁
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes Год назад
I traded in a 2016 Forester XT for a 2019 CX-5 Turbo. The practically of the Forester was a step above almost all, the boxiness made it roomy and had great visibility. But even with the turbo power in the previous gen Forester, the CVT made it feel awful. I had to put a couple mods into it to make it drive more sharply. The CX-5 was amazing in comparison. Drove brilliantly, quality felt near-luxury. Options like a heads up display and ventilated seats made the Subaru feel like an antique in comparison. And say what you will about a six speed auto being "old", but the turbo had such a smooth torque curve you never felt like you were hunting for a better gear. If you need the utility, if you *actually* go off road, get the Forester. But if you spend the majority of your time on pavement and you're not hauling mountain bikes or something, treat yourself and get the Mazda.
@brandonford3401
@brandonford3401 Год назад
I'm curious what you thought of the back seat leg room and cargo difference between the two? Obviously different years but should be comparable still. I'm thinking of getting a 2019 CX5 Turbo as well for the driving quality, but am worried it is too much of a step down from what Forester offers in these areas.
@WinstonMakes
@WinstonMakes Год назад
@@brandonford3401 Rear legroom is adequate, but like an inch less than larger SUVs like Forester, CR-V. Still comfortable. And still able to fit 8 foot lumber for home improvement projects if you drop the rear seats and angle it into the passenger seat area. However if you have an infant in a rear-facing seat it will be cramped. Front passenger needs to move up significantly. For luggage stowing purposes, the CX-5 trunk is totally fine for a family IMO, but the slightly sloping roofline is at a disadvantage for big boxes. Two times, when I bought stuff for the house (toilet and fire pit), the box was scraping the headliner as I was trying to cram it into the car. Boxiness of the Forester would have been an advantage there. I think it largely comes down to your needs and what else you might have in your driveway. If the CX-5 is going to be the biggest car in your household, AND you have/will have infants or large things to carry, go Forester. If you need an everyday driver and dont have any out of the ordinary cargo requirements, I still *love* taking the CX-5 on my commute vs the wife's car.
@nildadel9795
@nildadel9795 Год назад
@@brandonford3401I’m trading my cx5 for forester . I love my Mazda but I have a child and leg room in the back is cramped . If you are single cx5 is great ! If you Harv family will be tight . Forester has better visibility than Mazda . I loved Mazda looks but forester is better .
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
@@nildadel9795many people wont be pleased to hear that you prefer forester over their glorified mazda. Lol
@mavisjones4750
@mavisjones4750 Год назад
I purchased a CX-5 Carbon Edition. Have had for 2 months and so far, no complaints. In Subaru, I looked at the Crosstrek. In test driving, I liked the Crosstrek but liked the CX-5 just a bit more, plus leery of the CVT transmission.
@eskieman3948
@eskieman3948 Год назад
Nothing to be leery of on the Subaru CVT transmissions, one of the best you can get. You're listening to too many BS car reviewers and RU-vid trolls. Tell me - if CVT transmissions are something to be 'leery" of, why are so many car manufacturers (INCLUDING Toyota) introducing them into their vehicle line ups, hmmm?
@joyholly4258
@joyholly4258 Год назад
For me you made the right choice because the Crosstrek did poorly in the updated side impact and overlap tests. The CX-5 aced those tests.
@firefly9838
@firefly9838 Год назад
@@eskieman3948because they are cheap. They want to keep cost down.
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
@@joyholly4258mazda fanboys cant sleep without checking every other comments here. It seems lol
@joyholly4258
@joyholly4258 8 месяцев назад
Not sure who you mean, but I'm a Subaru Forester driver! Just for safety, the Mazda Cx-5 rates better than Crosstrek on the side impact tests. I test drove the Mazda CX-5 but still wound up with another Subaru! The CVT has been fine, too--no issues. The only thing I don't like is the gas mileage but I dunno what I expected from a heavy Lego brick that I mostly drive in the city. @@boboiboy9350
@Ammut88
@Ammut88 7 месяцев назад
I own an older forester, and hate to say it, but it’s given me nothing but problems. Every time I turn around there’s a 1200 repair bill. I’ve had multiple Mazdas in the past. I’ve finally had it with the forester and will be heading back to Mazda.
@johnnumbat9782
@johnnumbat9782 Год назад
Thanks for a good review young fellah - here in Tasmania there are more Subarus per citizen than elsewhere in Australia and the ACT (Canberra) has the highest number of Foresters per citizen in Australia - I’ve owned 10 Subarus from the Leone station wagon through to a WRX and XT Turbo Forester - I stopped buying Subarus when the car maker introduced the awful CVT - I now drive a Toyota Hilux but still have my trusty 2007 Forester Auto non-turbo as a daily commuter. We don’t use salt for snow management so it’s very rare to see rust on a Subaru which are all imported from Japan - the Mazda has pretend AWD (it’s not always there when you need it) and too harsh a ride for my comfort.
@jbowgo9599
@jbowgo9599 Год назад
We went with the Forester because of the better seats, superior awd and excellent outward visibility. Like someone said, sitting in the Mazda was like sitting in a cave. That also goes for there other models. The Forester does have some CVT drone but the Mazda’s auto is not exactly a dual clutch. I felt the Mazda had the edge in handling but not enough to overcome the other deficits. And the Subaru jumps off the line very nicely without much effort. It’s not as slow as many reviews would lead you to believe. It’s no GTI though and neither is the Mazda.
@alb0zfinest
@alb0zfinest Год назад
I agree with you, but imo the Mazda looks 10 times better (exterior and interior) and that's why I went with a cx5 instead of a Forester when I bought my car like 2 months ago. The seat really has to be one of the worst in any car I've been in.
@firefly9838
@firefly9838 Год назад
@@alb0zfinest I agree the Mazda looks a little better but I needed something more capable for off road so I went with the forester. I've been happy so far.
@erasak
@erasak Год назад
I prefer features of the cx-5 like seats and Bose and handling but the Forester is better off road, nice facial recognition feature that Mazda doesn’t have and more cargo space and visibility much better unlike Mazda’s huge ass A pillars. I went with Mazda though, the Bose, seats and luxury near Lexus level feeling is what I preferred.
@nildadel9795
@nildadel9795 Год назад
I had Mazda and I’m small but I felt it’s small the interior . Back seat leg space are small too
@jawsgreatwhite9966
@jawsgreatwhite9966 Год назад
@@erasakthe Mazdas huge ass pillars help with it having a better crash rating and they aren’t a problem for me. I also love how quiet it is inside the vehicle compared to the Subaru and the Bose system sounds amazing.
@feabicyoplung
@feabicyoplung Год назад
I drove both these trying to decide what to buy. The Mazda is a hoot to drive but the driver’s area is so claustrophobic and the visibility was not great. I had a Mazda 626 long ago. Great car, no problems. I bought a Forester though. Lots of room in the driver’s area and great visibility. Not as much fun to drive though it is very stable on the road, needs a touch more oomph.
@tsf5-productions
@tsf5-productions Год назад
I also had a Mazda 626. It was an 1988 LX four door sedan in dark gray with maroon fabric interior. It was good...sold it in the Spring of '99 with the mileage being at 168,000. (Don't remember what I got for it. It was a private sale) For 20 years this month (September 2023), I've had a 2004 Subaru Forester X (basic series). Twice had to replace the head gasket leaking oil problem (and, it's doing that again)As of now, the car has 142K on the odometer. Had put in lots of money for "Loretta" (as I've named her since the beginning...after a girl I "loved" when I was in 8th grade in 1966) over the years, especially this year. It's not worth doing anymore though the car has a look and feel of very well maintained like I always do with literally all the cars I've owned since my first car: 1966 Pontiac LeMans coupe with a 326 V 8 (bought in September of 1970 for... $ 650!) I have over the past three or so years reviewed seriously several cars...and in this year, 2023, have come down to three: Subaru Forester; Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid; and the Mazda CX-5. The Forester still seems best overall for my style of driving and comfort. It has come somewhat of a long way since my 2004 Forester. I just wished for three things on the Mazda CX-5: More leg room... larger trunk area...and more visibility. Besides that, the engine, transmission and handling, plus, less cabin noise is very good. The Santa Fe... really not bad but... just how dependable is their motor/transmission and a few other parts. The road noise though is more noticeable in that car...and, Hyundai/KIA seems to me be "a poor man's car choice " Many get abused by "poor people". So, there you are.
@Hexsyn
@Hexsyn Год назад
The forester premium is definitely subarus best value for money model and spec right now imo
@ontarioman6301
@ontarioman6301 Год назад
i Went with cx-5 turbo. 4 yrs later , no issues. love the driving performance
@richardlau2447
@richardlau2447 Год назад
Awesome
@eloyzamora4461
@eloyzamora4461 8 месяцев назад
How many miles so far?
@jonathanjacques7250
@jonathanjacques7250 Год назад
Cx 5 hands down.
@tyefighter2005
@tyefighter2005 Год назад
We tested both (and many others) before we bought the CX5, we thought the Subaru was not even close in ride quality, seat comfort, fit and finish. The Subaru was very low on the list of all the SUV's we tested and researched. The final three were the Honda CRX and Toyota Rav4 and the Mazda, of course the Mazda won over the Honda and last was the Toyota.
@jorgeneves1334
@jorgeneves1334 Год назад
Which is better depends on where you live. On icy / slippery / snow covered roads, Mazda's "grip and slip" Haldex part-time AWD is no match for Subaru's full time AWD. And if you plan to do some off road driving, again the Forester is by far the better choice - any channel where they do off-roads, like "Driving Sports TV" does explain why the Subaru is better
@johnadair6108
@johnadair6108 Год назад
Thanks for the comparison. One deciding factor for me was repair and maintenance costs. The CX5 keeps it simple and economical.
@robertm.9515
@robertm.9515 Год назад
Not sure what your availability was. Forester looks appeasing for me but it would be much harder to get in
@eskieman3948
@eskieman3948 Год назад
@@robertm.9515 Your comments make very little sense. The Forester is superior in access to the CX-5 - no argument. As far as "subaru wants to upsell with the liners and premium stuff"... show me any car dealer that DOESN'T want to do that? The 'base punishes you in a way that cx 5 select doesn't"..... ? Sounds like you just didn't want to buy a Subaru. So don't, and step aout of the way, because the person in back of you does....
@nildadel9795
@nildadel9795 Год назад
Mazda repair is not cheap .
@davidwayne9982
@davidwayne9982 Год назад
THIS IS A COMPARISON I can't wait to see... I'm looking at BOTH of them now.. for different reasons.. Would love for this to have been MAX CX-50!!!
@10tenman10
@10tenman10 Год назад
I would love to see a comparison between the CX50 and the Outback (both in turbo or higher trims).
@pamm99
@pamm99 Год назад
On my third Forester, now driving a Sport model, and have loved them all. I like the more kind of rugged look of the Forester over the more sedan like look of the CX 5. Drove my 2015 Forester from Kingston, NY to Houston, TX and it was like buttah! Lol!
@wtpauley
@wtpauley Год назад
I own a 2020 CX-5 signature trim turbo. I would say, if you want a sporty car feel in your SUV, go with the CX-5. If you are going off-road (dirt, or extreme bumpy roads) every weekend, go with the Forester. Snow handling in the CX-5 with cross climates is the best and is probably just as good in the Forester.
@joepowell7025
@joepowell7025 Год назад
I'll take the Mazda every day .. In fact i did i bought one !
@willwilliam217
@willwilliam217 9 месяцев назад
I would need to drive both. Wife totaled her Camaro and we needed a car quickly. The subaru line I had been researching for a while to replace my lincoln mkx as milage went above 100,000. Up to 127,000 now. Was comparing the Crosstrek sport against the CX-50. After research because I read the cx-50 needed premium gas that eliminated that option, the Buick encore rear seat leg room was unacceptable since we would have two car seats back there. The crosstrek sport was 10-12 weeks out and they had a premium on the way so we purchased that, still took 7 or 8 weeks to get. Used cars were out of the question due to the elevated prices and what our insurance payout was. We love the crosstrek.
@jankowalski-et6xc
@jankowalski-et6xc Год назад
When I took Forester on a highway and did an emergency handling test - I was scared the car would flip over. Never felt that with CX5.
@consciousawakening4799
@consciousawakening4799 Год назад
So are you saying it doesn’t handle well at higher speeds?
@seventystix6964
@seventystix6964 Год назад
Any offroad capable car will do that, that's just means cx5 will not do well offroad
@firefly9838
@firefly9838 Год назад
@@seventystix6964 to be fair the CX5 is hands down a better drivers car on the road. The Subaru is better off road.
@ddvette
@ddvette Год назад
Drove the cx-5, very nice. Did not like the view thru the rear view mirror. Vehicle is narrow and rear seat headrests block most of the view. The newer design cx-50 is much better.
@nildadel9795
@nildadel9795 Год назад
I have one and I hate visibility! I’m trying to trade for forester .
@sexyscentangel
@sexyscentangel 6 месяцев назад
I loved the CX-5, but the visibility being so poor was a huge deal breaker for me! Bought a 2024 Forester Sport, and I feel like I'm on Safari. @@nildadel9795
@davidwayne9982
@davidwayne9982 9 месяцев назад
I don't CARE about all the extra BS-- the tech junk and all that crap-- wipers, mirrors, all that type of BS--- Iwant to know a comparison of RELIABILITY in general- how the engines hold up- and how the car overall will LAST in actual REAL LIFE USE-- I don't give a damn about what kind of freakin wipers it has or how big that stupid screen is-- and all that crap that has NOTHING to do wtih how the car will LAST.
@labcat647
@labcat647 Год назад
Very good information BUT really hard to follow which car you are talking about throughout.
@nineradvocate
@nineradvocate Год назад
Better comparison would be Forrester vs CX-50.
@oldatarigamer
@oldatarigamer Год назад
Very tough decisions which I have made recently. This comparison is spot on. I had a 2012 Subaru and had head gasket issues with very low miles. That left a bad taste in my mouth. Seats, visibility, AWD, room/storage all in Forester's favor. In the CX-5's favor is Mazda's reliability in my experience (I also have a Miata), engine, and styling. As far as handling, I think they are both pretty good. I wound up getting the CX-5 turbo and the MPG I get is 18 MPG in around town driving. I still go back and forth whether I made the right decision.
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
With both of these, they’re so good at their intended purposes that you’d likely have second thoughts no matter which one you picked up. Congrats on your cx-5!
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
I can understand about the head gasket problems but Subaru has fixed that problem. I too have owned a Miata. In fact my wife and I would like to buy another one for summer weekend trips. I looked at the CX-5 and the Forester. I HATE 1990 Grey or black interior and the only way to get a CX-5 with tan / brown interior was to get the turbo and I wanted a naturally aspirated engine. I also had to look at the interior volume and ground clearance as we get 5-6 feet of snow every winter. Last year I bought my wife an Outback and was blown away by the year around traction. Last December (2022), I decided on a Forester Touring. I hope you’re happy with your CX-5 and that it’ll give you many trouble free miles. Enjoy your day !
@oldatarigamer
@oldatarigamer Год назад
@@Doc1855 If you're going to be driving in snow, IMHO Subaru AWD is exceptional.
@PerroneFord
@PerroneFord Год назад
Subaru was SO stupid to cheap out and go with that stupid composite head gasket. Even more than a decade after they fixed the problem people still don't trust them. People have LONG memories when they get bit by something like that. :(
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
@@PerroneFord So true. My wife and I Love our Outback and our Forester.
@YourADeck1
@YourADeck1 5 месяцев назад
🎉🎉 thank you for the informative video!
@kurtgrundel4045
@kurtgrundel4045 Год назад
Had to buy a Forrester because it was the only car my father-in - law could get through the front door. He complained about getting through the front door on the Mazda. He died just about he time the wart was up. Within days I ordered a new CX5. My ass didn’t like Forrester’s hard flat seats. Subaru could never make my iPhone work. It became a joke watching for the shade of trees or overpass because eyesight would slam on the breaks. My wife would always joke of the rubber band snap of the CVT. I detest the screaming noise. Most all the lights burned out during ownership. The cheap plastic around the doors cracked. After having an Indiana built Subaru I was hoping for better quality coming from Japan. Still never figured out what the ticking noise coming from the front on left turns was but it is all gone with my red Mazda. I appreciate the Mazda’s mpg as it does 2 mpg better than the Forester and I’m driving a turbo CX5.
@jeffdobie9070
@jeffdobie9070 Год назад
i would love to see a crv subaru comparo done like this. great video
@sbalak
@sbalak Год назад
CX5 no contest. Better transmission and engine. Great interior and handling.
@firefly9838
@firefly9838 Год назад
I could be wrong but aren't they both 2.5L 4 Cylinders?
@carolbaetz4641
@carolbaetz4641 Год назад
CX5
@marvelustravis
@marvelustravis Год назад
I love my cx30 it's 2years now... but i ordered the new cx5 here in japan sport appearance to be specific... ❤❤❤❤
@johnrobinson9974
@johnrobinson9974 Год назад
I prefer steering feel and response more than uneven road dampening. I also like the upscale feel of the CX-5 with it's great styling and fit 'n' finish build quality. I am not 6' 3" and drive it from the front seat - I don't have many passengers in the back and none come close to 6' so legroom isn't an issue. I like the knob controlled infotainment system. I am a long-time BMW owner having had (3) 328ix from 2011 to 2014 and this is straight out of BMW design - that's how their system works so it suits me to a T. I have driven Mazda 3 (wife's car) and the CX-50 which came out after my Turbo CX-30. If I needed more room I'd go with the CX-5 and would have gone with the CX-50 instead of the CX-30, but it wasn't available. I have also owned 2 Subaru Legacies and they were comfortable, but deadening in the driving. Great cars that would put me to sleep on long drives - they are the opposite of "fun" cars but great when I had to drive my mom to and from Drs - but the CTV transmissions are straight-up awful in my opinion, from a mechanical view of the technology to the day-to-day blandness of it. I felt like I was driving my grampa's Grenada - but I did think they were comfortable and quiet. I've also driven my friend's Forrester, and design-wise they are boring to look at and with the CVT, they are still deadening dreadful to drive - never know what the wheels are doing, too much travel off center needing correction - but they did do a better job of isolating you over rough roads. That would be my only positive about the Subarus - they isolate you better from the road.
@rossbuchanan3016
@rossbuchanan3016 4 месяца назад
Cx5 every day!
@hermanfyfer5990
@hermanfyfer5990 Год назад
CX 5
@dancheb
@dancheb Год назад
All the Mazda wonderful features are negated by the seats that very Very uncomfortable being too firm. This is how Mazda probably turned the car to make it appear more "sporty" in harmony with suspension turning having to be less stiff.
@chrislim7976
@chrislim7976 Год назад
Mazda is a nice city SUV but once bad weather or road conditions appear you're going to take a Subaru. The tall wagon is frumpy look but from the inside, the visibility, comfort and airiness of the Forester interior is amazing.
@ObiWann90
@ObiWann90 5 месяцев назад
Mazda is always the answer.
@markjackson3273
@markjackson3273 2 месяца назад
Nope
@TecnoGurus
@TecnoGurus Год назад
Forester: Real men car. CX5: Cute but small, lower roof.
@andrewf5390
@andrewf5390 4 месяца назад
Great comparison
@roamaroundgisg7362
@roamaroundgisg7362 Год назад
Nice review sir.
@craigo2142
@craigo2142 8 месяцев назад
Decision would be much easier if one of them offered a hybrid version.
@davidviner5783
@davidviner5783 11 месяцев назад
Very nicely presented.
@nasnur71
@nasnur71 Год назад
Forester!!!
@Scorpion-king-c8q
@Scorpion-king-c8q 9 месяцев назад
The difference CVT vs six speed, my pick is 6 speed, we have crosstrek 2.5 and going to 2024 cx5. Way better interior of cx5 and 6 speed transmission, all Subarus burn oil like no one else 6k on synthetic oil is what they want and tire rotation every oil change be aware that leaks $150 every six months.
@mikeromano8140
@mikeromano8140 9 месяцев назад
You can tell he likes the forrester more throughout. I could feel the bias.
@yaneznayu9997
@yaneznayu9997 6 месяцев назад
I felt just the opposite. His voice got "caressing" when talking about the Mazda performance but very flat when ceding ground to the Subaru. Clearly an infomercial for Mazda.
@lorenschwiderski
@lorenschwiderski 4 месяца назад
CX-5 -- you'll notice those A pillars.
@benjaminjwilson6694
@benjaminjwilson6694 Год назад
"unless you have needy backseat goblins." That's a new one.
@hermanfyfer5990
@hermanfyfer5990 Год назад
I own a Cx30 and is fantastic.
@eskieman3948
@eskieman3948 Год назад
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@nildadel9795
@nildadel9795 Год назад
Is cramped . Very small cabin
@cynicaljohn3198
@cynicaljohn3198 11 месяцев назад
Easy decision. Forester uses the H4. Unless Subaru implements a dry sump solution to their consumer level market as standard, I will never purchase a Subaru.
@mikespencer3824
@mikespencer3824 11 месяцев назад
How tall are you? Which is better in a winter setting?
@mrvlsmrv
@mrvlsmrv 9 месяцев назад
This seemed like a strange comparison. Each car does certain things well. It depends on what you want in your SUV.
@Realistick
@Realistick 9 месяцев назад
Kind of the point of a comparison, figure out the details of each car’s strengths and weaknesses to help people come to their own conclusions
@mrvlsmrv
@mrvlsmrv 9 месяцев назад
@Realistick I thought there was quite a difference in interior size. There really isn't much difference except the passenger cabin is roomier in the Forester. I like that and the smooth quiet ride. I was trying to look at the cx-30. But they didn't even have one on the lot. I don't think there were any CX5's either. So I guess it's a closer comparison than I at 1st thought. Anyway I had a Mazda 626 coupe like 40 years ago. Great car. I'm retired now and don't really zoom zoom anymore.
@haroldjanser8361
@haroldjanser8361 Год назад
Massive CX5 FAN. It's like BMW Better Value
@4orrcountry
@4orrcountry 8 месяцев назад
Today's BMWs are a joke. You're paying for a logo. "Bring Money Weekly"...
@jj5515
@jj5515 Год назад
I would go with Cx5, if there was legroom lol
@potatoesofdefiance
@potatoesofdefiance Год назад
Great comparison video. Thank you so much for detailed insights into two of the most sought after vehicles in this segment, which is packed with so many worthy competitors. Adore CX-5's city-centric design and no-nonsense approach to overall ride quality and handling, though Subaru is a clear winner if you are looking at a car that you can take out with equal measure of confidence on as well as off road.
@deshanchathura
@deshanchathura Год назад
How is Forester’s CVT long term reliability?
@eskieman3948
@eskieman3948 Год назад
Doing fine, but you already knew that, right?
@bookworm721
@bookworm721 Год назад
My wife has a 2018 bought new that she just hit 72,000 miles on. Knock on wood, no issues. I'm trying to decide between the CX-5 or a Forester myself.
@rafalpgresiak629
@rafalpgresiak629 Год назад
Love my Mazda
@calvinkuhn3168
@calvinkuhn3168 6 месяцев назад
We've owned both a CX-5 and a Forester. These SUVs don't really compare if you are going farther than the grocery store. I like the exterior design of the Mazda, but that's where it ends. You can comfortably haul 4 adults in the Subie, it is quieter, just as quick, and gives up nothing to the Mazda. Subie for us...thanks for the review!
@iwirt6347
@iwirt6347 Год назад
looks good or solid
@paulholterhaus7084
@paulholterhaus7084 Год назад
I've had both........Mazda overall builds a better overall car.......AND one thing NO ONE mentions.......Mazda's have about double the low rpm torque...below 1500---2000 Rpm.........So You can drive forever in this rpm range if You are not heavy footed........Making the Mazda almost noiseless...........I can climb a 10% Grade north of My house at 1500 rpm......Subie needs 2500..........I will agree with Others, tho, that if I lived in a Town filled with potholes I would take the Subie..........Mazda's are firm...................Paul
@dianejohnson3857
@dianejohnson3857 Год назад
I had a Subaru Outback 2008 which got totaled in an accident not my fault 😮 I replaced it with a Mazda CX-5 which I absolutely love ❤️ Luxury and so fun to drive!
@hiyahandsome
@hiyahandsome Год назад
Really like the way you thoroughly describe each vehicle then recap the plusses and minuses at the end. I admire the sleek Mazda but the proportions and competence of the Forester appeal to me more, plus the fact that NW CT where I drive a lot, sadly has many crappy roads like those in Indiana. Until the roads improve, my vote is for the Forester. Cheers~
@AlaskaErik
@AlaskaErik Год назад
I already made my choice. I bought a 2022 Forester Wilderness. I'm 6' 2", so I like the taller seating arrangement. I also find it to be more utilitarian, as I drive it on back country roads. I definitely don't like the iPad infotainment screen in the Mazda. I just hit 8000 miles in my Forester and I'm very happy with my choice.
@musket1122
@musket1122 Год назад
Are you still enjoying driving it? I'm looking into getting the Sport trim and everything about it checks my boxes for a SUV but the only thing that stood out to me from this video were his comments on the Forester not blowing him away on driving appeal.
@AlaskaErik
@AlaskaErik Год назад
@@musket1122 A year and a half after getting it and I still really like it. No regrets whatsoever.
@cormaro13
@cormaro13 Год назад
You must like getting less features for the same price lol you lost hud and adaptive cruise control , now you can enjoy knowing that subaru not making past the 100k without a reseal process and the whole engine has to come out for that Enjoy that trash lol
@AlaskaErik
@AlaskaErik Год назад
@@cormaro13 All new Foresters come with adaptive cruise control. As for HUD, it's a car, not a fighter aircraft. The head gasket problem was fixed years ago. You're obviously overcompensating for something if you denigrate Subarus when you know hardly anything about them.
@cormaro13
@cormaro13 Год назад
@@AlaskaErik nah just know who's the better brand and why most people switch to mazda from it lol , when the whole engine is made of rtv silicone there a problem lol then needing to take the engine out before 100k is sad lol And hud has been around for a decade they need to get with the times , it's just a extra feature to stop looking down so often lol
@brianmontgomery2779
@brianmontgomery2779 Год назад
Great review, I really enjoy your balanced approach in all your videos, except for one thing I’ve noticed in almost all your Subaru reviews…2012 was the last year for the engine family (EJ25) that had head gasket issues for Subaru so I don’t think it’s relevant to keep mentioning that in regards to reliability in every Subaru review you do
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
Thanks, you're right that it was the last year they had big issues with it, which is why I say that it is a past issue but the design itself is still something that is more susceptible to that kind of failure than a standard inline 4. If I say the headgasket issue is over or not relevant enough to mention, there will be a ton of subie people (and haters) that will point that out.
@davidingram5965
@davidingram5965 Год назад
Earlier Forester had CVT problem and I lost confidence in the car. Bought a CX-5 and the transmission is smooth plus the car rides and handles very nicely.
@firefly9838
@firefly9838 Год назад
After 2017 I believe they fixed it.
@CapInYoAss035
@CapInYoAss035 Месяц назад
That's bad thing about subaru. They ditched the traditional transmission, and went CVT. Good thing about Mazda is they're still using the traditional auto trans. But, subaru still makes good cars.
@TechyGamer
@TechyGamer 9 месяцев назад
Not a Forester, but I got a Outback last May after planning to get a CX-5. On the test drive, the Outback was the easier car, felt smooth, basic, great visibility, lots of room. I always explained it as the CX-5 being what I wanted and the Outback being what I needed (for my lifestyle). After doing more research over the past many months I wish I got the CX-5. Everything I've read has led me to believe that the Outback has lots of small maintenance issues whereas the CX-5 tends to go a while with nothing but fluid changes. After my Nissan Rogue, I swore to never get another CVT but here I am. The speakers in the Outback are subpar, and I have grown to dislike the big screen. Not to mention the amount of rattles that appeared. I miss physical buttons. Contemplating trading to a CX-5 but that is easier said than done obviously. Both great cars but for what I am going for the CX-5 now seems like a better option.
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
We hv always fancied something that we dont hv, right?
@pilotdog68
@pilotdog68 2 месяца назад
After watching so many reviews I was convinced that I was going to buy a CX-5 no question. But after driving one I found the driving dynamics unremarkable. The Forester actually felt a lot more fun and tossable. I was still considering the CX-5 just because the build quality and cabin is impeccable. But ultimately I had to rule out the Mazda when I tried the kids car seats in the back. It's just too small. Now I'm down to CR-V and Forester
@DiaperGranny11
@DiaperGranny11 Месяц назад
@@pilotdog68I found the CX 5 exhilarating. I drove a forester afterwards and while it didn’t have the same wow factor, the CVT was smooth, and it definitely felt more like I could whip it around noreb
@tomaskroupakkfoto4132
@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 4 дня назад
Yep, Subaru have mainly great chasis and awd system. Rest is garbage. CTV is pain, engine is shit. Oil leaks from all oil filled parts...But until it´s on road, it´s good.
@tomaskroupakkfoto4132
@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 4 дня назад
@@pilotdog68 I do not get it, because Forester is smidge bigger that CX-5
@janoycresnova9156
@janoycresnova9156 Год назад
Forester - if you live where roads are bad and/or constantly need to lug lots of stuff/people around. CX-5 - for everything else.
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
I agree. We live 5 miles from the closest town and 30 miles away from a small city. We also get 5-6 feet of snow every winter, so the ground clearance and the superior traction in the Subaru was a major selling point for us. My wife loves her Outback and I love my Forester. Our 120# chocolate lab loves both of our Subie’s for the dog (cargo) capacity 😁
@garystar1592
@garystar1592 Год назад
Subaru Forester hands down!
@jimbon88
@jimbon88 Год назад
We have a CX-30 and love it. We have owned Audis and the quality of the Mazda interior is close to being on par with them. The Mazda has a German car practicality that I like. The simpleness of the engine and all-wheel drive design is a plus for longevity. The styling isn't like the boring cars in this class and the classic Mazda zoom-zoom handling much like German vehicles beats the other offerings. And when was the last time you needed fog lights anyway?? It's rude and illegal to use fog lights at all times for merely driving in the dark. And CVT? Come on man! Car people don't drive CVT's. But the best selling point is NO STOP/START. I passed on every model with that annoying feature. In my opinion, the Mazda is a driver's car. Enjoy!
@Jcruzer70
@Jcruzer70 Год назад
Most cars can disable the start/stop feature. Shouldn't be a deal breaker at all.
@jimbon88
@jimbon88 Год назад
@@Jcruzer70 Most cars where? In my experience the salesperson told me "No" or gave me a blank stare when asked about disabling the stop/start feature. There may be internet work arounds for some of them, but not all. A lot of people don't want to go the "work around" route.
@Jcruzer70
@Jcruzer70 Год назад
I researched about 20 cars before I decided on mine(Bronco Sport) Mostly compact and mid size SUV's/CUV's. Can't recall one that didn't have that disable button. Again, if that is really a deal breaker, then you win.
@FeedThatAddiction
@FeedThatAddiction Год назад
Does your CX-30 have the cylinder deactivation feature? I know Chevy Silverado's were notorious for having engine issues due to that feature? I'm afraid to buy a car with it.
@jimbon88
@jimbon88 Год назад
@@FeedThatAddiction No. The CX-30 has no such cylinder deactivation technology. I would not buy it if it had that kind of technology on it. Something else that can break.
@paulmccoy6431
@paulmccoy6431 Год назад
Your word choice and structure for these reviews is amazing man. Sometimes I watch these comparisons for fun and even as someone not looking I have no idea what the winner or the true pros and cons are.
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
Thanks, they take a lot of effort and editing takes forever as I truly am quite scatterbrained, so I appreciate you noticing!
@robertd9850
@robertd9850 Год назад
Yep. "Darty" steering, "tattered" road. Perfect descriptions.
@pingpongballz5998
@pingpongballz5998 Год назад
I traded in my 2016 Subaru Crosstrek. It was the biggest piece of shit I have ever owned. One problem after another. I now have a 2023 CX-5. And I love it. Going from a CVT to a standard 6 speed is like God coming down from the heavens.
@michaelschaefer3124
@michaelschaefer3124 Год назад
Should I eat a banana or an apple? That’s kind of like the choice between these two very different vehicles. They really don’t compete in the same arena or attract the same buyer.
@joepowell7025
@joepowell7025 Год назад
I've never had an issue with the gears on the Mazda neither have any other car testers for that matter... In fact, they praise the 6 speed regular transmission as one of the best !
@consciousawakening4799
@consciousawakening4799 Год назад
Savagegeese has repeatedly stated that Mazdas 6 speed is the best mainstream (non-luxury) automatic transmission. You might want to check his channel out.
@joepowell7025
@joepowell7025 Год назад
@@consciousawakening4799 thank you i shall.
@jeffmorse645
@jeffmorse645 Год назад
Great review. Yeah, Subaru seats are really good. I bought a '21 Legacy just for that reason (nappa leather, pull out thigh extension). I've had a few loaners while the dealer has chased rattles (Crosstrek, Outback) and even their low spec cloth seats were better than average. Plus the ride quality on every current Subaru I've driven has been very good. I haven't driven a CX-5, but I have read a number of reviews and forum posts saying its seats and ride quality could be better (although its quiet). I couldn't pick without an hour or two with each. I will say after a low mileage oil pan leak on my turbo Legacy the reliable powertrain in the Mazda would be a big draw.
@Sazonman
@Sazonman Год назад
Mazda is the only way to go, no CVT... Zoom zoom😂😂
@subiesojourner777
@subiesojourner777 Год назад
I've driven both, along with the Toyota RAV4 , Honda CRV and Volkswagen Tiguan. After much debating with myself I've landed on buying the Subaru Forester Wilderness. For me, I don't want a turbo, the 2.5 NA engine is just fine. Now I'll wait to see what the 2024 will offer. If it has that big honkin screen like the Outback, then I'll go with the 2023.
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
Mazda fanboys wont be pleased to hear you picked the subarus over their glorified cars. Lol
@DiaperGranny11
@DiaperGranny11 Месяц назад
What did you decide?
@subiesojourner777
@subiesojourner777 Месяц назад
@@DiaperGranny11 In January I bought a 2024 autumn green Forester Wilderness. I've got just over 5k miles so far not one issue.
@usernamechecksout
@usernamechecksout Год назад
I did tons of research before buying my car. The list of cars I looked at is pretty long: Kia Sportage, Toyota RAV4, Hyundai Tucson, VW Tiguan, Skoda Karoq & Kodiaq, Mazda CX-5, Subaru Forester & Outback, Honda CR-V, Suzuki S-Cross, Ford Kuga/Escape, Nissan Qashqai, Mitsubishi Outlander, Range Rover Evoque, Dacia Duster. They all got compared on performance, driving, space, finishing, maintenance and price, of course. All were 2023 or 2022 models given I did this beginning of the year so. not all 2023 models were out yet, like the new CR-V or Outlander. Price played a part mainly because I paid cash for it as I didn't want another monthly payment on top of the mortgage and various insurances - LOL! But overall it was down to how I felt when driving it, how I felt (hope you didn't think this was going to be the most objective post) about the brand and maintenance - as I didn't want to buy a car and spend more time servicing it than on the road. So the RR and Ford were discounted from the start. 🙂 Nissan started having a dodgy reputation in terms of reliability so I skipped it as well. Suzuki are too expensive for what they offer. Toyota was the obvious choice but even though it's the class leader I don't like the design, both interior or exterior. To each their own, I say. Hyundai was among those I favored but the new designs (from Kia as well) are quite sketchy and on looks alone I skipped them. CR-V was nice but something didn't click, and just like with Suzuki, it felt it cost more than what it offered. To cut things short, it came down to these two - Forester and CX-5. And if I was a super practical guy that would spend lots of time off-road then I would've gotten the Forester. But 90% of the driving I'll do will be on paved roads. And the CX-5 felt more like a sedan when driving it. Plus, the trim level I got (Homura) has the same features as my buddy's Audi Q5 - only he paid double for it! So, if you're looking to haul stuff on a regular basis then maybe the CX-5 ain't the best. But if you want to have a car that you'll love driving around, that has a great entertainment system (Bose), is packed full of sensors and has top safety marks then the CX-5 is the car you should go for! Plus, where I live, the Forester is only available with a 2.0L 150HP engine which I believe is underpowered for such a car. Not to mention the CVT. Why, Subaru, why? Let me know your thoughts - has anyone else do such research before getting their car?
@toteu3426
@toteu3426 8 месяцев назад
I arrived at the same conclusions as you for, just as manybothers. Why cvt ? It is cheaper to make and improves a little of gas mileage to comply with killer european regulations.
@johnmccarthy727
@johnmccarthy727 8 месяцев назад
@@toteu3426 thanks for cutting it short 🤣😆
@resortes14
@resortes14 6 месяцев назад
@usernamechecksout I’m between the Kodiaq and the CX-5. What moved you away from the Skoda?
@tuan056585
@tuan056585 3 месяца назад
I did same research like you did and bought a 4 yrs old 2020 Forester Touring. BTW, it's 2.5L engine 182hp, not 2.0L 150hp. I like Mazda too, but don't like the look especially interior (not mean quality, but the layout).
@DiaperGranny11
@DiaperGranny11 Месяц назад
I’m in the midst of this. I currently drive a 2010 Escape and just dumped an over 2k into her (AC, control arms, tires, and alignment). Resale has tanked and I want something better on gas. My list includes: Outlander ,Forester, CX5, CX50, (maybe three row): Ascent, Santa Fe, maybe CRV. I test drove a 2023 Escape, 2021 CX5 Touring, and 2018 Forester Premium. The Escape has some fun little tech perks with low mileage but every time I heard the turbo hiss I felt like it was a ticking time bomb for repairs down the road. Rode nice but something felt off about it. CX5 was thrilling and different and was so much fun (non turbo). Forester was just pleasant. It has enough pep, was very airy, and felt more roomy than the Mazda. Mazda seems to have less overall issues. Subarus seem great and the CVT was smooth but I worry about one particular engine part that could possibly melt/fail destroying the entire engine. Sorry and thank you for coming to my ted talk. Planning on testing the Outlander and CX50 next
@scottlathrop66
@scottlathrop66 10 месяцев назад
The Subaru engine is garbage. I have a friend who is a Subaru mechanic and is quite well off because he has plenty of Subaru engines to repair.
@WEdway33
@WEdway33 Год назад
Forrester hands down..
@shauntakata1762
@shauntakata1762 Год назад
Also the steering headlights are great going around curves in the dark.
@ltypd
@ltypd Год назад
IMHO there is no more beautiful color than Mazda's Soul Red Crystal Metallic
@vicp8772
@vicp8772 Месяц назад
A $1000 option? But looks amazing
@ltypd
@ltypd Месяц назад
@@vicp8772 actually, it is a $595 option, well worth it!
@vimalvinodan636
@vimalvinodan636 Год назад
I picked Mazda CX-5 after test driving both Forester and CX5. I just felt more connected to the road and the interior feels much more premium. Subaru has to work on its busy interior layout. In addition, the adaptive cruise control, Heads up display and the Tech in general on Mazda CX-5 felt superior.
@vimalvinodan636
@vimalvinodan636 Год назад
@@layne4376It was an easy choice for me as 99% of my driving is on Roads. I love the handling of Mazda on Roads for its money. It was very close to my Audi which costs double the price.
@Pogey_Bait
@Pogey_Bait Год назад
Lower center of gravity of the boxer engine handles much better around curves. Also hope you don't live in an area where it snows and they salt the roads, as your Mazda will start rusting very quickly.@@vimalvinodan636
@nicksrandomviews1296
@nicksrandomviews1296 Год назад
I had a 2018 outback and around 80k miles the cvt transmission started to get a little sloppy and doing some really weird things especially on acceleration from a stop. I traded it in 2021 on a new mazda cx5 and I love it. The handling is way better and just overall a better class of vehicle and just has a much better feeling of quality.
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
The fluid in any transmission should be replaced at 30K miles. I change the front and rear differential, transfer case and transmission flush every 30K miles and have never had any problems with them. I do this on all 3 of our vehicles. I also have the oil changed every 4K miles with Kirkland full synthetic oil. We drive our vehicles until they reach 250-300K miles and they’re still in good condition when we sell them.
@falee2959
@falee2959 Год назад
you say 4k miles, is 4000 miles.?
@nicksrandomviews1296
@nicksrandomviews1296 Год назад
I changed the transmission fluid in it every 40k miles and always change the oil with full synthetic every 4k miles and changed the front and rear diffs at 50k. In the 2018 subarus they extended the warranty to 100k miles on the transmission because they knew they had issues. The transmission in them is about 7k bucks because it's a cvt. I've been a mechanic for over 20 years now so I know what I'm doing.
@falee2959
@falee2959 Год назад
@@nicksrandomviews1296 thanks a lot,I had a Subaru Forester now,feel boring considering trade in Mazda cx 5 premium plus 2023 any advice? thank you
@nicksrandomviews1296
@nicksrandomviews1296 Год назад
@Fa Lee your not going to go wrong with a newer cx-5 since they got away from Ford their quality has been top notch mutch like Toyota but definitely use a good full synthetic oil every 4k miles and do a drain and fill on the transmission every 40k miles and get the differential fluids changed about every 50k miles and you will have a very reliable vehicle for well over 200k miles. If you have any other questions just ask.
@ericchin739
@ericchin739 Год назад
Subaru wins every time. It's a Subaru.
@rockino24
@rockino24 Год назад
I had to go with Cx-5 GT (Ontario). Did a test ride on the Premium Forester but felt lacking few things. Besides, I felt the Forester was a bit boring with the pickup maybe because of the CVT. One thing, I wanted to know further was why the wireless carplay is missing in the Cx5. The Pano roof & touchscreen are some other misses on the CX5.
@myefone1536
@myefone1536 9 месяцев назад
Wondering how you feel about what what you call the 'missing' touchscreen and pano roof now?. I bet you don't even care and it doesn't even matter. Mazda's info screen is much safer and quite intuitive and no one really uses a pano roof, they just like the idea of it. Is now wireless Android and carplay on 2024 model
@jasonburnette7075
@jasonburnette7075 4 месяца назад
I had a 24 Forester as a rental and I hated it. Bought a 24 CX-5 turbo a couple weeks ago, love it.
@IanSRutter
@IanSRutter Год назад
Nice review, until you mentioned the Subaru head gasket problems at 16:45. Here is a quick run down of those problems, which cars and when. 1999-2010 Forester 1999-2011 Impreza 2000-2009 Outback 2000-2009 Legacy 2003-2005 Baja For the CVT, as long as you regularly service the CVT, it will not give you problems. Don't go heavy 4WD mountain trekking, it's not designed for that. You will overheat the CVT and ruin it. Also, many people do make the mistake of Subaru's CVT problems with Nissan. Nissan's has real bad problems. Shame. Now, I'm talking from the perspective of living in Taiwan, and servicing over here is every 3,500 miles and for that, cars last. I've love Subaru, had a Legacy from 2009 until 2020 and nothing went wrong, Regularly services. Forester is great, also. Mazda, great and reliable also. Oil is cheap, engines are not. Look after the two of them and they will run happily for you.
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
You can also research people who have had hg issues after those years and how the design itself is more susceptible to that failure due to fluids pooling around the gasket while the engine is off (this doesn’t happen with an inline 4). As i said here, they fixed it but in the long run, there’s a higher chance you will have an issue with it than with most inline 4s. The old transmissions were faulty too (this is proven), that’s why they fixed it. Maintenance is hugely important too but I’m not going to ignore a car’s past if I were to buy one, so why would I ignore it when giving people a recommendation?
@IanSRutter
@IanSRutter Год назад
​@@Realistick I'm not saying ignore the past, but make sure you mention the dates they happened. If people knew the full extent of the number of cars Toyota recalls year-on-year, we would question their reliability. 2022 was a smallish year - 460,000 Toyota and Lexus vehicles recalled, but they are responsible for the largest recalls in history.
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
@@IanSRutter I did say that those happened in the past (in my other videos I even give the specific model years too but that is not 100 percent accurate). And I mention those too when I review those cars if it's something that actually caused people big problems. You can check Consumer Reports, carcomplaints.com, cars.com reviews, nhsta reports to see what I am talking about. Up until 2018, there were a fair amount of big issues, so if I don't bring them up, there's 203949443 dudes in the comment section trying to say it's a terrible car.
@IanSRutter
@IanSRutter Год назад
​@@Realistick Mate, this is the first video I have seen of yours. I'm talking from experience owning Subaru's and from friends, mostly farmers, who still on their 1st and 2nd generation Foresters, both here in the UK and in Australia. Like I pointed out, servicing is key, and the head gasket problem was a simple fix, changing the single layer gasket to a double layer gasket. Yes, should never have happened, but the fix was simple. I'd choose a Subaru over most other manufactures. Each to their own.
@dsteffler54
@dsteffler54 9 месяцев назад
@@IanSRutter Just quoting a figure is pretty meaningless.... you have to specify what the recalls were all about. Perfect example: I own a 2015 RAV4, that is being recalled for the battery base and brackets issue. The replacement batteries (12 V) that are available to the public are a tad smaller than the original, so they will move around when driving the car and not be totally secure. Consequently, Toyota has to change the base and brackets (at no charge) because of the change in battery size.... Is this even really Toyota's fault? I don't know, but they are willing to take care of the issue. In the meantime (as I wait for the parts) I have secured the battery with a single bungle cord! This matter is a world of difference from having catastrophic engine failure.
@fernandoacosta7513
@fernandoacosta7513 Год назад
I have owned a Forester 2022 for a year now.... great vehicle, very smooth ride and comfortable..... I have owned other Japanese brands as well, they are all top quality..... I find that the main difference with CX-5, Rav4 and CR-V is basically: 1) its AWD system (that is available in all trims and is really reliable), and 2) its ground clearence (highest in the market). For traveling and weekend trips is the best option in the market in my opinion. For daily driving in the city and traffic jams I use a Corolla (I very much prefer driving this car and not the Forester in the city, can't imagine riding the subbie in traffic jams, it seems to me that it's too much of car for it).
@davidlam5122
@davidlam5122 9 месяцев назад
The Mazda looks way better.
@4orrcountry
@4orrcountry 8 месяцев назад
Not from the inside looking out. Subaru driver visibility is unmatched, also a safety factor.
@POSS99
@POSS99 7 месяцев назад
​@@4orrcountryMost people buy their cars based on the exterior design and reliability factor. No one cares about visibility and subaru always rank low in consumer reports. Maybe that's why mazda sells more cars than subaru in North america.
@eskikindi
@eskikindi Год назад
If you're doing even light off-roading, there is no choice but the Forester, with its 1.5 inches of additional ground clearance.
@whoawoahh
@whoawoahh Год назад
What’s the advantage of automatic rain sensing wipers? Can someone explain, I’m genuinely curious. It just seems like something that will get messed up down the line and cause issues
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
you just leave it intermittent (you can adjust the sensitivity on the stalk usually) and then it adjusts as the rain picks up, stops, or you slow down. I had an old Mitsubishi with it and never ran into problems.
@Realistick
@Realistick Год назад
@TheTpanative "deactivated," lmao, bro you can just bump the stalk to off if you're going through a car wash.
@mofallsfan
@mofallsfan Год назад
I've had the feature on multiple vehicles. I find it mostly pointless. No matter which vehicle I've had, the feature never matches the control available through plain intermittent wipers.
@ccchhhrrriiisss100
@ccchhhrrriiisss100 Год назад
I had the benefit of driving a family member's Subaru Forester before driving a CX-5. The Forester felt like it wants to be a mid-trim Toyota Corolla Cross that could drive off-road. The Mazda CX-5 felt like it wants to be a Lexus RX AWD available for a lower price than the Toyota Corolla Cross.
@jonschisselman6640
@jonschisselman6640 Год назад
Great video. I own both (2022 Forester Sport and 2021 CX5 Grand Touring) and I think the video gets it 100% right: the Forester will have more universal appeal, but a driving enthusiast will strongly prefer a CX5. The CX5 is a joy to drive, but buyer beware, because the seats are brutal for me personally (really unforgiving bottom seat bolsters.) It's a beautiful car, and looks significantly more expensive next to the Forester, but when it comes to virtually everything utilitarian, the Forester wins out. The safety systems on the Forester are better and so is the gas mileage. The seats in the Forester are more comfortable, the backseat and cargo space are noticeably larger, and having a touch screen infotainment makes life a lot easier. And, yeah, it isn't as engaging as the CX5 to drive, but it is a still a joy thanks to the massive windows and great visibility. The cabin is so much lighter and more airy than the CX5 which is dark and drab by comparison. Personally, I find the Subaru a lot easier to live with everyday and much better car, by far, for a family. But if you're a single person or a driving enthusiast, it won't be a comparison and the CX5 will be the clear winner.
@keathy1960
@keathy1960 Год назад
CX 5 Deisel better choice
@bmetal2
@bmetal2 Год назад
you should also realize already, the lane keep assist in CX5 is a joke. It can not keep the lane!! Subaru's lane keep assist is great and it is a must for me for long highway commutes.
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
What makes the cx5 is more engaging car to drive? Boxer engine is more fun to drive than average in line engine configuration right? And given the low centre gravity nature makes the handling better and the symmetrical AWD offers huge grip ability. What do you think about it?
@mooreshady
@mooreshady 8 месяцев назад
😂 you are joking right. No way cx5 is not a family car
@kevinb2844
@kevinb2844 6 месяцев назад
thank you
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 Год назад
I compared the Toyota Venza, Rav, Mazda CX-5 and the Forester . All comparisons were the top of the line models. I loved the Venza but I couldn’t get it with Tan or Brown leather, as it only comes in 1990 Gloomy Grey or Boring Black interior colors. The Rav didn’t have the quality of fit and finish like that of my 11 Rav 4WD Limited. The CX-5 could only be had with the Tan interior with the turbo engine. I wanted a naturally aspirated engine for reliability. The Forester had much better visibility, comfort and cargo area over all the rest, as well as the most ground clearance. We live in the mountains and get 5-6 feet of snow every winter. Ultimately I chose the Forester Touring. It’s Bronze with Saddle Brown interior. The Subaru is much cheaper to insure than the others that I compared. The Venza was the most expensive to insure (an additional $1K per year). After selling my Rav and insuring my Forester, my yearly insurance premium dropped. Even though the Forester is peppy, I will miss the 269hp 3.5 V6 from my 11 Rav. But I Love the fuel economy from my Forester.
@dipin2
@dipin2 Год назад
❤️
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
Good call
@Dogs538
@Dogs538 Год назад
I rented a Forester from a rental agency...it drove great and would highly recommend it. Also, Consumer Reports hands down gives Subaru the highest safety records.
@cjchatta
@cjchatta Год назад
Not sure if you heard in his review, but the CX-5 actually tested safer than the Subie. :)
@boboiboy9350
@boboiboy9350 8 месяцев назад
@@cjchattahes talking about the consumer reports. Not based off review
@BlitzHack
@BlitzHack 11 месяцев назад
I have the 2023 CX5 Preferred and bought it because it has a non turbo engine and a regular transmission. I also love the fact that it does not have start stop feature. My last car had that and drove me nuts. There is a video on how complicated those start stop systems are and they don't even save any gas. By the way I really like this Mazda.
@rickj9615
@rickj9615 9 месяцев назад
I test drove a 2024 CX five premium non-turbo and I got news for everybody. They do have start stop in them now and I think cylinder deactivation… There’s clearly a little green light that says “Istop“ and there is a button to disable it, so CX fives now have this feature… at least on the model I drove
@BlitzHack
@BlitzHack 9 месяцев назад
I am glad I bought the 2023 model when I did. I hate that start stop pain in the rear. @@rickj9615
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